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can attack anywhere. get fast relief here with primatene mist. available over the counter for mild ashtma. primatene mist. breathe easy again. good evening. when it comes to testing for the coronavirus this country is failing. you know this. we know this. any doctor on the front lines of the pandemic knows this. but today it was dr. anthony fauci admit what the vice president who heads the task force has not admitted. when it comes to testing for this virus, this country is failing. as the president said this is not time for politics. this is a time for truth,
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honesty, and facts. fact, our president has failed to take this virus seriously from the beginning, failed to get tests that worked into the hands of the medical professionals all across this country who needed them weeks ago. failed last week despite confident talk from the vice president of a million tests being shipped out and failed by the president saying anyone who wants a test can get one. how do we know this? because doctors and hospitals are telling us. because our own government can't tell us how many citizens have been tested. we know we're failing because we can compare our response to the responses like south korea that has tested 20 times more people than have been tested here. and the failure is made painful because we had warning that south korea and china and other hard hit countries did not. we saw what was happening there and did not do enough. our failure is a scary truth, but at least it is the truth. and listening to our president, the truth like the test for the virus, that is in short supply.
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today the president continued to lie about the availability of testing for the virus, and he did it even as dr. anthony fauci was telling the truth. here's what dr. fauci said. >> it is a failing. let's admit it. the fact is the way the system is set up is that the public health component that dr. r redfield was talking about was a system where you put it out there in the public and a physician asks for it and you get it. the idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countries are doing it, we're not set up for that. do i think we should be? yes. but we're not. >> that was about 11:15 this morning. less than an hour later, the president said this. >> testing has been going very smooth. if you go to the right agency, if you go to the right area, you get the test. we're very much ahead of everything. >> keep in mind that's just not true. i mean, that's a lie plain and simple. the president repeats it frequently and even some
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republican lawmakers are starting to lose patience. today after a closed door briefing by administration officials on the problem, democratic lawmakers came away frustrated and angry. said the president should stop saying anyone who wants a test can get one. it's not accurate, he said. it is not the truth. we might add inaccuracy, that lie does get heard by tens of millions of people here and around the world which is may be why as the president spoke markets were melting down on the way to the worst day for the dow industrial since 1987. they were already slumping after the oval office address last night. the president also did not tell the truth about americans arriving back home. >> we have a very heavily tested, if an american's coming back or anybody's coming back, we're testing. we have a tremendous testing set up where people coming in have to be tested. >> reporters of major airports
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have no evidence of testing today. nearly 1,600 people have tested positive for coronavirus in this country. the number is now rising sharply daily. but the truth is we have no idea what the actual number of infected people is because we do not have the tests. that tonight is the one unfortunate but central truth in all of this. all that and more in the hour ahead and later tonight on the two-hour town hall with dr. sanjay gupta. we begin now in new rochelle outside new york city with an containment zone has been established. all schools are closed through the 25th of the month and where sanjay gupta spent time today at a local hospital. he joins us now. you went into a hospital in the containment zone. what's the situation? >> we wanted to see. this is the largest cluster of patients now in the united states. we've been talking a lot about preparedness. are we ready for this? i decided to go to the hospital where the patients are and find out how the hospital's doing.
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>> dr. teresa madeline is the epidemiologist who manages new rochelle hospital and the ten other hospitals that make up the system. she gave us an exclusive look at the hospital which is now at the center one of the one tricep's largest virus outbreaks. on march 2nd, the first positive patient in west chester county appeared here in new rochelle, a 50-year-old attorney who works in manhattan. two days later his children and wife tested positive and his wife. by march 6th, the hospital received the first confirmed patient. not even a week later, there are now at least 148 positive patients in the county. >> if you look at those curves, thaw ki they kind of go like this and like this. >> that's right. >> that's what you're preparing for here? >> that's right. >> your icu is full. how are you going to handle this part of things?
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>> we have plans for transferring patients to different places if we need to. we have plans for setting up different areas in units if we have to do that. it's just a matter of keeping an eye on the situation all day every day and being ready to push the button at every moment. >> right now the hospital has one confirmed coronavirus patient and six other with symptoms they are closely monitoring. >> it started as a cold. i still don't know if i have it or not but it just started as a cold. and, you know, just want to be safe and just get checked out. >> here's the thing with every new or suspected patient, it comes down to resources. >> so, this has become a pretty precious commodity. >> ventilators, machines that can help patients breathe, are now in high demand. and you can't just move them to any room. you need back up power supply and of course you need an oxygen line. >> i think sharing of resources and thinking really creatively as not just our health system
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but what about nationally? i think we need to begin collaborating together and thinking about this on a larger scale. >> are you able to keep up? >> right now we are but certainly things change quickly and we're preparing for if e are sources get tight or it gets to be a surge capacity situation. >> so that means keeping things even like masks under lock and key. stocking up on gowns and cleaning wipes in warehouses. all of this at a premium during an outbreak. down to every last swab. >> we saw what happened in china. we hear about hospitals being filled to the brink really in italy and tough decisions being made about patients and patient care over there. do you anticipate that happening here? >> we certainly hope that we won't need to make tough decisions like that but we have to be prepared to do so. >> i imagine because at some point it comes down to somebody needs one may not be able to get it because someone else is deemed to be more likely to survive or younger or healthier
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or whatever. just got to be -- i just -- that's the hardest part i think in all this. >> it's heart wrenching. we're caregivers. we took an oath to take care of people and to have to ration resources is a very painful decision to make. but when we're given no choice, we try to collectively together make the best decisions that we can. >> do you have a sense of how access to testing or lack of access to testing is affecting this issue? >> yeah, very much so. a lot of the hospitals like this one, they're starting to try and develop their own testing protocols. they want to do testing on site because it's just taken too long. this containment zone, in part -- they really don't know know how widespread this is. this is why the governor took
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this aggressive action. if it's 148 it's got to be much larger than that. >> i want to bring in lena wynn, an emergency room fe situation and health commissioner for baltimore, maryland. what do you make of things today this hour right now compared to last time we spoke? >> i think there's been a seismic shift at least in terms of how people are understanding the situation we're in. there's a lot more seriousness. i mean, people are taking this seriously. >> people see the entire nba shutting down, people maybe not be watching news on a regular basis suddenly see a basketball game about to start and then being stopped, it starts to get more real. >> exactly and they see kids' schools being cancelled for weeks at a time. and they also see tom hanks. it's something that now feels very real. it could be us next. and i think that's the big shift, that we are seeing leaders make these difficult decisions that they have to because if they don't we are going to see these cases of
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overcapacity in hospital, these hard choices that you were describing. >> there are things -- one of the things i find hopeful in all this as difficult as it may be, as many people may die or get sick, this is not completely something from another planet that we had no idea how to mitigate, how to reduce. i mean, this is a relative -- though there's a lot we don't know about the virus, we know about viruses and what works to contain them. so, it's just a matter of doing the painful things necessary to do that. >> yeah. is that right? >> i think you're absolutely right. first of all it's not the existential threat that people have sometimes defined it on one side. but it is concerning. so, i think people have been sort of here or here on this for so long. now i think people are starting to realize this is serious. but also learning that we have actually made significant impact on previous pandemics by what seemed like maybe aggressive
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strategies but r have effective strategies. social distancing, the idea that, you know, if we can break this transmission from you as a host of the virus to me as a host of the virus can make a huge difference is very real. >> should this remain open in a city like new york city? i was in the gym today. someone came on the treadmill right next to me. there were other treadmills empty. i moved to another treadmill because i thought there's no reason to be right next to somebody. is that just -- there's a lot of places that are still open and people congregate. is that okay? >> i think there are a lot of places being shut down too. all these mass gathering today, we're hearing governors banning mass gathering across the country. those are the types of actions that can be take on a mass level. i believe there are individual actions that make a big difference. we shouldn't discount that. we should also get prepared for the next phase which is what happens when our relatives, our loved ones start getting ill too. right now this still feels
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remote for a lot of us who are just watching the news but we don't hear about outbreaks in our community. but it's only a matter of time. >> how do people prepare for that. >> we can start thinking about what happens if certain members of our family gets ill, who takes care of them? if a child gets sick, who's going to take care of them? what about the other kids in the family? these are hard things to think about but now is the time to prepare. those are the actions we can take to make a difference too. >> i've been talking to my parents just about every day. they're in their late 70s. because i'm the doctor in the family, they call me with medical questions anyway. now the conversation is evolving around this. it's a risk/reward proposition. i tell them they shouldn't go out as much as they used to. i told them they shouldn't go to crowded places. i don't want them to lose the joy in life either. i don't want social distancing to equal social isolation which i don't think anybody wants but
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i think we have to be mindful of that as well. i'm talking to them more than i ever have because i can't see them right now. i think that's what's happening across america. >> the thing i find hopeful is this is something that each of us can play a role in. this is not just something we sit and watch on television. this is something you can watch your hands repeatedly throughout the day. you are helping other people if you do that. >> yes. >> you don't horde sanitizer. if the supermarket has it, you don't buy the entire supply because you may have the entire supply but the people who are sitting next to you on the bus don't have that supply and they're going to make you sick nevertheless. so, you want to help other people to help yourself. >> that's right. and if you are young and healthy yourself, don't just think well it's not going to be so bad if i get it. that may be true, but you might be infecting other people around you too. keeping yourself healthy is an important part of the process of keeping people healthy too. >> we are more dependent on each other and have an obligation to
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each other too. how i behave effects you and how you behave effects me. >> it's time to play a role in forming community as we have in the past in wars and 9/11 and when we've been under attack. it's a chance to get together as opposed to isolate, separate, and divide further. >> 100%. >> doctors, thank you. appreciate it. as a reminder we're going to pick this up later tonight. coronavirus facts and fears, sanjay and i, dr. anthony fauci, patients plus your questions tonight. two hours tonight. watch it. coming up next a live report from the white house on the president's thinking the possibility he might have been exposed himself to the virus and more. former trump economic adviser gary cohn joins us with his insights on the markets and what may happen. later clarissa ward
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president saying he's understanding the gravity of the moment. and then today when he was in front of reporters he was back to this mode of wishful thinking and really just flat out misleading the public about what's going on. and i think a key part of that was when he was saying that testing was going smoothly even as dr. anthony fauci was testifying on capitol hill this has been a failing on the part of the administration. i talked to a couple of sources close to the task force who said essentially at this point anthony fauci is not in the dog house with the white house. they're not mad at him for leveling with the american people and expressing greatly needed candor. but you have to wonder at what point do people in the white house start getting frustrated with this. i will tell you one of the oldest rules in trump world and this has been burned into my brain is that you don't admit failure and don't admit mistakes. that's what dr. fauci did earlier today. >> we here the brazilian
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president bolsinaro, his wife has tested positive after meeting with the president in mar-a-lago. the president says he's not concerned about being exposed. i find that hard to imagine given what we know about the president's concern about germs. >> i talked to a course close to the president today and he is telling people he is concerned he may have contracted the coronavirus or was at risk for contracting the coronavirus based on the exposures being reported, most reportedly -- >> is he going to get tested? >> reporter: at this point, they're saying no. there are no plans for the president or vice president to be tested. but i tell you tuck sbood stephanie chisholm's statement is they're assessing the situation and waiting for the tests to come back on other people down at mar-a-lago and
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that may dictate new tests. brazilian president bolsinaro, if he comes back positive, that could change the equation. lindsey graham is putting himself in a quarantine. he is not taking any chances. why the president is not doing the same thing, we're just not getting any straight answers on that. they did not have a coronavirus task force press briefing and we're waiting to find out if there will be one tomorrow. >> gary cohn, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> there's a lot of concerned people about 401ks, about the markets. you have lived through a lot of ups and down in the markets. i know nothing about financial. i can't pretend to. how freaked out are you and what do you want people to know about what lies ahead? >> let's put this in perspective. in the recent history -- you're in my life at least. we've lived through four of
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these events. we had '87, '01, '08, and now we have '2020. they're all similar and all different. we've seen dramatic moves like this. today was the largest point move we've seen but that's the law of large numbers. we started from a much higher point. what makes this so much more unique, if you think where we were three weeks ago, we were all time record highs in the kt stock market. last week's unemployment report showed the economy was growing, employment was robust, wage growth was high. three weeks ago we were in a very, very good situation. this has really become a huge public health crisis which has in turn curtailed consumer demand. >> and likely will continue to for some time. >> absolutely. consumers are protecting themselves in doing what they think is in their and their family's best interest. they're withdrawing themselves from the economy, withdrawing themselves from going out, going
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to mcdonald's, going to sporting events -- in fact they're all cancelled now. when you think about withdrawing that activity from the economy, the economy slows down very quickly. most likely we are in a recession right now. we are having negative growth right now. and the market is pricing in that uncertainty. the good news is we did start from a very strong position just three weeks ago. and this when we get done with this public health crisis -- and i am convinced we will get done with it. no one knows how long -- the market will be resilient enough to recover. >> there is a lot of corporate debt. a lot of corporations had hardly any interest rates and been borrowing a lot of money. when confidence goes and if it goes for a long time, i mean the bricks start to kind of come apart, no? >> look, we're not in that type of environment right now. >> this is not 2008. >> this is not 2008. 2008 was a completely different scenario. this is a scenarios where the
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consumers have withdrawn from the market. consumers aren't spending money, companies can't sell products. what's happening, this is the tragedy of this, is you've got many workers in the economy today that want to go to work. there's no place for them to go to work. you think about the cancellation of nba basketball games or march madness or basketball tournaments. think about the ticket takers, parking attendants, people that sell popcorn and hot dogs. they earn a living do that. they want to go to work. >> if an elderly parent gets sick and somebody has to leave work and take care of that, if their child is out of school, they have to leave work. it does have a follow on effect. the bottom line though is you believe the economy was stronger coming into this than it was going into 2008. >> well, 2008 was a different scenario. 2008, the economy was growing. people were borrowing a lot of
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money. the entire system was getting highly, highly leverage. the banks were dramatically levered. the regulatory environment after 2008 took care of that. we walked into this public health crisis three or four weeks with the banks in phenomenally good situation. you saw that. the ceos at the white house yesterday said the banks are in good position. >> the president said it's not a financial crisis. you're calling it a public health crisis. is this not a financial crisis? >> we have repriced the stock market but it's not a financial crisis. we're reacting to the fact that we no longer can figure out what companies are going to earn for the relative short period of time and medium period of time. and market is repricing that. that's natural behavior of markets. markets hate uncertainty. >> china we don't know about medical supplies coming from china, how long that can last f that gets curtailed. this is a global situation.
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>> it is a global situation. and you're right. we're all concerned about the worse case scenario of the supply chain, where do medical supplies come from, where does protective equipment come from. i was at a hospital board meeting yesterday and that's what we talked about. we talked about that testing of equipment and what would happen in a worse case scenario. >> you worked in the white house. there's a lot of past stuff i would love to talk to you about. this is not the time for that. when the president goes on the air last night, part of the objective not only is to calm the american people and give them legitimate answers, it's also markets. clearly the markets did not respond in confidence with what the president said. is there anyone in the white house who can say to the president, you know what, let the task force speak on the virus. do not speak on the virus because every time you speak you are lying or shaving the truth or making things worse which i hate to even say because i don't want to -- people view this as political.
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but it just seems factual that you look at what the president -- he is consistently underplayed this, said it's going to disappear like a miracle from our shores. he had diamond and silk saying amen to him on that. he said 15 cases. why does he do it continually and why do people around him let him lie? why not let the virus task force talk? >> i agree. the virus task force and the experts -- you talk about dr. fauci and other public health experts, they're the ones we should listen to. they're the ones who understand what we're dealing with. >> but does the president's opinion matter on this? i would think it's a -- you know, the -- he's the president. what goes from the top-down and if he's not on board with science, if he doesn't believe he needs to get a coronavirus test because the bolsinaro's aide who he shook hands with is infected, he could very well be infected. i mean, if the president doesn't believe in science, did you want that filter down to everybody
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else? >> i'm highly confident that the task force team and the doctors there, they believe in science. they believe in what's going on. and you saw today -- >> if you have the president coming out -- fauci's testifying and you're on the administration, i'm not putting you on the spot. but you have fauci testifying and as a citizen i find it frustrating that the sense of watching the president is he doesn't really believe this or the lens he's looking at it through is a political one or something else. it's not about curtailing a viral infection. >> this is a public health cris crisis. we have a substantial public health crisis going on in the united states. the financial markets are reacting to that. peoples' behavior is telling that. and i think the people and companies are taking it upon themselves to do what they think is in the best interest of their people, their employees, and their families. and that's what's going on right now. >> as someone who worked in the white house and knows the situation, you would say to americans don't listen to the president on -- let the president say what he's going to
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say. listen to the coronavirus task force. they are actually the ones who are going to be executing stuff? >> i think the president last night tried to come out and tell you that he understands the magnitude of some of the financial institutions. i don't think he threw enough financial resources at it and understood the magnitude of what needs to be done. so, i talk about all those people that are unable to find work whether they're an uber driver, taxi driver, worked at restaurants and going to get laid off. we have to immediately find a way to get money into those people in the economy. and we're not talking about $50 billion. we're talking about substantial amounts of money that have to be put in the economy now. and i think that is what people saw in the disappointment of last night. they weren't disappointed with other parts. they were disappointed on the magnitude of what the president was talking about. >> they didn't see action that was going to make a difference in peoples' lives that will stem
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the hit people are going to get. >> we have to get people tested. we have to get coronavirus contained. it doesn't matter if you can pay for it or not. if you need to stay home and take care of a sick relative and you're going to lose wages, we have to get wages. we have to figure out a way to keep people doing what they need for their families and make sure they're not out spreading the virus because it's a financial hardship for them to stay home. the president needs to remove that financial hardship from the system. >> we're following science. lawmakers on capitol hill trying to craft an aid bill. i'll be joined by a top democrat in the house who served eight years as health and human services secretary. we'll talk about the potential solutions we may see this week. we'll be right back. ♪
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some breaking news. new mexico's governor just announced all public schools, k through 12 statewide will be closing for three weeks starting monday. three other states have made similar decisions which feeds directly into the larger question what the government can do to protect people. the president says the testing is going smoothly. dr. anthony fauci says it is, quote, a failing. house speaker pelosi and the administration are hammering out detail ts of a relief that could be voted on tonight. talk about all of this with congresswoman from florida who also is the longest-ever serving health and human services secretary. congresswoman, appreciate you being here. you were in the briefing today with top health officials. what do they say? and are you confident the government is in a good place to respond to the virus? >> no, it's not. i mean, we have a long way to go, and we don't have very much
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time. we got out of the box late. you know, most administrations stumble because these are ad hoc processes. we just haven't made the kind of investments in local health departments and state health departments that we should have over the years. and -- and i can't blame just the republicans. democrats, too. i fought for money for local and state health departments. and they're the people that are on the ground. tony fauci is extraordinary. we have physician scientists in our government that we've invested in their institutions for a very long time. but we've underinvested now and we're not listening to them all the time because the president is stepping all over the messages. we've got to put the scientists in front and listen to them. but at the end of the day, local governments and state governments are going to make public health decisions based on the situations in their states. >> you know, i mean, when the president talks about this, and
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i mean, i don't want to turn this into a bashing of the president. but this is not about politics. this is, actually, now a deadly virus that actually is affecting people's lives. and is cratering the economy. when the president, you know, the coronavirus task force comes out and dr. fauci speaks and others speak, and then the president, you know, just says it's going to go away or he says it's -- it's like a miracle that's going to leave our shores. and -- or that, you know, everybody can get tested. the tests are going fine. everything's going perfectly, just like the ukrainian letter. you know, retweeting out bizarre images of himself. i mean, it's -- i don't know if it's criminal at this stage. but, you know, when people start to die because of decisions that leaders make, there should be ramifications. i mean, these are peoples' lives. people are going to die because of the foul ups and the lack of experience. >> well, this president is dangerous to our health. this is a life-or-death situation. and the president is
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undisciplined. i've never seen anything like it. i've worked for a number of presidents over the years. they were usually pretty disciplined. sometimes they misspoke. but almost always, they corrected themselves. but this president, repeatedly, says the opposite of what the scientists say. and it's tragic because it is a life-or-death situation. and -- and -- he just ought to leave it to the scientist/physicians to give us correct diagnosis and correct facts. >> the idea that the president, you know, shook hands, posed with somebody who has now tested positive for coronavirus. the chief of staff for the president -- the president of brazil and apparently the white house claims they're not going to test him. i just find that kind of stunning. i mean, if he was the ceo of a company, you know, if he was a office worker or somebody who is in a cubicle next to him tested
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positive, that person would be tested. >> well, it's reckless. and we're working on a package of supports on the hill that, basically, say to the american people, we've got your backs. lose your job, we'll have unemployment insurance. need to get a test, that test will be free. you won't have to worry about co-payments. if you have to stay home with your kids, we'll figure out a way to give you parental leave. i mean, we've got lots of things in this package. but the most important thing is we're using existing programs. this is not rocket science. >> do -- >> we can use existing programs but beef them up. >> can our healthcare system hold up under this as bad as it may get? i mean, i've talked to a bunch of doctors who are just friends and, you know, every one of them is -- seems to be, to me, raising huge red flags and saying you need to be shouting this from the rooftops like what we are seeing here. >> well, i think that's exactly what we're doing. can the health system be expanded? first of all, we have to test and test and test.
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particularly, the most vulnerable people in our community. we have to keep people out of emergency rooms. and test them, hopefully, in mobile clinics or in other places. the university of washington, actually has a drive-by test system. >> crazy that we don't have that in new york. >> imaginative things we can do, anderson. we're just beginning to do them because the states and the -- and the local health departments are basically taking their resources and they are going to get this testing done. but what we don't want to do is to overwhelm our hospitals, and we have a limited number of beds in this country. and the last thing you want to do is end up in an emergency room. >> yeah. congresswoman, i appreciate your time. thank you. to be continued. just ahead, as election officials contemplate the effect of the coronavirus on safety of our elections we have a new cnn report that suggests a russia has a new address but the same
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the coronavirus is just the latest disruptive force to make campaigns and election officials rethink how they approach the 2020 elections. also, still out there trying to wreak havoc, russian troll farms. like a virus, these operations know no borders. and they can pop up in places you might not expect. clarissa ward tracked one such troll farm operation and joins us with the story. clarissa, what'd you find? >> well, anderson, you know, a lot of americans have been very concerned since the last election that russia would try to meddle once again and with help from researchers at clemson university, cnn actually managed to track down and expose an active russian troll operation. and let me tell you, anderson. it's not where you might have expected it to be. we also work closely with facebook and twitter, who had already, in fact, been investigating some of these accounts. and now, i want to show you this never-seen-before look at the anatomy of a troll operation. >> thousands of miles from the
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frosty streets of st. petersburg, this is a new hub for russia's infamous trolls. a cnn investigation has found that akra ghana was the launch pad for an online operation to stoke racial tensions and stir up social unrest in the u.s. ahead of the 2020 election. on twitter, facebook, and instagram, hundreds of accounts churned out posts about issues, such as racism and police brutality in the u.s. >> for months now, we have been investigating this network of trolls targeting african-americans. and now, we've actually come here to ghana to try to get the full story. >> in the run up to our journey, we had discovered that all of the accounts were connected to an ngo called eliminating barriers for the liberation of africa. known as ebla or ebla. looking at the website, it was
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clear something was off. parts of it still had dummy text. it was impossible to make an actual donation. and most mysteriously, one of the photographs had a russian file name. though the group claimed to be focused on issues like poverty in ghana, its employees posted almost exclusively about the u.s. some used incendiary language. america's descent into a fascist police state continues. someone needs to take that senator out. often, they posted on real u.s. groups. an attempt to gain legitimacy and build an audience. many even implied they were in america. we are sick and tired of the violence that's taking place in our communities. in reality, they were here. in a nondescript house on the outskirts of ghana's capital. >> this is the compound where
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the operation has been based. there's no sign for an ngo. we're about an hour outside of the city. and you can see this is a very secluded residential area. and people here have been telling us that about three weeks ago, ghanaian security services showed up here, raided the building, and no one's been back since. >> sources in the national security tell cnn that all of the funding came from russia. after the raid, the accounts went quiet for a few days. the group changed their handle names on instagram. and started posting again. we're heading out now to meet one of the employees. they don't actually know the cnn is coming to this meeting. we're hoping they might be able to give us some more information about how the ngo works and who might be behind it. after some discussion about the safety, the employee agrees to
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talk to us. provided with keep her identity hidden. we sit down in a secure location. she tells us she was hired in september of the 2019 and had no idea she would be working as a russian troll. >> tell me about your training. >> we were trained to use hash tags. so if i'm posting about black lives matter. >> the 16 employees were given different areas to focus on. racism. police brutality. feminism. >> initially it's measured by people in reach. most importantly you have to be -- >> the tactics are strikeingly similar to those used by russia internet research agencies known as the ira ahead of the u.s. presidential election in 2016. the aim to pit americans against each ore and create mistrust of
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the political system. run by a close associate of president putin. it was sanctioned by the u.s. this time the russians appear to be out sourcing some of the troll net works. offering plausible deniability. her boss was a south african. >> he said he was a passionate about helping people. >> did you know if he spoke any languages other than english? >> according to what i heard he spoke russian. >> he is not south african. he is not mr. amar at all. his real name is seth. and he is from ghana. he worked in studied in russia for many years. months after starting the ghana
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operation he opened a second branch in nigeria. in january of this year, he posted a job on linked in. in south carolina. the raid by ghana security services did not stop him. on our last day, we find out he's organized a secret meeting of the employees on a university campus. he tells them to create more accounts. and promises they will get paid soon. as the meeting finishes we approach him wearing a hidden camera and greet him in russian. >> i work for cnn. hi. how are you? >> im fine. >> i had a couple questions. why you posted this job in the u.s. in south carolina?
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>> it's so strange for someone to ask you about right now. so i don't know how much i can be of help to you. >> you're aware there's a presidential election in november? >> no. >> you're not aware of that? >> there's one in ghana. >> how long have you been working for the ira? for the troll factory. >> i don't know what ira. i can't tell you i'm working for them. >> why do you call yourself and say you're south african? >> people can call themselves whatever they want. >> okay. >> you're actually doing it for russia. you might want to explain to god that there was a mix up. >> he repeatedly denies running a russian troll factory. with that, our conversation e s
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ends. >> moments later, we see him drive off in a red mercedes. where ever his money comes from, he seems to be doing well. the room where his trolls once sat now stands empty. but similar operations out there maybe ramping up. as efforts to influence the 2020 election continue. >> we reached out to all of the 16 employees. in ghana. they told us the same thing. they had no idea they were working for a russian troll factory. and just today in the past few days, twitter, instagram skb facebook have taken down the accounts, 274 of them. reaching nearly a quarter of a million people. most of them americans. remarkably they say this is actually really a success story. this was still in the early stages of becoming what could
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