to june. so, i -- you are seeing some examples. but to your point, anderson, about a cascading effect, i find it hard to believe in this environment that we're in right now with still 36 hours to go before polls open that the idea of proceeding as planned -- it doesn't seem like anything in society is proceeding as planned. i'll be surprised if these elections will as well. >> we're going to have more from our team here. i want to go back to chris in new york. >> it's a fascinating conversation. just in real time as anderson was talking with his panel we get another huge change and life is understood in one of if not the symbolic city of this country. new york city is going to be living in a way we've never seen. i've got van jones, and governor terry mccullough. who made the most of where we are now tonight? >> well, in the middle of a pandemic, the healer has real

appeal. i think biden came across as that healer. early on he had very strong moments. but this is probably both of their best debates. you know, bernie sanders was able to slice and dice biden on some really key policy points, holding him accountable for his record, and try to push -- i agree, i think that bernie went out there with the idea i'm going to stick up for what i believe in and push this guy to either acknowledge he's not with the real change or to come closer. but i thought if this was the last big moment for bernie sanders, if this thing is going to be wrapped up soon -- and some people say it will, some people say it won't -- but i think he equated himself well but i don't think he expanded his base tonight. he needs to do that to change the math and dynamics. i don't think he did that, but i think he changed the physics of the party other the past four years. and that shows through tonight.

>> to me, tonight is about coronavirus. people in the country don't have the same ear for differences in health care, differences in entitlements, any kind of plan you have, if you don't have a plan for keeping this virus away from me and my family and helping me deal with it. you can argue bernie sanders had a tough position tonight because his plan will probably lower capacity. if you look at it, you're going goat refunded on the medicare rate. the medicare rate is lower than rates at hospitals now because it's a blended rate and they get an augmentation from the private sector. he's going to get rid of the private sector. so, he's arguing for systemic change. but his fix does not address capacity. >> if you're just going for -- in a single payer system you're just going from having private insurance companies versus just the government comes in and acts as the insurance company. >> rate of reimbursement changes. that's a key part of the plan. >> but they can address that

issue. i mean it's not like -- >> in this moment right now, your question -- not your question. >> yeah. >> -- is capacity. >> yeah. >> help me with capacity. i'm so scared that you're not going to have enough of this. bernie talks systemic change. biden talked i'll get it done right now. i'll deal with the big changes later. which worked better? >> i think in this moment right now what people just want is a sense of somebody who's steady. i don't think people -- first of all they're not going to snap their fingers and make anything happen. they would have to get a democratic senate. there's a lot of things that would have to happen. every single poll we've had this election and every conversation we've had with people, the thing people care about is can you beat donald trump. ultimately that is what people are deciding. i think tonight we added in what are you going to do about coronavirus. >> they kind of go together because this is probably president trump's biggest vulnerability to date. >> there are people how are you going to go up against donald

trump in a debate and i think people had concerns about joe biden on that front. i think he laid those concerns to rest. >> really? why? >> i think he was strong. he was clear. in the past he had stumbles. he didn't have any that i thought were particularly catastrophic tonight. and this was a very intense two hours. >> sure. >> this wasn't just him having a disagreement with one person -- bernie was really going after him. so, i think he quitted himself well on that front and i think he's probably met the bar. i agree i think bernie had a good night as well. i don't know what benefit comes from relitigating the past though over and over and over. we've done this and what really matters is what people believe today. it doesn't matter as much as what they believed 30 years ago. >> i probably would have asked you a follow up question about well why three weeks ago? but i'm with you 100% right now because of the moment we live in, governor.

it's not -- you know, look. we've all been making a concerted effort at cnn. it's not about panic. i'll be reasonable. surrender the me to the we and we will get through this more quickly. they're living in a moment right now. people are looking at trump differently right now because of the extin sis that are real. it's not theoretical. that was the floor of the debate. how did each gentleman handle it tonight? >> clearly biden won the night. i liked what he said. we're going to use the military to build hospitals. he had concrete ideas. senator sanders kept trying to get back to medicare for all. people at home are terrified of covid-19. i don't know what to do. restaurants and bars are closing. i go to the grocery store. all the aisles are empty. he wants to talk about who's going goif them leadership on the issue of coronavirus and clearly biden did that tonight.

i've done a lot of debates. i've done debates where i was leading the race and done debates where i wasn't leading. joe biden went in clearly as the leader and you deflect, look like you're the winner, and don't get yourself caught in any position that's going to bother you. and senator sanders had to really -- i'll go after him on different issues. i think the problem for senator sanders is we've got the damn coronavirus going on today and woman as vp. we had great women candidates running for president this time. for joe biden this was a great debate leading into four gigantic contests. >> it may be the end because the contests go against the cdc recommendation of not having groupings of more than 50 people. this is a weird mixed message we have going on. give me a quick take and i want to go to sanjay.

>> if you think about biden up against trump, biden's pride of his record gets in the way. listen, when bernie sanders is throwing those lefts and rights at you, you can sit there and try to defend, defend or just say you know what? i have learned and i have changed and here's what i think now. his refusal pause of h upgainstp who's going to go much harder after his record thanid bernie tonight. >> fair point. let me bring in sanjay second. sanjay, i know that once again the nation is looking to you for perspective on what's going on here and your understanding of what's going on with the governthe recommendation from c right in line with peoples' fear of the unknown. i knew this would get worse. i know -- i knew they were going to close it down. they're going to quarantine us. we're all going to have -- the how do you handle expectations when the information is moving in the dir movin more and more closures? >> well, it's a fair point,

chris. and i think that one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of these things that are being proposed and what anthony fauci's been talking about for some time are in some ways designed to prevent this fro getting worse. it's not necessarily that we've gotten worse and this goes into action, get this far worse, this goes into action. restaurants a take out food or delivery food only in new york versus all the way to, you know, a more national sort of lockdown of a country. if you're going to do these things, they have to be done early, chris, because if you wait too long they really don't have the impact. so, some people say it's a huge measure. that means that things have gotten really bad. not necessarily. i don't want to minimize this, but what i'm saying is that if you're going to do these types of things at all, you typically want to do them early. and we're still early in this. but you get beyond a percent of these to tell you you're

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well, a debate like none we have seen so far. two candidates at some points as far apart on the issues as they were on the stage, their confrontation happening, every vital moment, in front of the country and the world. i want to play the first moment from the debate. the subject was the coronavirus. here's what senator sanders had to say. >> first thing we have got to do whether or not i'm president is to shut this president up right now because he is undermining the doctors and the scientists who are trying to help the american people. it is unacceptable for him to be blabbering with unfactual information that is confusing the general public.

>> i ask anthony fauci who to listen to. he didn't say don't listen to the president. he didn't use your words. he said listen to the scientists. >> we should all be proud that we have public servants like dr. fauci and many others. they are the heros and the heroins of the moment. and of course he has to be diplomatic as he's dealing with the president of the united states. but the truth of the matter is you've got a president who is arrogant, ignorant, who is undermining the good work of scientists, who keeps making these absurd remarks. and in fact he underestimated, diminished the initial threat facing this country. a president who had a brain in his head would have brought the scientists together and said how serious is this, not talk about well i have -- what was his statement? i have an unusual ability to understand the issue or it's going to all clear up in april. >> in a hunch. >> in a hunch.

this is not what the people of this country of the world need. so, he has done harm in delaying the kind of response -- >> do you think it's caused people their lives? initially he said there's 15 cases but they're getting better. it may just go away. it can miraculously -- >> what a serious president dealing with serious scientists would have said, woah, we have a potential crisis here. we have to prepare for the worse case possibilities. we've got to get moving on this. maybe it won't be that bad but we've got to prepare for the worse. and clearly his thing was you know, i'm on top of it. i think he's still talking about being on top of it. not going to be such a serious problem. >> essentially said they've got it under control today. >> under control, the scientists are talking about hundreds of thousands of people dying, under control. >> overseas there's conflicts, but there's a lot of citizens who have not experienced

anything remotely like this, not seen grocery stores empty, not seen restaurants shut down, not seen a potential pandemic which has potential for serious damage in this country. i think this is an opportunity for sort of a realization of the importance of citizenship and taking care of myself is actually taking care of somebody else. and ooi'm not going to buy all e hand sanitizer even if i can find it because it doesn't matter if i have it all if my friend over here doesn't have it. it's dangerous to me too. >> i think what you're saying is if there has ever been a moment we're in this together, not just philosophically or from a moral perspective but from reality perspective. if i'm sick and i touch you, you're going to get sick. but really the point that i tried to make tonight in the debate is one, we have to move incredibly aggressively in terms of the coronavirus, why we have

to move very aggressively in term of the economic fallout, especially for the children and the elderly. how are people going to eat? what happens when you lose your job? we've got to get income. we've got to deal with that. my view is we make everybody whole. that's what we've got to do. we have to worry about all of our people. but it's also a time for reflection. i think that what happens after this crisis is over -- and it will be over -- are we satisfied with the health care system which is not a system? i mean, at the end of the day we have 87 million people who are really nervous about whether they can afford to go to the doctor or not. we have a complicated system. people saying we're going to pay for treatment. maybe yes, maybe not. where do we get the treatment? we do not have a health care. that's indisputable. and i hope and i believe that people understand when we spend

so much money for health care and so many people are underinsured and we have pharmaceutical companies thinking oh, man, how can i make a fortune on this one? it's disgusting. what kind of nation do we want to be? do we want to be a nation where we work together to address the problems facing the country or a nation where the people on top continue to make huge amounts of money through greed and corruption? >> i want to play something that vice president biden said along these lines and have you respond to what he said. >> we have problems we have to solve now. now. what's the revolution going to do? disrupt everything in the meantime? look, bernie talks about -- excuse me. the senator talks about his medicare for all. he still hasn't told you how he's going to ever get it passed. he hasn't told you about possibility of that happening. he hasn't told you how much it's going to cost. he hasn't told you how it's going to apply.

it doesn't kick in for four years after it passes. pass the biden health care plan which takes obamacare, restores cuts made to it, subsidizes further, provides for lower drug prices, make sure there's no hidden bills, make sure we invest $50 billion in dealing with underlying disease that are great consequence, diabetes, alzheimer's, and cancer. make sure we have a medicare option that's in a public option providing medicare for us. we can do that now. i can get that passed. i can get that done if i'm president of the united states of america. that will be a fundamental change, and it happens now. i can tell you from experience being a significant consumer in health care with my sons, my family, all the things we've gone through. what people want is hope, and they need it now, not four years from now. and bernie still hasn't told us how he's going to pay for it. >> not quite true. >> we're talking about a three plus trillion dollar plan. >> he's saying people don't want a revolution. >> people overwhelmingly in this

country understand that health care -- that was pretty effective i think on his part. he slaughtered virtually everything i'm trying to do here. is it a revolution to do what every other country does and garn teen health care to all people? is that a revolution? is it a revolution to say to the drug companies you can't charge us ten times more for the same exact drugs you're charging in canada or other countries? sit a revolution to say if you work 40 hours a week you should not live in poverty? is it a revolution -- by the year, to say in the year 2020 when we talk about public education it should include making public colleges and universities tuition free and cancelling all student debt. what's interesting is that biden has adopted some of the -- this is what always happens. suddenly today joe biden is a free spending socialist. my god, we're going to pay for everything. >> that's what he would say -- >> well, it's what he was

saying. no problem. but at the end of the day, that whole rhetoric from biden, he can get it done, what's he getting done? he's basically after all of a sudden maintaining the status quo in health care -- that's what he's looking for, minor changes. he's talking about how i'm going to pay for it. study after study show medicare for all costs less than his proposal. under his proposal, the average american in a family of 60,000 pays $12,000 a year for health care. s that unbelievable. our plan is substantially lower. >> at this point though -- i hate to talk about the politics of this but we are in a presidential race and in spite of this it continues. at this stage, what is the path ahead for you? >> well, the path ahead is to bring as many people who do not

traditionally vote into the political process. and that is young people is working class people who understand that we have a corrupt political system in which billionaires buy elections and make it easier for the wealthy to become richer while working class people are struggling. >> that's the new argument you made understandably. and the idea we're going to have this massive voter turnout, people haven't been in the process, and in some cases you've been able to do that, latino voters coming in nevada and elsewhere. young people not coming out in the numbers has been disappointing clearly. >> young people -- i think the media hasn't got it quite right. young people are voting in higher numbers, not in high in some states as general population. older people vote in very large numbers. >> that is what the vice president was saying tonight. there have been people coming out but it's been people that are over -- >> let me say this again.

two things. i think we are winning the ideological struggle. there's joe biden echoing a lot of the adopted -- i would go further -- >> but you're making the argue thamt the road ahead for you is bringing more people into the process. is that, those people, bringing them to vote for biden? >> no, they're not going to vote for biden. they're going to be a different constituency. this takes you to the general e ex will. it's one thing to get people to vote in a primary. but when you have what i call non-traditional voters, people say i don't know. they're not going to vote nay primary. they will more likely vote in a general election? how do you beat trump if you don't have a huge voter turnout? how do you have a huge voter turnout? i think we're in a better position to do that than joe

biden is. >> but is your hope if you can't be the person, you can't be the nominee, to at least get biden to come to -- in order to appeal to the young people coming out for you, to get biden to come to, at least embrace more of your positions? >> you know, it's a funny thing. you hear media and others talk about it. isn't it remarkable we had 18 candidates beginning this process, so many of them have moved so far. yesterday biden basically is saying i voted for the bankruptcy bill. bad idea. i'm going to adopt elizabeth warren's position. that's a good bill. today he says i think we should make public colleges and universities tuition free up to a certain level. yes. we'll see how real it is. but i think people have got to make the choice about whether they want the real thing, something i've been fighting for

for years or somebody who just changed his views the last two days. >> the cdc has put out a recommendation saying any grouping of more than 50 people should not take place. i mean, should there be a primary on tuesday? >> that is a very good question. you know, louisiana and georgia and puerto rico have delayed their elections -- postponed to a date in the future. you know, election dates are very, very important. we don't want to get into the habit of messing around with them. you remember, 9/11 -- you know there was a primary in new york city? do you remember that? >> i don't. >> there was a primary and it was cancelled for obvious reasons in new york city, and it was rescheduled two weeks later. i would hope governors would listen to the public health experts. as you were just saying, we don't want gatherings of more than 50 people. i'm thinking about some of the elderly people sitting behind the desks, registering people.

does that make a lot of sense? i'm not sure that it does. >> just ahead a democratic who has also been on the debate stage, andrew yang joins us when our debate coverage continues.

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we have more now on what you just heard bernie sanders say about his path to victory, about his performance tonight, and how the coronavirus has affected this nominating process, apart from just the lack of a live studio audience. former candidate andrew yang joins us now. and first, quickly, let me play you, andrew, a moment from tonight. this is biden questioning whether sanders' medicare for all plan would really be suited for the moment we're facing. >> with all due respect to medicare for all, you have a single payer system in italy. it doesn't work there. it has nothing to do with medicare for all. that would not solve the problem at all. we can take care of that right now by making sure that no one has to pay for treatment, period, because of the crisis, no one has to pay for whatever drugs are needed, period, because of the crisis, nobody

has to pay for hospitalization because of the crisis, period. that is a national emergency and that's how it's handled. it is not working in italy right now. and they have a single payer system. >> andrew yang joins us. you know him as the head of the yang gang, a newly minted cnn political commentator who has endorsed joe biden. how did you feel about your man's answer there? >> i think joe had a great point. but then he also missed bernie's point. so he had a great point where it's a capacity problem right now. we're not sure we have the hospital beds, the protective equipment, the facilities, or the health care providers in order to actually serve everyone who's going to come in. and so italy is an example where you have single payer health care and they have capacity issues. and joe is right in saying we need to build capacity. but bernie was also right in that millions of americans right now are completely steering clear of the health care system because they don't think they

can pay for it. they're not even sure if they have a provider to go to. so this is heightening anxiety around how we're going to respond to the coronavirus where millions of americans don't even know how they're going to go about getting tested or whether they can see a doctor. so joe had a point, but bernie had a point as well. >> andrew, do you think that they recognized the moment they're in enough tonight? >> you know, i don't think they did, honestly. and despite the fact that they both talked about the coronavirus for quite some time, but if you look at the cdc's announcement where they think we shouldn't have gathers of # 50 plus or 8 weeks. that's two months. and you live in new york city, chris. you know what closing all the restaurants and bars, tens of thousands of waitresses, parking attendants, security guards, these are not people who can just go home and sit around for weeks or months on end. we need to have a dramatic economic stimulus. they talked about making workers whole even as these workers are

losing wages or jobs. there's no way we can make them whole without sending checks or putting money into people's hands. i wish one or both of them had said, look, to do this we have to put money to work in a very different and dramatic way. >> now, what dour you think it means -- let's move off the politics and just talk practicality for a second. bernie sanders seemed comfortable with the idea of delaying primaries, moving them back. now, you can either see that as just an authentic answer, or, yeah, it works for him, the more time he has the better before primaries because it's looking bad for him right now. but in terms of the process and the pressure to keep people from big groups, it is tough to argue at the same time that you should are holding primaries on one level, is it not? >> it is really hard. they had a debate to an empty room. they've canceled all rallies. and so saying that people should turn out in droves in these states and wait in lines. i will say, if you vote, the

lines will probably be pretty short. so, if you do show up, it might not actually be much of a risk that way. but the states are moving forward on tuesday even though some other states have pushed it back. and the fundamental dynamics of this race that probably just about frozen in place as david axelrod was saying because of the fact that the public's attention has turned to the coronavirus. you're going to see voting turnout in all likelihood plummet upcoming, because people are staying at home. >> especially when you have cdc guidance saying don't be in groups more than 50 and every polling place is certainly going to have more than that except in remote counties. what's your best sense, andrew, of whether or not one or both of these gentlemen change their fates tonight? >> i think bernie had a very strong night. he presented himself as a very steady, consistent messenger. i think joe engaged with bernie more than i thought he would, i thought he was going to be like "trump, trump, trump," to pivot to the general as much as

possible. i also think joe really missed an opportunity to speak to young people when questioned about it. instead he just talked about how he was winning anyway. and i thought that was a missed opportunity. the fact is bernie needed a complete transformation of the dynamic of the race tonight, and that required not just for bernie to have a great night, which he did have. but it required joe to do something truly self-sabotaging which he did not do. i think this race is going to continue to have joe as the favorite. >> andrew yang, always a pleasure. let's go back to the panel. bernie sanders' argument is this, listen, the young people with me. we see it all time. look at the rallies. look at the polls. they don't vote in primaries. that is an unfair judgment standard for me. in the general, i will bring them out in a way joe biden cannot that's why i'm still in the race. >> it just hasn't happened.

we've had about 13% of the younger person turnout. >> the primary. they will come in the general. >> they won't show up in the primary and show up in the general. i guess you could say that. i'm the ""wizard of oz"" too. you have primaries. your job is to energize people and get them to vote for you now and get people to build your coalition. i've been saying this on cnn for eight months, who can build the broad collision. today biden has been able to show it, but we'll see. i do disagree with andy. i thought biden tonight on climate change, issue of college, on other issues that he talked about, the bankruptcy bill, i think he moved on a lot of bernie's issues today. and bernie didn't want to take a win on him, i think a lot of supporters are watching it tonight so i do think joe biden talked about a lot of issues that resonate with young people, free college under 125,000, spent a lot of time on issues of climate change. talked about the bankruptcy bill with elizabeth warren. so, i disagree with andy.

i thought he did put a message out there of young people. >> now you'll feel the grief of the yang gang. [ laughter ] there's grief coming your way. >> gang gang's peaceful. >> what do you think of the state of play after this? >> yeah, i do think that joe biden is a prohibitive favorite and he didn't do anything to harm himself tonight and bernie didn't do enough to necessarily change the trajectory. to reach out to the bernie voters, which is something that his campaign is sort of been signaling, he's trying to do. certainly on the policies, he did mention some things, but this was a much more combative debate than i was expecting. and so i think if you are trying to win over -- you know, if you're trying to pivot if you're biden and trying to win over those people that support bernie, i don't know that he was really doing anything in the tone. even as bernie is saying things to him and chuckling and laughing and condescending. that's not going to win over

sanders' supporters. that doesn't mean they can't ultimately be won over but i don't think he did much tonight. >> you are right about the yang gang. >> yes. >> they are passionate. they love him and the ideas. they are the least nasty of any coalition i've had to deal with going forward. what did you think about this? >> i agree. i think a couple of things. first of all, you know, you did have yang on and he did make a good point, which is that if we're going to be honest, the only way to keep the economy from going into a complete free fall now is to put money directly into the hands of people and that is yang sort of, universal basic income, that repurpose in a crisis could make a huge difference. it would have been smart, trying to put stuff together if biden had come out and said that, he might have inherited a big chunk of the yang gang, got energy and smart stuff. i think the other thing i would say is that this process now that biden has to go through of expanding his own coalition to include as many people from sanders that will come along, assuming things keep going the way they are is tough because it's not just policies.

it's also this other stuff, these intangibles. for instance, hillary tried this with bernie, as well. hillary also adopted a bunch of platform planked proposals from bernie, but she never signalled the respect. she never signalled that she really got where these people were coming from and appreciated what bernie had done. i think biden fell into that a bit. both of them were kind of missing the love letters. every now and again, biden would try to say a little nice thing to bernie and bernie would miss the point. some of that stuff was going on but i think that we're in a process by which biden has to figure out how not just from a policy point of view but from the personal and tangible point of view he signals i get ya and i want ya. >> maybe i'm missing something, gov, you tell me but we -- there was six feet apart tonight because cnn is respecting the idea about social contact and these are two older people, right? coronavirus was in the space between the two of them and i really believe that every time they engaged with each other about anything else, you know,

kristen knight talking about how good journalism works, not on the podium. everybody watching is worried about one thing and i don't think they made enough of it. what does that mean going forward? >> the second part of the question is it's not only the health implications of coronavirus, it's what is going to damage our economy. >> right. >> and for trump. >> and our morale. >> the only thing that held him up with all of the foolishness and all of the insanity and all of his tweets and every crazy thing he does is that people's 401ks were up and they said first of all president obama left him a great economy. but i'm here now and i've given you a great economy. that stool, that leg of that stool is gone. i mean, we'll see what happens. the futures are up 9% but see what happens on monday. but clearly trillions have been knocked off the stock market. so it's a huge problem for trump because it's not only the economy. let's remember he hasn't solved the testing issue which we all talk about every single day.

south korea is 20% of our population when you think of that. they're doing 12,000 tests a day. we have done 28,000 total in the united states of america. >> look, anybody that says we'll catch up, it's going to happen, they're not telling you guys the truth. we have to take a break. as a matter of fact here, you're not going to catch up with testing. that's not going to happen. the futures with all due respect to the governor are in a tank right now. they're expecting the market to open up about somewhere between 1,000 to 1200 points down. so let's take a break and i hear what you're saying about wanting to have known more and you're more desperate for leadership on coronavirus. tell the candidates because they're the ones who control the conversation. after this, we're going to talk to a representative of the biden campaign about the former vps night. stay with us. o, son. dad! not cool. you know what's not uncool? old spice after hours... and jazz. dad, i prefer ultra smooth, it handles sweat without all that...jazz. you're right son.

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>> all right, wers at the top of the hour after the cnn univision presidential debate that did not lack for substance, and frankly some real friction between the candidates and breaking news, anderson. all this going on in the shadow

of more changes to what we used to know as normal. >> seemed more contentious than maybe more people anticipated and joe biden responding to some of the appointed critiques by senator biden. we saw joe biden, bernie sanders each layout alternatives to how the trump administration is handling the clash with the health care system, social security, the senator's past statements about cuba, as well. >> right. v.p. biden committing to pretty big deal, female running mate. i guess people assumed it would be but for him to say yes, in light of the senator sanders wasn't as definitive. he said i am leaning that way. it's not just enough to have a woman. it has to be a progressive and there are a lot of progressive women. and biden seemed more definitive. in all, a significant news making debate has certainly probably the most crucial point we've had maybe since 2008, maybe since 9/11. here is a moment from it. both candidates talking about

the ways coronavirus changed their campaigning. >> last night, we had a fire side chat, not a rally. i love doing rallies, and we bring many thousands of people out to our rallies. i enjoy it very much. we're not doing that right now. in fact, our entire staff is working from home. so on a personal level, what we're doing is i'm not shaking hands. joe and i did not shake hands and i am very careful about the people i am interacting with. i am using a lot of soap and hand sanitizers to make sure that i do not get the infection and i have to say, you know, thank god right now i do not have any symptoms and i feel very grateful for that. >> doing virtual town hall meetings. we're in a situation where now, i do not, as i said, when we encounter people, we're not going into crowds. i'm taking all the precautions everyone else should be taking. i wash my hands god knows how

many times a day with hot water and soap. i carry with me, as a matter of fact in my bag outside here, hand sanitizer. i don't know how many times i use that. i make sure i don't touch my face and so on. >> let's start things off with jeff zeleny. a quick breakdown of the key points and there were a lot of them. jeff, talk about key moments and how the campaigns feel about the night. >> there is no question the biden campaign feels good about this evening and this is why. they went into this trying to make the argument why the former vice president is ready for this moment. this, you know, pandemic has sort of focused the attention on what a president should do, the job, the role, the responsibility of the president. so, they believe, the biden campaign and his advisers we've been speaking to, do believe they made those points throughout the debate. the sanders' campaign on the other hand, one thing that was clear earlier in the day, they said they were going to perhaps not necessarily go as far into joe biden's background and

record, but boy this sounded in some respects through a chunk of the debate like any other debate, like it was any other moment, talking about some of those old votes that the former vice president had as senator. but anderson, it's clear this say new moment. this is a new time in this campaign. so in that respect, joe biden and his advisors believe that he met that moment more than bernie sanders but i think at the end of the day, you guys were talking about the headline there. joe biden went into the debate tonight i'm told by his advisors wanting to make a headline grabbing news for the fact that he does plan to pick a woman as a running mate. not a huge surprise necessarily but certainly something that draws attention to him looking forward. so his entire presentation was about the fall, was about going after president trump and looking forward. but anderson, there's one issue here. he still has to win the primary, and yes he's the leader in the delegates here. but bernie sanders did not show any sign he's going to wrap this up any time soon.

>> yeah, i want to point out one of the moments from tonight. let's play it. >> sure. >> if i'm elected president, my cabinet and administration will look like the country and i commit i will in fact, appoint -- pick a woman to be vice president. there are a number of women who are qualified to be president tomorrow. i would pick a woman to be my vice president. >> vice president -- if i could follow up. to be clear, you committed here tonight your running mate if you get the nomination will be a woman? >> yes. >> senator, just to be clear, the vice president committed to picking a woman as his running mate. if you get the nomination, will you? >> in all likelihood, i will. for me, it's not just nominating a woman. it is making sure that we have a progressive woman, and there are progressive women out there. so, my very strong tendency is to move in that direction. >> it was interesting exchange and clearly made a lot of news on biden's part.

>> no doubt. and i think again it did a couple of things. one, for the biden campaign, it allowed them to focus forward and focus on the fact that they do think that he will be a nominee. bernie sanders is says i want someone who supports medicare for all first. i think on the biden side of things, he's the leader in the delegate and mathematically different to catch up. i think the thing is there's a lot of speculation who was he talking about? the three senators who he ran against. there are others on the list, as well. i was talking to one democrat tonight after the debate on capitol hill said what about tammy baldwin from wisconsin, someone like that? we could enter the phase of a lot of people's names being mentioned. i think the reality here is it's getting ahead of ourselves. what has to happen here? a, there have to be votes that happen and we don't know where this pandemic is going. that's one thing that worries the biden campaign the most, it's slowed down his speed, if you will, and this whole crisis

could slow down the actual votes, as well. we don't know what the convention is looking like. leading this debate tonight, probably the last democratic debate, the biden campaign feels strong. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. i want to play another key moment from tonight and from the democratic party in november. >> i want to make it clear, if bernie's the nominee, i will not only support him, i will campaign for him. i believe the people who support me will do the same thing. he's knows the existential threat to the united states of america is donald trump. it's critical. i would hope that bernie would do the same thing if i'm the nominee and encourage all of his followers to in fact support me, as well, because it's much bigger than any of us, character of the nation is on the ballot. it goes well beyond whether or not -- senator sanders and i both agree. >> senator sanders for his part returned the favor and promise. back now with our team here in washington. i was talking to bernie sanders

after this and he is still making the argument that he is bringing in younger voters. he is bringing in people who are not going to necessarily be flocking out and eager to campaign for -- or vote for biden. >> we haven't seen that so far in any of the votes that we have seen. what we don't know is who is going to turn out and vote on tuesday. >> and biden made the point -- >> older voters may decide they don't want to vote -- >> those are the people that have been turning out for biden. >> that's right. that's right. >> all the talk for senator sanders in this youth quake, it was actually older people who really -- >> that's right. so we don't -- we don't really know and i think sanders is going to keep making that argument until he can't make the argument anymore. one other thing that was interesting to me tonight was the biden slogan, which is the people are looking for results, not revolution, he thinks his campaign thinks, plays really into this skries we are all in

because what people want to see is tests, the numbers going down, the science working, the leaders working. that's the results that biden is talking about. not revolution. and sanders' argument, which i don't know if it has as much appeal at this point is we need a revolution in the health care system and got to do it now, otherwise -- >> also, sanders' whole argue ment on the revolution when you push him on it, it gets down to the revolution -- and he doesn't like to use really the term revolution. he was saying tonight, is it a revolution to want everybody to have health care as a right? he actually did write the book called "our revolution" which is a best-selling book that made him a millionaire. >> took a hint from that. >> that's where the quote comes from. >> right. >> but his whole argument on it is that it -- the revolution not only requires a massive voter turnout of people who are not in the process but also it

continued massive engagement that he, like donald trump, would continue to benefit from by having campaign-style rallies all while he's president and that would pressure people in congress to force them to pass medicare for all. that argument has started to look very weak because they are not coming out. >> yeah, i think if there is a big disappointment for bernie sander, it's that he built a revolution and they didn't come. and i think that that is problematic for him. for biden, the -- you know, it's less about positioning himself against bernie sanders for the primaries. but i think he thinks positioning himself against bernie sanders plays well in the general election with swing voters in the general election. he's certifying himself as a moderate and he's in that way thinking as a nominee. bernie sanders is right. you know, young people walked away from hillary clinton in 2016 and they need to get

motivated and be motivated in this race. and that's why it comes back to my point of earlier that i think i would have tried to look for ways to give -- to honor their passion, these young people, about what they consider to be existential issues and our existential issues like climate change. >> and that was a missed opportunity for biden. >> he took the bait as gloria said too often and yes, i think that where he -- you know, when you're ahead, when you're the almost certain nominee, you have the option to go big and i think they were prepared -- it's almost as if he prepared for a debate or he began to react as if they were still in the heat of this campaign. and so that was a missed opportunity. it was a very strong night for joe biden because i think this virus is the defining reality in peoples' lives right now and he looked very much like someone who was prepared to take that on. but in this other way, i think

he fell short. >> you heard in that sound bite we were playing about him saying he would campaign for sanders and what have you. this unity project, this is going to be the work and so when david is talking about a missed opportunity, it means this to do list for joe biden remains and will remain for sometime here of the real workings to do. when you are the near certain nominee, the burden is not on bernie sanders' side here. the burden is on joe biden as that near certain nominee to do the work and be wide open and representative and not expecting that people should just come over because you're the nominee but also do the real outreach and the work. >> i think he started doing that. >> he has started. but what i thought tonight was clear is that there are still miles to go in that project. they are not -- this is not, i don't think bernie sanders and joe biden left here, you know, headed to unity, new hampshire,

as we saw with clinton and obama. >> not on the unity express. >> bernie -- >> on that same question, dana asked biden what are you going to do to address your weakness with latino voters? he didn't directly answer it. although his campaign has in the past week started to go on tv with ads targeting latinos, a place that sanders has dominated. his campaign has consistently been reaching out to latinos since iowa. and then sanders didn't answer the question of how would you reach out to black voters and try to win them over if you were to become the ultimate nominee. you saw both of them struggling to speak to voters that they haven't brought into their fold. >> everybody's strength is their weakness, right? bernie sanders' strength is that he speaks in big moral terms about these challenges and i think that the young people who follow him and other people who follow him also think of him in those terms. and when biden responds to it

programatically to those things without honoring the larger spirit, it actually would have been easier to honor the larger spirit and say yeah, that is a challenge we as a country have to commit ourselves too. that was almost more important than some of the details which sort of fell short at least in sanders -- on the other hand, sanders never quite made -- the numbers don't exactly add up on his aspirational program. >> at some points, they sounded like a bunch of senators talking to each other. did you vote for the bill? which -- they got into this senate language and i was thinking to myself, nobody out there really understands what either of them is talking about right now. they have to talk to the american people about what you're talking about which is these bigger things and how i can lead. both of them missed opportunities on that during the debate. >> it did get very 1976 -- >> yeah, i voted for -- there was a long exchange where they laid out different policy positions. it long but worth playing. watch.

>> you know, what leadership is about, joe, and it deals with whether your opposition or your support, i should say for leg -- for legislation regarding gay communities and the so-called defensive marriage act, you remember that bill, right? >> i do. >> it was -- you know, gay marriage today is considered a little bit differently than 25 years ago. i remember that vote. it was a very hard vote. i voted against the defense of marriage act. you voted for it. i voted against the bankruptcy bill. you voted for it. i voted against the war in iraq, which was also a tough vote. you voted for it. i voted against disastrous trade agreements luke nafta and pntr that cost this country over 4

million good paying jobs. you voted for it. i voted lower income women the right to get an abortion. you have consistently voted for it. in other words, all that i'm saying here, we can argue about the merits of the bill. >> vice president biden. >> it takes courage sometimes to do the right thing. >> we can argue about the past and future. this man voted against the brady bill five times, background background checks. background checks. five times. number one. number two, this man is the only -- one of the few democrats i know who voted to exempt the gun industry from being able to be sued. talk about a special, special interest. we should be able to sue drug companies. we should be able to sue tobacco companies. we cannot sue the gun manufactures because he voted for that years ago. he says it was a mistake now. i'm prepared to accept he says it is a mistake. the question is what do we do from this point on? by the way, i might add, i'm the first person to go on national television in any administration and say i support gay marriage.

i supported gay marriage when asked and started a ripple effect. i'm not taking all credit for it, but i'm the first major player to say i support gay marriage on national television. >> that's sort of the moment you were talking about. you see they are two long-time senators. >> so they're talking about their records and, you know, we're not going to talk about the past. we're going to talk about the future except let's talk about what happen 20 years ago voting for this and that and biden thinking did i vote for that? nobody -- it's fine. it done. they're not running for the senate anymore. they're running for the presidency. >> what is interesting about running for the senate, david and i talked about this. the bankruptcy bill biden voted for is an economically important bill because the financial industry is located there. bernie sanders voted against those gun measures because guns is a very, very tough issue in his state. the reality is they both voted their states.

they're not running for senator now. they're running for president. biden could have picked that up and made that point. and said let's talk about the future. they just got into a deep -- >> he went -- >> he said let's talk about the future. about the vote you cast 20 years ago. >> up next we're going to take a break from the politics of the night and focus on public health on the virus and the latest we know. en ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain perfoce. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference.

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nearly 3500 people have been affected in the united states but west virginia. the cdc warned against gathering of more than 50 people, 50 or more. new york city shutting all restaurants except for takeout and delivery which at least will keep people employed. we learned moments ago so is los angeles. joining me is director of the stanford health communication initiative and cnn medical analyst. dr. nguyen is a former health commissioner for the city of baltimore. so dr. nguyen, the cdc saying don't have gatherings larger than 50 people anywhere in the country. that's extraordinary. new york city saying restaurants can only serve takeout or delivery. i know the impact that may have i know what kind of impact that may have on society at large, but just in terms of the virus itself how big a difference will those kind of measures make? >> oh, it's going to make a huge difference and i'm so glad the cdc finally issued guidance today because until now, we've had state and local officials

just doing whatever they think is best, which actually may be good in the sense it's tailored to their community but we also need a federal response that's coordinated and i think that cdc guidance is going to be so important. new york, also and we're seeing this happening in ohio and california and other states where they are limiting these restaurants. and i think all of these measures will make a big difference because we know that at this point social distancing is what's going to save lives. >> vice president biden said tonight that if he was president, he would engage the military to be on the ground, help the response to the coronavirus outbreak. he talked about knowing china military built hospitals and said the military has the capability of building hospitals. in public health emergencies in the past, the national guard or military in various situations in various places have been called in to open up field hospitals to take care of large number of casualties or sick

people. do you think that is where we're heading on this, dr. nguyen? >> i do. so we need both sides of this. we know that there are far too many patients whom are going to be coming into our health care system, at least at the rate we're going. so, we need to increase the capacity. we need to think about how can hospitals increase their capacity as much as possible, but it's not going to be enough. so can we also build additional hospitals the way we have before? on the other hand, we have to say but we're not giving up. we're not just saying there are too many patients that will flood our system. we're also going to try to reduce the rate of transmission through social distancing, through these other aggressive measures that each of us can take now so that we don't end up flooding our health care system. both of these have to be done at the same time so that we can best take care of not only our

most vulnerable who are susceptible to covid-19 but also these other patients who are also going to be seeking care at the same time. >> how far does this go? if you believe, okay, social distancing is the thing and stopping people from moving great distances, potentially spreading something far and wide and to many other people, i mean, at some point do you -- or is domestic air travel, does that get suspended? i mean -- >> i have this question earlier on when i saw that cdc guidance. to me it felt a bit late for sure but also a bit vague. if you're talking about not having gatherings of 50 people -- >> that's a plane. >> what does that imply for people on a plane? so i don't think that's necessarily as clear as it could be. but i also want to point out that i'm really concerned about the news come out today for example from washington state and new jersey where two e.r. doctors have fallen sick with covid-19 and one of him in his 40s in washington state is in the icu.

i'm just concerned we're not talking enough about how we're going to protect front line workers. this is news today and i'm concerned we'll hear more and more stories about unprotected, unsupported e.r. doctors and nurses falling sick with the very easy they're trying to treat. >> we've seen now in italy, people being told stay in your homes. you can go out to a supermarket for i sensuessential things, bus it. is that something -- that's another step. i don't know if that's four steps away or is that the next step? is that likely, do you think? >> i mean, we've heard dr. fauchi say nothing should be off the table and i agree with that sentiment. everything is going to seem like an over reaction until it's not. if we look back a month ago,

month and a half ago, if we were talking about ordering 2 million tests where there were only 12 people in the u.s. who had coronavirus, it would have seemed luke a massive overreaction. but now we're facing a situation where we don't have enough tests and i think we're going to say the same thing about social distancing, too. when we look at the 1918, 1919 flu epidemic, we know that cities that implemented really aggressive measures early had a 50% lower mortality rate than cities that implemented these measures later. and so i think we should take nothing off the table. we should do what we can now through voluntary measures. but at some point it may be necessary to do more. >> doctor, you agree with that? >> i do. i think she is really speaking from a public health perspective here and i say this as a public health doctor myself that when you do well in public health, you almost make yourself look

obsolete because you're doing it so well that it's behind the scenes and preventive and what can happen in instances like this, when you implement these prevention steps, people will say this is an over reaction and ideally, it looks like that because what you see later on is not the spike you anticipated potentially occurring -- >> that's an important point. >> if this all works and all these, what some people might think are draconian measures, it's going to be very easy -- if it works, which would be amazing news and people's lives are saved and people don't die and get sick, people will say this was a complete over reaction and made up by the media. this is whatever -- conspiracy theories are going to flare up. and that's a difficult thing. you then have to contend with well, how do you prove a negative? all these people would have died, had we not done this? >> it's definitely a challenge of public health that if you do it right, it looks like you did

too much. but actually you did too much to prevent the worst-case scenario. >> dr. nguyen and dr. yasmin, thank you. >> we've been in this situation before, hurricanes and natural disasters. i'll take it. i look forward to the day that they say that cooper and cuomo, boy, they had us thinking it was something -- god willing that's where we wind up some day, that it was nothing compared to what we thought. we'll get back to the debate and deal being the reaction and analysis in a moment. but we want to take on another piece of what just happened before and during the debate. to that point, you might know the coronavirus ended this 11-yearlong bull market technically a bear market. it's a negative territory. today the federal reserve tried to inject some stability announcing amongst other actions it will cut the benchmark interest rate to nearly zero. now, it wasn't very high to begin with so it's not a huge move. but symbolically president trump

called it, quote, a big step. but the future for the market tomorrow are still in the tank. cnn business and politics correspondent christina joins us now. now do you see this as the psychology of the market that's keeping it in bear territory or just that the fed did not have enough to give to use their expectations? >> what the fed is trying to do here, chris is put a floor on the panic and it did two things. it cut interest rates to near zero as you said and that's to encourage investors, to keep buying to rebalance that risk reward behavior that we saw out of whack over the last week. it also importantly decided that it was going to announce a $700 billion asset purchase. it's going to buy treasuries and mortgage backed securities, and that is going to inject cash into the system because while you and i and the people at home are watching the equity markets,

what the federal reserve is trying to do is address a real problem that was starting to emerge in the credit markets where companies go for short term loans and borrowing. that was seeing real signs of stress last week, so the federal reserve is really trying to address that specific situation. the reason why futures are down tonight is because investors still cannot see around the corner and the worst possible thing on wall street is uncertainty. so until, and i was talking to a couple investors tonight, until they can get some visibility on containment, we're going to continue to see some panic in the market. so what they want is essentially congress to step in and provide fiscal stimulus, which will put hard cash in consumers' hands because you know they are the backbone of this economy, chris? >> yeah, you know, it will be interesting. first of all, great analysis. second of all, people are going to say 700 billion and they still tank it. you give them the interest rate

cut that you could that's available from zero to a quarter point, they still tank it. why did we start with them? why didn't you start with helping out families, households and small businesses and not make the mistake we made in 2008 all over? maybe you're catering too much to the top again and not to the people who do the buying in the first place. >> i think you're channelling every viewer at home right now with that question, and what's important to keep in mind is that you have to keep the plumbing going so that buyers and sellers can have an orderly marketplace because what that will do hypothetically, what the fed is trying to do is calm the nerves out there right now and not get people thinking should i sell, you know, stocks in my 401 k or what do i do about that? but to your point, what investors want to see is congress stepping in to help those people. they want to see tax rebates. they want to see hands in -- they want to see cash in the

hands of consumers. and you better bet that donald trump is going to press for this like crazy because consumers are driving his economy. they are keeping him in office by spending, spending, spending, if they're cancelling vacations and not going out for dinner, all of that, you have large companies today announcing closures of stores, nike, apple saying it's going to close some stores outside of china. all of that will trickle down to the bottom line and force these companies potentially to do layoffs. we're already seeing it in the airlines. so, all of that's going to have an impact on consumer psychology here, chris, and trump is going to fight like crazy to make sure that the consumer feels safe and wants to spend. >> i got you. when you play to the safety of the voter, nine times out of ten you go to their pocketbook. you know what that one time out of ten is? when it's their health. right now coronavirus is playing to something bigger than the bottom line so it's a tricky play. thank you for the analysis. appreciate it.

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all right. so before tonight's debate, you had joe biden as the clear front runner in a race where eventual republican opponent president trump is looking vulnerable in november. what about after the debate? did biden do what he needed to do to maintain his edge? let's get perspective from his team, simone sander, senior adviser, four years ago worked for the sanders' presidential campaign. so sanders, how do you feel your man biden did tonight? >> well, good to see you, chris. wish you were here. we think vice president biden did great. look, at a time where the nation and the world truly is facing a crisis, viewers were tuning in to this debate to see leadership, to see someone who could handle this pandemic that faces us, to see someone who

could provide clear, competent leadership and a plan to carry us forward. and i think they saw that in vice president biden. the first moments of the debate were extremely impactful. i think we got to hear past coronavirus and covid-19 and got to hear about issues such as climate change. we heard about social security. we got into a deep section on foreign policy. vice president biden demonstrated tonight he will be ready to lead on day one. what voters are looking for, democratic voters, we think, is someone that can deliver results. they're actually not looking for a revolution and i think vice president gave them a clear road map why he's the person that can deliver results for this country. >> simone, what do you think of the criticism biden went too often where bernie sanders wanted him to go and didn't stick on coronavirus leader and started talking about trump and having debates about the past and policy positions that have no bearing on where this country is right now in this moment,

which is the existential threat that is the coronavirus? >> well, actually, chris, i think vice president biden did a good job of bringing the conversation back to what we are facing right now. you heard him say a number of times during this debate, we don't have to wait. we can do this now. senator sanders tried to take the debate on a number of different turns, if you will, when it comes to health care, when it comes to -- particularly when we were talking about covid-19 tonight and vice president biden redirected the conversation and said look, i agree there are other things we can get done in the system but first we have to address what people are dealing with now, the economic strife they are feeling now with the closings that are happeni happening. we have to provide to people now and we can do it. were looking forward to hearing tonight. >> one policy point. bernie had a theme tonight, which is biden and i are different and he's changing to be more like me. one of the points where he seemed to feel particular confidence was about joe biden then senator 1995 talking about

social security on the floor of the senate and saying that entitlement were on the table in terms of cuts to get down, need a deficit reduction. the senators answer, the vice president answer said they're on the table but i never voted for any cuts. is that good enough to get away from the criticism that you changed on it? >> to be clear, chris, it's true. and vice president biden, when he was a senator, he was a vice president to barack obama for eight years never advocated, never cast a vote, never went to whip anyone in supporting cutting social security. he and president obama worked to expand and the plan right now, if you go to our website www.joebiden.com, you can read his plan on social security. it does expand it. so, you know, senator sanders lobbed a number of attacks tonight that were like a broken record. you know, his greatest hits

against joe biden. and the reality is none of these hits have stuck, if you will, because voters know joe biden, they know his record, and they're just not buying it. again, we're always happy to have a debate about the issues but on this one, i think senator sanders missed the mark. >> how about this? from politics to process? cdc says no groupings bigger than 50. that's like every polling station except in very small counties. the idea of delaying primaries, senator sanders seemed comfortable with that. we should listen to what the cdc says. delay the primaries, if we have to. what are your concerns? >> well, look, is chris, i want to be very clear. democracy is extremely important. in times of war and in times of strife, our country has always upheld the need to uphold our democracy. we have voted in wartimes. we have -- votes were held many times in this country after again times of strife. the reality is the cdc has in fact, yes, issued guidance that has told people to keep their

social distancing, not to gather in large crowds. and governors across the country, particularly in states that vote on tuesday, ohio, arizona, florida, illinois, they have said they feel comfortable and confident that the elections will be safe and they can carry them out. so i am looking to these governors, frankly, to abide by the cdc guidance and if they say they can administer this process, we believe them, frankly. a number of early votes have been cast. >> right. >> i was looking at stuff today that said florida's early vote numbers are tracking ahead of what they were in 2016. so, i just encourage folks to use your voice. your vote is your voice, and our democracy is extremely important. even in times of strife in this country, we have to do our duties. so the cdc and folks have said it's safe out there for tuesday, so i don't know what senator sanders was talking about.

but governor in ohio said it's safe so i encourage people to get out and vote on tuesday. >> symone sanders, we appreciate your take. >> thank you. >> i know as your home, you're saying which message do i listen to? i know. it's a big problem. we have it on the federal level and different levels. what advice do i follow and why and for how long? we'll get it together. we'll get through the information together. we'll take a break now. when we come back, final thoughts on what this debate -- such a singular and remarkable moment will mean for all of us including the election going forward. ♪ (sensei) beautiful. but support the leg! when i started cobra kai, the lack of control over my business made me a little intense. but now i practice a different philosophy. quickbooks helps me get paid,

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more breaking news. in a night that has seen plenty already, moments ago the peace corps said it's suspending all global evacuations and evacuating all volunteers around the world. another way the coronavirus pandemic hung over the night and for certainly many days to come. bernie sanders conceded upcoming primaries may have to be reconsidered and talked about his movement. >> i think it's imperative that we defeat trump.

i think our campaign of a bi racial, grass roots states is the way to do it. now we have won some states. joe has won more states than i have, but here is what we're winning. we're winning the ideological states. even states like mississippi where joe won a big victory, turns out a pretty good majority of the folks there believe in medicare for all and that's true in almost every state many this country and the other issue we don't talk enough about is we are winning the generational struggle depending on the state, we're winning people 50 years of age or younger, big time people 30 years of age and younger. i frankly have my doubts. look, if i lose this thing, joe wins, joe, i will be there for you, but i have my doubts about how you win a general election against trump will be a very, very tough opponent unless you have energy, excitement, the largest voter turnout in history. and to do that, you are going to

have to bring young people -- >> what is interesting about that is he's making the argument -- the energy and excitement has been, for biden, people coming out to the polls for biden. you can argue they're not young. certainly that is true. maybe they're not energetic. but they're coming out to vote. >> we saw surge in voting in places like virginia and states like michigan. the thing is it's not that young vogters aren't turning out. it's that proportional to the rest of the vote they're turning out in smaller proportions than those that are 40 and older. but the voters -- biden still though really wants to focus on what sanders is saying which is that in states like texas, sanders won 58% of young vogters that are 29 and younger in states like california he won 57% of those 44 and younger. so, it's not like it's 29 and younger. it's also 44 and younger. and that's a drem graphic that

biden needs to work on addressing. and they are energetic about sanders and his stances on health care. >> if you look at rallies there's a huge difference. >> this is a deficiency for joe biden. there's no doubt about that. this is part of the work he's going to have to do as the democratic nominee. if he wins the nomination as he's on path to do. and he understands that. you know, this, and by the way, the latino vote -- i don't get a sense from the biden campaign that they can sit back and just assume that donald trump is going to be motivation enough. my sense is they understand this is a deficiency. it's why i think there is so much work that's going to be done to bring sanders on board in a significant way because it is such a critical part -- when you think about the obama coalition that david is so familiar with, young people were a critical part of that obama coalition. that's the last coalition that delivered a democrat to the

white house. >> but those young people felt like they were part of a movement, part of a mission, part of a cause. so, you know, clearly biden recognizes the problem. the fact that the two things he moved on in the last couple of days were, you know, college affordability and the bankruptcy law particularly as it related to student debt tells you that he's thinking about this. but again, he needs to -- it's more important, i think, that he embody the spirit of the concerns of these young people than any particular position. >> but he can't be more bernie than bernie. he is who he is. >> he can't. >> he can try and adapt bernie's polisis. but as he said the other night, he said i'm the bridge to the next generation. will that be enough? is a bridge what younger voters are looking for? i think in bernie they didn't want the bridge. they want the revolution now, and they don't want to wait. but the question is will they

come out and vote for biden if bernie is not on the ballot? i don't think we know the answer to that at this point. >> a lot of waits. chris, back to you. >> thank you very much. starting with you governor on what mattered tonight and where it takes us. >> i think the final thought is i thought for the general election this was very important. you've got trump's lies and craziness versus what you saw with biden and sanders tonight with a serious discussion on the coronavirus. and, you know, we tend to, in these types of things, to focus on the disagreemts. but those two agree a lot more on the issues. so, i'm optimistic that we're going to bring this party unified together. trump is just -- he's off and he's not telling the truth. people are scared to death. and they saw tonight a commander in chief, and i think that was a good night for us. >> kristen, your take. >> i think it was clarifying and interesting because that was really the first time we had two

people representing two different ways of thinking in the democratic party and representing views very coherently and going at each other over those views. i think there was a little too much relitigating of the past, but nonetheless i thought it was overall a very substantive debate and i thought they e quitted themselves were very well. we have to move forward. most people are looking at the electability issue. they are concerned about the virus and whether or not, you know, they don't feel comfortable with trump i think for the most part so can one of these men be the people. >> take it anywhere you want, van, but you have found what you were looking for in your party. how do i bring these people together? the answer is the coronavirus and the response of the leadership of making this country feel safe again. >> yeah, well, i'll tell you to me the most profound moment to me is they didn't shake hands. not because they're not hands. not because they couldn't be

united. they couldn't shake hands because we're in a moment we've never been in before where we're facing a pandemic. leaders literally cannot touch each other. that's a different election. i don't think people get what a different country we are waking up in this week. and i think that the opportunity for a bernie or a biden to really capture that and say i really get that was missed all too much tonight. it was a little bit there in the beginning, a little bit there at the end. but there are people afraid tonight. there are people in prisons right now waiting for the pandemic to hit. their voices have not been heard yet. there are people in homeless shelters sitting next to empty hotel rooms, empty campuses, empty dorms. there voices aren't being heard tonight. there's a need for real rethinking of what has to happen in this country and the door is open for big thinking and big hearts. >> they had an opportunity to deal with it tonight, and here's the reality. there are going to be plenty

more opportunities because we ain't seen nothing yet. >> yeah, we are on the cusp of great change. chris, thanks very much. thanks everyone for watching. more news next. clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference.

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the u.s. and the world entering a great unknown. no more big gatherings. millions home from work and schools, bars, restaurants closed. another emergency interest rate cut. so why does the president say this is all under control? we have reports from rome, paris, madrid, shanghai, jerusalem, germany. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm christine romans. >> i'm laura jarrett. it's monday, march 16th. 4 a.m. here in new york. we begin with a new reality setting in. americans are thinking twice about being in crowded