endorsement appearance with joe biden. john, there is a sense here, the biden campaign looking for a strong finish here to try and close this down. they do believe mathematically and plolitically speaking if bernie sanders loses, it will be michigan. >> we will be watching very closely, jeff zeleny. thank you very much. the news continues so we'll hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." the white house will not say if our president has been tested. this is no time for games. this isn't about showing weakness. getting tested is strength. we've got one president. be safe. america needs its leaders, especially now. the unknown fed by hiding information and lying realities,

that's what can overwhelm us. we can handle any reality in this country. we always have. we have senator bernie sanders tonight. he's going to address virus management on the eve of one of the biggest nights of his life. what do you say, let's get after it. >> all right, the virus is affecting everything, why not politics. matt gates was with the president on air force i tonight. he is now, gets a, self-quarantined along with four ouf gop lawmakers. they may have come with a close contact with a coronavirus attendee at cpac last weekend. you know him, he made a joke

last week wearing a mask. you the president came in contact with him last friday. they shook hands. he's also in isolation along with the president's newly picked chief of staff mark mad owes. god willing they are all fine and right now they're all okay, but it does speak to the seriousness, okay, and how scary this can be, even with these people now putting themselves into self-quarantine, it still about better safe than sorry. you'll hear about more cases. the president himself appeared at the white house tonight at the latest briefing on the crisis but left before the big question, has he been tested. here's his vice president's answer. >> let me be sure and get you an answer to that. i honestly don't know the answer to the question, but we'll refer that question and we will get you answer from the white house physician very quickly.

>> there's no reason for ignorance about it. the president is 73. he's shaken hands with everyone and anyone. he's of senior age, he is among those at highest risk right now. i want to be clear about this. look at me when i say it. god forbid anything happens to president trump. we have one. he should be healthy. we should do everything to assure that that is the case. i don't care how you feel about his politics. that is about way more than that. and this risk is about way more than him. just politics. bernie sanders, joe biden, in their 70s, high 70s, they checked every box of risk factors. what does this mean for how they're conducting themselves during the election? either trump is going to be president or one of these two men is going to be president. and it should be something that we care about. senator sanders is here tonight. he just held a coronavirus

roundtable in a crucial al battle. tomorrow cannot matter more in a democratic primary than it does. senator, it is great to have you, great to see you. let's take one step side ways. as tough as betting an election and a primary can be. you know i care about you as a person before anything else and i am worried about this. i don't have coronavirus panic, i don't do fear, but have you thought about it? you're shaking everybody's hands, you got crowds in the thousands and tens of thousands, all over the country, in and out of planes. do you have to think about it given what you might mean to the party and who you are and your age and your health and stage? >> i think everybody american has got to think about it. we, before we do rallies, consult with local public health officials to make sure it's okay. we've never done a rally without the approval of local public health officials. i think the question is going to

reverberate around this country. nba is going to have to ask itself what it does in the future in terms of professional basketball, the ncaa will have to ask the question, broad way and theater groups all across the country will have to ask the question. >> you check a lot of boxes, i don't. you may be smarter, you'd probably take me one-on-one, your age, your stage, i check different boxes. you and biden or both. you, biden and trump, all have the same -- >> i would hope every american is thinking about it. we had a coronavirus forum today and brought experts in the

country to come together and the bottom line is for me, you, t l trump, everybody in the country, we need leadership based on science. we need to have the best scientists in this country to come together in this world to direct how and where we go. one of the things that disturbs me about the trumps administration, somebody like mike pence who is leading the task group on coronavirus is not only not a scientist, his record is kind of anti-science. so we have to do a number of things. one of the things that you and i have discussed this in different contexts in the past, think about a health care today in with 87 million americans are uninsured or underinsured. we're the only major country not to guarantee health care to all. think about something who may be feverish, who may have a cough, who may say i can't afford to go

to the doctor, the couple hundred bucks it may cost me. think about a worker making $13, $15 an hour who doesn't have any paid medical leave who has to go to work together because if he or she doesn't go to work they don't have the income to take care of their family. one of the proposals that we have made is that in this movement while we moved toward medicare for all, every worker in america should be able to go to a doctor when you are sick right now to make sure that you get the testing that you need to determine whether or not you are sick, every worker who is sick -- that's right. every worker who is sick -- >> they should pay you for it. if that winds up the federal government has to get involved to pick up the tab, there's no tab for any other kind of b.s. if you want people to stay home, the employer has to step up. if you want them to get tested, there's no time for any other kind of politics. >> that's exactly right, chris. >> your rallies and stuff going forward, you, biden, trump, one

of you is going to be president of the united states. you're all very vulnerable to this. i'll offer you my hwhole show t come out and talk politics. we'll to the whole night on health care. but are you thinking about it at the team level, what positions they put bernie in, what they expose you to? >> of course we are. i have used more hand sanitizer in the last two weeks than i've used in my entire life. >> if somebody comes up, your ideas about health care, they reach oaf ver to hug you, you'r going to hug them, senator, you're fighting the fight for me. >> we're aware of this but it's not just me. let's be clear. it's the american people. as i say, i worry very much that when we have a president, chris, and i don't want to be too political here, but when you're

dealing with science and you're dealing with a president who makes absurd remarks, it worries the whole world and the people of this country. >> and now we're seeing the residue. all the time they said he lies, that's what they do, now they can't trust him and now they're worried and blaming all of us and mike pence is in charge of all of it and he doesn't even know if the president's been tested. let me ask you about tomorrow night. michigan. you won michigan -- i'm going to ask you in a different way. sh's saying you're going to win, forget it, you can't know right now anyway. in 2016 you won, people didn't see it. what's interesting in the poll numbers to me, i'll pull up the numbers now, neither of us care about the national poll. in michigan the numbers seem similar. what i looked at in the poll that i want you to address is

you beat clinton because she didn't get the african-americans out. she didn't get white working class voters out the way you did. you beat her i think by 15 with white working class voters. he is up in the poll in white working class voters. you have to win, you have to win with white working class voters and you need african-americans to give you a shot. do you think you can get it done? >> yeah, i do. i think you all know jesse jackson, one of the great figures in modern history and i said this before, not only did he help lead the fight as a young man against segregation and racism in the south, he was up north fighting for the economic rights of the african-american community and for all of us and he just endorsed our campaign yesterday. i think that is significant. big endorsement. he has a lot of respect not only in the african-american

community but throughout the united states as well. i think also that our message, you know, polling is one thing. you remember, chris, that last year justice this -- not last year, four years at this time the, the polls had me 25 points down and we one. i can't tell you what's going to happen tomorrow but i think that the working class here in michigan and throughout this country understands that in joe biden you have a candidate who is being supported by wall street, who is being supported by at least 60 billionaires, somebody who voted for disastrous trade agreements like nafta and pntr, which caused real serious problems here in michigan, in pennsylvania and wisconsin, somebody in terms of women's rights is not as strong as the candidate we need. people are asking themselves do i like bernie or do i like joe, who can beat trump? that's what democrats and independents and some republicans are thinking. and to me mind, chris, this is

really a no brainer our campaign is the campaign that can bring young people into the political process, that can speak to working class people, some of whom voted for trump. >> you need them to show up. we have to see in the primaries and we'll see it tomorrow night. >> but it's not just the primaries, chris. you're going to need the primaries are one thing. primaries are one thing and/or right obviously. but we need them to show up in the general election. does anyone really believe, let me throw it out to you, you know this stuff, that a campaign like joe's, which is frankly the same old same old establishment politics supported by the wealthy and they got all the governors and senators supporting them, does anybody really think that that is going to be the campaign of excitement and energy that's going to grow the base that we need to defeat trump? i don't think so. i say that honestly. >> i get your case and you know the counterargument.

they say look what happened last tuesday, he got all the votes he needed and then some and you're calling the establish what they call democrats and african-americans. >> no, no, no, no, no, hold ait. that is not fair. >> go ahead. >> let me define what i mean by establishment. don't do it for me. >> okay. >> what i mean by establishment is there are 60 billionaires supporting his campaign. >> you said the voters -- >> michael bloomberg. >> has establishment voters. >> no, no, no. if i said that, then i misspoke. i'm talking about the establishment. can we call billionaires part of the economic establishment? can we call michael bloomberg part of the establishment and wall street taking out their checkbooks, the health care history taking out their checkbooks? that is the establishment.

we are taking them on. people are sick and tired of billionaires buying elections and sick and tired of an economy that works well for people on top but not working well for working class people who are going nowhere in a hurry over the last 45 years. this country needs medicare for all like every other major country on earth, we need to make sure that the wealthy start paying their fair share of taxes and deal with the crisis of climate change. that's what our campaign is about. it is not what joe's campaign is about. >> let's leave it on this -- i think what we'll see play out tomorrow night is a function of what people have more confidence in or what they're less concerned about. what you're promising for the future and how to get there versus what biden may have represented in the past. it will be an interesting measurement at a very interesting time. senator sanders, thank you for being with us, stay vibrant,

stay healthy. i look forward to covering you in detail all night long. >> okay. thank you very much, chris. thank you. >> be well, senator. stay well, take care of yourself. >> thank you. >> listen, you know, this is not a fishing expedition. the president, joe biden, bernie sanders, they check a lot of risk boxes. one of these people are going to be your leader for the next four years. we got to make sure they take care of themselves. if they're going to go out and campaign and do things and one of them goes out and gets sick, was it worth it? coronavirus a lot of cascary headlines italy on lockdown. is that going to happen here? what should we be thinking about right now? extremely valuable perspective. you know who knows these kind of answers? surgeon general. former u.s. surgeon general next.

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seeing the real outcomes. we're getting exaggerated, negative outcomes. there's been a big jump from two weeks ago, yes, the pred saside said it wouldn't go beyond a few cases. he was wrong and probably knew he was wrong and he said it anyway. that's on him. let's ask a former u.s. surgeon general doctor. it's very good to have you, sir. >> great to be with you, chris. >> so first thing, am i wrong to say that the president should be tested if these touching these other cats to have been in south kwau -- self-quarantine now? >> you're not sk wrong wrong to

question. the president is also an important symbol and when the president is well, it gefs confidence to the president. i this i it importa-- think it't the president is evaluated by his doctors and it important if he's experiencing symptoms they test him. my hope is that he's doing well and none of the congressmen and women have been exposed and that none of them get sick either, but it's important especially in this moment for the government to be very transparent with what is happening -- >> do you think it has been? >> i have i we're still waiting for information. >> waiting for information meaning the government doesn't have it or we're waiting for them to be transparent the way they should be? >> it depends on the president's health. we're waiting for information from his physicians. >> that's about hem nthey not wg

us to do. i'm saying in general, what they will be doing, what the realities are. how do you feel about that? >> i'm feeling better now than we were a year ago. my concern is also that we do not have enough information to understand even how many tests were being performed. this is given not just to doctors but also to members of the general public to wanted to understand what is happening. do we have the capacity to address this. i think there are three key principles that the government has to keep in mind when addressing crises like this. number one, you are to lead with science and communicating. number two, you have to be transparent. that's how you build trust and, third, you have to be sure adequate resources are going to

institutions and people on the front line. >> and where. one thing i was talking to a colleague about, who is going to get hardest hit here, the elderly. but where? impoverished communities. they have more risk factors. is anybody prioritizing for that or is this going to be like everything elsewhere those who need the most often don't get the attention? >> this is one of the great tragedies of outbreaks and epidemics like this, wihich is the vulnerable are the ones who always get hit the hardest. not just in terms of their health but also the poor. >> social security your economic implications. we don't know that they prepared for capacity in those areas. i haven't even heard if they're ready for the capacity questions about where do you keep people? are you ready? do you think that -- do you have

any insight -- i know you've been meeting with the ncaa, where there weren't people there. that matters but it doesn't matter as much as the kcapacity of the system to deal with what's coming our way. >> i know many people in the government, tried and true like dr. fauci, they know we need to get supplies to the hospital, including masks and gloves and gowns this is the tip of the iceberg we should expect to see more cases as testing expand but we should also expect there is going to be real spread of coronavirus here in the united states. that doesn't mean that it goi's going to be a doomsday scenario

but it does mean things are going to get worse before they get better. we have to prepare and ensure we are reducing our risk ofi illness, hand washing, not touching your face and it requires staying home if you're sick. those are some of the things you can do if you're ill but now as we see increased spread, local spr spread, wee got got to think a the next level, do we move instead of hand casehandshakes bumps. >> i did see a video from an italian grandmother who said instead of touching, you give a wink. you got to be smart for doing

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one-two punch as good news, the president is now pushing a plan to cut payroll ta is that a response to coronavirus or is it what trump said he was considering last ye year? because he's given mixed messages on this, too. the fica line we're talking about on your paycheck that funds so-called entitlements, programs like medicare and social security. is this a way to cut that but make it look like something else or am i being cynical? austin goolsbee is the big brain from the university of chicago. he was chief white house economic adviser to president obama. professor, you and i met each other back during the great recession. in fact, i remember asking you back then how is it not a recession? how is it not a depression? what's the difference? and we went from there. when we look at the market

today, how much of this is proof of long-term pain versus unpredictable and rapid market cycles, just trading. we're just talking the trading markets. i'll talk economy in a second. >> well, i think it's more than just day traders or a blip, but it doesn't have to be that people expect a long-lived recession. i think what everybody's recognizing with coronavirus and they're looking at italy and looking at china and korea where you're shutting down and quarantining millions of people and then they apply that to the u.s. economy where so much of our economy is dominated by services, which are exactly the kinds of things that shut down when you go into those quarantines and i think that is the -- that's the big fear that people look at it and say, whoa, even if this thing light i don't knows up when we get to the summer and we're all hopeful that it more like a flu and less

like ebola and that in the summer maybe the infection rates will slow down. even if they slow down for the next two or three months, it's going to be a real nasty trip. >> the president says one of the things i'm thinking of doing is payroll taxes. that's a tricky thing to do when he already gave that big tax cut so now you got a big deficit. do you believe that's corona responsive or is that another way to get to the spending cuts that he wanted to do but now he has an excuse to do it. >> boy, i certainly hope it's no the that. in the president's budget they proposed cuts to medicare and social security and things like that. i really hope that it is not that. i'm glad that the white house is thinking about let's call it economic means of addressing some of these coronavirus issues. i think this is off base for a few reasons. number one, even if you gave a

payroll tax cut, in an environment where we're telling everyone don't go outside, don't go to services, don't go to sporting events, that's a mixed message. two, this doesn't go out the door very quickly. the cut in the fica line of your paycheck is going to dribble out over weeks. it's not a one-time thing. >> and if they wanted a target -- >> what if you don't have a job? what if you get laid off, then you don't pay payroll tax. hey, employers, we're going to step up and create a fund, you will give your workers paid leave when they have to quarantine. you will not have someone self-quarantine and not pay them, step up. aren't those obvious moves? >> i think those are the two obvious moves. here's the thing about virus economics, which is different

from normal economics in a normal recession, you don't know what the cause is, there's not an obvious time period that it's going to take place and go away so you engage in stimulus. the thing about virus economics is the best thing you can do for the economy has nothing to do with the economy. it is to slow the rate of spread of the virus. it's to allow people to stay home when they go sick and not go bankrupt and not lose their jobs. so we got to engage in getting the test and slowing the spread of this virus. that is doable. you can't stop the virus from spreading a the all bt all, but slow it down and get us to the summer when the rates may be lower. i don't understand why the president is going out and saying we only have 14 cases and pretty soon that's going to be zero. it's just completely false and

it's encouraging people that are making the virus spread quicker. >> it's the opposite of what he needs to do. we all know the case numbers are going to pop. push the testing and let people see the big testing, they'll see how many people recover, they'll be less freaked out. perception is reality, especially on wall street. austin goolsbee, appreciate a few minutes of your time tonight i'll be calling on you again because this is going to keep going and we'll need fresh perspective. be well. >> great to see you again, chris. >> you might have noticed we've called on on calling this crisis a pandemic. why? >> there's reason why we weren't using it and there's a reason why we're now using it. it has nothing to do with spreading panic. it's about helping to prepare and being real with you. chief doctor sanjay gupta will explain this and more next.

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why? why am i calling it a pandemic? we want to be real with you. that's why people like dr. sanjay gupta are so important. pandemic. scary word. why do we have to say it? >> because it's off the truth. >> off the record initially and more and more off the record means we're dealing with a pandemic. >> pandemic means we're all going to die. >> no, that's part of the worry. the health insuranceatisitation will panic. let's look at the criteria. a new virus that can cause illness or death. we know that's the case.

sustained human-to-human transmission. we've seen that in china. there's evidence in this country, italy and south korea and evidence in distinct locations around the world. it's happening. it's a pandemic. just because it's widespread gives no indication of how lethal, how many people will die. people oftentimes commingle all these terms together. it just really talks about the fact that a new pathogen is circumnavigating the globe and it's sustained human to human, i spread it to you, you spread it other people, when you get to four or five generations of that, that's considered sustained spread. >> at this point i'm almost hoping i get it so people can see someone make it through and this is the normative behavior over 80% of the time. i'm sure that's something people in my audience would like to see

also but for different reasons. one question is seasonal sensitivi sensitivity, what it means and why is it inflammatory for me to want to know whether or not the president has been tested for coronavirus when he's touching these guys who are now self-quarantined? >> let me do the seasonal one first? >> whatever you want. you're the doctor. >> you're the interrogator. let me answer your questions first. the seasonal one, first of all -- i mean that in the nicest way. we don't know whether or not this is going to away as the weather gets warmer. the reason this has come you up is because other viruses did tend to have a peak in march to april and then dim initiinishdi. could the same thing happen here? it might. the reason we keep saying "novel" in front of coronavirus is because it is a new virus. we don't know how it's going to behave. the world map, most of cases are

still in the northern hemisphere where the weather is cooler. you're seeing some further down but fewer number of cases in the southern hemisphere. maybe it's more of a colder weather virus. we don't know yet. >> let's take a break and we'll come back and deal with the president's issue. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you. nor of t more of the common questions out there. i are complete confidence as long as you're given the straight deal you'll take care of yourselves and the people you care about everything will be fine. we're not getting the real deal. it's not right. we won't allow it. stay with us. did have shape your future. start here. learn more at 2020census.gov

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when we left, i wanted to know from sanjay whether, you know, it's wrong for us to be pushing to hear about whether the president's been tested for coronavirus when he was touching people who are now self-quarantining. i mean, we only have one, god willing, we need him healthy. >> yeah. no. i think it's a very fair question. i think that the -- the -- i was surprised a little bit that press conference, no one really seemed to know whether or not the president had been tested. vice president pence thought, initially, the question was about whether he had been tested. there was a lot of confusion there. so i was surprised that they didn't have the answer to that. let me make this one point, though, chris. because play this out going forward a bit. the idea that who should get tested, ultimately, we've been really short on tests. you were one of the first to start talking about this. but we're still short on tests. so who should get tested? somebody has contact with somebody and they have contact with other people, second generation, should the second-generation people always get tested?

i'm not sure. i think regardless whether it's the president or not, i think a lot of docs may make the case you can't test all second, third-generation folks. that's not going to make sense. it's going to be low yield. let's monitor them, see if they develop any symptoms because it's unlikely they would develop the infection. but i think one can medically make the argument that it's not necessary to test everyone who is in the second-generation category, as the president is in this particular situation. >> then what do you do? god forbid, i hypoall thoope al guys are okay. mark meadows. but -- >> if one of them is positive, i don't think results have come back. >> yeah but it could be too early. >> yeah. it could be too early. but let's say they get tested and at one point, one of them comes back positive, i think that does change the equation.

now, you have contact with someone who is positive. even as i talk to my infectious disease colleagues, we don't know exactly how this is going to play out. but given that we don't have enough tests, i think it becomes a crucial question who do we actually use the tests for? >> all right. now, here's a practical consideration. i don't know where to go. i don't know what to do. they may close my kids' schools. should i go on spring break? is gupta going to go somewhere where there's family? or are you going to stay with me out east? how do you make a decision about whether to go somewhere or not? >> there's so many different components to this, right? so first of all, just looking at air travel. let's say i'm flying. you and i have talked about this. i think it's fair to say that the air cabin itself -- the air in the cabin itself is pretty safe. some could argue even safer than office buildings. >> people think everyone's trapped in the same thing. >> so the idea that you are

clustering next to people is the concern on planes and in the terminal and other places. and i think there, the basic flu cautions do, they hold. this isn't like measles where it kind of gets into -- particles get in the dust and it stays airborne. it's l it's respiratory droplets. i do think with elderly people right now, people in their 07s and 80s in particular, or with these pre-existing conditions, heart disease, lung disease, hypertension, were the four most common out of the china study that were problematic. i think for the next few weeks, they should be staying home as much as possible. i don't think you should take the joy out of their lives but the idea of going to crowded places where you might come in contact with the virus, just got to use your judgment in terms of reducing that risk. for other people, i think people will probably still continue to travel. i think if you are young, if your family is relatively young,

i think it's okay to go on spring break. >> my invitation stands, dr. sanjay gupta. you are one of the most beautiful, complete human beings i've ever been around in my life. you take care. thank you for the invitation -- thank you for the information. you can thank me for the invitation. it stands. >> i will. >> we're going to take a break. i want to update you on a guest we had on last week. she self-quarantined. she was worried about her mother. she thinks she has coronavirus. we have new information and it may also help answer some of your questions. next. now, that dream... . ...is her reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? for all-day, all-night protection. sennew color sensationalkes on athe creamsng. from maybelline new york. pure color pigments. infused with shea butter.

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is a nurse and she knew high fever and body aches meant she likely had it. she was tested and she had coronavirus. why is that good news? you remember her? remember how she looked? she says she is getting better. her spirits are okay. she had to stay home but just symptomatic care and she's doing fine, and she is getting better. she isolated herself to not spread. there's a look on her beautiful face. and that's right when she was starting to deal with the return, in the afternoon, of more fever. days after visiting her mother at the kirkland nursing home, what is now the epicenter of the outbreak in washington, her mother is waiting on lab results. look. helen's going to beat it. she's worried about her mother and rightly so. you are going to see overwhelmingly when you see more cases that helens are much more like -- sorry, karens -- karens are much more likely than anything worse. that's why we pushed the

administration to test and to tell the truth about the number of cases. keeping the number down does nobody any good. they're going to learn the truth. the threat shouldn't be taken lightly. but all the hype and panic, it's exacerbated by the administration mishandling the crisis and the president's lies. tell the truth. and we'll all be healthier for it. thank you for watching. tonight. cnn tonight with d lemon. >> give me the right information. right information. i gotta tell you. so i traveled this weekend, right, you didn't see me on thursday and friday. we were trying to get tickets on an airplane, obviously, tickets on an airplane. no trouble. we actually took a -- we transferred from one airport to another. seats became open. got the seats that we wanted. got to sit next to each other. checked the tickets. there were 26 empty seats on airplane. people aren't flying like they were. people are scared. hotel rooms, empty. we were in miami. weaw