bandwagon is growing. cory booker has just taken the stage here for his first endorsement appearance with joe biden here in detroit, and kamala harris also on hand. so john, there is a sense here, that the biden campaign is looking for a strong finish here, to try and close this down. they do believe mathematically and politically speaking, if bernie sanders lose, it will be challenging, but john, let's keep an eye on michigan tomorrow because bernie sanders pulled a surprise four years ago, let's see what happens. >> you got it. we will be watching closely. jeff, thank you very much. the news continues. we will hand it over to chris, for cuomo prime time. >> thank you. i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. the president's been in close contact with gop lawmakers who now have self-quarantined. the white house will not say if our president has been tested. this is no time for games. this is not show weakness. getting tested is strength. we've got one president. be safe.

america needs its leaders. especially now. the unknown, fed by hiding information, vying realities, that's what can overwhelm us. we can handle any reality in this country. we always have. we have senator bernie sanders tonight. he's going to address virus management on the eve of one of the biggest nights of his life. what do you say? let's get after it. >> the virus is affecting everything. why not politics? congressman matt gaetz was with the president on air force one today. he is now self-quarantined along with four other gop lawmakers. why? because they may have come into close contact with a coronavirus positive attendee at cpac last weekend. you know gaetz. he is the same republican this time, they're coming after him now for making a joke about the outbreak, on the house floor last week, by wearing a mask.

i guarantee, you he does not think it is as funny now. representative doug collins of georgia also came in close contact with the president this friday. you can even see they shook hands. he is among those in isolation along with trump's newly-picked chief of staff, mark meadows. look, let's be clear. there's nothing, there's no pleasure to be taken in this. god willing, they are all fine. okay? and right now, they're all okay. but it does speak to the seriousness, okay? and how scary this can seem. even with these people now putting themselves into self-quarantine, it is still better safe than sorry. you're going to hear about more cases. the president himself, he appeared at the white house tonight, at the latest briefing on the crisis, but left before the big question. has he been tested? here's his vice president's answer. >> let me be sure and get you an answer to that. i honestly don't know the answer to the question. but we'll refer to that

question, and we will get you an answer from the white house physician very quickly. >> there's no reason for ignorance about it. >> the president's 73. okay? he's shaking hands, with everyone, and anyone, and he's a senior age, he is among those at highest risk right now. now, i want to be clear about this. look at me when i say it. god forbid anything happens to president trump. we have one. he should be healthy. we should do everything to assure that that is the case. i don't care how you feel about his politics. this is about way more than that. and this risk is about way more than him. just politics. bernie sanders. joe biden. septuagenarians in their 70s, high 70s, they check every box of risk factors. what does this mean for how they're conducting themselves during the election? look, either trump is going to be president, or one of these two men is going to be president. and it should be something that we care about. senator sanders is here tonight.

he just held a coronavirus round table in a crucial battleground, he's fighting to win tomorrow, tomorrow cannot matter more in the democratic primary than it does. senator, it is great to have you. it's great to see you. let me take one step sideways. as tough as vetting in a government primary and election can be, you know i care about you as a person before anything else. and i am worried about this. i don't have coronavirus panic. i don't do fear. but have you thought about it? you're shaking everybody's hands, you've got crowds in the thousands and tens of thousand, all over the country, in and out of planes, do you have to think about it given what you might mean to the party and who you are and your age and your health and stage? >> well, i think every american has got to think about it, and we, before we do rallies, consult with local public health officials, to make sure that it's okay, so we've never done a

rally without the approval of local public health officials. but i think chris, the question you're asking is going to reverberate all over this country. basketball, the nba, is going to have to ask itself, what it does in the future, in terms of professional basketball, the ncaa is going to have to ask itself that question. broadway and theater groups all over the country are going to have to ask themselves that same question. >> i want to know what your guidance is in general about how people should approach this. but i do want to say, you check a lot of boxes. i don't. you may be smarter, you probably take me if we play one-on-one, i've been watching you shoot, you still got the form, but your age, your stage, your health, and i know you check different boxes and you are thinking about. it you and biden both. you or biden or trump will be the president of the united states. >> yes, i would hope that every i would hope chris, that every american is thinking about. it look, we had a coronavirus forum today. we brought some of the leading experts in the country together

to talk about where we are as a nation. and where we've got to go. and the bottom line here for me, for you, for trump, everybody, everybody in this country, what we need is leadership that is based on science. we need to have the best scientists in this country and in the world coming together to direct how and where we go. and one of the things that disturbs me very much about the trump administration is somebody like mike pence, who is leading the task group on coronavirus is not only a, not a scientist, his record is kind of anti-science. so we have to do a number of things. one of the things, chris, and i know you and i have discussed this in different contexts in the past, think about a health care system today, in which 87 million americans are uninsured or underinsured, we're the only country, major country not to guarantee health care for all, think about somebody watching this program right now who may be feverish, who may be having a cough, maybe saying god, do i

have the coronavirus, but i can't afford to go to a doctor, i can't afford a couple mun books it may cost me. couple hundred bucks it may cost me. think about a worker who is making $13 -- 15 an hour who doesn't have any paid medical leave who has to go to work tomorrow because if he or she doesn't go to work, they don't have the income to take care of their family. so one of the proposals that we have made, is that in this moment, while we move toward medicare for all, every worker in america should be able to go to a doctor when you are sick right now to make sure that you get the testing that you need to determine whether or not you're sick, and should every worker who is sick -- >> that's right. >> every worker who is sick, to have to stay home. >> they should pay you for it. >> and if that winds up being that the federal government has to get involved to pick up the tab, there is no time for any other kind of bs, if you want people to stay home because of a quarantine, employers have to step up and you want them to go get tested, you got to make sure testing is picked up. no kind for any other politics.

>> that's exactly right. >> the only reason i'm asking you, senator, your rallies and stuff going forward, you, biden and trump, all three of you, one of you will be president of the united states, and you're all very vulnerable to this. is your team, how often are your models saying to go and talk about health care, just to make sure you're not shaking a thousand hands and i know you're going to do and coming into the studio and talking about health care, and you are talking about it, thinking about it on the team level, and what positions to put bernie in and what to expose bernie to. >> and of course we are. i have used more hand sanitize ner the last two weeks than i have ever been in my entire life. >> and if somebody reaches over to hug you, you're going to hug them. and somebody reaches over to kiss you and say you're fighting the fight for me. >> we're aware of this. but it is not just me. >> absolutely. >> it is the american people. and as i said, i'm very worried. i worry very much, that when we

have a president of course, i don't want to be too political here. >> right. >> but when you're dealing with science, and you're dealing with the president who is making absurd remark, it worries the whole world. >> it does. and now we're seeing the residue. forever, you've been yelling about it. >> that's exactly right. >> but now, all the time that they said he lies, that's what they, do now they can't trust him and now they're worried and now he's blaming us and how is a mess, and the vice president doesn't know if the president was tested, he is in charge of national protocols and doesn't know whether the president was tested. let me ask you about tomorrow night and why it matters so much. michigan. i will ask you a different way. everybody says whether you will win and how you will win but we can't know now, when 2016 you won and people didn't see, it what is interesting about the poll numbers for me, and i'll put up the national poll, that's the latest, you've seen it, biden has a good wide, i will beat you to the punch, nobody

cares about the national poll. in michigan the numbers seem similar. what i looked at in the poll that i think i want you to address, senator, is that you beat clinton because she didn't get the african-americans out. she didn't get white working class voters out the way you did. you beat her, i think, by 15, with white working class voters. he is up in the poll, in white working class voters. you have to win, you have to win with white working class voters. and you need african-americans to give you a shot. do you think you can get it done? >> yeah, i do. i think as you well know, jesse jackson, who is one of the great figures in modern history, and i've said this before, not only did he help lead the fight as a young man against segregation and racism in the south, he was up north, fighting for the economic rights of the african-american community, and for all of us, and he just endorsed our -- >> big endorsement.

>> i think that is significant. a big endorsement. he has a lot of respect not only in the african-american community but throughout the united states, as well. i think also that our message, you know, polling is one thing. you'll remember, chris, that last year, just this time, four years ago at this time, the polls had me 25 points down. and we won. i can't tell you what's going to happen tomorrow. but i think that the working class here in michigan and throughout this country understands that in joe biden, you have a candidate who is being supported by wall street, who is being supported by at least 60 billionaires, and somebody who voted for disastrous trade agreements like nafta and pnpr that caused real serious problems in michigan, in pennsylvania, and wisconsin. somebody in terms of women's rights is not as strong as the candidate we need. somebody in fact, you know, people are asking themselves, do i like bernie or do i like joe, who can beat trump?

that's what democrats, independents, and some republicans are thinking. >> and to my mind, to my mind, chris, this is really a no-brainer. our campaign is the campaign that can bring young people into the political process, that can speak to working class people. some of whom voted for trump. >> i hear your argument. you just need to have the voter turnout. you need them to show up. >> that's right. >> and we'll see you tomorrow night. i want to ask you -- >> it's not just the primaries. chris, you need the primary, that's one thing, primaries are one thing, and you're right, obviously, but we need to have them show up in the general election. does anybody really believe, i will throw it out to you, you know this stuff, that a campaign like joe's which is frankly the same old same old establishment politics, supported by the wealthy, and the governors and the senators supporting him, does anybody really think that is going to be the campaign of excitement and energy that's going to grow the base that we need to beat trump?

i don't think so. i say that honestly. >> i get your case and you know the counter-argument, well, look what happened last tuesday, he got all of votes that he needed and then some and you're calling the establishment what his voters call the democrats and african-americans. that's the state of play. but something happens -- >> no, no, no, no, hold it, hold it. stop there. >> what's not fair about it. >> go ahead. all right. >> because let me define what i mean by establishment. don't do it for me. what i mean by establishment is there are 60 billionaires who are supporting his campaign. >> you said the voter dis -- >>. mike bloomberg -- >> the establishment voters. >> no, no, no. nope. if i said that, then i misspoke. what i'm talking about is the establishment of, can we call billionaires part of the economic establishment, chris? >> call them whatever you want. >> can we call mike bloomberg part of the establishment? wall street. who are taking out their

checkbooks. the health care industry who are taking out their checkbooks. they are the establishment. we are taking them on. >> what -- >> let me finish. at the end of the day, chris, here in michigan and around the country, people are sick and tired of billionaires buying elections and sick and tired of an economy that works very well for the people on top, but it's not working well for working class people who are going nowhere in a hurry over the last 45 years. this country needs medicare for all. like every other major country on earth. we need to make sure that the healthy start paying their fair share of taxes. we need to deal with the crisis of climate change. that's what our pcampaign is about. it's not what joe's campaign is about. >> let's leave it on this. i think what we'll see play out, is what people have less confidence or what you're less concerned about and what you're promising for the future and how to get there versus what biden may have represented in the past and it will be an interesting measurement at a very interesting time.

i don't want keep you longer than promised, senator sander, thank you for being with us, stay healthy, stay vibrant, good luck to you tomorrow night. i look forward to covering you in detail all night long. >> okay, thank you very much, chris. >> stay well, senator. stay well. take care of yourself. >> thank you. listen, you know, this is not a fishing expedition. the president, joe biden, bernie sanders, they check a lot of risk box, one of these people are going to be your leader for the next four years. we've got to make sure they take care of themselves. they're going to go out there and campaign and do things and one of them ends up getting sick, god forbid, was it worth it? we got to be thinking about it. i got to ask the question. coronavirus, a lot of scary headlines in the news. italy, on lockdown. literally. italy. on lockdown. is that going to happen here? what should we be thinking about right now? extremely valuable perspective. you know who knows these kinds of answers? the surgeon general. former u.s. surgeon general, next.

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grow exponentially, okay? people haven't been getting tested. just be open to that. you want to hear the real numbers because you will start seeing the real outcomes. we're getting exaggerated negative outcomes right now, all right? yes, there's been a big jump from just two weeks ago. yes, the president said it wouldn't go beyond a few cases. he was wrong. and he was probably, he probably knew he was going to be wrong and he said it anyway. that's on him. the administration now says four million tests will be out by the end of this week. but how much can you believe that? let's ask a former u.s. surgeon general, dr. vivek murthy, very good to have you, sir. >> great to be with you. >> so vivek, first thing, am i wrong to say that the president should be tested if he's touching these other people who have been in self-quarantine now and we should know the outcome of the test. what am i missing? >> well, you're not wrong to ask the question and i think that

all of us want the president to be healthy. we need our leaders to be healthy and strong. the president also is an important symbol, and when the president is well, that gives confidence to the public. so i think it's important that the president be evaluated by his physicians, that they understand if he's experienced any symptoms, that people experience when they have covid-19. and it's important if he is experiencing symptoms that they make a decision on testing him. we're waiting to get that information on how he's doing, i hope he is doing well and i hope nom none of the congress men and women who are exposed, none of them get it either but it is important especially in this moments for the government to be very transparent with what is happening. >> do you think it has been? >> well, think we're still waiting for information. >> waiting for information meaning the government doesn't have it or we're waiting for them to be transparent the way you think they should. >> well, specifically, on the president's health, we're

waiting to get information from his physician. >> that's about them not wanting us to know. i'm saying in general. in terms of how they've been handling what they're doing, what they will be doing, what the realities are, how do you feel about that? >> well, i'm feeling better now, than i did a week ago. my concerns early on were that we were, number one, not getting adequate testing capacity, to the health systems and departments who needed them, my concern is also that we do not have enough information to understand even how many tests were being performed. and this was giving concern, not just to doctors, but also to members of the general public, who wanted to understand what is happening. are we, do we have the pats to actually address this? look, i think there are three key principles that government also to keep in mind when addressing crises like this. number one, you have to lead with science and the scientists. they should be the ones communicating. number, two you have to be transparent with information. when you know something, you got to make sure that the community knows it.

that's also how you build trust. ability the thiand the third yo to make sure that the resources are going to the institutions on the front line, health departments and members of the clinics, and members of the public. >> and with who is going to get hardest hit here? the elderly. but where? elderly where? in impoverished communities because that elderly population has more risk factors that they check boxes with different types of disease. is anybody prioritizing for that or is this like anything elsewhere people who need the most often don't get the attention? >> this is one of the great tragedies of outbreaks and epidemics, like this, which is that the vulnerable are the ones who always get hit the hardest and i mean not just vulnerable in terms of their health, people with chronic illnesses, but also the poor, and those who don't have access. >> we don't know that they plan for capacity most in those areas. i haven't heard anything about it. i haven't heard if they're ready

for the capacity questions about where do you keep people, or are you ready. do you think that, do you have any insight into whether, i know you've been meeting with the ncaa and they had some games where there weren't guest, you know, people there, that matters, but it doesn't matter as much about the capacity in the system to deal with what is coming our way because we've seen it everywhere else. what insight do you have that into that? >> i know for many people in the government right now, including tried and true experts like fauci and others who have been there for decades that they have it in the forefront of their minds, that hospitals need the training and expertise. and many hospitals are struggling without basic protective gears including masks and gloves and gowns. but we know this is the tip of the iceberg, chris. we should expect to see more cases, as testing expands. but we should also expect that there is going to be real spread of the coronavirus here in the united states.

that doesn't mean that it's going to be a doomsday scenario. but it does mean that things are going to get worse before they get better and we should be prepared for that. but this is a time where we have to prepare, instead of panicking, and for preparation, it basically means we have to number one, recognize there are things we can do on our own to ensure that we are reducing our risk of illness. that includes hand washing. not touching your face. cleaning surfaces. like your phone. and keys. which you know, you touch a lot after you touch other things. but also, it requires staying home if you're sick. those are some of the things that you can do if you're ill. but now, as we go, as we see increased spread, especially local spread, we've got think about the next level. we've got to think about how we greet people. do we move, instead of handshakes, to elbow bumps like we did during the ebola outbreak. >> very tough to say to an italian-american that you have to leave each other alone but i saw a video on facebook from an

italian grandmother who said instead of touching, you give a wink. it is part of the common sense protocol. you got to be smart right now and doing your part to make things better. you're right to put the message out. dr. vivek murthy, please be available from time to time so you can join us and give us the latest. >> giving you the wink. and another top official from the obama air, a former white house chief economist. what's going on with this? is this momentary what's going on? is this playing the panic game? what's going on in the markets? what do we have to look for in terms of what would cause real economic problems that are long-lasting? next. we're oscar mayer deli fresh, and you may know us from your very first sandwich, your mammoth masterpiece, and whatever this was. oscar mayer is found in more fridges than anyone else, because it's the taste you count on. make every sandwich count.

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and now, we have this oil crash that has been different than anything we've seen in almost 30 years. after trying to spin this one-two punch as good news, the president is now pushing a plan to cut payroll taxes. now, is that a response to coronavirus? or is it what trump said he was considering last year? because he's giving mixed messages on this, too. the fica line, we're talking about, on your paycheck, that funds so-called entitlements, programs like medicare, and social security, is this a way to cut that, to make it look like something else? or am i being cynical? austin goolsby is the big brain from the university of chicago, he was chief white house economic adviser to president obama, professor, you and i met each other back during the great recession. in fact, i remember asking you back then, how is it not a

recession? how is not a depression? what's the difference? and we went from there. so when we look at the market today, how much of this is proof of long-term pain, versus unpredictable and rapid market cycles just trading, just talking the trading, the trading markets, the economy itself. >> i think it's more than just day traders that were a blip, but it doesn't have to be that people expect a long-lived recession. i think what everybody is recognizing with coronavirus and they're looking at italy, and they're looking at china and they're looking at korea, where you're shutting down and quarantining millions of people and then they apply that to the u.s. economy, where so much of our economy is dominated by services, which are exactly the kinds of things that shut down when you go into the quarantine, and i think that is the, that's

the big fear, that people look at it and say whoa, even if this thing lightens up, when you get to the summer, and we're all hopeful that it's more like a flu, and less like ebola, and that in the summer, maybe the infection rate will slow down, even if they slow down for the next two or three months, it is going to be a real nasty trip. >> so the president says one of the things i'm thinking of do issing is payroll taxes. now that's a tricky thing to do when he already gave that big tax cut and now you got a big deficit. do you believe that's coronavirus responsive or another way to get to the spending cuts that he wanted to do but now he has an excuse to do it? >> boy, i certainly hope it's not that. i've seen in the president's budget a proposed cuts to medicare, cuts to social security, things like that, i really hope it's not that. i'm glad that the white house is thinking about let's call it economic means of addressing

some of these coronavirus issues. i think this is off base for a few reasons. number one, even if you gave a payroll tax cut, in an environment where we're telling everyone, don't go outside, don't go to services -- >> who's going to spend it? >> don't go to sporting events. that's a mixed message. two, this doesn't go out the door very quickly. the cut in the fica line of your paycheck is going to dribble out over weeks. it's not a one-time thing. >> right and if they wanted to target -- >> what if you don't have a job? what if you get laid off? you don't pay payroll. now what happens? >> but isn't the direct approach, hey, employers, we're going to step up and create a fund where you got a million ways to spend money in government, and you will your workers paid leave when they have to go on quarantine, you will not have it both ways, you will not have someone self quarantine and not getting paid. >> that's right. >> and everybody gets, the

states who need help, step up. aren't those the obvious moves? >> i think those are the obvious moves. here's the thing about virus economics which is different from normal economics. in a normal recession, you don't know what the cause is. there's not an obvious time period that it's going to take place, and then go away. so you engage in stimulus. the thing about virus economics is the best thing you can do for the economy has nothing to do with the economy. it is it to slow the rate of spread of the virus. it is to allow people to stay home when they're sick and not go bankrupt, not lose their job. so we got to engage in getting the tests, and slowing the rate of spread of this virus. and that is doable. you can't stop the virus from spreading at all. but you can slow it down. you can get us to the summer when the rates of infection may be lower. and i don't understand at all why the president is going out

and saying well, we only have 14 cases, and pretty soon, that's going to be zero. it's totally, it's just completely false, and it's encouraging people to do things that are actually making the virus spread. >> the opposite of what he needs to do because we all know the case numbers are going to pop. push the testing. let the people see the big numbers and see how many people recover and will be less freaked out and you know better than i ever will, perception is everything on wall street. austin, appreciate a few minutes of your time tonight. i'll be calling on you again because this will keep go ig and we're going to need press perspective. >> great to see you again, chris. >> all right. you may have noticed we have held off on calling this crisis a pandemic. why? there was a reason why we weren't using and there is a reason why we're now using it, and it has nothing to do with spreading panic. it is about helping to prepare, and being real with you.

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a favorite poem of mine is "if" by rudyard kip ling. if you can deal with being told that coronavirus is nothing, and that it's going to be like the plague, then treat those both the same, because they are both impostors. that will serve you best. remind us, this is fine, says the president, it's going to dwindle down. that's not true. oh, no, everything is going to be terrible. that's not true. now, the word pandemic sounds bad. cnn, yes, is now calling this a pandemic. why? well, let's go to the president. talking about whether you should get on a cruise ship. >> we want them to travel. we want people to travel to certain locations, and not to other locations at this moment. >> his own state department says

it doesn't matter where you go. the worry is u.s. citizens should not travel by cruise ship d the state department says the opposite. why am i saying calling it a pandemic when it is a scary word. straight answers. being real with you. we believe you can handle the truth. that reality, you can deal. with not knowing whether you can trust what you're being told can scare the hell out of you. that's why people like dr. sanjay gupta are so important to us, and as always, brother, happy to have you. pandemic. scary word. why the heck do we have to say it? >> well, because it's true. that's the bottom line. and you know, look, public health officials have been telling me, many of them off the record initially, and now, more and more of them on the record, that we are dealing with a pandemic. >> pandemic means we're all going to die, it sounds like. >> no, that's the thing. people, i think part of the hesitation for people using this word is because they worry that it's going to incite panic and understandable, it's a scary word but it is worth looking at

the definition and look at what is happening and look at the context. and let's look at criteria a new virus that can cause illness or death. would he know that's the case. sustained human to human transmission. we've seen that now. obviously in china. and there's evidence of it here in this country. and italy. and south korea. and then the last one, evidence of that sustained transmission in distinct locations around the world. that's happening. it's a pandemic. i mean look, it doesn't necessarily, just because it's widespread gives no indication of how lethal, how many people will die. people oftentimes commingle all of these terms together. it just really talks about the fact that a new pathogen, chris, is circum navigating the globe. it has got no, gotten into ever continent except antarctica. and sustaining. and it is spreading. and i spread it to you and you spread to other people. and four or five generations, it

spreads. >> and at this point i'm hoping to see somebody make it through and the normative behavior over 80% of the time. i'm sure that is something that a lot of people in my audience would like to see also but different reason. let me ask you something else and keep you over the break, if you don't mind. one is seasonal sensitivity, what it means, and why is it something, where i want to know whether the president has been tested for coronavirus, and where he is touching these guys. >> the seasonal one first? >> yes, you're the doctor. >> and you're the interrogator, my enthat in the nicest way. we don't know if this is going to go away when the weather gets warmer. and the reason is because the coronavirus virus, and then sars, started to have a peak in april and start to diminish. and the question is, this is a coronavirus, and could the same thing happen here? and it might. but you know, the reason we keep

saying novel in front of coronavirus is because it is a new virus and we don't know exactly how it is going to behave. that map that you just showed, the world map, if you notice, you know, most of the cases are still in the northern hemisphere, where the weather is kaller. you are starting to see some now further down but fewer numbers of cases in the southern hemisphere. maybe that is an indication it is more of a colder weather virus. we don't know yet. that would be the hope. >> let's take a break and come back and we will deal with the president's issue. >> we got it. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thank you. we will take a quick break. we'll come back. more of the common questions that are out there, because it's all about information. i have complete confidence that as long as you're given a straight deal, you will take care of yourself and the people you care about, and we're going to be fine. it is not getting the real deal, not knowing whether the president is or is not tested, it's not right. ♪ ♪ you work hard for your money.

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there's a lot of misinformation going on about coronavirus. so let's bring back sanjay to sort out fact from fiction. let's deal with what we left at the break. when with left, i wanted to know from sanjay, you know, whether it's wrong for us to be pushing to hear about whether the president's been tested for coronavirus when he is touching people who are now self-quarantining. i mean, we only have one. god willing, we need him healthy. >> yeah. no. i think it's a very fair question. i was surprised a little bit at that press conference, no one really seemed to know whether or not the president had been tested. vice president pence initially thought the question was about whether or not he had been tested. so i was surprised they didn't know the answer to that and i don't know that we still know the answer to that. let me make this point, play this out going forward a bit. who should be tested,

ultimately, we're still short on tests but who should get tested? so somebody who tests positive, has contact with somebody and then they have contact with other people. now, second-generation, should the second-generation person always get tested? i'm not sure. i think raregardless of whether it's the president or not, i think a lot of docs may may make the case you can't test all second-generation folks. let's monitor them. it's very unlikely they will have the infection. possible? yes, of course, for all the reasons you are talking about. but i think one could medically make the argument that it's not necessarily appropriate to test everyone who is in the second-generation category, as the president is in this particular situation. >> what happens? so then what do you do? god forbid, i hope schlapp and all those guys, and gaetz and everybody else, mark meadows. if one of them gets sick, then do you test them? >> if one of them is positive, because they've been tested.

i don't think the results have come back. >> yeah but it could be too early. >> yeah. it could be too early. if they get tested and at some point one of them comes back positive, now the president's had contact with someone who is positive. but again, some of this evolving i think opeven as i talk to my infectious disease colleagues, it's become a crucial question who do we actual will use the tests for? >> all right. here is a practical consideration. i don't know where to go. i don't know what to do. they may close my kids' schools. should i go on spring break? you know, is gupta going to go somewhere where there is family? or you going to come up to new york and stay with me out east and i'll finally put some meat on those quads for you in the gym? how do you make a decision about where to go somewhere or not? >> you know, there is so in different components to this, right? so first of all, looking at just ar air travel. let's say i am flying. you and i have talked about this. i think it's fair to say the air

in the cabin itself is pretty safe. some could argue even safer than most office buildings. >> people think you get more on planes and you're trapped. >> the idea that you are clustering next to people. that's the concern on planes and in the terminal and other places. and i think, there, the basic flu cautions do, they hold. this isn't like measles where it kind of gets into the particles get on the dust and they stay airborne. it's a respiratory droplet. you see it. you're sick, you stay home. i do think with elderly people right now, people in their 70s and 7880s in particular or with these conditions, heart disease, lung disease, die approximaabet hypertension. i think they, for the next few weeks, should be staying at home as much as possible. i don't think you want to take the joy out of their lives but

the idea going to crowded places where you might come in contact with the virus, just got to use your judgment in terms of using that risk. for other people, i think people will probably still continue to travel. i think if you're young, if your family is relatively young, i think it's still okay to go on spring break and fly on a plane to do so. >> my invitation stands, sanjay gupta. >> i need some meat on the quads. you're right about that. >> you are one of the most complete, beautiful human beings i've ever been around in my life. you take care. thank you for the invitation. thank you for the information. you can thank me for the invitation. it stands. you want to come up, you come. >> i will. >> we're going to take a break. i want to update you on a guest that we had on last week. she self-quarantined. she was worried about her mother. she thinks she has coronavirus. we have new information and may also help answer some of your questions. next. i can breathe again! ahhhh! i can breathe again! ughh!

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bolo. that means be on the lookout. remember karen gohene. she joined us on the show last week. self-quarantined. she hadn't been tested but she's a nurse. and she knew the high fever and body aches made it likely.

we checked in with her. i got good news. she was tested and has coronavirus. why is that good news? you remember her? you remember how she looked? you remember how she was dealing with it? she says she is getting better. her spirits are okay. she had to stay home with just symptomatic care and she is doing fine. and she's getting better. she isolated herself from others to not spread. there's the look on her beautiful face. and that was right when she was starting to deal with even the return, in the afternoon, of more fever. she caught it, and this is the key part, days after visiting her money at that kirkland nursing home, what's now the epicenter of the outbreak in washington. her mother is waiting on lab results. look. helen's going to beat it. she is worried about her mother, and rightly so. you are going to see, overwhelmingly, when you see more cases that helens are much more like -- karen -- sorry, karens are much more likely than anything worse. that's why we pushed the administration to test and to tell the truth about the number

of cases. keeping the number down does nobody any good. they're going to learn the truth. the threat shouldn't be taken lightly. but all the hype and panic. it's exacerbated by the administration mishandling the crisis and the president's lies. tell the truth and we'll all be healthier for it. thank you for watching tonight. cnn tonight with d lemon. >> give me the right information. right information. i got to tell you. so i traveled this weekend, right? you didn't see me on thursday and friday. we were trying to get tickets on a airplane, obviously, tickets on an airplane. no trouble. we actually took -- we transferred from one airport to another. seats were open. got the seats that we wanted. got to sit next to each other. checked the tickets, there were 26 seats on airplane. hot hoteloo