this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, hillary clinton. the 2016 democratic candidate for president talks to me about her opponent, donald j. trump, and his three-plus years so far in the white house. >> we've done, i think, more than any other president. >> he has made some serious missteps as president. >> she also shares her thoughts on the 2020 democratic candidates who are still standing, one of whom will be donald trump's opponent this

time. >> what joe's victories on super tuesday showed is that he is building the kind of coalition that i had. >> also the former secretary of state talks about the coronavirus, afghanistan and on international women's day, the state of women in the united states and the world. >> there still is something inside that when a woman says, wait a minute, i'd like to lead, little unconscious alarm bells start to ring. >> but first, here's my take. medical experts are trying to map out the health effects of coronavirus. economists are estimating its economic fallout but predicting its broader political consequences is likely to be the biggest challenge of all. it's possible the virus will be quickly contained and we'll all move on, but if it persists, this epidemic could accelerate a major political shift. in several countries, the populist right is trying to

blame the contagion on open borders and migrants. in reality the disease has spread internationally mostly by travelers and tourists. i mpoverished asylum seekers don't often get on board cruise ships, but they rail against the government for continuing to allow migrants from africa, though there are very few cases of coronavirus on that entire continent. the scourge attacks have been directed mostly to china. >> they are very hungry people. the chinese communist government cannot feed the people. >> really. tom cotton, one of donald trump's staunchest allies in the senate, suggested the virus might have originated in a high security, biochemical lab in china. in the 1980s, i remember when rumors of hiv having been

invented in cia labs. there is now another conspiracy theory. president trump fuels the fire by saying how the disease came from china and how he saved lives by closing the border for people coming from china. in fact, public health officials stressed the importance of comprehensive public health systems that can safely and speedily test lots of people isolated and provide care for the infected. things have now ramped up in america, but the process has been far too slow, in large part because trump limited the expansion in 2019. it would have been worse if his proposal for the centers for disease control had actually gone through. we are already in a phase of deglobalization as shown in the

slowdown of world trade. some of these shifts are a natural rebalancing after decades of slowing globalization. but will they be more than that? it will all depend on politics and politicians. if people's fears can be exaggerated and manipulated, it's possible that the world will be heading down further walls and barriers. after the last area of globalization broke down, trade was frozen for decades. in a way we still do live in a world of trade globalization. trade in services has arisen by about 50% in the last ten years. royalties and licensing fees and indication of the spread of information, technology and entertainment worldwide are up about 60%, while migration flows have actually remained stable

over the last decade. travel has continued to expand dramatically year after year. you see, we humans want to have contact with the rest of the planet. the solution of problems with a global age can only be global. better information and coordination across the world. no one person can stop an epidemic by itself. sadly, it's far easier to peddle fear and hate and explain that it all began because the chinese eat raw bats. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my column this week. and let's get started. let's get right to my guest this week, hillary clinton. i will, of course, talk to her about the 2020 presidential race and the current occupant of the white house. but since i started with

coronavirus, and since it has the world on edge, that is where i will start with her as well. hillary clinton, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you very much, fareed. >> so donald trump says there have been 100,000 cases of the coronavirus worldwide, and yet just a very small number in the united states. should he get credit for that? >> i don't think that anybody should get credit for that. we are a long way from knowing how this will all play out. it's really just beginning. let us that you will the numbers stay low, the fatalities stay as low as possible. but what i'm worried about is the attitude that has been taken by the president himself and his administration, trying to downplay the risk, not being prepared, initially pushing the experts out of the picture. now, thankfully, they're back in

and able to not only talk to the public but help to better manage how we are responding. >> the president has said that there are some things the obama administration did that he questioned. he says that the obama administration didn't handle the swine flu well. he talks about how it changed some of the parameters of testing. what do you think? >> well, i don't think the facts support that assessment. in fact, what we do know is that the sars began at the beginning of the obama administration, because i was secretary of state at the time, really was a full court press by the administration to make sure that at every level, but globally, the united states was part of the response. the centers for disease control

h were told to be vigilant and try to figure out where this was originating, even if it was animal to people contractions. the trump administration severely cut back the cdc budget, cut back on this program of overseas. we shouldn't point fingers from the past to the present. one thing everybody should know is that the president is focused on one thing, not name calling or blame placing, but how are we going to make sure we prevent the spread of this virus in.

we need to take care of our health workers before people get seriously ill. experts have said there are probably many people walking around with the virus now, that it has been transmitted in many places in the country already. many of them will not get sick, so we've got ton sure we are prepared to take care of those that are really sick. >> anotherly. ump secretary fl. >> what's more important is what does africa and their government think of the deal? they were cut out of negotiations immediately after it was signed between the united states and the taliban in doha.

a the afghan government, which has been elected to help the american people, said they did not agree with a piece that was in the agreement. there was supposed to be a cessation of hostilities, in recent days where the taliban had resume fighting. i think it's difficult to have a peace agreement when you leave out the government of the country that you are expecting to up hold and live under the peace agreement. >> when you look at the broader region, are you worried that we are on a path toward greater conflict with iran? because the tension has mounted, sanctions are on iran, the iranian economy has been strangled, but there is no negotiation going on. >> i think it was a very serious

deal with tension in pulling out of the iran deal. we were determined to put a lid on the nuclear weapons program of iran. and we did. now, i can understand a new administration might come in and say, we don't think you have a good enough idea, we want to make it stronger. but because of that, we want to add negotiations to add even more elements of this deal. that's not what they did. what they did was say it's a terrible deal, we're pulling out. so what's happened? we all know iran has gone back to enriching uranium. it appears they have enriched their stocks, putting them.

and there are no discussions, as far as i know, going on it will. iran aumpls has had meals for the coronavirus. there could be opening doors for conversation. none of that has happened. so what i think was a short-sighted decision by the trump administration, they're getting closer to a nuclear weapon, which to me was a big development, because what it will mean in the region is encouragement to others to pursue a weapon as well. next on "gps," hillary clinton said she warned america about how bad a president donald trump would be. now she says it's worse than she imagined. back in a moment with that. i always dreamed of

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find your family's connection to this moment in history. at ancestry. when you look at the trump administration, we're now three years in, you were campaigning against somebody who had never held any government office, and you were worried and you sounded the alarm. >> um-hum. >> honestly, do you think it has been as bad as you thought it would be? >> it's actually been worse, fareed, because when he was elected, i did hold out hope that despite all of the rhetoric, the bombast and everything that we heard in the campaign that the job has a way of encouraging people to grow

into it, to accept the awesome responsibilities that one has, but when i heard his gnawing raul speech, the divisiveness of it, the continuing to set americans against americans, the language, the carnage in the streets, i knew that he had no intention of trying to be the president for the entire country. he was still very much focused on those who he had brought into his base, and i think as a result he has made some very serious missteps as president. >> and you think it hasn't gotten better over time? >> well, the economy that he inherited was on the right track, and it was important that it remain on the right track. i'm worried though that we have seen some unfortunate detours, for example, with the trade embargoes and trade wars that he's engaged in, and the failure to make any investments for the future.

the big tax cuts have not produced the kind of big investments that are going to make us richer and safer and stronger. we were talking a minute ago about the virus. you know, there's a lot we should be doing to invest in infrastructure. here and around the world to protect us against the spread of disease. with climate change, a lot of disease is going to move further and further north out of tropical climates and are going to be posing threats to us. we're not thinking about the future. it's all transactional, what's in it for the president and his allies, his cronies and his re-election. >> the thing i'm struck about is when he attacks you or democrats, it's always -- it's about the character of the person. it's very personal, so he's asked by sean hannity what do you think of mike bloomberg, and he just goes on about how short he is. >> very little. >> that's actually not true.

he's 5'8", and that he wanted a box for the debates, which, of course, is not true. but he is trying to get at something very simple, you know, and that goes to somebody's character. i mean, sleepy joe. >> mini mike. >> crooked hillary. mini mike. >> mm-hmm. >> not always rooted in -- in anything, but somehow he -- he is effective in making that work. should democrats be mimicking that? >> i think there's a real problem because when democrats do, they get punished, and i think there are a number of reasons for that. if you criticize someone personally or on a character basis on the right, it's just part of the landscape. it's how you win elections. it's who you are, and he's perfected the art of the smear. and if you're on the other side

of the political divide, most of the people who think and work and vote over there really don't like that. they aren't comfortable with it. they don't think it's the right thing to do, so it's difficult to thread the needle. so i do think there are enough criticisms to make about him that you don't have to resort to that kind of name-calling. >> there was an article in "vox" and i don't know if you saw it, on super tuesday, on facebook, the single most searched article -- the single searched news topic was hillary clinton's e-mails. >> that's right. i saw that. >> what do you make of it? >> i'll tell you what i make of it. is that fox and the sort of right wing echo chamber has has -- mastered facebook, aided

and abetted by facebook. so i read that article. and what that said to me was here it's super tuesday. the democrats are trying to decide who they want to nominate against donald trump. the coronavirus is spreading. we now have more and more reports from different places in the country, but led by fox news and breitbart and others, it's going to be about my e-mails, a totally, you know, bogus, finished, nonsense attack on me because they know how not only to drive those stories under the radar screen where the mainstream press like yourself are covering, you know, what's happening now, but they know how to deliver those stories through the algorithms into the feeds of millions and millions of people. so i begrudgingly give them a

lot of credit because they are shaping a narrative that is part of the messaging around trump's re-election, around people who challenge trump, changing the subject all of the time. you know. they are not interested or even worried about trump saying that the coronavirus is a hoax. they don't want their listeners, their viewers, you know, the people that they are frankly feeding this other narrative to to be focused on that. well, what's one of the ways to get them? you know, i live rent free in all their heads, as you know, fareed, so what's one way to get them diverted from the ways that trump is making in handling the coronavirus? well, let's bring up hillary's e-mails again. very clever, very diabolical, very destructive to the kind of fact-based environment and particularly news environment that is necessary for a democracy to function.

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if bernie sanders is democratic nominee, will you campaign for him? >> i'll support the nominee of the democratic party. >> would you campaign for him? >> i don't know if he would ask me to campaign for him, fareed, because i have no idea what he is thinking about for a general election campaign. as i've said many times, i do not think he's our strongest nominee against donald trump. >> is that an endorsement of joe biden? >> i'm not endorsing.

>> there's nobody left. >> that's true. there isn't anybody left, but i think what -- what joe's victories on super tuesday showed is that he is building the kind of coalition that i had basically. it's a broad-based coalition. i finished, you know, most of the work i needed to do for the nomination on super tuesday and then it kind of lingered on, and i think joe is on track to doing exactly the same thing, putting together a coalition of voters who are energized. you looked at those numbers. people are turning out, and they are turning out to try to pick the person they think would be the best president but also the person as our nominee who would most likely be able to beat trump, and clearly the trump campaign and trump himself know who they don't want to run against and know who they do want to run against. >> one of the challenges you had was unifying the party, particularly the bernie sanders wing of the party.

do you think joe biden will be able to do that better? is bernie sanders more likely to be more cooperative this time around? >> well, i hope so because his -- his failure and the behavior of a lot of his top aides and certainly many of his supporters up to the convention, at the convention and even up to election day was not helpful. i had thought we would unify. that's what we'd always done before, and that's what i expected. i certainly tried to do that when i ran against barack obama and worked very hard for him, so i don't know what his plans or the people around him are planning. i can only hope that they understand. we all have to have a singular goal of defeating donald trump. there is nothing more important. four years of his presidency is

going to leave enough damage. damage to our institutions, to the rule of law, the expertise of our government on everything from climate change to coronavirus pandemics. we cannot even imagine the damage that would be done by four more years of this kind of behavior. so i hope that -- that the people including sanders himself who have worked hard to get the nomination, if they are not successful will close ranks with the rest of us. >> you know him, you've dealt with him for a long time. do you think he's the person who will wholeheartedly support joe biden? >> i hope so. he's known joe biden longer than he's known me and in the past has had very nice things to say about vice president biden. and i hope that he doesn't want to see further damage inflicted on our institutions and all that that would mean to our democracy. >> do you think, given that we

now have two -- two men in the late 70s running for the democratic nomination, it's essential that the vice president be a woman, that the vice presidential candidate be a woman? >> i'm going to let whoever ends up being the nominee make that decision. there's so many factors that go into it. personally i would love to have a woman on the ticket finally again. we've had two women vice presidential candidates, one for the democrats and one for the republicans, but obviously i would like to, you know, keep that moving and actually have it happen in this election, that someone would be the first woman vice president. but whoever the nominee is, has to take a really hard look at the electoral college. what will help him, because that's who it's down to, what will help him win the electoral college, because i think our nominee could win the popular vote again as i did but that doesn't matter, as we know.

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for example, paid child care and the like to empower women to make their own choices, that still is at work and the double standard, particularly in public life and not only in political public life but business life, the life of the media and the arts and so much else, yes, there is some absolute misogyny that certainly lives online. i was so appalled to read about a sticker that had been made depicting greta thunberg, the young woman who has been trying to sound the alarm about climate change, being literally subjected to sexual assault, a sticker that was being passed out at a company that is involved in the oil industry in some way. now, look, i -- i understand that we're still fighting over climate change, although that

seems somewhat absurd to me, but to find by objectifying and having a picture that demonstrated a level of violence towards this young 16-year-old girl who has every right in the world to stand up and say, you know, world, you're not doing what needs to be done, that's misogynistic. that's not -- i don't agree with her -- i don't know why she has a big platform. i want a big platform, you know, to repudiate that. instead it's like let's show her being assaulted. that's misogyny, pure and simple. so it goes from that kind of overt example of misogyny to these unconscious biases. so we carry it with us, it's sort of deep in the dna what we expect women to be, and we're okay with kind of opening the doors and allowing our

daughters, our granddaughters, you know, to get great educations, compete for great jobs, but there's still something inside that when a woman says, wait a minute, i would like to lead, i'd like to be in charge, i'd like to be your president or chief executive or whatever it might be, little alarm bells, little unconscious alarm bells start to ring. >> there are people who look at the persistence of feminists, things like me too, or the cancel culture, and they say this is spawning a backlash that is electing donald trump, that is empowering these kind of forces. is that something to worry about, or is this just a price you have to pay? >> you know, i think that forward movement, kind of the law of physics, will always produce a reaction so whatever the reason might be, there are going to be people who are -- who feel that, you know, demanding one's rights or

demanding accountability for behavior that is out of bounds is somehow inappropriate or has gone too far is outside the comfort zone. this is all new to society. everybody is working this out trying to make sense of it, but i don't think that the process of trying to understand, how do we truly respect and value women in the workplace which is really at root what this is about without objectifying them, without harassing them. how do we best do that? and if that requires people to be more conscious about their behavior, and to think, you know, that's not a welcome pat on the back or comment, okay.

that's not a huge price to pay, so this is -- this is where we are in this ongoing debate about how best to empower women, to be the best that they can can be under whatever circumstances they find themselves. i think the backlash which you see in different places around the world is out of fear and it's out of a sense of losing control. in many countries, you know, women working outside the home is seen as incredibly threatening. until recently women driving a car was seen as incredibly threatening. this is happening across the world, and there are lots of both serious and kind of amusing ways people are fighting back. so, for example, in japan, an advanced economy, they would have an even higher gdp if they

could get their educated women in the work force. that's very difficult because of the way their family structure works, and so women are often taking care of both the young generation and the older generation without much help because the business culture really consumes most of the day, six days a week, of the husbands and providers in those families. so the women who are in the workplace, they are kind of a pioneering set. and there's been a recent couple of controversies because women have said we don't want to have to wear high heels to work. you know, after a while, it really hurts your back to walk around in the high heels, and as i understand it the labor minister said no, employers can demand that you wear high heels. or we want to wear glasses, you know. some of us can't wear contacts and can't do our work without wearing glasses. no, we don't want glasses in the workplace. so trying to govern even in advanced society how women appear says volumes about how women are viewed.

so you can go from, you know, the worst circumstances for women where they are still, you know, basically marginalized and shut out to advanced economies where they are still viewed as something of an oddity. and that's what those of us who believe in the equality of men and women and openness of opportunities to men and women based on ability and work ethic and all the rest of it are going to have to continue speaking out, so that, you know, we don't lose progress and go backwards. >> thank you for speaking out here, hillary clinton. pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. >> if my interview leaves you wanting to hear more of secretary clinton, there's a new documentary series about her on hulu. it's called simply "hillary" and it uncovers her life up through the 2016 campaign. next here on "gps," the trump administration has spent three years upending american immigration. now they have just made a major

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now for our what in the world segment. if the coronavirus crisis has you worried about the trump administration's level of competence, let me point you to an area where the white house has been astonishingly effective, immigration. legal immigration to the united states between 2016 and 2018 fell by more than 11%, not counting refugees according to an analysis by the national

foundation for american policy. and it will likely fall more. and this is happening because of strenuous efforts by the administration on a number of for immigrants to obtain green cards if they are deemed likely to collect welfare as legal permanent residents. as "the new york times" reports, the rule will ask immigration officials to evaluate applicants based on dozens of criteria including english proficiency, credit scores and whether they receive medicaid or food stamps. it's a sort of wealth test for immigrants and it's a regulation that could reshape legal immigration in the country. the migration policy institute estimates that 69% of the millions of immigrants granted green cards between 2012 and 2016 had at least one negative factor under the new public charge rule. the institute also finds that the rule would

disproportionately impact latino immigrants. this rule is a drastic expansion of a regulation that has existed in some form for more than a century. as the former state department official explained in "the washington post," the rule has been discriminatory. first it was used as a justification to deport poor irish immigrants in the 19th century. in the 1930s officials used it to bar jewish refugees from entering the country. trump has provoked an outcry with policies like the travel ban or dropping refugee admissions to historic lows but many changes to the immigration policy have gone unnoticed. the immigration institute compiled a list. it estimates that trump's new rules will have lowered

immigration by 30% in 2021. for trump this is probably good politics, but it isn't good economics. one of the united states' biggest economy advantages is the size and growth of its labor force, a significant component of economic growth. if trump policies remain in place, average annual labor force growth will be anywhere from 35 to 59% lower in the long term, according to the napf. and that will likely translate into lower economic growth. but a future with drastically lower immigration isn't just bad for growth, it's actually also bad for welfare. that's because immigrants of all skill levels contribute to social security and medicare through payroll taxes. an aging population means fewer american-born workers which means we need immigrants to pay into these systems. that is the great irony of the

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dozens of british officials poured into brussels this week to begin post-brexit trade talks. they're up against the clock. negotiators only have until the

end of the year to finalize trade rules, labor standards and even maritime borders. it brings me to my question. how long did the european union's largest trade deal to date take to negotiate? nine months, 14 months, 52 months, or 70 months. stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. my book of the week is "the great reversal." we had him on the show recently. this is the most important book on economics i've read in a while. it explains how the united states went from being a vibrant free market with low prices for consumers to one in which oligarchs and monopolies abound and consumers get shafted with higher prices. powerful, persuasive. it should be sent to every member of congress in washington. the answer to my gps challenge this week is d, japan's deal with the european union took almost six years to finalize before being implemented last february. after donald trump renounced the

tran transpacific partnership, japan and europe redoubled their efforts to create the world's largest free trade zone, but britain will not get access to japan unless it is part of its new deal with the european union. now both the european condition and the u.k. want a free trade deal but reaching that goal will be an uphill battle. given the eu's dependency on the u.k., the european negotiators demanded an equal playing field so as not to undercut them. but london complains that to follow eu rules would be counter to the very point of brexit which was to be freed from them. moreover, the brits will be simultaneously negotiating a deal with another one of the world's largest markets, the united states. washington wants britain to lower its food standards and allow in such american goods as color nated chicken and hormone

treated beef. but to do that would complicate britain's chances of a deal with europe. it seems that boris johnson is stuck between an american rock and a european hard place, and he has ten months to decide. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. ♪ hello, everyone. thank you for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin with the growing coronavirus outbreak. the u.s. is seeing a big spike in the number of confirmed cases across the country. more than 475 right now. in new york alone, 16 new cases popped up overnight, and this weekend over a dozen states and washington d.c. reported their first cases. 19 people have died, and that number is only expected to grow. today, the surgeon general says the u.s. is shifting its response to the epidemic. >> initially we had a