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integrity and the highest journalistic standards. i watched bobbie battista and dreamed of working in a place like cnn. she is remembered here with love and respect and our thoughts are with her family and friends. bobbie battista was 67 years old. that's it for us. the news continues. cuomo primetime. >> best thoughts to her family. anderson, thank you for that. i am chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. the cdc has green lit more testing. tonight we will show you the reality. someone in one of the epicenters of the out break. she has been sick. self quarantined. we will talk to her in her home about what she and her aging parents are up against. this is the real deal. in politics what does biden's good fortune mean for bernie
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sanders? we have one of his biggest backers here to argue the case. did you hear the president just demanded action from chuck schumer about exact same comments that he has made. trump should start with himself. there is a sickness spreading in our politics. this one has a cure. what do you say. let's get after it. coronavirus. let's keep you in the latest. 158 cases in the united states. death toll, 11. 10 in washington state. another death in california. worldwide, this is a scary number. who puts the mortality rate at 3.4%. i am not sold on any of the numbers. why? the same reason in each instance. inadequate testing.
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start with the worldwide rating. testing is uneven. some are showing only the worst cases that involve compromised and elderly folks, dying is more likely there just like the flu we have here right now. south korea. maybe they are testing a lot more. you are seeing a different range of outcomes. that is why we have been on the white house about slow walking testing. it is not about trump. forget trump. it is about the truth. you may get false positives. so what. the case number is not the concern. that is politics. we have 300,000 plus cases of flu and growing. are you worried about that? no. you will see people overwhelmingly beat coronavirus. it is serious but not something out of a movie. thankfully the cdc broadened guidelines for testing finally.
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now anyone with real fever, you know, real cough. difficulty breathing. you can go and get testing if the doctor agrees. the house passed $8.3 billion in coronavirus response on that package should help prevent spreading once it gets approved. we will stay don't. this should have happened a month ago. this is not going to end tomorrow. the economy will feel effects. the markets will react to news. you will see it. still, our focus has to be the best information. you must have it, okay. we must make sure that all is being done to get us through this asap. three very important people to do exactly that. doctor sanjay gupta. dr. zeke emanuel. dealt with the public policy of the ebola out break for obama.
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they say we relaxed it. there will be more. what does that mean in reality of getting new numbers and dealing with the spread? >> the real answer is that we will see. what they are telling us, and i spent time at the white house today with the vice president talking about this specifically. about a million and a half kits will go out at the federal level to all of these hospitals. university and state hospitals should be able to start testing and within time the commercial labs like quest. labs you are more familiar with in your community should start testing at some point as well. it will ramp up. i think it was ank knowledgement of what we have been talking about. there is inadequate testing. only 500 people have been tested in the united states compared to tens of thousands around the world. >> politics aside.
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you know i don't buy it. i see politics all over this. put it to the side. is it about capacity? can we not handle the cases? >> that is a good question. in terms of the testing, we can get it out there. according to the modeling. we have data to show it. what happens if you get even a mild to moderate pandemic in the country. how many will be in the hospital and get sick? you can see on the left mild to moderate and on the left severe. mod ral. 200,000 people needing intensive care units. we have about 100,000 beds. zeke will comment on this i am sure. 70,000 people will need to be on breathing machines. that is probably how many we have in the country and a lot are being used. hospitals are not built for having redundancy.
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>> there may be challenges. i would rather deal with the reality. help me out with this. i don't want to falsely underestimate things. but when you look at the testing distinctions, i get why they went with the high rate. you are only hearing about the worst cases. that is going to give you a bogus denominator. >> you have got a degree in public health obviously. >> no. but i stayed in a holiday inn express last night. >> that's exactly right. we don't know what the true denominator is. reporting the death rate as high is inaccurate. most infectious disease experts think it is below 1 or half a percent. that is still a high number. you take a high number of people
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with infection even if it is a low death rate. that takes you to a high number that need medical attention and that could die and that is a scary number. i talked to someone in philadelphia where i work at the university of pennsylvania who tried to get a best. he had been in italy. he couldn't get the test. i talked to an emergency room doctor in seattle. there were 300 tests available in king county and still haven't heard whether they can use their judgment to order a test. the promise that the head of the fda made we will have a million tests by the end of the week is certainly not being fulfilled. this is a point that i have made and sanjay has made. we had time from january until today to get ready and get our hospitals ramped up and to think
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of all of the equipment that we needed and it does not look like it was done and bad judgments were made. restricting the actual people that could get tested. that has given us a false number of how many people have the virus and a false number of how many people died from it. >> obviously we will be focused on who dies. that is human nature. when you learn that so many more are going home there is a comfort effect in that. at least an ability to report both numbers. the good news about the delay it is okay because it is all your fault. the president blames whatever problem he has on someone else. obama. obama. i know. we are living where we are right now. masks, okay. we keep telling people, everybody else, if you are sick you need a mask. if you are not sick don't worry
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about the mask. it is not just about making a policy judgment but whether or not professionals have the equipment that they need because it is getting sold out. how real is that? >> i think it is real. not just masks. we talked about tests. it is about equipment for hospital workers to be protected. this disease. the one thing testing will do is it will bring patients into the health care system. we have to have protective gear at hospitals around the country. we will have to have enough protective gear for all of the doctors and nurses. the ability to take the gear on and off. this will be a giant logistics challenge. testing is the type of the iceberg we are seeing. once we get people tested, it is a question of getting the people into treatment. once they get into treatment if they need
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sanjay put up earlier, a lot of hospitalizations meaning we have a lot of resources ask execution in our hospitals. >> this is the number he was trying to contextualize for you earlier. you are going to meet and exceed capacity. that is something we have to deal with. the nursing homes are a concern. the person coming up next on the show, this is how it started for her. she is in washington in kirkland. can't see her mom. supposedly they are going to release new guidelines. what are they? do you have confident in this? >> i think the recognition that elderly people are obviously much more at risk if you look at the data coming out of italy. people that died, median age is 80 years old. we have obviously seen what happened in washington state. we have to focus on nursing
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homes. i talked to some of the folks at the white house about it today. it will be harder to visit nursing homes. things like that to try to keep people most at risk safe. nursing homes are where they are. that is an example. the focus has long been on things like abuse and quality of care. the idea of infectious disease protocol is now go to move to the top of the list. they are go to make sure that infectious disease protocol are followed. trying to keep the coronavirus out. >> i am okay with that. what i don't like is not giving information about the people to the family that needs to know and now can't get in there. you taught us so many times. you have to be the advocate. one of the tips we have had, hey, you want to shake hands and do that stuff.
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indeference, let him see i am doing it. you don't have to shake hands. you can do something else. sanjay gupta. zeke emanuel and ron, thank you very much for giving us context for the situation. you know, your minds and your experience will help people keep a focus on what happens. thank you. god bless all of you for being with us tonight. everything they talked about to you is playing out in washington. imagine how worried and freaked you would be if you were hit with coronavirus. even though everybody is telling you you are okay if you are not old and have an underlying condition. now you are going to meet someone in the home where they are quarantined dealing with the known and the unknown. what a situation playing on out in washington. you will see it firsthand next. what's this?
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>> no place has been hit as hard as kirkland in washington state. six of the ten deaths in the state has been tied to the facility. dozen of others. resident staff, members and visitors are on staff because they may have been exposed. karen, her mother is in there. she visits her all the time. now she can't. she is not gettinga i lot of information about her mother's condition. her father seems to have been exposed. he is in the hospital now. sibling tested positive for coronavirus. now she has a fever that spiked over 104. she is self quarantined and hasn't been tested. here is what she has to say. karen, can you hear me okay? >> yeah.
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>> i must say you look well. thank god. i know you are dealing with tough symptoms. you are at home. you decided to quarantine yourself. you are a nurse. you understand best practices. how do you feel? >> well, it is up and down. this morning i did not feel like i had a fever. and then this afternoon i started chilling. now i have a fever of 101.5. you say i look good i am not feeling all that great. >> both of your parents are in an elderly facility. you go to visit them. they are basically healthy. that is what you are really concerned about. you said you are going to be fine. you are worried about them. give me the situation. >> yeah. >> my mom is the one that was in the facility. my dad was at home. he has been taking care of her
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before she got hit and was visiting her to keep her company like you do with elderly people. you don't leave them all around in a room to be lonesome. he was visiting every day for six to eight hours for two and a half weeks. when we found out we could not go anymore. just a couple of days after that my dad started getting a fever. he was not eating or drinking. he was confused. he is still confused and disoriented. he can't figure out why he is at the hospital. >> you are concerned you may have picked up the virus at the elderly facility. your father is not well. you are not well. you haven't been able to get tested. you have a sibling who has coronavirus. your mother right now does not. do you trust that information? >> i don't know what my options
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are. i can't go there to verify. i have to believe them. she is in their care. >> i know this is hard for you. emotionally is this the most difficult part of this for you, not knowing and not being able to go? >> yeah. not being able to be there to comfort my parents and be sure they are getting the right care. we have to encourage her to take fluids and eat. we have had to help with that. if they are short staffed are they doing that. >> where are we in terms of getting tested where you can know what you have? >> you made an effort to help me get tested. i think you reached out to the
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washington state department of health. trying to get me to be tested. they called me this afternoon. i am happy to be tested. there are people out there that are sicker than me. i know there is a shortage of test kits. i know there are people that need to be tested because they are high risk. i am happy to get tested. i just don't want to kick anybody out of the cuqueue. >> i don't confirm or deny anything we did. you are a typical nurse. you won't put yourself first no matter what. i want you to give a message to the audience for me. everybody is so worried about being in your position. what do you want people to know how you are doing, what this is like and what you think they
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should feel about prospects with coronavirus? >> don't panic. coronavirus is potentially deadly in people that are immnu compromised and elderly. there is no treatment for it. even if you get tested they are not going to give you the magic bullet because there isn't one. if you are stick, stay home. self quarantine. you have got to look out for the rest of the public. >> there is one thing i am going to do that you are not going to like. i am sending you stuff for home. i know you said not to. too bad. god bless. feel better soon. the best to your entire family. thank you for talking to us. >> thanks for helping educate the public. >> someone dealing with such bad
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changed. you didn't think it was go to happen but it did. how? >> look at this. this is so telling. joe biden in the dark blue on the screen. look how well he did throughout the country. he won in the south. the midwest. he won in new england, folks. maine. massachusetts. elizabeth warren's home state. he is was able to do it by putting together a coalition of african-americans in the south, white working-class voters. the only weakness is out here in the west where he didn't do well with latinos and young progressives. >> how real, i know i am going to the negative. how real is the challenge in the west? >> most of the contests in the west are done. at least the ones really assi assigning a lot of the delegate.
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he did better with them in texas. tends to be more of a western problem with latinos. he is doing so well with older voters that it cancels it out. >> bernie did get it here on this belt but biden winning in the white suburbs. the march math you will see, not going to be as much about it is left. >> the big prize is michigan. the minnesota win last night he got i think that tells us a lot about michigan. michigan has a lot of people, white working-class voters and also has african-americans he has done particularly well with. when you look at the math and if those conditions hold, something has to change. if nothing changes biden will run up the floor. remember how well they did in
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bamba. -- alabama.alabama. -- alabama. klobuchar and buttigieg get out. i said i don't think it is enough time. he said remember newt gingrich in 2012. he is right. 30 to 40% of people said he broke late. >> 47% to 17%. this is a problem for bernie sanders all along. he gets the people deciding early but the people deciding late go against him. biden rode that wave of momentum with no money. he won states he didn't even visit. it you was crazy. that gives you an indication of how the late deciders are determining the contest and momentum means everything in the primary. >> well done. we will test it now. what does it mean for team sanders? star surrogate for sanders is here to make the case for you
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>> the establishment. new normal as we all learned in thunderdome. two enter and only one can leave. let's bring in one of the senators' biggest big name supporters, the democrat from new york. welcome back to primetime. >> thank you for having me. >> what do you think lessons, adjustments? >> a lot of that happened on tuesday. we know we have a great opportunity ahead to expand on the senator's strength. we are about to have primaries in the midwest where bernie sanders has a track record on trade and we are going to expand in our strengths and with latinos. bernie sanders beats trump and
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is very strong with voters that make less than $40,000 per year, 60% of the american public. we are excited to reach out to working families and championing the cause saying we have a stronger candidate against trump and we can do so while advocating for a living wage and tackling the health care crisis in the country and make sure people are not dying because they can't afford insulin in the united states of america. >> politics first, didn't happen last night on two levels. you saw biden overperform from what was expected. this time last week there was talk if he would make it through super tuesday. overperformed with people in the suburbs you people need. over perform with what we call white working-class people. we hate the demographics but they are what they are. why did he overperform. how did you win back, especially
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in a place like michigan where bernie sanders must beat biden. >> of course we want to be good sports in this process and to congratulate the former vice president on his performance but he had low expectations. i think that is one thing we have to clarify. it was a last minute consolidation of some of the more moderate and conservative democratic candidates in the cycle that happened right before the race. the folks that are making the decision in the 72 hours before the race. that is an event. that is a moment. that is not a movement. >> true. >> that is what the senator has been building, not just over the past year but over the past several years. >> true again. >> last night, his performance among latinos will help put critical states in play. nevada, arizona, colorado. these are states that we need to
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be competitive. senator bernie sanders is delivering key constituencies that we need. >> i agree with the criticism that there were low expectations. that is a matter of fact. it has to be a concern for the sanders' campaign so many people that broke late broke against him. that is not new. what is new is the idea of the movement. i say it all the time congresswoman. that bernie is the only one with a movement. now the biden people beat me up for it. they didn't show up for you last night. the young people you are promising did not come in anywhere. how do you explain that with any optimism? >> i think one thing we have to see and one huge question the largest prize of the night which is california. we will have hundreds of delegates decided. bernie sanders won by a lot.
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we are going to see what that lead looks like. >> it will take days. he is certainly ahead. you wanted like 60% of the delegates and you are looking at like 40, 45. >> we can't get greedy sometimes. >> it is a greedy business. you need everything you can get. you are at a disadvantage going into the convention. the use of the word establishment, okay. i think the case can be made that you louft the democrats last night. not the establishment. too many demographics came to play on biden's side. you are injecting a progressivism into a party that is mostly center-left. you have to be careful about establishment. you make people feel like african-americans are part of the problem. >> i do think there is a
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conflating of what we mean. the fact that bernie sanders is the only frontrunner in the race that does not take corporate lobbyist money, money from health insurance executives or fossil fuel lobbyists and does not have closed-door fundraisers with elites. i think that is an important distinction. if you voted. if you did not vote for senator sanders that does not mean you are part of the establishment. every american knows there is a special grip of special interest in washington. bernie sanders is not bought. he has zero corporate lobbyist money. >> you think biden is bought? >> i think there are real issues where campaign money comes from. i think it is not a secret. this is how many of even swing district members won their races in 2018 because they do not take
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corporate money. there are some that are very progressive and others that are very conservative. one of the lines we saw if you won your race, you likely did not take corporate pac money. it is a huge trust issue with voters. what he says he will do everything he can to deliver. >> i get you conceptually. voters get caught up in the numbers. sanders has a massive money machine. the money story right now is that biden had $18.50. right. spent $2 million in the last week. bernie sanders didn't get it done. last point i want from you, us versus them. i do not accept at this point the comparisons between donald trump and your candidate. i don't think it is fair. one is pushing a malignancy in
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this country that division works. but you do play the us vs. them game. it makes me wonder what the future is at the convention. either you split off and you guys are the labor party. you know you have a real other party or the us versus them thing. how does it not come back to bite you at convention time when it seems like everybody else is part of your problem? >> i hope for the sake of the party overall is that it does not get to the convention. i think it hurts the nominee whoever that is. i think it is important the american people and the democratic -- >> does bernie agree with that? >> i think overall that is reiterated that he believes the person with the most delegates. >> 2016 he said something different. i get politics. >> i can tell you, chris, my
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opinion and how i feel is that we have to unite as a party. the way that we do that is by deciding our nominees at the polls. it is extraordinarily important. defeating donald trump is extraordinarily important. that is why i think supporting bernie sanders is important. he performs better than biden does at the polls against trump. he performs better in the industrial midwest and you can get all the votes you want against trump. if you don't get electoral college you will not get the presidency back. michigan, pennsylvania, o oklahoma. this is due to a lot of issues. >> i hear you. most important poll will come out next tuesday. >> absolutely. >> we will see what happens in
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michigan. that will do a lot to shape the race. every time there is an opportunity to discuss the issues going forward. you know you have a place if you want it. same goes for the senator. let's be honest about it. democrats are in a struggle. that is a sign of the times. the politics of disruption. andrew yang knows what it is like in the arena. he and the yang gang were a surprise coalition around much longer than expected. he wants you to know where it all could end up next. [ applause ] thank you.
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andrew yang now is on comeuomo primetime. you heard aoc. the argument stayed the same. you'll see. biden got lucky. he had low expectations. is that the right result? >> well, there is one major varible we don't know and that is what elizabeth warren decides to do this week. >> how big is that? >> potentially enormous. what happened in the moderate wing is pete and amy dropped out and endorsed joe immediately and then bloomberg the same. all of this support has gone to joe biden over the last days and hours and elizabeth warren still fighting it out. it is an open question whether all of her support will flow to bernie. i am not sure if it is the same. >> experts say no. there is a operative dynamic
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that is different. that warren has a significant amount of voters that would not to go bernie, educated suburban white women. >> this is the issue. bernie has been promising growth of the revolution. he needs to find the greatest opportunity for growth is if he can appeal to voters who have been going for elizabeth warren. if elizabeth could go to endorse bernie, that could go a long way. her campaign is reassessing what the path forward looks like. tuesday night was a very stuff night for her and her team. that is one of the greatest variables in the race. whether elizabeth warren decides to continue with the campaign kp if she does not what happens to her supporters and how much sway does she have over where they go. >> what would you do if you were she?
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>> i'm a huge admirer of hers. a huge fan. i got calls from most of the candidates the night i suspended and she had a tough night herself in new hampshire. it was not the result she wanted. you never would have known it from the phone call to me. she was gracious, a real leader. she's a tremendous individual. she had the strongest debates. if you're about persisting and a fighter what do you do in this instance. political wisdom would suggest drop out. or before massachusetts votes. she has been a person who hasn't been bound by conventional wisdom. >> the next big check mark is the debate. what does that shape up as bernie vs. biden? >> only two possibilities. bernie vs. biden. or elizabeth warren there
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playing some kind of intermediate role. and even if she is there it will degenerate into bernie vs. biden. each sees the other as the lone rival to the nomination. and at this point the dynamic between the two is getting established by the remarks. bernie is being overt in his criticism of the joe. joe is not really going after sanders than trump. which is a smart general election pose. a lot of people went to joe to figure out who will beat trump. if joe takes aim at trump which he has been doing that makes you picture joe as the general election opponent. >> smart analysis. what's the dillema? why are you better. that was easy for you. you were introducing people to the mandated income every month. but we have to think about solutions. you don't see what's going on. you're playing a game the rules have changed.
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you're happy to play the game. that part is over with the two. these are old school warriors. who is better than trump? if sanders is hit with the us vs. them. who's better than trump? >> it is. and bernie case again they will activate a new group of voters. that's really the tough case to make. that if it's not happening thus far then what will change moving forward? is there a new dynamic that will help them grow. to me again the major variable is elizabeth warren. >> i think that's a really interesting insight. i have been glossing over it. i assume she'll stay in. it was interesting to watch aoc. you can't call democrats the establishment if you want them to vote for you. african-american, suburban and men and women. you have a tough swing.
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i want to tell you kavanaugh. you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. you won't know what you hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions. >> i don't like it. senator minority leader schumer. i know trump says the same crap. that is why it's wrong. i get schumer's concerns about undoing row vs. wade. it's real. you're not helping by appearing to threaten justices. if you act like what you oppose, how are you better? that's reality. calling the comments dangerous. he's a problem too. why hasn't he said that about trump? he's the worst respecting the judiciary. he had the gaul to say action should be taken against schumer. he wants to enforce civility.
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you want to enforce civility it's easy. start with yourself. and they wonder why so many of you think so little of them. it's a problem. they should fix it. now, from worst to best. now since the president bush shoe dodge have i seen this kind of quick thinking and moxy. did you see the reaction of the people around biden. jill biden, the senior adviser. when the lunging vegans stormed the stage. they had it covered. they did -- did you see biden putting hands. symone sanders giving her every piece of the that finally tailored jacket. "cnnen tonight" with a man that doesn't have that kind of moxy
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