integrity and the highest journalistic standards. as a teenager i watched bobbie batista, dreamed of working in a place like cnn. she is remembered here with love and respect and our thoughts are with her family and her friends. thank you, bobbie, for all you did for this network. bobbie batista was 67 years old. and that's it for us. the news continues when i hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> the best thoughts to her family, anderson. thank you for that. i'm chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time." finally the cdc has green lighted more testing. now the question is how long is it going to take to get the full facts of what we're dealing with in this country? tonight we're going to show you the reality. someone in one of the epicenters of the outbreak. she's been sick after possible exposure. she's self-quarantined. she'll talk to her in her home about what she and her aging parents are up against. this is the real deal. in politics, what does biden's good fortune mean for bernie sanders?

we've got congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez here to argue the case. and did you hear the president just -- he just demanded action against senator chuck schumer for making almost exact comments that he has made about the supreme court. he says we must enforce civil society. trump should start with himself. there is a sickness spreading in our politics. this one has a cure. so what do you say? let's get after it. all right, coronavirus, let's keep you on the latest. 158 cases now in the united states. death toll 11. 10 in washington state alone, now another death recorded in california. worldwide this is a scary number, okay? the w.h.o. puts the mortality rate at 3.4%. i'm not sold on any of these numbers. why? the same reason in each instance. inadequate testing. start with the worldwide rate.

testing is very uneven in different countries. some places are showing only the worst cases that involve compromised and elderly folks, dying is more likely there just like the flu that we're dealing with her right now. other places like south korea, why do they have a fraction of the mortality rate? because maybe they're testing a lot more so you're seeing a different range of outcomes. all right? that's why we've been on the white house about slow walking testing. it's not about trump. forget trump. it's about the truth. you will know more about more cases. sure, you may get some false positives, so what? the case number is not the concern, that's politics, okay? we have 300,000 plus cases of flu right now and growing. are you worried about that? no. you see what i'm saying? the outcomes are what we worry about. you will see people overwhelmingly beat coronavirus. it's serious, but it's not something out of a movie. thankfully, the cdc broadened its guidelines for testing finally.

now anyone who has symptoms like real fever, real cough, difficulty breathing, you can go and get testing if a doctor agrees. the house just passed $8.3 billion in coronavirus response. that package should help preventing spreading once it gets approved. it goes to the senate, could be signed by the president by friday. let's see if they get it done. we'll stay on them if they don't. this should have happened a month ago. remember, this is not going to end tomorrow. the economy is going to feel effects, the markets are going to react to news like united airlines cutting flights because of a sharp drop in demand. you're going to see it. still, our focus has to be the best information. you must have it, okay? and we must make sure all is being done to get us through this asap. three very important people to do exactly that. dr. sanjay gupta, dr. zeke emanual and ron klain dealt with the public policy aspect of the ebola for president obama. gentlemen, thank you as always.

testing availability. they say we relaxed it, there will be more. what does that mean in reality of getting new numbers and dealing with the spread? >> well, i think the real answer is we'll see, because we're hearing a lot of claims so far. but what they're telling us, and i spent some time at the white house today with the vice president talking about this specifically, about a million and a half kits are going to go out at the federal level to all these various hospitals around the country. in addition, university hospitals and state hospitals should be able to start testing. and within time, some of the commercial labs, like quest, labs that you're more familiar with in your community the vice president told me should be able to start testing at some point as well so it's going to ramp up. i think it was an acknowledgement in some ways of what you and i have been talkind in the united states compared to thousands, tens of thousands around the world. they're acknowledging that. >> politics aside, let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

you know i don't buy it, i see politics all over this. but let's put it to the side. is it about capacity? can we not handle the cases? >> well, that's a good question. i think in terms of the testing, we can certainly get this testing out there. the question -- according to the modeling, and we have some data to show this, what happens if suddenly you get even a mild to moderate pandemic in this country? how many people are going to be in the hospital, how many people are going to get sick? we have some of those numbers. >> put them up. sanjay has the numbers. >> on the left the mild to moderate, on the right the very severe. look at the moderate, 200,000 people needing intensive care units. we have about 100,000 intensive care unit beds and zeke will comment on this i'm sure as well. they say about 70,000, 65,000, 70,000 people will need to be on breathing machines. that's exactly how many we have in the country right now and a lot of them are being used. hospitals in this country, chris, aren't built for having a lot of redundancy. >> there may be some challenges,

which is why i get a little suspicious about the numbers. i'd rather deal with the reality. so, zeke, help me out with this on this front with what we learned from the w.h.o. i don't want to falsely underestimate things. we're in the business of accurate information. but when you look at the testing distinctions among the countries, you know, i get why they went with that high rate. better safe than sorry. but you're only hearing in so many of these countries about the worst cases. that's going to give you a bogus denominator. even dr. anthony fauci keeps saying that to us. >> you have a degree in public health, obviously. >> no, but i stayed in a holiday inn express last night. >> that's exactly right, which is we don't know what the true denominator is and so reporting the death rate as high is probably inaccurate and most infectious disease experts think it's below 1, maybe about half a percent. that's still a very high number. i mean as sanjay has said in previous episodes, you take a

high number of people with infection, even if it's a low death rate, that gets you to a very high number that need medical attention and that could die. i think that is a scary number. let me just say i talked to someone in philadelphia where i work at the university of pennsylvania who tried to get a test because he had been in italy and people were -- you've been in italy, you shouldn't come in. he couldn't get the test today. i talked to an emergency room doctor in seattle. there were 300 tests available in kings county and they still haven't heard the word when they're going to be able to actually yuse their judgment to order a test and the test will be freely available. so i think the promise that the head of the fda made on monday that we'll have a million tests by the end of the week out there is certainly not being fulfilled. again, i think this is a point that i've made, that sanjay has made, that ron has made is, you know, we had time from january to today to get ready, to get the testing ready, to get our hospitals ramped up, to get surge capacity lined up and to

think about all the equipment we needed. it doesn't look like that was done and bad judgments were made by the cdc on which tests to use, restricting the actual people who could get tested and that has given us a false number, as you said. a false number of how many people have the virus and a false number of how many people died from it. >> right. look, obviously we're going to be focused on who dies, ron, that's just human nature. >> yeah. >> but when you learn that so many more are going home, i think there's a comfort effect in that. at least it gives the media the ability to report both numbers if they're acting in good faith. the good news about the delay is it's okay because it's all your fault. president trump came out and did what he did best and blame any problem he had on somebody else. obama, obama screwed it all up. i know that's not true. we've all done the homework, forget it. we're living where we're living right now. masks. we keep telling people, anthony fauci, everybody else, if you're

sick, you need a mask. if you're not sick, don't worry about the mask. it's not about making a policy judgment, it's about whether or not professionals have the equipment that they need because it's getting sold out. how real is that, ron? >> look, i think it's real and it's not just masks. we talked about tests, we talked about masks. it's also about equipment for hospital workers to be protected. you know, this disease -- one thing testing will do, will bring patients into the health care system. that means the doctors and nurses who treat them have to have protective gear. we have to have protective gear in hospitals all over the country because this is going to spread all over the country. we're going to have to have enough protective gear for all those doctors and nurses. the ability to take that gear on and off and all those things. this is a giant logistics challenge. testing is kind of the tip of the iceberg that we've seen. once we get people tested, it's not just a numbers game, chris, it's a question of then getting those people into treatment. once they get into treatment,

the numbers that sanjay put up earlier about 10% of them needing hospitalization. that's a lot of hospitalizations. that means we need a lot of resources and planning and erks ku execution in our hospitals. >> this was the number that sanjay was trying to conte contextualize for you. the nursing homes are a big concern. the person who's coming up next, this is how it started for her. she can't see her mom now and isn't getting good information. supposedly they are going to release new guidelines. what are they, and do you have confidence in this? >> the big thing is this recognition that, first of all, elderly people are obviously more at risk, much more at risk. if you look at some of the data coming out of italy, they say people who died, the median age was 80 years old. nursing homes where older people typically are. we've obviously seen what happened in washington state. put those two things together and they say we've got to focus on nursing homes.

what it's going to mean and i talked to some of the folks at the white house about this today, it's going to be harder to visit nursing homes. you may get screened if you want to visit somebody in a nursing home. you may get screened before you go into the nursing home, things like that, to try to keep people most at risk safe. and nursing homes are where they are. so that's an example of some of these policies that are going to change. the focus in nursing homes has long been on things like abuse and quality of care, which will remain, but the idea of infectious disease protocols within nursing homes is now going to move to the top of the list. they're going to really make sure that infectious disease protocols are followed to try to keep the coronavirus out. >> i'm okay with that. that's the smart thing to do. what i don't like is them not giving information to the people inside their facilities to the family that needs to know and can't get in there. as you've told us many times and anybody with elderly parents knows you've got to be their advocate. you want to shake hands and do all that stuff, be a little spare on it.

in deference to sanjay, instead of come on widen out, let them see that i'm doing it. you don't have to shake hands. >> did you say -- >> don't worry about what i said. sanjay gupta, zeke emmanuel and ron klain, thank you for giving us clarification. your minds and experience will help people keep a focus on what matters. thank you. god bless all of you for being with me tonight. now, everything they just talked about to you is playing out in washington. imagine how worried, how freaked you'd be if you got hit with coronavirus. be honest, even though everybody is telling you you'll be okay if you're not old and don't have an underlying condition. imagine if it was your family. now imagine if it's both. you're going to meet somebody in the home in quarantine dealing with the known and the unknown. what a situation playing out in washington. you'll see it firsthand, next. you clean dishes as you cook, to save time and stay ahead of the mess. but scrubbing still takes time. now there's new dawn powerwash dish spray. the faster, easier way to clean as you go.

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been hit as hard by coronavirus as kirkland in washington state. specifically this life care center, a nursing home, has emerged as an epicenter for the outbreak. six of the ten deaths in the state have been tied to the facility. dozens of others, residents, staff members, visitors, are now on watch because they may have been exposed to the virus. karen is who you're going to meet. her mother is in there. she visits her all the time. now she can't. she's not getting a lot of information about her mother's condition. her father is also elderly. he seems to have been exposed. he's in the hospital now with bad symptoms. her sibling tested positive for coronavirus. now she has a fever that spiked over 104. so she is self-quarantined and hasn't been tested. here's what she has to say. karen, go goheen, can you hear okay? >> yeah.

>> you look well, thank god, because i know that you're dealing with some tough symptoms. you're at home. you decide to quarantine yourself. you're a nurse so ooungd best practices. how do you feel? >> well, it's up and down. this morning i didn't feel like i had a fever. then this afternoon i started chilling and now i have a fever of 101.5. so even though you say i look good, i'm not really feeling all that great. >> both of your parents are in an elderly facility and you go to visit them. they're basically healthy. but that's what you're really concerned about. you didn't want to talk to me about you. >> right. >> you say you're going to be fine. but you're worried about them. give me the situation. >> yes. >> why are you so concerned? >> actually my mom is the one that was in the facility. my dad was at home. he had been taking care of her before she got sick. and then he was visiting her every day in the facility to

keep her company, like you do with elderly people. you don't leave them all alone in a room to be lonesome so he was visiting every day for six and a half hours every two and a half weeks. when we found out we couldn't go anymore. and just a couple days after that, my dad started exhibiting a fever. he wasn't eating or drinking. he was confused. and he's still confused and disoriented. he can't figure out why he's at the hospital. >> it's interesting. you guys are concerned that you may have picked up the virus at the elderly facility. your father is not well, he's in the hospital. you're not well. you haven't been able to get tested. we'll deal with that in a second. you've got a sibling who has coronavirus. your mother right now they say does not. do you trust that information? >> i don't know what my options are. i can't go there to verify.

but, you know, i have to believe them because she's in their care. >> i know it's hard for you. i know just because you're a care provider and these are your parents and you know that they're fragile, i know that emotionally is this the most difficult part of this for you is the not knowing and not being able to go? >> well, yeah, not being able to be there to comfort my parents, to make sure they're getting the right care. i mean we've been at her bedside every day for weeks. we have to encourage her to take fluids and eat and we've had to help with that, you know. but if they're short staffed, then are they doing that? >> so where are we in terms of you getting tested so you can know what the heck you have and whether or not you've got to stay at home or you can go and do what you want to do? >> well, chris, you made an effort to help me get tested. i think you reached out to the department -- washington state department of health and jay

inslee to try to get me to be tested. they called me this afternoon. i'm happy to be tested. but you know, there's people out there that are sicker than me. i know there's a shortage of test kits. i know there's people that need to be tested because they are high risk. so like i'm happy to get tested. it's just i don't want to kick anybody out of the queue, you know. >> i don't know anything about -- i don't know anything about what you said about us doing anything. i don't confirm or deny anything. >> oh. >> that we did. but i will say this. >> oops, sorry. >> you are a typical nurse. you won't put yourself first, no matter what. i want you to give a message to the audience for me. everybody is so worried about being in your position. what do you want people to know about how you're doing, what this is like and what you think they should feel about prospects

with coronavirus? >> don't panic. coronavirus is potentially deadly in people that are immune owe compromised and elderly. there is no treatment for it, so even if you get tested, they aren't going to give you the magic bullet because there isn't one. so if you're sick, stay home. self-quarantine. you have got to look out for the rest of the public. >> there's one thing i'm going to do that you're not going to like. i'm sending you stuff for at home. i don't care if you want it or not. i know you said not to to the team, you don't need it, sejdndt to other people. too bad. god bless, get better soon and good luck to your entire family. >> thanks for helping educate the public. >> boy, oh boy, i have to tell you someone dealing with such bad things in so many different

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all right. it was one of the largest presidential fields in history. 25 people got into this thing. 21 now out, but the game has totally changed. the wizard of odds is here to tell us how and why. thank you for being with me last night or early in the morning and now here again. we didn't think it was going to

happen but it did. how did it happen? >> yeah, i mean look at this. this to me is so telling. joe biden in the dark blue here on your screen. i just want you to look how well he did throughout the entire country. look at this. he won in the south, he won in the midwest, he won in new england, folks. maine, massachusetts, elizabeth warren's home state. and he was able to do it by putting together a coalition of african-americans in the south, white working class voters as well as whites with a college degree. really the only weaknesses for him was out here in the west where essentially he did not do particularly well with latinos as well as young progressives. >> how real is -- i know i'm going to the negative, but how real is the challenge with latinos or the challenge geographically in the west. >> look, most of the contests in the west are done. that's one thing that's important, at least the ones really asigning a lot of the delegates. with latinos, he did better with them in texas where it tends to be more conservative. it's more of a western problem with latinos.

i think the young problem isn't going away any time soon but he's doing so well with older voters that it cancels it out. >> bernie did kill it here with this belt right here. biden was winning in the white suburbs that would make trump very nervous about that. just to make harry's point, the march map, you're going to see it's not so much about the west, although arizona is going to be something he's sensitive not to lose but the big prize is michigan. >> the big prize is michigan. that minnesota win last night that he got and he ran up the score there i think tells us a lot about michigan. michigan, of course, has a lot of people like in minnesota, white working class voters, the suburbs as well, but also african-americans that he's done particularly well at. if you just look at the map last night and those conditions hold, i've got to be honest with you, something has to change. if nothing changes, piedbiden i going to run up the score. >> what has to change? what's the theory of the case for bernie? in terms of momentum what we saw was late deciders.

harry was brilliant about this all night. klobuchar and buttigieg get out. i said last week, i don't know if you remember, i don't think it's enough time. and he said remember newt gingrich in 2012 and he was right. obviously people who broke late 30%, 40% of people said they broke late, look at the numbers he got. >> this is a huge margin, 47% to 17%. this has been a problem for bernie sanders all along. he gets the people deciding earl but the people deciding late go against him. biden was able to ride that momentum coming out of south carolina with no money, folks. he won states that he didn't even visit and had no ads on the air in. it was crazy. that just gives you an indication of how the late deciders are determining this contest and momentum means everything right now in this primary. >> harry, thank you very much. well done. we'll test it now. what does this mean for team sanders? congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, star surrogate for sanders, here to make the case to you that you should feel the bern more than ever.

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americans, those single women -- >> all right, new normal as we all learned in thunderdome. two enter, only one can leave. let's bring in one of the senator's biggest big-name supporters, democrat from new york, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. welcome back to "prime time." >> thank you for having me. >> so what do you think? lessons learned, adjustments? >> well, i think there's a lot that happened on tuesday. one thing that we know for sure is we have a great opportunity right ahead to expand on the senator's strengths. we're about to have primaries in the industrial midwest where bernie sanders has had a tremendous record and track record on trade, where we are going to expand in our strengths with younger voters, with latinos but also with working class voters. bernie sanders beats trump and he's very strong with voters who make less than $40,000 a year, which by the way is 60% of the american public.

so we're really excited and reaching out to working families and championing the cause, saying yes, we are the stronger candidate against trump, and we can do so while advocating for a living wage, while addressing our climate crisis, by tackling our health care crisis in this country and making sure that people aren't dying because they can't afford insulin in the united states of america. >> fair points all. let's talk politics and then we'll talk policies. politics first, it didn't happen last night on two levels. one, you saw biden overperforming from what was expected. let's be honest. at this time last week there was a lot of talk about whether he'd make it through super tuesday. overperformed with people in the suburbs that you people need. overperformed with what we call white working class people. you know, we both hate the demographics, but they are what they are. those are the labels. why did he overperform? how do you win back, especially in a place like michigan where bernie sanders must beat biden? >> well, i think one of the things that we saw, and first of

all, of course, we want to be good sportsmen in this process and to congratulate the former vice president on his performance. but he overperformed because he had low expectations. and i think that's one thing that we have to clarify. it was kind of a last-minute consolidation of some of the more moderate and conservative democratic candidates in the cycle which happened right before this race. >> true. >> for folks who are making that decision in the 72 hours before the race where you have these dramatic developments, that is compelling, but that is an event and it is a moment. it is not necessarily a movement, which is what the senator has been building not just over the past year but over the past several years. >> true again. >> also something to notice last night, his performance among latinos will help put critical states in play in november. nevada, arizona, colorado. these are states that we need to be competitive and the senator -- and senator bernie sanders is delivering key constituencies that we need to win in november. >> i agree with the criticism

that there were low expectations. that is actually a matter of fact. now, it has to be a concern for the sanders campaign that so many people who broke late broke against him. that's not new. what is new, 2016 versus 2020 is the idea of the movement. and i say it all the time, congresswoman, that bernie is the only one who's got a movement behind him. now, the biden people beat me up for it, whatever, that's the business. they didn't show up for you last night. the young people who you are promising to the party that you can bring in didn't come in anywhere. how do you explain that with any optimism? >> well, i think one thing that we have to see and one huge question is the largest prize of the night, which is california. and we are going to be having hundreds of delegates decided, which was the largest prize yesterday, which bernie sanders won not by a little, won by a lot. we are going to see exactly what that lead looks like. >> yeah, we have to see. it will take days. it's hard to know.

he's certainly ahead. but you wanted 60% of the delegates. you're looking at like 40%, 45%, but let's play that at. >> we can't get too greedy sometimes. >> it's a greedy business, you know what i mean? you need everything you can get. >> for sure, for sure. >> because you are at a disadvantage going into the convention and let's talk about why. let's be honest about it here. the use of the word "establishment," okay, i think the case can be made that you lost to democrats last night. not the establishment. there are too many different demographics that came to play on biden's side. you can't dismiss them all as part of the problem. so you are injecting a progressivism into a party that is mostly center left. first, let's talk about the language. do you have to be careful about establishment because you make people feel like african-americans all of a sudden are a part of the problem? >> i do think there's a disingenuous conflating of what we mean. the fact of the matter remains that bernie sanders is now the only front-runner in this race that does not take corporate lobbyist money.

he does not take money from health insurance executives. he does not take money from fossil fuel lobbyists and he does not have closed-door -- he does not have closed-door fund-raisers with elites. and i think that that is an important distinction. now, if you voted -- if you did not vote for senator sanders last night, that does not mean you're part of the establishment. i think every american knows that washington has -- there's a very strong grip of special interests in washington. bernie sanders has a unique integrity. he is not bought and he has zero corporate lobbyist money financing his campaign. >> do you think biden is bought? >> i think that there's -- there are real issues with where campaign money comes from. i think it's not -- it's not a secret. this is how many of the -- even swing district members won their races in 2018 because they do not take corporate pac money. there's some that are very progressive. there are some that are very conservative. but one of the through minds

that we saw in 2018 was if you won your race, you likely did not take corporate pac money. it is a huge trust issue with voters. i think that bernie sanders has that trust. what he says, he will do everything he can to deliver. >> i get you conceptually. i think it gets a little tricky for voters because they get caught up in the numbers. sanders has such a massive money machine, you're right, where it's coming from is different. that's a fair point of distinction. but the money story right now is that biden had like $18.50 in campaign terms. he had like $2.2 million, spent $2 million in the last week. bernie sanders 10 x'ed him but didn't get it done. last point i have for you and you're always invited to continue the case for the senator. us versus them. i do not accept at this point the comparisons between donald trump and your candidate. i don't think it's fair because one of them is pushing a malignancy in this country that division works. bernie sanders, even at his worst doesn't approach that. but you do play the us versus them game and it makes me wonder what you think the future is at

the convention. because either you split off and do like in europe where you guys are the labor party or you have like a real other party, or the us versus them thing, how does it not come back to bite you when you come to convention time when it seems like everybody else is part of your problem? >> well, one thing that i would say and that i hope just for the sake of the party overall is that this does not get to a brokered convention. i think that is really important. i think that hurts the nominee, whoever the nominee is. i think it's really important that the american people and that the democratic electorate -- >> bernie agree with that or is that aoc on her own? >> well, i think -- i think overall i think that the senator has reiterated his point that he believes that the person with the most delegates -- >> he switched the position, aoc, we both know that. 2016 he was saying something different. look, i get politics. i'm not beating up the senator unfairly. >> i can tell you, chris, that my opinion and how i feel is that we have to unite as a party. the way that we do that is by

deciding our nominee at the polls. it's extraordinarily important. some things are bigger than a primary and defeating donald trump is extraordinarily important. that's why i think supporting bernie sanders is very important. he performs better than biden does at the polls against trump. he performs better in the industrial midwest. and guess what, as we learned in 2016, you can get all the votes you want against trump if you don't get the electoral college, we will not get the presidency back. you can get millions more votes than donald trump. >> you've got to get them in the right places. >> we will win michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, which are all the states bernie sanders wins against trump and outperforms biden in many of these states. this is due to trade, due to immigration and a lot of different issues in which the senator has exemplified a commitment to working class people. >> i hear you. the most important poll will come out next tuesday. >> absolutely. >> we will see what happens in michigan and that will really do a lot to shape the race. every time there's an opportunity to discuss these issues going forward, you know you have a place here if you want it. same goes for the senator.

>> i deeply appreciate that. >> absolutely. alexandria ocasio-cortez, the best to you and good luck to the candidate going forward. >> thank you so very much. >> let's be very honest about it. democrats are in a struggle that is a sign of the times. the politics of disruption. andrew yang knows what it's like in that arena. he and the yang gang were a surprise coalition in the 2020 race, around much longer than expected. he wants you to know where this could all end up, next. [happy birthday music]

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all right, so we just heard from a congresswoman famous enough to go by her initials alone, aoc, but now we have the man who was so resonant with you americans that he had a gang pushing his presidential bid. the yang gang told us about the resolve for different results in this country. andrew yang is now on "cuomo prime time." great to see you, welcome to the team. you heard aoc. >> yes. >> the argument has stayed the same for bernie. there is no shift.

it's just you'll see. biden basically got lucky because he had low expectations. is that the right resolve? >> well, there's one major variable that we don't know, and that's what elizabeth warren decides to do this week. >> how big is that? >> it's potentially enormous because what happened in the moderate wing is that pete and amy dropped out and endorsed joe immediately. now, bloomberg has done the same. and so there's all of the support that has flown to joe biden over the last number of days, hours really. and over on the other side, you have elizabeth warren still fighting it out. it's an open question whether all of her support would flow to bernie because i'm not sure if that's actually the same type of dynamic and relationship as you saw in the moderate wing. >> the experts say no, that there is an operative dynamic that's a little different. that warren has a significant amount of voters who would not go to bernie necessarily, especially educated suburban white women. >> and this is the issue, is

that bernie has been promising growth, growth of the revolut n revolution, and he needs to find a way to grow. his greatest opportunity for growth is if he can somehow appeal to the voters who have been supporting elizabeth warren. obviously if to endorse bernie that gould a long way. her campaign is reassessing what the path forward looks like. tuesday night was a very stuff night for her and her team. that is one of the greatest variables in the race. whether elizabeth warren decides to continue with the campaign kp if she does not what happens to her supporters and how much sway does she have over where they go. >> what would you do if you were she? >> i'm a huge admirer of hers. a huge fan. i got calls from most of the candidates the night i suspended and she had a tough night herself in new hampshire. it was not the result she

wanted. you never would have known it from the phone call to me. she was gracious, a real leader. she's a tremendous individual. she had the strongest debates. if you're about persisting and a fighter what do you do in this instance. political wisdom would suggest drop out. or before massachusetts votes. she has been a person who hasn't been bound by conventional wisdom. >> the next big check mark is the debate. what does that shape up as bernie vs. biden? >> only two possibilities. bernie vs. biden. or elizabeth warren there playing some kind of intermediate role. and even if she is there it will degenerate into bernie vs.

biden. each sees the other as the lone rival to the nomination. and at this point the dynamic between the two is getting established by the remarks. bernie is being overt in his criticism of the joe. joe is not really going after sanders than trump. which is a smart general election pose. a lot of people went to joe to figure out who will beat trump. if je takes aim at trump which he has been doing that makes you picture joe as the general election opponent. >> smart analysis. what's the di lel ma? why are you better. that was easy for you. you were introducing people to the mandated income every month. but we have to think about solutions. you don't see what's going on. you're playing a game the rules have changed. you're happy to play the game. that part is over with the two. these are old school warriors.

who is better than trump? if sanders is hit with the us vs. them. who's better than trump? >> it is. and bernie case again they will activate a new group of voters. that's really the tough case to make. that if it's not happening thus far then what will change moving forward? is there a new dynamic that will help them grow. to me again the major variable is elizabeth warren. >> i think that's a really interesting insight. i have been glossing over it. i assume she'll stay in. it was interesting to watch aoc. you can't call democrats the establishment if you want them to vote for you. african-american, suburban and men and women. you have a tough swing. great to have you here. your mind and mentality and what was in your heart means

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all right. bolo. be on the lookout. first what you should not accept. >> i want to tell you gorsuch. i want to tell you kavanaugh. you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. you won't know what you hit you if you go forward with the awful decisions. >> i don't like it. senator minority leader schumer.

i know trump says the same crap. that is why it's wrong. i get schumers concerns about undoing row vs. wade. it's real. you're not helping by appearing to threaten justices. if you act like what you oppose, how are you better? that's reality. calling the comments dangerous. he's a problem too. why hasn't he said that about trump? he's the worst respecting the judiciary. he had the gull to say action should be taken against schumer. he wants to enforce civility. you want to enforce civility it's easy. start with yourself. and they wonder why so many of you think so little of them. it's a problem. they should fix it. now, from worst to best. now since the president bush

shoe dodge have i seen this kind of quick thinking and mox si. did you see the reaction of the people around biden. jill biden, the senior adviser. when the lunging vegens stormed the stage. they had it covered. they did -- did you see biden putting hands. symone sanders giving her every piece of the that finally tailored jacket. >> that's what you call ride or die. that's what i want on my team. mrs. biden. or miss sanders. >> right angle in the confrontation. can't get passed us. spear system. she went right up put hands on her and