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cweertainly have a responsibility to report the facts and the truth. but we can't do that if we face heavy-handed government threats, interference, and badgering. please, join cnn on my freedom day and let us know what freedom means to you. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. out front next, president trump about to address the nation as a top health official says coronavirus is going to get worse. will the president be on the same page as the experts? nearly two dozen states tonight declaring states of emergency. schools and businesses shut down. the ncaa announcing a ban on fans for march madness. but will this slow the spread? plus, the dow officially entering bare market territory today. down 20% already. is this the new normal? let's go out front. good evening i'm "erin burnett outfront" tonight is president trump is planning to address the coronavirus crisis tonight. a plan briefing from the vice president who is heading up the
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coronavirus response was actually cancelled earlier tonight. this as the world health as just declared a coronavirus pandemic. there are now 118,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths worldwide. here in the united states, the number is growing. there are now 1,209 declared cases and 37 deaths. and the cdc said today it will get worse. >> i can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now. how much worse will get? will depend on our ability to do two things. to contain the influx of people who are infected coming from the outside, and the ability to contain and mitigate within our own country. bottom line, it's going to get worse. >> and very clear there on that bottom line. well, here's the president's solution thus far tonight. >> we're going to have to do something with respect to
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getting this -- getting rid of this virus as quickly as possible. and as safely as possible. >> something. well, according to the world health organization, that something included testing. the w.h.o. says that early testing is the key. the key to making sure that things do not spiral out of control. but getting a test in the united states was close to impossible for weeks. fewer than 6,000 tests were administered as of this past friday. and even now, as the trump administration touts that it is on track to have 4 million tests distributed by the end of this week, the context for that number is that there are 325 million people in the united states. and the people who do get tested typically use at least two tests. >> we're not in a position where we can rely on the cdc or the fda to manage this testing protocol. >> we have been really hampered at the early stages of this because we did not have enough testing. >> let me be clear about one thing. i am very frustrated with the
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federal government. we have not received enough tests. >> the illinois governor you saw that, he will be my guest later in the show. first, though, i want to go to kaitlan collins at the white house. so, kaitlan, the president going to address the nation tonight. what do you expect to hear? >> well, erin, the president started pushing for that address this morning, though it had not been on the radar for aides who have been tasked with handling the coronavirus response. but it comes after he had been telling his economic team he wanted to do something big here. we know they haven't finalized any kind of package yet for fiscal stimulus yet. the president has also been hinting, though, that he might take some kind of executive action when it comes to this instead of waiting on lawmakers. because he's been frustrated there wasn't any consensus reached. there is also a chance he says something about china because his aides have been pushing him to be tougher on them. his top two national security
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aides, hold them responsible saying they helped the world miss out on a lot of response time for this. but regardless of what the president says, this is an oval office address during an outbreak that is spreading across the nation. and it is really going to be a test of his willingness to meet the moment here. and we should note that there is this sense of urgency inside the white house about this today. but what we are told by several people around the president is it seems to have more to do with the negative coverage he's seeing of their response so far than it does with any kind of reckoning he's had about this outbreak after downplaying it for weeks. >> all right. thank you very much, kaitlan. tonight, local officials are working hard to contain the spread of the virus at the site of the largest cluster in the united states. eric hill is out front there in new rochelle, new york. >> life is changing quickly and drastically. >> it is a scary time. >> perhaps nowhere is that more obvious than in this new york suburb. home to the state's largest cluster of positive coronavirus cases.
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and a new one-mile containment zone. >> we hope and expect that the measures that have been put in place will be helpful in mitigating the spread of the virus. >> at the center of that zone, the synagogue where the first positive case in new rochelle, a man in his 50s, attended services just before his diagnosis. and while the area is not on lockdown, large gatherings have been restricted and some schools are closed. >> we really need to take more aggressive actions. this is not going away on its own. >> the focus on large gatherings, worship services, school events, upcoming st. patrick's day celebrations, extends far beyond new rochelle. san francisco is limiting events to less than a thousand people. in three counties in washington state, the crowds will be even smaller. nothing over 250 people, by order of the governor. and seattle schools will close thursday for two weeks. >> it is clear that our state needs a more vigorous and more
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comprehensive and more aggressive position if we are going to slow the spread of this epidemic. >> meantime, the number of those infected exploded as more are tested. ten long-term care facilities in washington state, now reporting positive cases. a canadian passenger from the grand princess, who was allowed to fly home because they did not show signs of the virus, tested positive upon arrival. others from that ship, settling in for a protective two-week quarantine at air base in georgia. they are among the more than 2,000 passengers who will be monitored at multiple bases for the next 14 days. >> whenever you have an outbreak that you can start seeing community spread, when you have enough of that, then it becomes a situation where you're not going to be able to effectively and efficiently contain it. it makes the challenge much greater. >> erin, part of that challenge, as you pointed out, is the testing.
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governor cuomo say a satellite testing facility will be set up here in new rochelle as part of that containment zone. just to illustrate what folks are dealing with here, i spoke with a woman earlier today who said she was feeling symptoms for four or five days. once she realized there was a containment zone, she was in it. she wanted to make sure she wouldn't affect anyone in the community. she called her doctor, who told her to call the hospital coronavirus line. she did. she said they seemed to be using a questionnaire and criteria from weeks ago. she said it sounded like something from february. they told her to call the county department of health. she did. the county department of health sent her back to her primary care physician. she said she couldn't get an answer. she couldn't get a test. and while she's feeling better, again, her concern are all the other people in her community. and she wants to make sure she is being responsible and doesn't want to infect anyone unknowingly. >> all right. erica, thank you very much. and i am going to go now to sanjay gupta. he is here with me tonight along with director of the stanford health initiative and former cdc control detective and dr.
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william schaffner professor at vanderbilt medical center. so what does that actually mean in practice? is this words? or is this more? >> we don't know. i mean, there's been presidential emergencies declared before. you typically think about them in the wake of storms and things like that. and in some ways, this is being treated like a storm. you know, we can sort of see what's coming. we got to sort of prepare for that. but i think there's two big issues. erica just brought up one of the big ones we've been talk about for weeks. the testing. we still don't know exactly what's gone on with the testing. why it's still so slow. obviously, people still having trouble getting tested. >> in the middle of the biggest cluster of the united states unable to get a test. >> i'm getting calls from colleagues or physicians who are saying this exact thing. we want to be able to do this. we think this person deserves a test based on the criteria, can't get them. is there something that can be
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done to accelerate that process once and for all? the second thing is something, again, that we have talked about is like what's going to happen to these hospitals as all these patients come in? are there enough beds? is there enough intensive care? and breathing machines, in particular. we've done the calculations. we seem short right now. >> 100,000 around the country. that's the limit on those. >> on the beds, there's about 100,000 icu beds. predictions are that we will need close to 200,000. we have about the right number of ventilators but a lot of them are being used because it's flu season. so i think those types of things might be a good use if this happens, a national emergency, to put that national emergency good direction. >> so, dr. yasmin, you heard dr. fauci of the cdc at the beginning of the program. he said this will get a lot worse. so what exactly what does that mean? when you hear him say that, what does that mean to you? >> on one hand, we know the number of cases is going to increase, erin, because now we are starting to do a bit more testing. it still seemed delayed and a lot less than we would like but
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it's normal in the course of an epidemic where we start to reach a peak where we have the most number of cases and we then start to see a decline. the question i keep being asked is when will we reach that peak? how many people will become infected and have died at that point? at this point, it's a new virus and we just don't know. what we do know, erin, is that the first days, first moments of an epidemic response are absolutely crucial in framing how you are going to get a handle on this. and we have seen delay after delay. particularly, with the testing. the virus moves fast. and we're not moving fast enough. >> doctor, i know someone at vanderbilt medical center has tested positive for coronavirus and i believe is at home recovering. but do you feel like you're able to get all the texsts that you need even for the people on the front lines? >> well, testing is underway both at my medical center and the state health department. we're not testing people without symptoms. we're testing people who have at least some symptoms.
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testing is very important. we need to find out how widely distributed this virus is. not only in my state but across the country. and then when we get a handle on that, we will have a better idea of where to focus our interventions. >> sanjay, the world health organization, today, declared it a pandemic. i want to be clear you actually did that a few days ago. so -- so what does this mean when you are looking at just the spread and the numbers of what we're talking about, where we're going versus where we are? >> well, i think there's one important thing to remember about pandemics. it's -- it's really talking about the spread, really, alone. not necessarily the lethality of this. immediately is one of those terms that couldn't jnjures up understandably. >> people think of death. >> you think of death. and i don't want to minimize it because obviously there are people who are getting very sick and even dying from this. this was really about the spread. when we did the calculations, looked at the evidence of community spread in countries around the world, it met the criteria for pandemic. but i think more practically speaking, you know, while there
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is still maybe communities around the world where containment is sort of the name of the game, i think this is an acceptance that this is spreading. and the numbers are going to increase everywhere around the world. and we need to be prepared. i mean, that's the whole thing. people keep using this term flattening of the curve. what that means is, you know, luckily, hopefully, we don't see this big peak of cases. they all come at once. you know, millions of cases at once. >> you're trying to spread out when it happens. it's still going to get through the whole population. it is a matter of how quickly. >> in a more grated sort of manner as opposed to all at once. >> dr. yasmin, when the world health organization is talking about testing being crucial to stop the spread, how much more testing, right? they said 4 million. they have been saying that by the end of the week, that's what we are going to have. you have 325 million americans. obviously, some of them are at risk of getting very sick and many are not. how many tests d do you need to able to adequately test the
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united states, given that each person uses a couple of tests on average? >> yeah. very important question. and it's not just about the availability of the test. it's also about the testing protocols. and who you'll allow to give a test to and what i am hearing right now from very frustrated physicians and nurses, erin, is that they want to test more people and they're currently being guided to. so right now, the protocol seems quite narrow and the concern is that even with the availability of more test kits, hopefully, that they still feel like with those guidelines, they'll missing many of the people that could be infected. >> so, doctor, when you look at this and people at home are trying to understand and you look at the numbers now with a few thousand cases and not much testing. everyone knows it's more widespread than that. then you look at scenarios such as sanjay lays out where you could have many more people than you do have room for beds. what's the timeline here for when we're going to know if that is the scenario we're looking at and overtaxed healthcare system across the country? >> well, i think we'll see a lot
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in the next week, week and a half, two weeks, three weeks. and it'll be very important to see whether we can, as sanjay says, dampen that curve so we can stretch things out so the healthcare system can deal with it. we've done this before. we've done it with hong kong flu. we've done it with 2009 h1n1 so we've all got pandemic-preparedness plans ready. we've rehearsed them. and we're putting them into place. ready to go. >> all right. thank you, all, very much. of course, 2009, right, h1n1 swine flu, 61 million americans were exposed to it. 12,000 deaths. but this country did get through that. next, a top homeland security official says u.s. travel restrictions for europe are now under discussion. their words, as seattle announces it's closing all public schools. and breaking news about one of the biggest sports events in the united states. ncaa banning fans from attending march madness games. plus, how one person may have
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warnings against big crowds. in washington, d.c. where there are ten cases of coronavirus known, fans will be allowed to attend games as usual. leyla santiago is out front. obviously, the city and team not seeing eye to eye here. >> right. nhl and nba still planning to have games here. still planning on hosting fans here. but it'll interesting to see if they move forward with that. which is what the wizards and the capitals teams' owners is the plan. who will actually show up given the really stern warnings the city has put out. the mayor says any mass gathering, that's anything above a thousand people, should be postponed or should be cancelled. to give you an idea, this is an arena that, at capacity, is about 20,000. so this is big. big for businesses. also, big for the people, should they show up, who will be sitting right next to each other crowding concessions, and
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bathrooms, et cetera. mayor saying this type of event doesn't really help the overall goal, which is to flat ten that curve and contain this virus. but for its part, the teams are saying, look, we are taking extra precautions when it comes to cleaning. we are following the league guidelines when it comes to the locker rooms. and until the leagues update their guidelines, we will do so accordingly. if they update them, they will update. the mayor, today, in a news conference asked about this, and she insisted she was very quick to emphasize she has the power to shut it down. she's not doing that just yet. urging people to voluntarily take precautions and letting the public know that she's a fan of the teams, not a fan of these events right now. so we'll have to wait and see tomorrow as the game is scheduled if it'll look more like this or if there will be fans pouring in and out. >> thank you very much.
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leyla points out 20,000 people in the arenas. you could look at this a lot of ways. you could look at it as large gatherings are where this spreads. how do you get this right as public health? >> it's a tough call. i mean, and there's not national guidance on this. so you are seeing, you know, this sort of community handling it ad hoc, essentially. we saw what governor cuomo did here in new york with the containment zone. there is a couple things to consider. obviously, we don't know how many people are obviously infected. the number's probably a lot higher. it's very hard to create social distance within these -- within these arenas. i mean, people are on top of each other. >> yeah. >> people come from other areas and then they go back to those other areas. so if there is a source of infection, all of a sudden, you may see other communities in the area or out of states. finally, let's say somebody does
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come back as testing positive in a certain area of the arena. contact tracing them, trying to find out who they came in contact with, quarantines for people. the social disruption here is something you have to take into consideration. even if i don't think i'm going to get sick, might i get wrapped up in all of that? it's a possibility. >> and how long could we see the coronavirus impact large events like this? it is a big question because of the huge economic impact these events have. i mean, if you take march madness, largest sporting event really in its whole in this country. >> yeah. erin, the goal is always to try and promote the functioning of life as we know it. as much normality as possible. with that, trying to mitigate the spread and trying to protect as many people's health as possible. it is a tough call, as sanjay says. but this could be our new normal for the next few weeks if not into the next month or so. and i am saying that based on what we are seeing from other countries. particularly, when there hasn't been a quick jump on the epidemic response early on. like i said earlier, that call to action early on is really,
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really important in getting a handle on the epidemic. it feels like we have totally missed the ball on that, unfortunately. and now we are playing catchup and that does sadly mean more disruption to normal life. >> seattle a es chosing all public schools. the death toll, 29 in washington state. just a tragedy there. obviously, those deaths, most of them connected to nursing homes. closing public school systems, though, is perhaps one of the most economically disruptive things you can do. even doctors and nurses, right, who their ability to go to work is compromised by the closing of public schools. they don't do that lightly in seattle. is that something that you think will happen more broadly? >> well, erin, you describe it very well. there is a great deal of social and economic disruption that comes along. nobody's a fan of this coronavirus. it does that. it will go on for quite some time. and it could be a month. it could be even longer. we don't know whether this coronavirus has read the te
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textbooks and is scheduled to go away along with flu in the spring. we will just have to see. we're in for a tough time for a while. >> so -- so, sanjay, i want to just ask you because this is just coming in. acting homeland security deputy secretary ken cucinelli is saying tonight that travel restrictions to europe are under discussion. obviously, italy is in lockdown but europe is an open-borders place. and it may come up with president trump tonight. do you think that that's a smart move? >> the -- the -- you know, we did see evidence of the benefit when we had some of these travel restrictions, obviously, from china initially. i mean, you know, president trump talks act thbout that qui bit. coronavirus task force uses that as an example of why they think they have been able to limit cases. again, we don't know because we haven't had adequate surveillance in this country. but i've seen some of these same discussions happening for some time now. it would not surprise me if they carry forth with this. at least for a short period of
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time. >> dr. schaffner schaffner, would you agree? >> yes, i certainly agree. we don't know how much there is out there but these quarantine issues and the travel bans, i think, really bought us some time. we'll see if we can benefit from that. >> all right. thank you, all, very much. and you can learn more about the coronavirus, sanjay's podcast coronavirus fact versus fiction. and next, the national guard moving into a community outside of new york city. health officials tracing dozens of cases back to one lawyer. >> took off like fire through dry grass. >> and a stunning cnn investigation tonight. u.s. workers, without proper gear, assisted people who were evacuated from the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in china. wait until you see where they went after working in the quarantine zone. got the office birthday blues?
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flu. >> it is ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu. i think that's something that people can get their arms around and understand. >> and tonight, there are 24 states across the country, plus washington, d.c., which have declared states of emergency because of the coronavirus. including illinois. the number of known cases there has grown to at least 25. out front now, the democratic governor of illinois, and governor, i appreciate your time. you know, we saw a brief clip of you at the top of our program. talking about your frustration on testing. you called earlier today for the federal government to rise to the -- this occasion. those were your words. what do you want to hear tonight from president trump? >> well, i am very frustrated. and i want to hear president trump address the fact that we do not have the tests that we need to test all of the people who need them. and want them. he said that a little while ago. maybe a week or two ago.
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that, well, everyone who needs a test can get a test. well, the truth of the matter is that we only have a few thousand tests total. so we have had to make sure we do lots of other testing before we even get to a coronavirus test. and there are many people in illinois or need or want those tests that can't get them. what i am most frustrated about is the federal government has completely mishandled the testing. there aren't enough -- there aren't enough rna extraction kits or test kits or tests and the result is that we've been left on our own. if he had let our great research institutions, our hospitals, right here in the state of illinois, not to mention around the country, develop our own tests, we would have been much further along but they banned that early on. i think they have given up on that now. but it's late. >> well, right. obviously, for people, there's just a knowledge factor here that would reduce stigma and -- and -- and be economically crucial in tests. and also, for people who aren't getting tests who may have it, time is of the essence, as we
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know. you look at fauci talking about the death rate being ten times that of the seasonal flu. president trump's former homeland security advisor tom bossert, governor, warned in an op-ed that the u.s. is running out of time. and he says, in part, and i'm quoting tom bossert, simply put, as evidence of human-to-human transmission becomes clear a in community, officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions. time matters. two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. do you think there is still time, from where you sit, governor, to turn things around? >> well, here's what i can say, is that i think governors around the country have done a very good job of trying to stay out of this. we, in illinois, have been working on this, frankly, since last summer when we did tabletop exercises. imagining a pandemic that might take place. something coming from asia. and we had all of our agencies around the table, figuring out what would we do? so in january, when we first
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learned of this, we began working on the plan that had been developed that last summer. so we've done a good job of staying ahead of it. there's more that we can do and will do. but my great concern, now, is that, as you are pointing out, that time is of the essence. we've got to make sure we've got hospital beds available to us. that we've got places we can self-isolate for people. you know, we have couples that have had to be separated. one suspected, potentially, of getting coronavirus. and another that can't be in the vicinity of their spouse. we need to separate them, provide them housing. we also need to provide unemployment benefits. this is something the federal government should and could get on, right now. there ought to be a declaration of an emergency around coronavirus, which will unlock our ability to provide unemployment benefits for people who are living paycheck to paycheck but are being asked to stay home perhaps for 14 days. 14 days is a very long time not
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to get one. >> governor, as of right now, you have 25 confirmed cases. obviously, there are more cases than ha in illinois. we know that just because of this testing issue, right? if you are showing that many, you have many more. do you have any sense of how big the number is? and when you look at hospitals, do you have any issues there at this point? i mean, what is the real number in illinois? >> well, we don't know. because although we are doing what's called sentinel surveillance, our hospitals are testing to -- to see what the incidence of this is in communities. the truth of the matter is we don't really know because we don't have enough tests. if we had more tests available, if the reagent, rna extraction kits were available, we'd have much more information. but let's remember, about 80% of the people who get this recover and do just fine. we have people who get it, though, who are elderly, who are immuno suppressed, you have heard this from the doctors who don't do fine. and so we've got to make sure we have got those hospital beds ready. and that means we've got to
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optimize our healthcare system. we want people who might have the flu or a cold or some other condition to recover from those things or not get them in the first place. and not go to the hospital if they don't need to so that we can make sure we have availability for people who might have coronavirus and need to be isolated. >> governor, i appreciate your time. thank you, sir. >> thank you, erin. >> here in new york, there is a race to contain the coronavirus. i told you earlier about new rochelle. it has now turned into a containment zone. dozens of cases there. the biggest cluster in the united states and they all may be linked to one person. >> the coronavirus catapulting the new york city suburb of new rochelle into the national spotlight. the number of cases here continues to spike with a majority of them tracing back to a 50-year-old lawyer who tested positive earlier this month. >> new rochelle has about three times the number of cases of new york city. >> lawrence, identified by his
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wife in a facebook post, did not know he had the virus. after retracing his steps, state health officials realized he commuted to new york city where he is a partner at a law firm. he attended a service at this local temple and eventually, he went to an area hospital with symptoms of pneumonia. doctors treated him for several days before he tested positive for coronavirus. his wife saying in the post, she believes he was, quote, run down and susceptible to the illness. two days after his diagnosis, on march 4th, she, along with their two children, a neighbor, and friends, all tested positive. >> it took off like fire through dry grass. >> now, about one week later, more than 100 people in new rochelle have the fires. more than half trace back to the lawyer and about a thousand people are under quarantine. tamara wineburg is among them. >> what day are you on right now? >> i don't even know. the thing about quarantine is that every day feels like
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someday. >> wineburg, a member of the synagogue, the center point of the containment zone. in an aggressive move to curtail the virus, the state ordered schools within a mile radius of the temple to close. an estimated 5,500 students are impacted. places of worship like young israel are shut down. the national guard is being deployed to assist the city with cleaning public spaces. a testing facility will also open within the designated area. >> you can't manage what you can't measure. >> some residents, still questioning is it enough? like this mother, her soon's school outside the containment zone remains open. >> maybe they just close two or three days to go clean. >> posting tuesday she hopes her husband is, quote, a messenger of something good. that his illness was able to make us all aware of the problem. he remains in critical condition in the hospital. and officials stress this is a containment, not a lockdown. that means people will still be able to come and go from the
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designated area. will even more enforcement be needed to get a handle on this? that's what some local residents are asking. and, in some cases, are calling for. erin. >> all right. brynn, thank you very much. cnn has reached out to his wife. you heard her mention there with her facebook post. we have tried several times. we have not heard backment out front next, first responders in the u.s. were ill prepared and not properly protected to handle the coronavirus outbreak evacuees from china. this is a cnn investigation and what they told us, what you'll hear, is frightening. plus, the bare market is here. fear and uncertainty driving stocks even lower today. the overall plunge now, 20% from coronavirus. how long will it last? the sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now. can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it senses your movements and
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evacuated from the center of coronavirus outbreak in china. drew griffin is out front. >> when the first evacuees landed at travis airforce base from wuhan, china, they were met by a u.s. government team equipp equipped and ready to handle americans who may have been exposed to the deadly coronavirus. >> throughout their quarantine, we will be following cdc guidance for infection control. >> but that was not the case, according to three healthcare professionals who worked with the quarantined passengers. all three tell cnn medical staff were ill prepared, not given proper personal protective equipment, and all three say the lapse could have led to a possible spread of the virus if any of the passengers carried covid-19 back with them from china. among the complaints, no protective clothing, inadequate face masks used to prevent dust, not airborne germs. workers tell cnn even cleaning was inadequate. baby wipes, used to clean surfaces instead of medical-grade anti-bacterial
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wipes. and, though, advised to maintain a six-feet distance between themselves and evacuees, two of the sources say during the 14-day quarantine, that rule was not followed. failure to follow the proper procedures is troubling to infectious disease experts. especially, since it's believed even people showing no symptoms can spread this virus. >> we think that at least some people never show infection at all. never show symptoms of the infection. but they can spread the disease to others. >> cnn has obtained this after-action report filed with the department of health and human services by a disaster worker. stating that when the worker complained about the lack of protective equipment, the worker was told, if you don't feel comfortable, we'll find another job for you. >> anytime you have an epidemic of -- with a new pathogen, you're always going to have missteps. the key is making sure those missteps are not repeated over and over again. >> the sources speaking to cnn echo concerns raised by a whistle-blower from the u.s.
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department of health and human services, who filed a complaint about a different group of workers. saying more than a dozen people who worked with the first americans evacuated from china at two airforce bases were sent into quarantine areas without personal/protective equipment, training, or experience. the department of health and human services has launched an investigation into the complaints at both travis and march airforce bases in california. to include what protocols and procedures were followed at both facilities. >> it's really a disaster if we don't properly protect our healthcare workers. if they get sick, not only are they no longer able to care for patients but also, they can transmit the virus in their communities. so there's kind of a double threat to not caring for our healthcare force. >> an even bigger concern to the sources speaking to cnn is the possibility workers could have easily transmitted the virus outside travis air force base. claiming they left the
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quarantine area every day with no restrictions. wearing the same clothes, going straight to a starbucks on base, to local hotels. some, even enjoying day-off field trips to san francisco tourist spots, including alcatraz island. they are spraying down streets with bleach in china, one source told cnn. and we were out there wearing our uniforms. california's first-suspected community spread illness took place near travis air force base. it's still unclear how that person contracted the virus. and, erin, the quarantine workers talking to cnn did return to their civilian jobs. none have developed symptoms, nor have they been tested for coronavirus. erin. >> drew, thank you very much. it's amazing. and next, a new report says president trump went on an explosive tirade. with treasury secretary steve mnuchin with frustrations over the economy. with the stock market tanking again today, the president wants to do something big.
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tonight, i want to do something big. that is what president trump told his economic team, according to a senior white house official, and we could hear those plans in just, you know, moments from now, about on hour, the president is going to address the nation. as the dow is now in a bear market. that means it has fallen more than 20% since its most recent high. cutting the gains during president trump's presidency in half. "outfront" now, austan goolsbee, former chairman of the white house council of economic advisers under president obama. so, austan, he wants to do something big. we know he wants a payroll tax cut. is that big? i know he thinks that would obviously be possibly popular, but is that big right now? >> well, it depends what you're trying to do. personal personally, i think that in a business cycle driven by a virus, the greatest economic stimulus you can have is anything that slows the spread of that virus, so public health is where they should be putting their focus. i don't really see how giving a
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payroll tax cut when people are too afraid to go out and spend money and especially when the great risk is people losing their jobs and retirees getting hit and those people don't pay any payroll tax whatsoever. if that's what he called for, i'm going to. be a littledisapointed, you know, we got to get on it. >> according to the "washington post" the president went on a tirade, urging treasury secretary mnuchin, treasury secretary, to try to strongarm the fed to lower interest rates which, of course, the president tries to strongarm and do all the time. here he is. >> the fed should stimulate and the fed -- they should cut. i would say that the federal fund rate, the rate, as you would call it, is too high. it should be eased down. so that we're competitive. our fed has been a follower. we need a fed that's going to be a leader. we should have at least the same rates, and ideally, lower rates than other countries. >> those are all things he said
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and he's tweeted much -- much more bluntly, shall i say, since this started. but would cutting interest rates at this point, which, by the way, powell's already done once, would it do anything right now? >> very modest amount, you know, the president said far worse than that about the fed chair. he called him a dope, said he was an enemy of the state, stuff like that. >> yeah. >> if you remember, on this very program, we talked about that the problem of undermining the fed over and over is that when you actually get to a crisis, somebody needs to have some credibility. and so i think to cut the interest rate now, fine, i understand that's why the fed would want to do that, but do you really think that cruise line companies are going to go buy another cruise ship in the immediate term because the interest rate is lower? the thing driving the economy downward is the fear factor that everybody is withdrawing from the economy. and so that's why i say, the best economic stimulus that you can have is to slow the rate of
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spread of the virus. not lie about the test. south korea has shown us what you do. they've gotten the rate of spread of their virus well below other countries by doing extensive testing, being honest, and trying to get people to stop interacting if they're sick. >> so on this -- on this point, i know, in "the wall street journal" today, former vice chairman of the fed, saying basically, sounds like what you're saying, tests is what you need to do. going to have 4 million tests by the end of the week. he's making the fact, you have 325 million americans. you can get rid of the fear of who has it, who doesn't have it, people can continue with their economic lives if they're not sick or recovered and saying it would be much, much cheaper just to get those tests. >> absolutely. absolutely right. and, look, look at what's happened in italy. okay? so, when the virus first gets to italy, they're cavalier about it, they're letting people on and off of planes without being checked.
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if they had early on tried to slow the spread of the virus, like they did in south korea, they would, perhaps, not be in a position they're in now in which they're shutting down the entire economy and all stores except grocery stores and pharmacies. so, it would have been better and it would be better now for us to have a paid sick leave policy so people don't have to go to work when they're sick. that would be a great economic stimulus. >> all right. well, let's see what he says. thank you very much, austan. and next, president trump has instructed his top advisers to prepare dramatic action in response to the coronavirus threat, and he's going to address the nation. so what will he say? tax-smart investing, what's new? -well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents! we want to put money aside for them, so...change in plans. alright, let's see what we can adjust. ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. okay.
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global town hall," tomorrow night, dr. sanjay gupta and anderson cooper, "coronavirus facts and fears." you can watch that at 10:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. and thanks so much for joining us. "a.c. 360" starts now. good evening, in just about an hour president trump is scheduled to speak to the country from the oval office about the coronavirus outbreak. he's expected to lay out some sort of a plan of action in the face of what the world health organization today for the first time labeled a pandemic. in other words, an outbreak with potential to touch everyone. not just in america, but around the globe. today, it's hard to argue that it hasn't already. all day, hour after hour, there were new signs of how significantly life has changed already and could change even more in the days and weeks and months ahead. >> is the worst yet to come, dr. fauci? >> yes, it is. i can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now. bottom line, it's going to get worse.
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