to june. so you are seeing some examples. to your point, anderson, about a cascading effect, i find it hard to believe in this environment that we're in right now, with still 36 hours to go before polls open, that the idea of proceeding as planned, it doesn't seem like anything in society is proceeding as planned right now. i'll be surprised if these elections do as well. >> we'll have more from our team here. we'll go back to chris in new york. >> look, it's a fascinating conversation, in real time, as anderson was talking with his panel, we get an alert on the huge change in new york city, which will be living in a way we've never really seen. i have van jones, kirstin powers, governor terry mcauliffe. who made the most of the moment where we are tonight? >> in the middle of a pandemic, the healer has real appeal. i think biden came across as

that healer. people may have looked at the early part of the debate and then drifted off and came back at the end. bernie sanders was able to slice and dice biden on some key policy points, hold him accountable for his record and try to push him. i agree, i think that bernie went out there with the idea, i'm going to stick up for what i believe in and push this guy to get him to acknowledge he's not with real change or come closer. i thought if this was the last big moment for bernie sanders, if this thing is going to be wrapped up soon, and some people say it will, some people say it won't, but i think he acquitted himself well but i don't think he expanded his base tonight. he needs to do that in order to change the math, to change the dynamics. i don't think he did that. but i think he changed the physics of this party over this past four years and that shows through tonight as well. >> kirsten, to me, tonight is

about coronavirus. people in the country don't have the same ear for differences in health care, differences in entitlements, any plan that you have for helping us deal with it. biden talked about that a lot more. you could argue bernie sanders had a tough position tonight because his plan will probably lower capacity. if you look at it, what's going to happen, you're going to get refunded on the medicare rate. the medicare rate is lower because it's a blended rate and they get augmentation from the private sector. he's arguing for systemic change not only in the crisis we're dealing with right now but his fix -- >> i don't understand. in a single payer system you're going from having private insurance companies versus the -- >> reimbursement changes, that's a key part of the plan. >> they can address that issue. i mean, it's not --

>> but in this moment right now, your question -- not your question, but capacity. help me with capacity. i'm so scared that you're not going to have enough. bernie talks systemic change. biden talked, i'll get it done right now, i'll deal with the big changes later. which worked better? >> i think in this moment right now what people just want is a sense of somebody who is steady. first of all, they're not going to snap their fingers and make anything happen, they would have to get a democratic senate, there's a lot of other things that would have to happen. every single poll we've had in this election, every single conversation we've had with people, the thing that people actually care about is can you beat donald trump. so ultimately, that is what people are deciding. and then i think tonight we have added in what are you going to do about coronavirus. >> they kind of go together, right? because this is probably president trump's biggest vulnerability to date. >> but it also depends a lot, people think how are you going to go up against donald trump in a debate and i think some people had concerns about joe biden on that front.

i think tonight he laid those concerns to rest. >> really? why? >> i do. i just think he was very strong and clear. in the past he has had some stumbles. he didn't have any that i thought were particularly catastrophic tonight. and this was a very intense two hours, right? this wasn't just him having a disagreement with one person. bernie was really going after him. so i think he acquitted himself well on that front. and i think that he's probably met the bar. i agree, i think bernie had a good night as well. i don't know what benefit comes from relitigating the past, though, over and over and over. like, we've done this, and what really matters is what people believe today. it doesn't matter as much, what they believed 30 years ago. >> i probably would have asked you a followup question about, well, why, three weeks ago, but i'm with you 100% right now, because of the moment we're living in, governor. look, we've all been making the concerted effort at cnn, it's

not about panic, be reasonable, surrender the "me" to the "we" and we will get through this more quickly. people are looking at trump differently right now because of the exigencies that are real. it's not theoretical. that was the floor of the debate, how did each gentleman handle it in your opinion? >> and clearly biden won that debate. he looked presidential tonight. i liked what he said, i'm going to commit the military, we'll come out and use the military to build hospitals. he had concrete ideas. senator sanders kept trying to get back to medicare for all and go down all these rabbit holes. people at home are saying, i'm terrified, i go to the grocery store, all the shelves are empty. so biden was giving them hope on the issue of leadership on coronavirus. listen, i've done a lot of

debates, i've done debates where i was leading the race and i've been in debates where i wasn't leading. they both did what they have to do. joe biden comes in clearly as the winner, you deflect, look like the winner, don't let yourself caught in positions that bother you, and senator sanders went after him on different issues. the problem with senator sanders is we have the damn coronavirus today and nobody cares about a vote that happened 20 years ago. he committed that he would have a woman at vp. they were 53% of the vote in 2016. we had great women candidates running for president this time. so i thought for joe biden, this was a great debate leading into the four gigantic contests. and tuesday could be the end of the campaign. >> lalthough the contests may b the end because the contests go against the cdc recommendation not to have groups bigger than 50 people. >> i do think that biden, if you

think about biden up against trump, biden's pride of his record gets in the way. listen, when bernie sanders is throwing those lefts and rights at you, you can sit there and defend, defend, or you can say, you know what, i have learned and i have changed and here's what i think now. his refusal to do that i think does give me some pause about him up against trump who's going to go much harder after his record than did bernie tonight. >> fair point. let me just bring in the chief doctor, sanjay gupta, here for a second. sanjay, i know that once again, the nation is looking to you for perspective on what's going on here and your understanding of what's going on with the government. the change from new york city, the recommendation from cdc, is right in line with people's fear of the unknown. i knew this would get worse. i knew they were going to close it down, they were going to quarantine us. how do you handle expectations when the information is moving in the direction of more and more closures? >> well, it's a fair point,

chris. and i think that one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of these things that are being proposed and what anthony fauci has been talking about for some time are in some ways designed to prevent those from getting worse. it's not necessarily that we've gotten worse, therefore this goes into action, we get this far worse, this goes into action. we see how things are sort of unfolding and we've modelled it. we know how this can turn and here is what possibly can make a big difference. there's two things about that. first of all, the social distancing mechanisms, whether they come in the form of closing down restaurants, having them do only takeout or delivery food in new york, versus national lockdown of a country, if you're going to do these things, they have to be to be done early, chris, because if you wait too long they really don't have the impact. some people say, it's a huge measure, that please things have gotten really bad, not necessarily. i don't want to minimize this

but if you are going to do these type of things at all, you want to do them her liearly. >> you're also making a point substantively and stylistically, messaging matters. when you say it that way, i'm better with it than when i read the two releases from the cdc and the city of new york. you could look at it, oh, this makes it worse, or this will keep it from getting worse. sanjay, thank you very much. we have bernie sanders right after the debate ready to be interviewed. stay with us. can plunge you into deep, depressive lows. (crying) take you to uncontrollable highs. (muffled arguing) or, make you feel both at once. overwhelmed by bipolar i symptoms? ask about vraylar. some medications only treat the lows or the highs. vraylar effectively treats depression,

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a debate like none we have seen so far. two candidates, sometimes as far apart on the issues as they were on the stage, their confrontation happening at a vital moment for the country and the world. bernie sanders is with me. here is what senator sanders had to say about the coronavirus. >> the first thing we've got to do, whether or not i'm president, is to shut this president up right now, because he is undermining the doctors

and the scientists who are trying to help the american people. it is unacceptable for him to be blabbering with unfactual information which is confusing the general public. >> i asked anthony fauci the other night who should people listen to, the president is saying one thing, and he didn't say don't listen to the president, he didn't use your words, but he said, you know, listen to the scientists and that's your advice. >> look, we should all be proud that we have public servants like dr. fauci and many others. they are the heroes and heroines of the moment. of course he has to be diplomatic because he's dealing with the president of the united states. but the truth of the matter is you have a president who is arrogant, who is ignorant, who is literally, as i said, undermining the good work of scientists, who keeps making these absurd remarks. and in fact he underestimated, diminished the initial threat facing this country. a president who had a brain in his head would have brought the

scientists together and said, look, how serious is this, what do we do now? not talk about, well, i have -- what was he saying, i have an unusual ability to understand the issue or it's going to all clear up. >> a hunch. >> a hunch. this is not what the people of this country or the world need. so he has done harm in delaying the kind of response -- >> do you think it's cost people lives? he said initially it's 15 cases, they're getting better, it could all go away miraculously. >> a serious president dealing with serious scientists would have said, whoa, we have a potential crisis here, we have to prepare for the worst case possibilities, we have to get moving on this, maybe it won't be that bad but we've got to prepare for the worst. clearly his thing was, eh, i'm on top of it. i think he's still talking about being on top of it, not going to be such a serious problem. >> essentially said they have it under control, today.

>> yeah, they got it under control. the scientists are talking about hundreds of thousands of people dying. he has it under control. >> for many of us who have spent time overseas in places where terrible things happen, there's conflicts, but there's a lot of our citizens who have not experienced anything remotely like this, not seen grocery stores empty, not seen restaurants shut down, not seen a pandemic which has the potential for serious damage in this country. i think this is an opportunity for sort of a realization of the importance of citizenship and taking care of myself is actually taking care of somebody else. and i'm not going to buy all the hand sanitizer because -- even if i could find it, because it doesn't matter if i have it all, if my friend over here doesn't have it, it's dangerous to me too. >> i think what you're saying, anderson, is that if there has ever been a moment when we're in this together, not just philosophically but from a moral

perspective, but from reality, if you get sick and touch me, i'll get sick. why we have to move incredibly aggressively in terms of the coronavirus, why we have to move very aggressively in terms of the economic fallouts, especially for working people, for small businesses, for the children, for the elderly, how are people going to eat? what happens when you lose your job? how are you going to get income? we have to deal with that. my view is that we make everybody whole, that's what we've got to do, not worry about just the oil companies and wall street. we have to worry about all of our people. but it's also a time for reflection, i think. what happens after this crisis is over, and it will be over, are we satisfied with the health care system which is not a system? at the end of the day, we have 87 million people who are really nervous about whether they can afford to go to the doctor or

not. we have a complicated system, people saying, okay, well, we're going to pay for treatment, well, maybe yes, maybe not. where do i get the treatment? we do not have a health care system, that's indisputable. i hope and i believe that people understand, we spend so much money for health care and we're so unprepared, so many people are uninsured, and we have pharmaceutical companies right now thinking, oh, man, how can i make a fortune on this one? how disgusting is that? it gets back to the kind of point you make, what kind of nation do we want to be? do we want to be a nation where we work together to address the problems facing the country or a nation where the people on top continue to make huge amounts of money through agreed agreed and corruption? >> i want to play something that the vice president said along these lines and have you respond to what he said. >> we have problems we have to solve now, now. what's a revolution going to do? disrupt everything in the meantime? look, bernie talks about --

excuse me, the senator talks about his medicare for all. he still hasn't told you how he's going to get it passed. he hasn't told you how there's any possibility that have happening. he hasn't told you how much it will cost. it doesn't kick in for four years even after it passes. if we want a revolution, let's act now, pass the biden health care plan, which restores obamacare, provides for lower drug prices, makes sure there's no hidden bills, makes sure we invest $50 billion in dealing with underlying diseases that are of great consequence, diabetes, alzheimer's, and cancer, make sure we have a medicare option that's in a public option providing medicare for us. we can do that now. i can get that passed. i can get that done if i am president of the united states of america. that will be a fundamental change and it happens now. i can tell you from experience, being a significant consumer of health care with my sons, my family, all the thing we've gone through, what people want is

hope and they need it now. not four years from now. bernie still hasn't told us how he's going to pay for it. we're talking about a $30 billion plus plan. >> he's saying people don't want a revolution. >> that was pretty effective on his part, he slaughtered pretty much everything i'm trying to do here. is it a revolution to guarantee health care to all people? is it a revolution to say to the drug companies, you know what, can't charge us ten times more for the same exact drugs as you're charging in canada or in other countries? is it revolution to say that if you work 40 hours a week in the richest country on work -- and by the way, to say that in the year 2020, when we talk about public education which should include making public colleges and universities tuition free

and canceling all student debt. what's interesting is that biden has adopted some of -- this is what always happens. suddenly today joe biden is a free spending socialist, my god. hey, we're going to pay for everything. >> i'm not sure he would say he's -- >> that's what he was saying, no problem. but at the end of the day, that whole rhetoric from biden, he can get it done, what is he getting done? he's basically, after all is said and done, maintaining the status quo in health care. that's what -- minor changes. and you know what the status quo is? he's talking about how i'm going to pay for it. study after study showed that medicare for all would cost us less than the status quo. his would cost $50 trillion over ten years. ours, about $47 trillion. under his proposal, which he's not going to change, the average american in a family of 60,000 pays $12,000 a year for health care. that is unbelievable. our plan is substantially lower. >> at this point, though, i hate to talk about sort of the

politics of this, but we are in a presidential race, and in spite of this, it continues. at this stage, what is the path ahead for you? >> well, the path ahead is to bring as many people who do not traditionally vote into the political process. and that is young people, it is working class people who understand that we have a corrupt political system in which billionaires buy elections and make it easier for the wealthy to become richer while working class people are struggling. >> that's been the argument you've made, understandably, and the idea that we're going to have this massive voter turnout of people who haven't been in the process, in some cases you may have been able to do that, latino voters coming in nevada and elsewhere. young people are not coming out in the numbers. it's disappointing, clearly. >> i think the media hasn't gotten it quite right.

young people are voting in higher numbers, not as high in some states as the general population. older people vote in very large number. >> because that's what the vice president was saying tonight, it has been people coming out but for biden. >> i think we're winning the ideological struggle and we won it tonight, there's joe biden suddenly echoing a lot of -- he adopted -- i would go further, but -- >> you're making the argument that the road ahead to have you is bringing more people into the process. is that those people, bringing them in to then vote for biden? >> no, they're not going to vote for biden. that's a different constituency. what you'll have politically, god bless them, older people vote in large numbers. unfortunately, the younger people, who vote for us overwhelmingly, 70, 80%, do not vote in large numbers. it's one thing to get people to vote in a primary but when you have nontraditional voters, they're not going to vote in a

primary, they'll more likely vote in a general election. how do you beat trump if you don't have a huge voter turnout? how do you have a huge voter turnout if you don't bring in working class people who have begun to see through the lies of donald trump? i think we're in a better position to do that than joe biden. >> is your hope, if you can't be the nominee, to at least get biden to come -- in order to appeal to young people coming out for you, to get biden to come to at least embrace more of your positions? >> you know, it's a funny thing, i think you have heard media and others talking about, isn't it remarkable, when we had 18 candidates to begin this process, so many of them have moved so far of where we were four years ago, you just heard this tonight. yesterday biden basically is saying, yeah, i voted for that bankruptcy bill, bad idea, i'm going to adopt elizabeth warren's position, that's a good bill, okay? today he says, oh, i think we should make public colleges and

universities tuition-free up to a certain level. yes, we have brought biden -- well, we'll see how real it is. people have got to make the choice about whether they want the real thing, something i've been fighting for for years or somebody who just changed his views in the last two days. >> finally, the cdc has put out a recommendation saying that any grouping of more than 50 people should not take place. i mean, should there be a primary on tuesday? >> that is a very good question. as you know, louisiana and georgia and puerto rico have delayed their elections, postponed until dates in the future. look, you know, elections, dates are very important. we don't want to be getting in the habit of messing around with them. but you remember, and i just researched this, 9/11, do you know there was a primary in new york city, do you remember that? >> i don't. >> there was a primary. it was canceled for obvious reasons in new york city and rescheduled two weeks later.

i would hope governors listen to the public health experts and what they are saying is, you just indicated, we don't want gatherings of more than 50 people. i'm thinking about some of the elderly people sitting behind the desks, registering people, all that stuff. it does not make a lot of sense. i'm not sure that it does. >> senator bernie sanders, i appreciate it very much. >> thank you very much. ahead, a democrat who has also been on the debate stage, andrew yang joins us. ♪ if you have moderate to severe psoriasis... or psoriatic arthritis, little things, can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream... ...it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable... ...with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques.

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we have more now on what you just heard bernie sanders say about his path to victory, about his performance tonight, and how the coronavirus has affected this nominating process, apart from just the lack of a live studio office. former candidate andrew yang joins us now. and first, quickly, let me play you, andrew, a moment from tonight. this is biden questioning whether sanders' medicare for all plan would really be suited for the moment we're facing. >> with all due respect to medicare for all, you have a single pair system in italy. it doesn't work there.

it has nothing to do with medicare for all. that would not solve the problem at all. we can take care of that right now by making sure that no one has to pay for treatment, period, because of the crisis, no one has to pay for whatever drugs are needed, period, because of the crisis, nobody has to pay for hospitalization because of the crisis, period. that is a national emergency and that's how it's handled. it is not working in italy right now. and they have a single payer system. >> andrew yang joins us. you know him as the head of the yang gang, a newly midnight cnn political commentator who has endorsed joe biden. how did you feel about your man's answer there? >> i think joe had a great point. but then he also missed bernie's point. so he had a great point where it's a capacity problem right now, we're not sure we have the hospital beds, the protective equipment, the facilities, or the health care providers in order to actually serve everyone who is going to come in.

and so italy is an example where you have single payer health care and they have capacity issues, joe is right in saying we need to build capacity. but bernie was also right in that millions of americans right now are completely steering clear of the health care system because they don't think they can pay for it, they're not even sure if they have a provider to go to. so this is heightening anxiety around how we're going to respond to the coronavirus where millions of americans don't even know how they're going to go about getting tested or whether they can see a doctor. so joe had a point, but bernie had a point as well. >> andrew, do you think that they recognized the moment they're in enough tonight? >> you know, i don't think they did, honestly. despite the fact that they both talked about the coronavirus for quite some time, but if you look at the cdc's announcements where they think we shouldn't have gatherings of more than 50 people for eight weeks, that's two months. you know what closing new york

city's restaurants and bars, tens of thousands of waitresses, parking attendants, security guards, these are not people who can just go home and sit around for weeks or months on end. we need to have a dramatic economic stimulus. they talked about making workers whole even as these workers are losing wages and jobs. there's no way we can make them whole without sending checks or putting money into people's hands. i wish one or both of them had said, look, to do this we have to put money to work in a different and dramatic way. >> let's move off the politics and talk practicality for a second. bernie sanders seemed comfortable with the idea of delaying primaries, moving them back. now, you can either see that as just an authentic answer, or, yeah, it works for him, the more time he has the better before primaries because it's looking bad for him right now. but in terms of the process and the pressure to keep people from

big groups, it is tough to argue at the same time that you should are holding primaries on one level, is it not? >> it is really hard. they had a debate to an empty room. they've canceled all rallies. and so saying that people should turn out in droves in these states and wait in lines. i will say, if you vote, the lines are probably pretty short, so if you do show up, it might not actually be much of a risk that way. but the states are moving forward on tuesday even though some other states have pushed it back. and the fundamental dynamics of this race have probably just about frozen in place, as david axelrod was saying, because of the fact that the public's attention has turned to the coronavirus. you're going to see voting turnout in all likelihood plummet upcoming, because people are staying at home. >> especially when you have cdc guidance saying don't be in groups more than 50 and every polling place is certainly going to have more than that except in remote counties. what's your best sense, andrew, of whether or not one or both of

these gentlemen change their fates tonight? >> i think bernie had a very strong night. he presented himself as a very steady, consistent messenger. i think joe engaged with bernie more than i thought he would, i thought he was going to be like "trump, trump, he was winning anyway and i thought that was a missed opportunity. the fact is bernie needed a complete transformation of the dynamic of the race tonight, and that required not just for bernie to have a great night, which he did have but required joe to do something self-sabotaging, which he did not do. i think this race will have joe as the favorite. >> andrew yang, always a pleasure. let's go back to the panel. bernie sanders' argument is this, listen, the young people with me. we see it all time. look at the rallies and polls.

they don't vote in primaries. that is an unfair judgment standard in the general, i will bring them out in a way joe biden cannot that's why i'm still in the race. >> we had 13% of the younger vote turnout but listen -- >> the primary. they will come in the general. >> they won't show up in the primary and show up in the general. i'll the wizard of oz, too. you have primaries. your job is to energize people and get them to vote for you now and get people to build your coalition. i've been saying this on cnn for eight months, who can build the broad collision. today biden is able to show it but we'll see. i do disagree with andy. i thought biden tonight on climate change, issue of college, on other issues that he talked about, the bankruptcy bill, i think he moved on a lot of bernie's issues today and bernie didn't want to take a win on him, i think a lot of supporters are watching it

tonight so i do think joe biden talked about a lot of issues that resonate with young people, free college under 125,000, spent a lot of time on issues of climate change. talked about the bankruptcy bill with elizabeth warren. i thought he did put a message out there. >> now you'll feel the grief of the yang gang. [ laughter ] >> coming your way. >> yang gang is peaceful. >> what do you think about the state of play after this? >> yeah, i do think that joe biden favorite and he didn't do anything to harm himself tonight and bernie didn't do anything to necessarily change the trajectory. i don't think biden did enough to reach out to the bernie voters, which is something that his campaign is sort of been signaling, he's trying to do. certainly on the policies, he did mention some things, but this was a much more combative debate than i was expecting, and so, i think if you are trying to win over, you know, if you're trying to pivot if you're biden

and win over those people that support bernie, i don't know he was really doing anything in terms of the tone in the way he was interacting, even as bernie is saying things to him and chuckling and laughing and condescending. that's not going to win over sanders' supporters. that doesn't mean they can't ultimately be won over but i don't think he did much tonight. >> you are right about the yang gang. >> yes. >> they are passionate and love him and the ideas. they are the least nasty of any collision that i've had to deal with going forward. what did you think about this? >> a couple things. first of all, you know, when you're -- you did have yang on and i thought he made a good point, which is that if we're going to be honest, the only way to keep the economy from going into a complete free fall now is to put money directly into the hands of people and that is yang sort of, universal basic income, that repurpose in a crisis could make a huge difference. it would have been smart, trying to put stuff together if biden had come out and said that, he might have inherited a big chunk

of the yang gang. i think the other thing i would say is that this process now that biden has to go through of expanding his collision to include as many people from sanders that will come along, assuming things keep going the way they are is tough because it's not just policies. it's also this other stuff, these intangibles. for instance, hillary tried this with bernie, as well. hillary adopted a bunch of platform planked propels from bernie but never signalled the respect. she never signalled that she really got where these people were coming from and apriest dwrat -- appreciate what had bernie had done. i think biden fell into that a bit. every now and again, biden would try to say a little nice thing to bernie and bernie would miss the point. some of that stuff was going on but i think that we're in a process by which biden has to figure out how not just from a policy point of view but from the personal and tangible point of view he signals i get ya and i want ya. >> maybe i'm missing something,

gov, you tell me but we -- there was six feet apart tonight because cnn is respecting the idea about social contact and these are two older people, right? coronavirus was in the space between the two of them and i really believe that every time they engaged with each other about anything else, you know, ki kirston knight, when everybody watching is worried about one thing and i don't think they made enough of it. what does that mean going forward? >> the second part of the question is it's not only the health implications of coronavirus, it's what is going to damage our economy. >> right. >> and for trump. >> and moral. >> the only thing that held him up with all of the foolishness and all of the insanity and all of his tweets and every crazy thing he does is that people's 401 ks were up and they said first of all, president obama left him a great economy, i'm here now and i've given you a great economy. that stool, that leg of that stool is gone. i mean, we'll see what happens.

the futures are up 9% but see what happens on monday. trillions have been knocked off the stock market. so it's a huge problem for trump. because it's not only the economy, let's remember he hasn't solved the testing issue we talk about every day. south korea is 20% of our population when you think of that. they're doing 12,000 tests a day. we have done 28,000 total in the united states of america. >> look, anybody that says we'll catch up, it's going to happen, they're not telling you guys the truth. we have to take a break. as a matter of fact here, you're not going to catch up with testing. that's not going to happen. the future with all due respect to the governor are in the tank right now. they're expecting the market to open up about somewhere between 1,000 to 1200 points down. so let's take a break and i hear what you're saying about wanting to have known more and you're more desperate for leadership on coronavirus. tell the candidates because they're the ones that control the conversation. after this, we're going to talk

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at the top of the hour of the presidential debate that did not lack for sustainbstance and fraction for the candidates and breaking news. this going on in the shadow of more changes to what we used to know as normal. >> seemed more contentious than maybe more people anticipated and joe biden responding to some of the appointed critiques by senator biden. we saw joe biden, bernie sanders each layout alternatives to how the trump administration is handling the clash with the health care system, social security, the senator passed statements about cuba, as well. >> right. v.p. biden committing to pretty big deal, female running mate. i guess people assumed it would be but for him to say yes, in light of the senator sanders wasn't as definitive. he said i am leaning that way.

not just a woman but progressive and there are a lot of progressive women and biden seemed more definitive. in all, a significant news making debate has certainly probably the most crucial point we've had maybe since 2008, maybe since 9/11. here is a moment from it. both candidates talking about the ways coronavirus changed their campaigning. >> last night, we had a fire side chat, not a rally. i love doing rallies and we bring many thousands of people out to our rallies. i enjoy it very much. we're not doing that right now. in fact, our entire staff is working from home. so on a personal level, what we're doing is i'm not shaking hands. joe and i did not shake hands and i am very careful about the people i am interacting with. i am using a lot of soap and hand sanitizers to make sure that i do not get the infection

and i have to say, you know, thank god right now i do not have any symptoms and i feel very grateful for that. >> doing virtual town hall meetings. we're in a situation where now, i do not, as i said, when we encounter people, we're not going into crowds. i'm taking all the precautions everyone else should be taking. i wash my hands god knows how many times a day hot water and soap and i carry hand sanitizer. i don't know how many times i use that. i make sure i don't touch my face and so on. >> let's start things off with jeff zeleny. a quick breakdown and there were a lot. jeff, talk about key moments and how the campaigns feel about the night. >> there is no question the biden campaign feels good about this evening and this is why. they went into this trying to make the argument why the former vice president is ready for this moment. this, you know, pandemic has sort of focused the attention on what a president should do, the

job, the role, the responsibility of the president. they believe the biden campaign and his advisors we've been speaking to do believe they made those points throughout the debate. the sanders' campaign on the other hand, one thing that was clear earlier in the day, they said they were going to perhaps not necessarily go as far into joe biden's background and record but sounded like any other debate like any other moment. talking about some of those old votes that the former vice president had as senator. but anderson, it's clear this say new moment. this is a new time in this campaign. so in that respect, joe biden and his advisors believe that he met that moment more than bernie sanders but i think at the end of the day, you guys were talking about the headline there. joe biden went into the debate tonight i'm told by his advisors wanting to make a headline grabbing knew of the fact he does plan to pick a woman as a running mate. not a huge surprise necessarily but certainly something that draws attention to him looking

forward. so his entire presentation was about the fall. was about going after president trump and looking forward but anderson, there is one issue here, he has to win the primary and yes, he's the leader in the delegates here but bernie sanders did not show any sign he's going to sort of wrap in up any time soon. >> yeah, i want to point out one of the moments from tonight. let's play it. >> sure. >> if i'm elected president, my cabinet and administration will look like the country and i commit i will in fact, appoint -- pick a woman to be vice president. there are a number of women who are qualified to be president tomorrow. i would pick a woman to be my vice president. >> vice president -- if i could follow up. to be clear, you committed here tonight your running mate if you get the nomination will be a woman? >> yes. >> senator, just to be clear, the vice president committed to picking a woman as his running mate. if you get the nomination, will you? >> in all likely hood, i will.

for me, it's not just nominating a woman, it is making sure that we have a progressive woman and there are progressive women out there. my very strong tendency is to move in that direction. >> it was interesting exchange and clearly made a lot of news on biden's part. >> it did a couple things for the biden campaign, it allowed them to focus forward on the fact they do think that he will be the nominee but bernie sanders was saying look, i want someone that supports medicare for all first. i think on the biden side of things, he's the leader in the delegate and mathematically different to catch up. i think the thing is there's a lot of speculation who was he talking about? the three senators who he ran against. there are others on the list, as well. i was talking to one democrat tonight that said what about tammy baldwin from wisconsin, someone like that? we could enter the phase of a lot of people's names being

mentioned. i think the reality here is it's getting ahead of ourselves. what has to happen here? a, there have to be votes that happen and we don't know where this pandemic is going. that's one thing that worries the biden campaign the most, it's slowed down his speed if you will and this whole crisis could slow down the actual votes, as well. we don't know what the convention is looking like. leading this debate tonight, probably the last democratic debate, the biden campaign feels strong. >> jeff, thanks very much. i want to play another key moment from tonight and from the democratic party in november. >> i want to make it clear, if bernie is a nominee, i will not only support him, i will campaign for him. i believe the people who support me will do the same thing. because the threat to the united states of america is donald trump. it's critical. i would hope that bernie would do the same thing if i'm the nominee and encourage all of his followers to in fact support me, as well, because it's much

bigger than any of us, character of the nation is on the ballot. it goes well beyond whether or not -- senator sanders and i both agree. >> senator sanders for his part returned the favor and promise. back with our team here in washington. i was talking to bernie sanders after this and he is still making the argument that he is bringing in younger voters. he is bringing in people who are not going to necessarily be flocking out and eager to campaign for -- or vote for biden. >> we haven't seen that so far in any of the votes that we have seen. what we don't know is who is going to turn out and vote on tuesday. >> and biden made the point -- >> older voters may decide they don't want to vote -- >> those are the people that have been turning out for biden. >> that's right. that's right. >> all the talk for senator sanders in this youth quake, it was actually older people who really -- >> that's right. so we don't -- we don't really know and i think sanders is

going to keep making that argument until he can't make the argument anymore. one other thing that was interesting to me tonight was the biden slogan, which is the people are looking for results, not revolution, he thinks his campaign thinks plays really into this crisis we are in because what people want to see is tests, the numbers going down, the science working, the leaders working, that's the results that biden is talking about. not revolution. and sanders' argument, which i don't know if it has as much appeal at this point is we need a revolution in the health care system and got to do it now, otherwise -- >> also, sanders' whole argue the ment on the revolution when you push him on it, it gets down to the revolution -- and he doesn't like to use really the term revolution. he was saying tonight, is it a revolution to want everybody to have health care as a right? he actually did write the book

called "our revolution" which is a best-selling book that made him a millionaire. >> took a hint -- >> that's where the quote comes from. but his whole argument on it is that it -- the revolution not only requires a massive voter turnout of people who are not in the process but also it continued massive engagement that he, like donald trump, would continue to benefit from by having campaign-style rallies while president and that would pressure people in congress to force them to pass medicare for all. that argument has started to look very weak because they are not coming out. >> yeah, i think if there is a big disappointment for bernie sanders, he built a revolution and they didn't come. and i think that that is problematic for him. for biden, the -- you know, it's less about positioning himself against bernie sanders for the primaries but i think he thinks

positioning him sself against bernie sanders plays well in the general election with swing voters and certifying himself as a moderate and he's in that way thinking as a nominee. bernie sanders is right. you know, young people walked away from hillary clinton in 2016 and they need to get motivated and be motivated in the race and that's why it comes back to my point of earlier that i think i would have tried to look for ways to give -- to honor their passion, these young people about what they consider issues like -- >> and that was a miss oed opportunity for biden. >> he took the bait as gloria said too often and yes, i think that where he -- you know, when you're ahead, when you're the almost certain nominee, you hahave the option to go big and i think they were prepared -- it's almost as if he prepared for a debate or he began to react as

if they were still in the heat of this campaign and so that was a missed opportunity. it was a very strong night for skbr joe biden because i think this virus is the defining reality in people's lives right now and he looked very much like someone prepared to take that on. but in this other way, i think he fell short. >> you heard in the sound byte you were playing about him saying he would campaign for sanders and what have you. this unity project, this is going to be the work and so when david is talking about a missed opportunity, it means this to do list for joe biden remains and will remain for sometime here of the real workings to do. when you are the near certain nominee, the burden is not on sanders' saide here. the burden is on joe biden to ddo the work and be wide open and receptive and not expecting that people should just come over because you're the nominee but actually do the real out reach

and the real work. >> i think he started doing that. >> he has started. but what i thought tonight was clear is that there are still miles to go in that project. they are not -- this is not, i don't think bernie sanders and joe biden left here, you know, headed for unity new hampshire as we saw with clinton and obama. >> not on the unity express. >> bernie -- >> on that same question, dana asked biden what are you going to do to address your weakness with latino voters? he didn't directly answer it. his campaign has in the last week started to go on tv with ads targeting latinos, a place sanders dominated and been reaching out to latinos since iowa and sanders didn't answer the question of how would you reach out to black voters and try to win them over if you were to become the ultimate nominee. you saw both of them struggling to speak to voters that they haven't brought into their fold.

>> everybody's strength is their weakness, right? bernie sanders' strength is that he speaks in big moral terms about these challenges and i think that the young people who follow hymn and other people follow him may think of him in those terms and when biden responds to those things without honoring a larger spirit, it would have been easier to honor the larger spirit and say that's a challenge we as a country have to commit ourselves to. that was almost more important than details that fell short at least in sanders' -- on the other hand, sanders never -- the numbers don't exactly add up on his aspiration l pprogram. >> at some points, they sounded like a bunch of senators talking to each other. did you vote for the bill? which -- they got into this senate language and i was thinking to myself, nobody out there really understands what either of them is talking about right now. they have to talk to the

american people about what you're talking about, these bigger things and how i can lead. both of them missed opportunities on that during the debate. >> it did get very 1976 -- >> yeah, i voted for -- there was a long exchange where they laid out different policy positit positions. it long but worth playing. watch. >> you know, what leadership is about, joe, and it deals with whether your opposition or your support, i should say for leg -- for legislation regarding guy communities and the so-called defensive marriage act, you remember that bill, right? >> i do. >> it was -- you know, gay marriage today is considered a little bit differently than 25 years ago. i remember that vote. it was a very hard vote. i voted against the defense of marriage act. you voted for it. i voted against the bankruptcy bill. you voted for it.

i voted against the war in iraq, which was also a tough vote. you voted for it. i voted against disastrous trade agreements like na fta that cos this country over 4 million good paying jobs. you voted for it. i voted lower income women the right to get an abortion. you have consistently voted for it. in other words, all that i'm saying here, we can argue about the merits of the bill. it takes courage sometimes to do the right thing. >> we can argue about the past and future. this man voted against the brady bill five times, background checks five times. number one. number two, this man is the only -- one of the few democrats i know who voted to exempt the gun industry from being able to be sued. talk about a special, special interest. we should be able to sue drug companies. we should be able to sue tobacco -- we cannot sue the gun

manufacturers because he voted for that years ago. he says it was a mistake now. i'm prepared to accept he says it is a mistake. the question is what do we do from this point on? by the way, i might add, i'm the first person to go on national television in any administration and say i support gay marriage. i supported gay marriage when asked and started a ripple effect. i'm not taking all credit but the first major player to say i support gay marriage on national television. >> that's sort of the moment you were talking about. you see they are two long-time senators. >> so they're talking about their records and, you know, we're not going to talk about the past. we're going to talk about the future except let's talk about what happen 20 years ago voting for this and that and biden thinking did i vote for that? nobody -- it's fine. it done. they're not running for the senate anymore. they're running for the presidency. >> what is interesting about

running for the senate, david and i talked about this. the bankruptcy bill biden voted for is an economically important bill because the financial industry is located there. bernie sanders voted against those gun measures because guns is a very, very tough issue in his state. the reality is they both voted their states. they're not running for senator but president. biden could have picked that up and made that point. let talk about the future. they just got into a deep -- >> he went -- >> he said let's talk about the future. about the vote you cast 20 years ago. >> up next, we'll take a break from the politics and focus on public health on the virus and the very latest that we know. no, a solid gold jet ski is not deductible. and, silly question: won't it sink?! alright, i'm going to get back to you. i'm going to get back. people ask me what sort of person should become a celebrity accountant. and, i tell them, "nobody. nobody should." there's nothing wrong with liking privacy, but i just don't think you need

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nearly 3500 people have been affected in the united states but west virginia. the cdc warned against gathering of more than 50 people, 50 or more. new york city shutting all restaurants exempt for takeout and delivery, which will at least keep people employed. we learned moment s ago so is ls angeles. joining me is director of the stanford health communication initiative and cnn medical analyst. dr. nguyen is a former health commissioner for the city of baltimore. so dr. nguyen, the cdc saying don't have gatherings larger than 50 people anywhere in the country. that's extraordinary. new york city saying restaurants can only serve takeout orde

or delivery. i know the impact that may have on society at large but in terms of the virus, itself, how big a difference will those measures make? >> oh, it's going to make a huge difference and i'm so glad the cdc finally issued guidance today because until now, we've had state and local officials just doing whatever they think is best, which actually may be good in the sense it's tailored to their community but we also need a federal response that's coordinated and i think that cdc guidance is going to be so important. new york, also and we're seeing this happening in ohio and california and other states where they are limiting these restaurants and i think all of these measures will make a big difference because we know that at this point, social distancing is what's going to save lives. >> vice president biden said tonight that if he was president, he would engage the military to be on the ground, help the response to the coronavirus outbreak. he talked about knowing china

military built hospitals and said the military has the capability of building hospitals. in public health emergencies in the past, the national guard or military in various situations and places have been called in to open up field hospitals to take care of large numbers of casualties or sick people. do you think that is where we're heading on this, dr. nguyen? >> i do. so we need both sides of this. we know that there are far too many patients whom are going to be coming into our health care system, at least at the rate we're going and so we need to increase the capacity. we need to think about how can hospitals increase their capacity as much as possible, but it's not going to be enough. so can we also build additional hospitals the way we have before? on the other hand, we have to say but we're not giving up. we're not just saying there are too many patients that will flood the system, we're going to try to reduce the rate of transmission through social distancing, through these other

aggressive measures that each of us can take now so that we don't end up flooding our health care system, both of these have to be done at the same time so that we can best take care of not only our most vulnerable who are s susceptible to covid-19 but these other patients seeking care at the same time. >> how far does this go? if you believe, okay, social distancing is the thing and stopping people from moving great distances, potentially spreading something far and wide and to many other people, i mean, at some point do you -- or is domestic air travel, does that get suspended? i mean -- >> i have this question earlier on when i saw that cdc guidance. to me it felt a bit late for sure but a bit vague. if you're talking about not having gatherings of 50 people -- >> that's a plane. >> what does that imply for people on a plane? that's not necessarily as clear

as it could be but i want to point out i'm concerned about the news coming outed from washington state and new jersey where two e.r. doctors have fallen sick with covid-19 and one in his 40s is in the icu. as we think about deploying potentially the military and ramping up the front line defense against the epidemic, i'm just concerned we're not talking enough about how we're going to protect front line workers. this is news today and i'm concerned we'll hear more and more stories about unprotected, unsupported e.r. doctors falling sick with the disease they are trying to treat. >> we seen in italy, you know, people being told stay in your homes, you can go out to a super market for essential things, but that's it. is that something that say another step, i don't know if

that's four steps away from this or is this the next step? is that likely, do you think? >> i mean, we've heard dr. fauchi say nothing should be off the table and i agree with that sentime sentiment. everything is going to seem like an over reaction until it's not. if we look back a month ago, month and a half ago, if we talked about ordering 2 million tests with 12 people in the u.s. who had coronavirus, it would have seemed like a massive over reaction. but now we're facing a situation where we don't have enough tests and i think we're going to say the same thing about social distancing, too. when we look at the 1918, 1919 flu epidemic, we know that cities that implemented really aggressive measures early had a 50% lower mortality rate than cities that implemented these measures later and so i think we should take nothing off the table. do what we can now but at some

point it may be necessary to do more. >> doctor, you agree with that? >> i do. i think she is really speaking from a public health perspective that when you do your job well in public health, you almost make yourself look obsolete because you're doing it so well behind the scenes and preventive and what can happen in instances like this, when you implement these prevention steps, people will say this is an over reaction and ideally, it looks like that because what you see later on is not the spike you anticipated potentiallily ocy occurring -- >> that's an important point. >> if this all works and all these, what some people might think are extreme measures, it will be easy, if it works, which would be amazing news and people's lives are saved and people don't die and get sick, people will say this was a

complete over reaction and made up by the media. this is whatever -- that's a difficult thing. you then have to contend with well, how do you prove a negative? all these poem woueople would h died, had we not done this? >> it's a challenge but if you do it right, it looks like you did too much but you did too much to prevent the worst-case scenario. >> dr. nguyen and dr. yasmin, thank you. >> we've been in this situation before, hurricanes and natural disasters. i'll take it. that cooper and cuomo had us thinking -- nothing compared to what we thought. we'll get back to the debate and reaction and analysis in a moment but we want to take on another piece of what just happened before and during the debate. to that point, you might know the coronavirus ended this

11-yearlong bull market technically a bear market. it's a negative territory. today the federal reserve tried to inject some stability announcing amongst other actions it will cut the benchmark interest ratearly zero. it's not a huge move but president trump called it quote a big step. but the future for the market tomorrow are still in the tank. cnn business and politics correspondent christina joins us now. now do you see this as the psychology of the market that's keeping it in bear territory or just that the fed did not have enough to give to reduce expectations? >> what the fed is trying to do here, chris is put a floor on the panic and it did two things. it cut interest rates to near zero as you said and that's to encourage investors, to keep buying to rebalance that risk reward behavior that we saw out of whack over the last week. it also importantly decided that

it was going to announce a $700 billion asset purchase. it's going to buy treasuries and mortgage backed securities to inject cash in the system because while you and i and people at home are watching the market, what the federal reserve is trying to do is address a problem starting to emerge in the credit markets where companies go for short term loans and borrowing. that was seeing real signs of stress last week so the federal reserve is really trying to address that specific situation. the reason why futures are down tonight is because investors still cannot see around the corner and the worst possible thing on wall street is uncertainty. so until, and i was talking to a couple investors tonight, until they can get some visibility on containment, we're going to continue to see some panic in the market. so what they want is essentially congress to step in and provide

fiscal stimulus, which will put hard cash in consumer's hands because you know they are the backbone of this economy, chris? >> yeah, you know, it will be interesting. first of all, great analysism. t people will say 700 billion and they still tank it, give them the interest rate cut you could that's available from zero to a quarter point and still tank it. why did we start with them? why didn't you start with helping out families, households and small businesses and not make the mistake we made in 2008 all over? maybe you're catering too much to the top again and not to the people that do the buying in the first place? >> i think you're channelling every viewer at home right now with that question, and what's important to keep in mind is that you have to keep the plumbing going so that buyers and sellers can have an orderly marketplace because what that will do hypothetically, what the fed is trying to do is calm the nerves out there right now and not get people thinking should i

sell, you know, stocks in my 401 k or what do i do about that? but to your point, what investors want to see is congress stepping in to help those people. they want to see tax rebates. they want to see hands in -- they want to see cash in the hands of consumers and you better bet that donald trump is going to press for this like crazy because consumers are driving his economy. they are keeping him in office by spending, spending, spending, if they're cancelling vacations and not going out for dinner, all of that, you have large companies today announcing closures of stores, nike, apple saying it's going to close some stores outside of china. all of that will trickle down to the bottom line and force these companies potentially to do layoffs. we're seeing it in the airlines. all of that is going to have an impact on kconsumer psychology, chris, and trump will fight like

crazy to make sure the consumer feels safe and wants to spend. >> i got you. when you play to the safety of the voter, nine times out of ten you go to their pocketbook. you know what that one time out of ten is? their health. right now coronavirus is playing to something bigger than the bottom line so it's a tricky play. thank you for the analysisme. appreciate it. we'll have a senior advisor for joe biden talk about how tonight's debate may affect the race ahead. stay with us. would you really understand it with just that point of view? we've got a different way to look at it, from right here on the ground. we don't just see united states we see united towns. from where we sit, just down the street, near the post office, by the park, when we stop and look around, what we see are sparks.

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all right. so before tonight's debate, you had joe biden as the clear front runner in a race where eventual republican opponent president trump is looking vulnerable in november. what about after the debate? did biden do what he needed to do to maintain his edge? let's get perspective from his team, simon sanders, senior advisor, four years ago worked for the sanders' presidential campaign. so sanders, how do you feel your man biden did tonight? >> well, good to see you, chris. wish you were here.

we think vice president biden did great. look, at a time where the nation and the world truly is facing a crisis, viewers were tuning into this debate to see leadership, to see someone who could handle this pandemic that faces us, to see someone that could provide clear competent leadership and a plan to carry us forward. i think i saw that in vice president biden. the first moments of the debate were extremely impactful. i think we got to hear past coronavirus and covid-19 and climate change and we heard about social security. we got interest a deep section on foreign policy. vice president biden demonstrated tonight he will be ready to lead on day one, what voters are looking for, democratic voters we think is someone that can deliver results. they're actually not looking for a revolution and i think vice president gave them a clear road map why he's the person that can deliver results for this country. >> simone, what do you think of

the cristicism biden went too often where bernie sanders wanted him to go and didn't stick on leadership and talking about trump and having debates about the past and policy positions that have no bearing on where the country is right now in this moment, which is the threat to too many about coronavirus? >> well, actually, chris, i think vice president biden did a good job of bringing the conversation back to what we are facing right now. you heard him say a number of times during this debate, we don't have to wait. we can do this now. senator sanders tried to take the debate on a number of different turns, if you will, when it comes to health care and particularly talking about covid-19 tonight and vice president biden redirected the conversation and said look, i agree there is things we can get done in the system but first, we have to address what people are dealing with now, the economic strife they are feeling now with the closings happening. we have to provide for people now and do it and we're capable

and i think that's what folks were looking forward to hearing tonight. >> one policy point. bernie had a theme tonight, which is biden and i are different and he's changing to be more like me. one of the points where he seemed to feel particular confidence was about joe biden then senator 1995 talking about social security on the floor of the senate and saying that entitlement were on the table in terms of cuts to get down, need a deficit reduction. the senators answer, the vice president answer said they're on the table but i never voted for any cuts. is that good enough to get away from the criticism that you changed on it? >> to be clear, chris, it's true. and vice president biden when he was a senator, when he was a vice president to barack obama for eight years never avendvoca or cast a vote or whip anyone in support for cutting social security. he and president obama worked to

expand and the plan right now, if you go to our website www.joe biden.com, you can read his plan on zt. senator sanders lobbed a number of attacks tonight that were like a broken record, his greatest hits against joe biden and the reality is none of these hits have stuck, if you will, because voters know joe biden, they know his record and they're just not buying it. again, we're always happy to have a debate about the issues but on this one, i think senator sanders missed the mark. >> how about this? from politics to process? cdc says no groupings bigger than 50. that's like every poll station except in various small counties. the idea of delaying primaries, senator sanders seemed comfortable with that. we should listen to what the cdc says. delay the primaries, if we have to. what are your concerns? >> i want to be clear. democracy is extremely important in times of war and in times of

strife, our country has always upheld the need to uphold our democracy. we have voted in wartimes. we have -- votes were held many times in this country after again times of strife. the reality is the cdc has in fact, yes, issued guidance that has told people to keep their social distancing, not to gather in large crowds and governors across the country, particularly in the states that vote on tuesday, ohio, arizona, florida, illinois, they have said they feel comfortable and are confident that the elections will not only be safe but that they can carry them out and so i am looking to these governors, frankly, to abide by the cdc guidance and if they say they can administer this process, we believe them, frankly. a number of early votes have been cast. >> right. >> i was looking at stuff today that said florida easi's early numbers are tracking ahead than 2016. i encourage folks to use your voice, your vote is your voice

and our democracy is extremely important and even in times of strife in this country, we have to do our duties. so the cdc and folks have said it's safe out there for tuesday, so i don't know what senator sanders was talking about but governor in ohio said it's safe so i encourage people to get out and vote on tuesday. >> appreciate your take. >> thank you. >> i know as your home, you're saying which message do i listen to? i know. it's a big problem. we have it on the federal level and different levels. what advice do i follow and why and for how long? we'll get it together. we'll get through the information together. we'll take a break now. when we come back, final thoughts on this debate, such a singular and remarkable moment will mean for all of us including the election going forward. the network has to be prepared to absorb whatever is going to come its way. we're always preparing. make sure that the network is working. all the time. we are constantly looking at it, we're constantly monitoring it,

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for certainly many days to come. bernie sanders conceded upcoming primaries may have to be reconsidered and talked about his movement. >> i think it's imperative that we defeat trump. i think our campaign of a bi racial, grass roots move the is the way to do it. now we have won some states. joe has won more states than i have, but here is what we're winning. we're winning the ideological states. turns out a pretty good majority of the folks there believe in medicare for all and that's true in almost every state many this country and the other issue we don't talk enough about is we are winning the generational struggle depending on the state, we're winning people 50 years of age or younger, big time people 30 year of age and younger. i frankly have my doubts. look, if i lose this thing, joe wins, joe, i will be there for

you but i have my doubts about how you win a general election against trump will be a very, very tough opponent unless you have energy, excitement, the largest voter turnout in history, and to do that, you are going going to have to bring young people. >> i understand his argument, but the energy and excitement, i mean has been for biden people coming out to the poll frs biden. now, you can argue they're not young. certainly that is true. and maybe they're not energetic, maybe not that excited. but they're coming out to vote. >> we saw surge in voting in places like virginia and states like michigan. the thing is it's not that young voters aren't turning out. it's that proportional to the rest of the vote they're turning out in smaller proportions than those that are 40 and older. biden still wants to focus on what sanders is saying which is in states like texas, sanders

won 58% of young voters that are 29 and younger. and states like california he won like 57% of those 44 and younger. it's not just 29 and younger. it's also 44 and younger. and that's a demographic that biden needs to work on addressing. they are very energetic about sanders and his stances on climate change and health care. >> if you look at the rallies obviously there's a difference. but this is a deficiency for joe biden. there's no doubt about that. this is part of the work he's going to have to do as the democratic nominee, if indeed he wins the nomination has he's on path to do. and he understands that. you know, and by the way the latino vote. i don't get the sense of the biden campaign that they can sit back and assume donald trump is going to be motivation enough. my sense is they understand it's a deficiency. it's why i think there's so much work that's going to be done to

bring sanders on board in a significant way because it is such a critical part to the over -- when you think about the obama coalition that david is so familiar with, young people were a critical part of that obama coalition. that's the last coalition that delivered the white house. >> but those young people felt like they were part of a movement, part of a mission, part of a cause. so, you know, clearly biden recognizing. the problem is the fact that the two things he moved on in the last couple of days were, you know, college affordability and the bankruptcy law particularly as it related to student debt tells you that he's thinking about this. but again he needs to -- it's more important i think that he embody the spirit of the ke concerns of these young people than any particular position. >> he can't be more bernie than bernie. he is who he is. he can try to adopt bernie's

policies. but as he said the other nied and maybe he didn't mean to say it was i'm the bridge to the next generation. will that be enough? is a bridge what younger voters are looking for? i think in bernie they didn't want the bridge. they want the revolution now and they don't want to wait. but the question is will they vote for -- come out and vote for biden if bernie's not on the ballot? i don't think we know the answer to that at this point. >> chris, back to you. >> anderson, thank you very much. starting with you governor, closing thoughts on what mattered tonight and where it takes us. >> i think the final thought is i thought for the general election this was very important. you've got trump's lies and craziness versus what you saw with biden and sanders with a serious discussion on the coronavirus. and we tend to in these type of things to focus on the disagreements. but those two agree a lot more on the issues. so, i'm optimistic that we're going bring this party unified

together. trump is just off and he's not telling the truth. people are scared to death. and they saw tonight a commander in chief and i think it was a good night for us. >> kristen, your take. >> i think it was clarifying and interesting because this is really the first time we had two people representing two different ways of thinking in the democratic party and really representing their views very coherently and going at each other over those views. like i said before, i think maybe there's a little too much relitigating of the past, but nonetheless, i thought it was overall a very substantive debate and i thought they equated themselves very well. most people are looking at the electability issue. they are concerned about the virus and whether or not -- they don't feel comfortable with trump i think for the most part. so, can one of these men be the people? >> take it anywhere you want, dan. but you have found what you were looking for in your party. how do i bring these people together. the answer is the coronavirus and the response of leadership,

making this country feel safe again. >> well, i tell you, to me the most profound moment is they didn't shake hands, not because they're not friends. not because they don't want to be united. they couldn't shake hands because we're in a moment now we've never been in before where we're facing a true pandemic. and national leaders who are trying to make a difference literally cannot touch each other. now, that's a different election. i don't think people get what a different country we are waking up in this week. and i think the opportunity for a bernie or a biden to really capture that and say i really get that was missed all too much tonight. it was a little bit there in the beginning and a little bit there at the end. but there are people afraid tonight. there are people who are in prisons right now waiting for the pandemic to hit. their voices have not been heard yet. there are people with homeless shelters sitting next to empty hotel rooms, empty campuses,

empty dorms. their voices haven't been heard yet. there needs to be real rethinking of what's happening in this country. and the door is open for big ideas and big hearts. >> anderson, they had an opportunity to deal with it tonight, and here's the reality. there are going to be plenty of more opportunities because we ain't seen nothing yet. >> yes, we are on the cusp of great change. thanks everyone for watching. more news next. as a struggling actor,

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♪ good evening from washington, d.c. welcome to this unique event. the cnn univision democratic presidential debate with the two leading candidates for the democratic nomination, former vice president joe biden and vermont senator bernie sanders. candidates, it's good to have you. i'm jake tapper along with dana bash. >> we come together tonight at an extraordinary time in our country when people are worried about far more than just