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special edition of "ac 360." tonight, we have one-on-one interviews with the four top candidates still in the race as breaking news is is unfolding. amy klobuchar and pete buttigieg are endorsing joe biden. klobuchar ending her presidential bid and we just learned that beto o'rourke also is endorsing biden. we're standing by for the -- texas. this comes on the eve of super tuesday. the biggest primary day yet. opening ten hours from now. it could narrow the field even more. the biggest one day pot of delegates needed to win. more than 1300 are at stake on super tuesday. that's about one-third of all the delegates up for grabs in all the contests this primary season. right now, senator sanders is ahead of biden. in the delegate race to date. warren way behind and buttigieg and klobuchar are out.
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just moments ago, buttigieg appeared with biden and confirmed his endorsement. >> when i ran for president, we made it clear that the whole idea was about rallying the country together to defeat donald trump and to win the era for the values we share. and that was always a goal that was much bigger than me becoming president and it is in the name of that very same goal that i'm delighted to endorse and support joe biden for president. >> now to our interview with bernie sanders. he is campaigning in the super tuesday state of minnesota. thanks for being with us. you just heard mayor buttigieg endorsing biden. klobuchar is expected to do the same as is beto o o'rourke. how does the consolidation of the moderate vote affect your plan of moving forward, especially since senator warren shows no signs of getting out? >> we have shown from day one taking on the establishment. whether it's the corporate
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establishment on wall street, the drug company, the insurance companies, the fossil fuel industry or the political establishment. let me be very clear, it is no surprise they do not want me to become president because our administration will transform this country to create an economy and a government that works for all of the people not just the 1%. it will not be the same old same old. but the other reason that i am running is to defeat donald trump. and the fact of the matter is if we want to defeat donald trump, we're going to need a campaign that has energy and excitement that can speak to working people, young people, people who have given up on the political establishment. all over the country. to defeat donald trump, we're going to have the highest voter turnout in the history of this country and i think our campaign is uniquely suited to be able to do that. >> president trump questioned like night the timing of
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buttigieg's withdrawal, tweeting in part this is the real beginning of the dems taking bernie out of play. no nomination again. he also tweeted this afternoon, quote, they are staging a coup against you. is he right? >> you know what, i really wish that the president of the united states, might kind of spend his time doing his job, maybe just maybe, he might want to worry about the coronavirus, he might want to worry about the stock market. he might worry about the 500,000 people in this country who are homeless or the massive level of income and wealth inequality that exists. so president trump, stay out of the democratic primary. why don't you do your job b for a change as president. stop lying. stop running a corrupt administration. pay attention to the american people, not just your own political aims. >> there's a lot of delegates as you know obviously that say tomorrow your campaign has dope a lot of outreach to african-american voters. in south carolina, you got 17%
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of the african-american vote. only 3 more percent than in 2016. do you have any reason to believe you're going to do better with african-american voters tomorrow than you did on saturday? >> look, absolutely. in fact all across this country, i think we're doing very well outside of south carolina. maybe mississippi. outside of the south, we're doing very, very well. in fact, some polls have us lead ing biden in terms of the african-american vote. what we are trying to do, anderson, is put together an unprecedented grass roots movement. it is a multigenerational, multiracial grass roots movement of millions of people who today are prepared to fight for economic justice, social justice, racial justice and environmental justice. and the reason we are doing as well as we are, taking on all of the superpacs and their negative
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advertising is because our agenda is speaking to the e needs of working families. let me tell you something. if we want to beat donald trump, i hope people will look at my record as opposed to donald, to joe biden's record. i'm in the midwest right now, which has suffered very, very heavily from the loss of many hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs because of disastrous trade agreements. i helped lead the opposition to trade agreements like nafta and pntr with china. joe biden supported those agreements. i helped lead the effort against the war in iraq. the worst foreign policy blunder in modern history. joe supported that war. i voted against the bankruptcy bill, which has harmed many working families. joe supported it. joe has been on the floor of the senate time and again talking about the need to cut social security.
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medicare, medicaid and veteran programs. i led the effort to prevent cuts to social security. in fact, we have to expand social security benefits. i think if we're talking about how we defeat donald trump, the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country, we're going to need a campaign who can speak to working beam a candidate who has a record, a consistent record, of standing with working people. >> senator warren is going after your record. she said quote, she called you a quote senator who has good idea, but his 30-year track record calls for things he fails to get done. never the less fails to stop. >> well, i would respectly fully disagree with her. four years ago, i talked about raising the minimum wage in this country to $15 an hour and you know what, i was able working with workers at amazon and
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disney, to get 400,000 american workers an increase in their minimum wage to at least 15 bucks an hour and now you've got seven states in this country that have raised their minimum wage to 15 bucks and hour and as president, we're going to do it nationally. i talked about making public colleges and universities free four years ago and now you've got states, cities, counties moving in that direction. four years ago, i talked about climate change being the great national security crisis facing this country. other people now understand it terms of my record, i helped pass along with john mccain, the most significant veterans bill passed in recent history. along with jim clyburn of south carolina, i put into the affordable care act $11 billion for community health centers which is now providing primary health care to nine million americans. working with conservative republicans. we managed for the first time to utilize the war powers act to
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get the united states of america out of the terrible war in yemen, which is one of the worst humanitarian disasters on earth right now. as a member of the house, i passed year after year, more amendments on the floor, roll call amendments, than any other member of the house, so i am proud of my record. we're going to run on that record, but most importantly, we need a new vision for america. a vision that tells the corporate elite and 1% that this country belongs to all of us not just the handful of billionaires. >> i want to talk more about that. we'll take a short break and be back with senator sanders. introducing schwab intelligent income. a simple, modern way to pay yourself from your portfolio. tell us how much you have, and how long you need it to last. we'll estimate how much you could spend. then you can decide how you'll spend it. schwab manages the complexity with automated, tax-smart withdrawals. that you can start, stop or adjust at any time with no penalties.
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>> no, i am what i am and what democratic socialism is about to me is understanding that we have in many ways, a socialist society today. but it is not dr. martin luther king jr. reminded us, we have socialism for the rich and rugged individualism and for the poor and other people. when donald trump was a private businessman, he received $800 million in breaks and subsidies. that's for the rich. when amazon doesn't pay a nickel in income, that's called socialism for the rich. when we give billions of tax breaks to the fossil fuel industry who's destroying our planet, calleded socialism for the rich. what i want to do is bring government programs to help working families. we are the only major on earth not to guarantee health care to
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all people as a human right and yet we're spending twice as much as do the people of other countries. we're the only major country not to have paid family and medical leave. we're giving tax breaks to billionaires when a half a million people are sleeping on the streets tonight, when we have a dysfunctional child system where underfunding for working class families and hundreds of bright young people can't afford to go to college and others are leaving school deeply in debt so to me, what i'm talking about is is getting our priorities right. no more tax breaks for billionaires, no more subsidies for the fossil fuel industry. let's pay attention to the working families of this country. health care is a human right. we need universal, affordable child care for all. we need to make sure that the united states is leading the world in the fight for against climate change so that we leave this planet in a healthy and habitable way for future general races.
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that's what this is about. government policy that works for the middle class, working class, low income people and not for just wealthy campaign contributors and by the way, while we're in it -- >> go ahead. >> while we're at it, let's look at what goes on in this campaign. joe biden has the support. the financial support of 60 billionaires. you really think that's going to be a campaign that brings about change? we have the financial support from almost two million working people in this country who have contributed to our campaign more contribution than any campaign in the history of american politics, averaging $18.50 apiece. i think we've got to beat trump. i think our campaign is best suited to do that because of our grass roots movement, because of in office, we've got to stand up for families, the working class and tell the billionaire class they can't continue to have it
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all. three people owning more wealth than the bottom half of the country. >> vice president biden says people aren't look for a revolution. he says they're looking for results and getting things done. >> well if you think it's a revolution, if biden thinks it's a revolution to do what every other major country on earth does and guarantee to all people -- >> he's using the word because i think you used it for you book. >> i understand what he's talking about. what i'm saying though is he thinks it's revolutionary to tell the pharmaceutical industry they can't charge us ten times more for the same drugs they sell in canada or europe. if he thinks it's revolutionary that we stand up to the fossil fuel industry to try to change our climate policy and protect this planet, i don't think that's revolutionary. i think that's exactly what the american people want and that is exactly what we have to do.
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you know, nelson mandela made a very profound statement once. he said everything seems impossible until it is done. all right. and i think that if we don't allow trump to divide us up by our race or where we came from or our sexual orientation, if we stand together around and agenda that works for all of us, we can bring sweeping changes to this country and give people faith in the government of the united states works for them and not just for wealthy campaign contributors. >> if you become the democratic nominee, will you insist your version of medicare for all is included in the democratic party platform voted on at the convention? >> absolutely. of course. look, this is so dysfunctional that it really is is pathetic. how do you spend twice as much per person on health care and have 87 million people uninsured, 30,000 people dying each year because they don't get to a doctor when they should. half a million people going
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bankrupt because of medically related debt. this is an absurd system. it enriches the drug companies. insurance companies are doing great. health care industry made $100 billion in profit last year so i don't think it's a revolutionary idea to awe do what every other major country on earth does. the function of health care is to provide quality care to all. ta a human right. not make the drug and insurance companies extremely rich. >> you mentioned president trump the coronavirus and his tweets. he tweeted today that democrats are fear mongering when it comes to the coronavirus. how do you respond to that? >> well, look. that trump would appoint mike pence as the head of the task force on the coronavirus just speaks to how far out of touch trump is with reality. or his disrespect for science. we need scientists running our
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response to the coronavirus not a politician like pence who barely believes in science at all. so i would hope very much that trump understands that a the coronavirus is a major, major threat not only to our country, but to the entire world. we've got to work with the international community. we've got to work with the world health organization. we have to adequately fund our hospitals, doctors, the nih, the cdc. despite what trump may think. trump is also the genius that told us that climate change is also a hoax. so what we need to do is have congress demand that we adequately fund our response that we work with the global community and that they have scientists running the program, not politicians who don't believe in science. >> just before i let you go. tomorrow, california, texas, two biggest prizes, do you think you'll win there? >> i never like to speculate. all i can tell you is that we have had a great, incredible
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group of thousands and thousands of volunteers in texas in california and all over this country. they're knocking on doors. they're making the phone calls. doing all of the things that you have to do to win. so we have worked really, really hard and i hope we do well. >> senator sanders, thanks very much for joining us u. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> going to have ali continue. what does it look like for sanders tomorrow? >> the race got real interesting real quick over the course of the last 48 hours, but one thing has been static. that's bernie sanders. you saw where he stands now with delegates. that's 60. take a look at this map. where you see states filled in are the four contests we've had. we're going to isolate on bernie sanders. this is where he stands going into tomorrow night. the biggest night of the primary up to this point. you see consistency. second place in iowa. first in new hampshire, first in nevada. second in south carolina. you see the organization, more
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than $16.7 million in 13 states. and why that matters is this. you just asked senator sanders about the two most important states of the night. texas and california. more than 400 degree gattis in california. more than 200 in texas and for the sanders' campaign, those are two huge contests for them. talk about california. very large latino vote, but major spin for bernie sanders. major organization for bernie sanders. talk about consistency, showing up in california for the sanders campaign. same in texas. competitive, but one the sanders campaign feels very good about. try and game this out to the extent we can. things are very, very fluid. we're going to play a little bit of delegate game. the key numbers are here. 1,999. what you need to have a majority of the delegates and get the democratic nomination. the other, 15%. you need 15% to be viable statewide and in a congressional districts in order to get delegates. say bernie sanders has a good night. a night where he does well in california. wins california, does well in
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texas, in the northeast. where would that kind of game him out? his sense of how many are at stake tomorrow night, that might get him to 584. it's 60 now. that's a good night. gets him to 584. what happens if say people like joe biden miss the 15% threshold in certain states and sanders just blows out in california, does very well in texas. now you're talking about a very big night. anderson, that could get him up to 700, perhaps 800 delegates. that's what the sanders campaign is eyeing. again, we're at the point now, throughout the polls, a lot of new candidates coming in and endorsing, a lot dropping out. sanders campaign feels good about tomorrow night and that could be where they end up. >> and we have pete buttigieg, amy klobuchar and beto o'rourke all endorsing bernie sanders, excuse me, joe biden, tonight. going to bring that to you shortly. my one-on-one interview with the former vice president is also ahead. stay with us. [sfx: doorbell]
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welcome back. we're standing by for a game changing event in the race. joe biden picking up u the endorsements of pete buttigieg, amy klobuchar and beto o'rourke. no coincidence this is happening in delegate rich texas, one of the top prizes in super tuesday, tomorrow. i spoke earlier with joe biden. you just heard from senator sanders. former vice president biden poised to get those new endorsements. i asked him if he's consolidating support. >> i think what it's going to be b about with me and bernie, i
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think people are looking for a revolution. i think they're looking for results and i think i'm going to be able to make the case and have been able to make it in south carolina and hopefully beyond, that i can produce results and the revolution he's talking about is you know spending $60 billion that i don't know where he gets the money and i don't see that as the answer. >> would there be a place in a biden administration for either mayor buttigieg or senator klobuchar? >> well, i think they're both qualified to do any job and i have no idea what their interests are, but i really hope that, i did speak to mayor buttigieg and yesterday i guess it was, time goes fast, and encouraged him when i heard he had suspended his campaign, to stay engaged. i didn't ask for his endorsement, but i did say that if he in fact had suspended his
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campaign, i hope he stays engaged. he has enormous talent. enormous talent. i think we have to bring along as he talks about and i believe him, the many generation of political leaders who have significant exposure nationally and there's a lot of things he could do in an administration if i'm the president. >> michael bloomberg spoke to cnn's don lemon about a you and i wanted to play just a bit of what he said. so you can respond. >> oh. >> with it. >> he is a legislature and the job requires a manager and executive and i feel very strongly. >> he was the vice president, obama thought he was ready. you don't think he's ready? >> obama thought he was ready for what? >> he was his vice president. ready to be president. that's the next job. >> i don't know. you'd have to talk to president obama about that. all i know is we keep putting legislators in the job that requires a manager. >> is he right? is this a job that requires a
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manager and are you manager? >> it requires somebody whose gotten things done. requires someone who understands how to bring people together. requires a democrat by the way to be a democratic president. and it requires someone who has a track record and the president handed me significant responsibility and presidential authority when i was the vice president. i'm the guy that managed the $900 billion recovery act. i got the votes for it and got it past and then managed it day-to-day. i did the same thing in a number of foreign policy issues. needs to something about foreign policy. i like mike, but he knows row zero about foreign policy. the next president day one has to be ready to stand up and command the world stage and unite this country. they have not been things, makes a good guy, but look, you can spend billions of dollars, a billion dollars, but you can't move away from what your record is. >> do you believe mike bloomberg is not a democrat?
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he's running now as a democrat. >> he's not a democrat. he hasn't been a democrat. and look, i think what the folks are looking for is someone who can produce things, who's ready on day one and is a democrat. i am an obama biden democrat. i've been a democrat all my life. never had any qualms or concerns about my views and i've stuck to it. it's all b about raising people up in a big way. it's not about making sure you're able to put together and i compliment mike. he put together a heck of a corporation but the way he dealt with the people allegedly in his corporation has not been at least not past vet yet and everybody's now looking at his record and what kind of record he has as mayor. i was one of the people who along with the president moved to see to it that the justice department said cease and desist
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from throwing people up against the wall. look. i don't want to get into criticizing mike. i think he's a decent guy but i don't think he is a democrat with a capital d. it's not where he's been. he has a different view on a whole range of things including the role of what built this country. this country was built by the middle class and unions built middle class. that's how i got there. it wasn't wall street. it was ordinary people given an exceptional opportunity. >> we have to take a quick break. when we come back, i want to talk to you about the coronavirus outbreak. we'll be right back.
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welcome back. you criticized president trump's response to the coronavirus crisis. what specific steps would president biden be taking that a current administration isn't? >> i would take steps we took when we dealt with ebola. i would not have disbanded the office within the white house that trump eliminated. i would not be in a position where i would have waited until now to try to figure out thousand get testing kits put in place. we knew back in january. i would have been u in a position where i would not have e vis rated the budget of the cdc. i'd let the scientists make the decisions. and look, this is where a president's credibility really matters. a president can in fact calm nerves that expose grave concerns. this president has gone so far out of the way that at one point
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a week or so saying this was a democratic hype or something. i mean he put in political terms. it's always about him. it's not about him. it's about other people. it's about the american people. it's about what's happening in the world and he hasn't listened to any of the experts that have been speaking. all that he's done hasn't been very helpful. >> have you been making plans in your own campaign for how the virus mikt affect the race? are you going to get large groups of people together, shaking hands? have you given any thought as to how this might affect the race? >> i have. we're listening to the cdc. my former chief of staff who's still helping me now st the guy who put together our ebola response. we have experts dealing with us. whatever the scientists suggest, that's how we'll conduct ourself. >> there have been prominent democrats who have been critical of your organization. terry mcauliffe, the same night reendorsed you, said that you would virtually no ground game
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in iowa. james clyburn said you needed to retool. i know you told jake tapper on sunday it's addition, not subtraction. you think the problem has been people just not enough people on the ground or is there something nor fundamental you're actually going to retool? >> well, we have already begun to retool. we've brought in other people who are in fact involved in other campaigns. we're building up the structure to be able to run a national campaign in a way. part of the problem was we got started very late. we did not have the resources other campaigns had but for example, just since the first of february to date, we've raised i think $33 million in the last 30 days. 31 days. so we're putting ourselves in a position. we have a new personnel. we brought new people in. and we're going to continue to do that. and add others as particularly people from other campaigns as
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they in fact fall off. there are some really fine people out there that are now coalesing and i think we're in good shape. >> this morning, eric trump said that his father would destroy you on the debate stage. i'm wondering what you would say to that. >> come on, mr. president. i can hardly wait. >> you're looking forward to it. >> i am looking forward to it. >> just lastly, you predicted you'd win south carolina. you did. any predictions about which states you'll win tomorrow night? >> i think we have a better chance in some than others. i think we'll do very well in virginia, north carolina. i think we'll do well in texas although it's a much bigger state and i haven't had the millions of dollars to put in the state in terms of advertise ing but i think we'll do well then you know, it's not just over at super tuesday. after that, there's florida. other big states.
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georgia. i think we'll do very well in both those places and i think we'll do very well in michigan and pennsylvania. so i think look, as i said from the beginning and i know people are tired of me saying it for the last six months, this is a marathon and i think we have some genuine momentum and i think the american people know me. know me pretty well and so i think the combination of the two is going to put me in good stead. >> on the eve of super tuesday, for folks who are undecided, what is your message to them? >> my message is people are not looking for revolution. they're looking for results. i have the most extensive successful record of getting big things done and big things passeded and a the next president of the united states on day one is going to have to stand before the world, know the leaders around the world and know they know him. put back together the significant allies we have had that are just, trump is just trashing.
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have a military commander who understands and supports our troops as well as reunite this country and i think there are things i've done my whole career. >> vice president biden, appreciate your time. thank you u. >> thank you, anderson. i appreciate it. >> phil is going to game out vice president biden's strategy as we did with senator sanders. >> start with the baseline. what a difference one blowout win in south carolina can make. that bringing him up to 53 delegates as it stands. we were talking about the delegate haul tomorrow that's able. 1,344 votes. take a look at what the baseline is for joe biden going into it and how much it has changed. fourth place in iowa. fifth in new hampshire. distant second place in nevada. south carolina, a huge victory. now the big question is will that overcome this. he mentioned it. not millions of dollars to spend in california, in texas. will the big endorsements, will the big boosts from south carolina carry over? one of the things the campaign
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is most certainly sitting on and the vice president addressed this is the demographic shift you see as you move into super tuesday. states that look like alabama. a lot like south carolina. virginia, talking about north carolina, north carolina. alabama. tennessee. and we move over to texas where you have places like dallas and houston. suburban areas where joe biden thinks he can do well in. so where does that actually leave him when you talk b about scenarios? want to move up here again. starting with 53. one of the big questions going into tomorrow night, particularly over the last couple of weeks, is would joe biden with able to hit that 15% mark in all contests. say he has a good night. a good night based on what happened in south carolina. that would probably get him up to 460 delegates. bernie sanders, if joe biden's around 460 with the other candidates going out would be a couple of hundred delegates ahead of him. it's attainable. it's a good night for joe biden. here's the question.
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if joe biden cleans up throughout the south like his campaign thinks he can, if he does very well, perhaps wins texas and hits the viability threshold not just in california but in places like kro, talking -- colorado. talking about a big night for joe biden. possibly into the 500 delegate range. again, not the equivalance lent of what what bernie sanders big night would be, but if you think about where joe biden was just four, five days ago to end up here at the end of super tuesday, that would be a very big night for joe biden. >> we'll see. thanks very much. we are waiting for the start of joe biden's rally in texas. where he's going to be getting endorsements of three former primary opponents. making a lot of news tonight. amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg and beto o'rourke. more our special coverage after a break. yah, it's just a cold. it's not just a cold if you have high blood pressure. most cold medicines may raise blood pressure. coricidin hbp is the... ...#1 brand that gives... powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure.
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! we're back with our live countdown to super tuesday. you're looking at pictures from joe biden's rally in texas as he's getting endorsements from
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amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg and beto o'rourke. on the left, you're looking at senator sanders' rally in minnesota on amy klobuchar's home turf. she's not there. she's in dallas. she is in dallas and we expect to see her on the stage with former vice president biden. earlier pete buttigieg endorsed him in dallas as well, and we expect beto o'rourke as well. joined now by the folks i'm endorsing. this is i've heard you call it i think the great consolidation. one night you have -- it's a lot of news for joe biden tonight. i mean is the best thing he could achieve on the eve of a super tuesday which is, you know, folks dropping out. >> i think this is has been been happening at a faster pace than the biden campaign could have wished for. you take this amazing week you had, the buildup in south
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carolina, the clyburn endorsement into a sweeping victory, into raising $11 million in 48 hours, into three of your competitors dropping out of your lane. you get the endorsements of two of them. you take that whole thing and say how do you convert that tomorrow when a third of the delegates are at stake? did the momentum happen in time to reach voters in such a way to make joe biden ultra competitive with bernie sanders tomorrow who had built up a lead in a lot of these super tuesday states? i think that's the question that hangs over tomorrow. >> do we know the answer? >> no. i don't think we know the answer to that. there are people who voted early in california. but as david has pointed out in the past, there are still a lot of people left to vote in california. and with buttigieg out there campaigning for joe biden, the generational issue may soften a little bit. amy klobuchar is a moderate. the thing that we were discussing, all of us, is that bernie sanders is a good
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campaigner and a great candidate, and he'll be out there too. and he can say, as he is doing, is that it's all of them against me, except for elizabeth warren. we don't know what happens with her. but he can make the case they're out to get me. and that also works for him too to a certain extent. >> david, he's never really stopped. he hasn't been campaigning, but he's never stopped going out there, talking to large crowds even when it was before he announced he was running, after he lost the last time. >> the thing that was conspicuous to me in those conversations with you is just how practiced bernie sanders is at delivering his message. and his message is very value-laden, very big. he talked about issues and he talked about causes and he talked about enlisting people into a cause. he didn't talk about himself. he didn't talk about the things that he had done, and, you know, biden's message, his message saturday night was spectacular when he talked about empathy and humanity and decency, qualities
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that people feel are sorely lacking in our politics today and that they identify with him. but when he gets into tactical arguments, he is less effective. i think that's why he got into a jam at the beginning of this race because it was all about who could beat trump. now it's all about who can be sanders. i think if he is going to get where he wants to go, he better infuse his rhetoric with something more meaningful to people. >> that was one of the things you said on saturday night after hearing biden's speech. you said extraordinary speech. does he have the discipline to carry that forward through all channels of communication. >> right. >> moving forward time after time after time. what do you think, nia, the impact of these endorsements is? >> i think in some states it could get him to 15%, because going in today before some of these endorsement, it wasn't clear if he was going get to 15% in some of these states. he doesn't look that great in california. maybe some of the shifting has helped. and just this sort of specter of
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momentum, the kind of everyone in formation, to use a beyonce phrase. that's what's happening. at least with the moderates lining up behind biden. so i think that's the hope. but listen, we talk about sanders. he is doing strong among latinos. that's going matter in state like california. it's going matter in a state like texas as well. and i think it's a show of his strength tonight that he is in minnesota, right? he has essentially run amy klobuchar out of this race in her home state. he's got that big crowd there and very will likely win that race. maybe you have a biden who is able to get 15% now that klobuchar is out of that race, but we'll see. the south is still a strong suit for joe biden. he'll do well with african american voters in states like alabama, tennessee, north carolina, and virginia and arkansas. and he's also doing well with white voters in southern states. so we'll see. i think the question is how far
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ahead could sanders be. >> exactly, tomorrow. is it 200? is it 300? because it's very likely he is going to be ahead. >> there is no definite number. there is no number. >> we were talking about that. >> david and i were talking about this earlier. we will know it when we see it whether or not sanders has formed an impenetrable lead. just to a point, we dug through the exit polls across the four early states to show where biden is strongest and weakest. we did this with many of the candidates. take a look. you will see 61% of african americans voted for joe biden in south carolina. that is his strong suit. so when nia is saying look for the african american vote across some of these southern states, that is joe biden's strongest card to play and what will actually deliver him probably the most delegates possible. that's his strong point. look at his weakest point across all of these exit polls, it's young voters. they make up varying sizes, maybe 17 to 20% in certain states, but do you see he is not even on this graphic? you have to go to the second page of this graphic from iowa, 17 to 29 years old to get to joe biden's 3% with the youth vote that is one of his weakest spots that he is going to have to do some work on if he is indeed
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going to have to -- >> and bloomberg, the interesting thing than, bloomberg is bad too with young voters. and the thing i think we'll all be looking for tomorrow night is where is bloomberg vis-a-vis joe biden, because if there is a large gap, this is what the biden campaign is telling me, if there is a large gap in biden's favor ahead of bloomberg, then bloomberg is going to have a tough decision to make. maybe it won't be tough, but he'll have a decision to make. after spending half a billion dollars, he may decide well, this is enough for me, and maybe i'll put some of my money in a super pac for joe biden. >> do you think these endorsements make a difference? it's not a james clyburn in south carolina endorsement. >> exactly. that was really unique. but it does create a sense of momentum. and what they're hoping for is that sense of momentum carries him forward.
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there are two things, as gloria mentioned. one of them does he finish well ahead of mike bloomberg and give bloomberg pause to think about whether he should still be in this race. and the second one is the one david mentioned. how close does he finish to bernie sanders. he has to be close enough so that this still look likes a horse race. i want to address this youth issue, because it's not that joe biden is an older person that causes him not to have this youth vote. look at bernie sanders is older than he is. these young people have a sense of mission about things like climate change, about income inequality, about social justice. >> can you start that sentence with "these kids today"? >> you get the point. >> and end it with "get off my lawn." you're right. it is not an age issue per se. coming up, our countdown to super tuesday continues. more candidate interviews. we'll go live to the joe biden rally in texas and the bernie sanders rally in minnesota. ♪
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