♪ hello, and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world. you're watching "cnn newsroom." and i'm rosemary church. just ahead, millions of people in the u.s. have been told to stay home, but some are not taking it seriously, and hospitals are already overwhelmed with one doctor telling us he and his colleagues are scared. the white house wants to send you money soon, as it tries to save an economy struggling under the weight of the pandemic. and as the crisis reshapes u.s. politics, joe biden pulls a hat trick in three states that

held primaries. ♪ good to have you with us. so, day-to-day society is drastically changing in the united states as the novel coronavirus is now confirmed in all 50 states, and more than 100 people have died nationwide. local governments are now taking their own precautions. at least 37 states have closed public schools. meanwhile, the u.s. and canada are preparing to suspend nonessential travel between the two countries in the next 24 to 48 hours. a trump administration official tells cnn negotiators are working out the definition of nonessential, but trade and business will continue. worldwide, cases continue to

soar, reaching more than 185,000 infections, with europe as the epicenter of the crisis. the eu has announced it will close its external borders to all nonessential travel for 30 days. now, despite the recommendation to practice social distancing and other tactics from government and medical officials, some people just aren't listening. video shot yesterday in san francisco shows people having a stroll and exercising around the bay, despite an order to shelter in place. cnn's dr. sanjay gupta says the responsibility to keep the public safe sits on everyone's shoulders. >> the good news part of this is that it is within our control, i think, to totally change the fate here, or at least alter the fate of what's happening here. maybe not totally change it, but have an impact on where this thing goes. it's within all of us. how i behave, jake, affects your

health. how you behave affects my health. never, i think, have we been so dependent on each other, at least not in my lifetime and we should rise to that occasion, i think. >> and dr. gupta goes on to say the u.s. is woefully unprepared for what the virus could do to the country. if people don't heed experts' opinions, there may not be enough resources to deal with the problem. new york governor andrew cuomo talked about the shortage of medical supplies. >> we're shopping for ventilators all around the globe. we're shopping for n-51 masks around the globe. we're shopping for ppe. the price gouging is unbelievable, but you can't even find it. and that's where the federal government, that has a stock of reserve -- and i'm going to meet with them tomorrow to find out exactly how much they have -- otherwise, it is a major problem because so many countries have gone through this and exhausted

the global supply. >> joining me now is dr. raj kelsi, an emergency physician in naperville, illinois. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks for having me, rosemary. >> now, of course, in the midst of this worsening coronavirus epidemic and pandemic, there's increasing concern that u.s. hospitals are not equipped to deal with any surge in patients, that there will be too few ventilators, masks, even medical staff. now, you're there at ground level. how concerned should americans be about that, and how concerned are you about it? >> i'll tell you, the pulse on the floor of the er -- and i'm speaking for er doctors, nurses, patient care techs, registrars, people who are collecting your insurance information -- we are all on the front line -- we are scared. it is a measured fear because we are used to critical illness. we are used to the worst things. this is entirely new for

everybody, but we are scared. here's what we're scared of. we're scared of running out of n-95 masks. we're afraid of the vacillating opinions on whether or not covid is airborne versus droplet, and that makes a big difference. we're scared of going into a room where a patient doesn't declare that they have a cough -- perhaps they came in with abdominal pain, and they say, oh, by the way, doctor, i've had this cough since returning from my cruise, and that wasn't mentioned in the triage assessment. and we have kids! i have three kids. i have a wife who's a nurse. and we are fighting the fight. and what we worry about with future critical illness is exactly that. when we have filled our icus, rosemary, with ventilated patients, the next critical wave of patients stay in the er on ventilators until we can find a hospital where they can go to, but there may not be one.

and we're afraid of an italian experience, and it's quite concerning. >> totally understand. the thing that's mind-boggling is, this is the united states. this is the superpower. how is it possible that this country is in this situation? >> you know, and that's a great question. i don't have a great answer for that. i know that this thing with covid, the pandemic, hit really hard, really fast, at an inopportune time for america. flu is just peaking, and all of the other typical fair -- heart illness, pediatric illnesses, abdominal illness, cancer illness, traumatic illness, is still going on. nothing has changed with that. and organizations and infrastructure for the hospital system, medical system, is prepared for our typical annual volumes, but we were not prepared for this corona illness and how quickly it's sweeping.

i am not a politician. i'm a doctor. i'm a lowly doctor in the er, and i'm here to save lives, as are my peers, my nurses, and my brothers and sisters at all my institutions that i love and work with, and we are just trying to fight the fight medically. we don't really have a great opinion politically, but we want more support. >> well, as far as we're concerned, you are a hero, along with all your colleagues. and we just heard from cnn's dr. sanjay gupta about the important role that we all have to play in quarantining ourselves so we don't spread this virus. let's just listen to what infectious disease expert dr. tony fauci had to say about that same topic. >> don't get the attitude, well, i'm young, i'm invulnerable. you don't want to put your loved ones at risk, particularly the ones who are elderly and the ones who have compromised conditions. we can't do this without the young people cooperating. please cooperate with us.

>> so, dr. fauci specifically talking there about young americans, about millennials, specifically, across the country, still getting together at bars, restaurants, walking around as if this is just a normal day. do you think u.s. citizens overall are getting this message about just how serious this pandemic is and how easy it is to spread? >> i certainly can't speak for the entire nation. i'll tell you, i live in a community where some people are still going out, congregating at social arenas, bars, things like that. i always tell my patients when i see them, even now -- just yesterday night when i had a shift -- i say, look, i have to create a tag line for them. i say, remember, social distancing, we will go the distance. and they ask me what that means. i say, stay at home. if you have anybody that you love, stay at home. you've come in with a respiratory illness. you've come in with a low-grade fever. the covid testing will take days

to come back. social distance, we will go the distance. >> dr. raj kalsi, again, we want to salute you and all other medical workers, doctors, nurses, everyone out there on the front line, because the work that you're doing is saving everybody and all our loved ones. many thanks to you. >> thank you. and if you are a neighbor of an er doctor or nurse, please, just thank them and thank them for their hard work. and it is a courageous thing they're doing to go into work every day. thank you, rosemary. >> most certainly. dr. raj kalsi, thank you. >> thank you. >> we shall make sure we do that. and later this hour, dr. kalsi will answer questions from some of you about the virus, including hand-washing habits. and if people who have recovered from covid-19 may still be infectious. well, the european union has closed its external borders to all nonessential travel and more countries are imposing lockdowns. delia gallagher is in rome, and

we are in madrid, but we start with jim bittermann, who is there live in paris. jim, france has put in place new measures to combat this pandemic. what's the latest on that? >> well, what we're seeing this morning all over france is a lot of road blocks, check a points, as the police go over the paperwork that people are supposed to fill out. you're supposed to download a form from the internet, explain why you're moving about, and then show it to the police when they stop you. so far, at least, i guess they've handed out some fines this morning. the fines go up to about $150, 135 euros. and so, it's enough, hopefully, to dissuade people from going out. people are supposed to be on lockdown. other fronts here, there's a lot of interesting, different developments overnight. the foreign minister said that he is urging all of the french who are overseas to come home. he has a problem with the fact

that there aren't many flights flying into france right now. a lot of airlines have canceled their flights, and they have, for example, 7,000 french who are estimated, at least, who are in morocco, and they're trying to get home and they haven't been able to find flights to get home. in another interesting development overnight was a survey that was taken by our associated network, bfm here. and in that survey, they found that this confinement period is actually meeting with some approval of the french, this lockdown period. 93% of the french say that they approve of the government's efforts, and 81% say they are definitely worried about the virus. so, the french are pulling together. rosemary? >> good news. jim bittermann bringing us the latest from paris. many thanks to you. let's go to rome now. and delia, italy has the second highest number of infections in the world and as a result is under total lockdown.

what's the latest from there? >> reporter: well, rosemary, the long and short of it is that the numbers are still going up. we had 3,000 new cases reported yesterday, bringing italy to a total of 31,000 cases. that total cases also includes those who have recovered and those who have died from the virus. but clearly, the emphasis right now is to watch the numbers when they will peak and when they will, hopefully, start to decline. experts are saying that possibly they are going to still increase, and they are looking towards a time period of the next ten days. after about ten days, perhaps, they're hoping to see that some of these measures that italy has taken and was, you know, one of the first countries to take -- at least, we've been in lockdown for ten days now countrywide -- but in the regions of the north, they've been in lockdown for three or four weeks now, so we should start to see some sort of positive trend that suggests that these lockdown measures are working. of course, in the north, they

are still confronting the emergency. they have more than half of the total cases there in the regions of the north. they are trying to build out new hospitals for beds and icu units. as your doctor guest mentioned, that is really a concern, that the infrastructure, the hospital infrastructure and equipment is there for the doctors and nurses. pope francis is going to give his weekly audience in the next hour. he is, of course, doing that live stream. normally, rosemary, there are thousands of tourists in the square on a wednesday morning. of course, that hasn't been happening now for some time. the pope is live streaming everything. and just this morning, pope francis gave an interview to "la repubblica," one of their largest newspapers, and sort of threw his weight behind a theory that's been going around in the italian press that tax evaders are also to blame for fact that italy's health infrastructure is

now suffering. the pope also agreeing with some italian commentators that if there are not enough hospital beds and equipment, part of the blame has to do with people that aren't paying their taxes. rosemary? >> all right. many thanks to delia gallagher, joining us live from rome. now to al in madrid. and cases, al, have surged across spain. what's the latest on those numbers? >> reporter: hi, rosemary. we are expecting the latest figures in a couple of hours' time. the government had been giving out the figures twice a day, midday and evening. now they've gone to just once a day. that's coming up around noon spanish time. the current figure's more than 11,000 cases. that's a huge increase from just a week ago, and nearly 500 deaths. now, a couple of images from spain. i'm right in the city center. there's almost no one here. what we saw earlier this day, military troops, army troops patrolling. now the police are back out patrolling. they want to make sure nobody comes here. a five-minute walk from here is

the spanish parliament. it's the weekly question-and-answer period for the prime minister. i just saw him walk in on the television with the health minister and interior minister in charge of all the police and security forces. there are about 20 people in the parliament because everybody is staying away from the parliament and watching it. i'm talking about the mps, the deputies. and by design, it's just the prime minister, a few cabinet members, and a few members of the opposition who will ask him questions. they have to do it in person because that's the law. another image. the military unit of spain that typically deals with emergencies like earthquakes is preparing to set up field hospitals, tents next to existing building hospitals, structures, so that they can take care of extra capacity. so, as the numbers rise, they are doing -- they are putting as many things in place to try to be ready for that. back to you, rosemary. >> all right, al goodman, many thanks to you, bringing us up to date on the situation there across spain. appreciate it.

and we have this update just in to cnn. a spokesman for german politician frederick merz says he's tested positive for the coronavirus. he is a member of the conservative christian democratic union and candidate to replace angela merkel as chancellor. we'll take a short break here. still to come, business in the u.s. has been devastated by the outbreak. stores are closing and restaurants are empty. ahead, what the white house is proposing to boost the economy. we're back in just a moment. want to brain better? unlike ordinary memory supplements- neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference.

♪ well, the spread of the coronavirus has been hammering business in the united states. according to a congressional source, the treasury secretary warned that a lack of government action could drive up the unemployment rate to 20%. to avoid that, the white house is proposing a massive stimulus package, which would include direct payments to americans. >> i know there's been some rumors of the number. it is a big number. this is a very unique situation in this economy. we've put a proposal on the

table that would inject $1 trillion into the economy. that is on top of the $300 billion from the irs deferrals. >> the proposal sent u.s. stocks soaring on tuesday. the dow was up 5%, while the nasdaq and s&p rose 6%. in addition to the stimulus proposal, the white house is also asking congress for an emergency fund of more than $45 billion. well, president trump is drastically shifting his tone on the coronavirus. he is now acknowledging the gravity of this pandemic, while insisting he's always taken it seriously. but as we've seen, the president has been downplaying the crisis for months. cnn's boris sanchez has our report. >> reporter: president trump today denying an obvious shift in tone from previous statements, saying he has always seen the coronavirus outbreak as a grave problem. >> is there a shift in tone? >> i didn't think -- i mean, i have seen that, where people

actually liked it, but i didn't feel different. i've always known this is a real -- this is a pandemic. i've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. all you had to do was look at other countries. i think now it's in almost 120 countries all over the world. no, i've always viewed it as very serious. there was no difference yesterday from days before. i feel the tone is similar. >> reporter: though trump only admitting the situation was out of control yesterday. for weeks, he downplayed the threat. >> the words about a pandemic at this point -- >> no, we're not at all, and we have it totally under control. it's one person coming in from china, and we have it under control. it's going to be just fine. >> reporter: sources telling cnn the change in tone spurred by new projections, indicating that without drastic action, the united states could face a catastrophic loss of life from coronavirus, a death toll topping 1 million. >> we have been working on

models day and night around the globe to -- >> reporter: behind the scenes, dr. deborah birx and dr. anthony fauci, prodding trump for more aggressive action in recent days, as other officials warn imposing major restrictions on americans could further hinder the economy. sources say trump was initially worried about volatility in markets, but the rising number of coronavirus cases ultimately pushed him into a stronger response. trump today admitting a recession is possible, but adding, he is not worried. >> i don't think in terms of recession. i think in terms of getting it out, because when we're finished with the virus, we will win. we will win. and when that victory takes place, our economy's going to go through the roof. it is so pent up, it is so built up, it is so ready to go in an upward direction, but we have to knock out this enemy. >> reporter: president trump also mentioned that he was looking to economically boost the airline and hotel

industries. the president yet again defending his administration's response to this crisis, saying that they have done a fantastic job, though he did acknowledge that there's one area where he wishes that he had done better -- relationships with the press. boris sanchez, cnn at the white house. well, new york state is reporting at least 1,600 cases of the coronavirus and 15 deaths. new york city mayor bill de blasio warned residents to prepare to stay at home, saying a shelter in place could be ordered within the next two days. however, new york's governor quickly dismissed that possibility. cnn's mj lee has the details. >> this is an extraordinary time in this nation's history. >> reporter: governor andrew cuomo in full crisis mode, overseeing new york state's response to the rapidly spreading coronavirus outbreak. as the virus continues to spread

across the country, new york attracting national attention, with one of the highest numbers of confirmed cases in a single state. this week, new enforcement measures announced in other parts of new york -- schools closed in new york city, long island, and westchester county, and restaurants and bars in new york city also required to shut down, except for food delivery and takeout. cuomo also calling on the federal government to use the army corps of engineers to build temporary medical facilities and issuing an executive order to increase hospital capacity across new york. the governor pleading with every new yorker to stay calm and do their part. >> i remember the fear and the panic that existed in 9/11, where a single moment, your whole concept of life and society can be shaken, where you need to see government perform at its best. >> reporter: in the midst of the crisis, cuomo at times publicly clashing with one fellow new

yorker, president trump. >> that is the role of the federal government and national leadership, and it is lacking. >> reporter: trump tweeting about a conference call with the country's governors on monday and singling out one governor in particular. "cuomo of new york has to do more," trump wrote. cuomo firing back, writing, "i have to do more? no, you have to do something. you're supposed to be the president." but on tuesday, both men changing their tunes. >> i said to the president, who is a new yorker, who i've known for many, many years, "i put my hand out in partnership. i want to work together 100%." >> with respect to governor cuomo, we had a great talk this morning. we're both doing a really good job and we're coordinating it, and we agree, you know, different states need different things, and we agree on that 100%. >> reporter: mj lee, cnn, new york.

and questions you've been asking us. are hand sanitizers more effective than soap? can people who have recovered from the coronavirus still be infectious? we will get answers to some of those key questions when we hear from a medical expert on the other side of the break. do stay with us. want to brain better? unlike ordinary memory supplements- neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration. try neuriva for 30 days and see the difference.

welcome back, everyone. well, in the united states, the coronavirus has now spread to all 50 states and has killed more than 100 people. officials are scrambling to send help to those in need, from hospital staff to local businesses. the treasury secretary has

proposed a $1 trillion stimulus package, hoping to boost the u.s. economy. u.s. stocks have soared after he announced the stimulus proposal, but right now, futures are down sharply across the board. european markets have just opened up and are trading lower after tuesday's gains. for more on how the outbreak is affecting daily life in the united states, cnn's erica hill has this report. >> reporter: empty restaurants, lonely streets, millions ordered to stay in their homes without a clear end in sight. >> these measures will be disruptive to day-to-day life, but there is no need to panic. >> reporter: the san francisco bay area's shelter-in-place order has prompted questions about whether similar measures could spread. >> part of the fear, the anxiety, people spread rumors. well, maybe you're going to

quarantine new york city. and i have no interest whatsoever and no plan whatsoever to quarantine any city. >> reporter: and yet, concern is growing by the day about how long any measure will last and what will be left when it's over. >> small businesses are calling into my office, one after another. people are not going to the barber shops. they're not going to the restaurants. restaurants are being shut down, et cetera. we are seeing a massive collapse in the economy around this country. >> the unemployment requests, first-time requests for benefits that are coming in literally this week as we sit here are overwhelming. >> reporter: the white house today announced help is coming. >> we're looking at sending checks to americans immediately. americans need cash now and the president wants to get cash now, and i mean now in the next two weeks. >> reporter: how much, when, and who will be eligible remains unknown. the pledge comes as airlines are asking for an estimated $50

billion government bailout and dozens of retailers announced nationwide closings, including disney, macy's, nordstrom, and footlocker. supermarkets across the u.s. are adjusting their hours, opening early for seniors in an effort to minimize their exposure. state and local officials preparing for an anticipated surge at hospitals and medical centers, as elective surgeries are canceled, patients are dismissed quickly and they are prepped for capacity. >> we can't do our jobs without access to equipment and fresh supply lines, so we need to do everything we can to stave that off. >> reporter: the government has yet to provide a clear answer on how they'll meet the need for life-saving ventilators, advising states to get their own, while calling on other industries to help meet the need for industrial masks. >> we're asking them to donate their m-95 masks to their local hospitals and also forego making

additional orders. >> reporter: questions about supply as the demand for answers grows. testing is still a major concern across the country. here in new york city, mayor bill de blasio says that as of thursday, they're going to be opening up more testing. in fact, they're going to get to the point where they'll be able to do some 5,000 tests a day in very short order, and perhaps even more importantly, those results will be back in just one to two days. back to you. >> thanks for that. well, the pandemic, of course, can seem overwhelming at times and difficult to fully understand, and you, our viewers, have sent in some specific questions you have about the virus and quarantine measures. i spoke earlier to emergency medicine physician dr. raj kalsi, who answered a few of those questions. the advice is to wash hands with soap and water for 20 seconds. this is a long time. most people only wash for a few seconds. if you wash for, say, ten seconds with soap, is this less effective? does it increase the chances of

catching the virus? and are hand sanitizers any more effective? >> you know, here's the thing. if you have a choice between inadequate hand washing for 10 seconds versus the 20 or 30 seconds, then use hand sanitizer. we need to understand our own weaknesses. we need to understand our own vulnerabilities. if you had a choice and you're on the go and you have to go take care of your kids or you have to go do something, use hand sanitizer and wipe until it's dry. but if you're going to wash your hands, do it effectively. go between the fingers. rub both sides, and do everything you're supposed to do for at least 20 seconds. in fact, do it for 30 seconds, and this will make a difference. >> right, absolutely. and then this next question. is the only way that the united kingdom can stop or beat this to totally lock down like other countries so that the spread eventually stops? >> you know, based on what we're seeing as doctors -- and again, i'm not a politician,

rosemary -- but as a doctor, it seems that quarantining is key here. here's why. one, we will not have enough data until probably august, perhaps even 2021, to really effectively understand what's going on with this virus. and next year we'll be way more prepared. that's scientific data. that's just how it goes. we can't understand this well enough as it's going on. two, we know quarantining works, and it seems like some of the data from places that are more concentrated, cities in america, places in the world like italy that are more concentrated, seem to have higher fatality rates, higher rates of infection, and that's just my ad hoc review of the data. i can't tell you for sure. i'm not a epidemiologist, but that makes a difference to me in how i recommend things to my patients here in the community. >> and doctor, this next question -- can people who were infected and have recovered still be infectious? >> you know, with the evolving

viral syndrome that you get with flu, influenza "a" or "b," for instance -- as you're resolving the illness, your rate of viral replication does go down, but there is a period of time where you're still infectious. we just don't know right now how infectious you are, one, when you are asymptomatic and you're carrying covid. two, we don't know when you reach a state when you're very low infectious rate and you're safe to be around elderly and people that are more vulnerable, or anybody, for that matter. that's why we're putting in strict quarantines for a minimum of two weeks, because we are just estimating based on other data we have from other viruses that we know really well, like influenza. >> and thanks to dr. kalsi for answering those questions and for you sending them in. you can join anderson cooper and dr. sanjay gupta for a third cnn

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cnn is projecting joe biden will sweep tuesday's democratic presidential primaries in arizona, illinois, and florida. the wins will put him substantially ahead of political rival bernie sanders in the delegate count needed to secure the nomination. and that's expected to ramp up the pressure on sanders to end his campaign. in a speech from his home, biden

sounded like he had it all sewn up, acknowledging sanders' influence in reaching out to his supporters. >> senator sanders and i may disagree on tactics, but we share a common vision, for the need to provide affordable health care for all americans, reduce income inequity that has risen so drastically, to tackling the existential threat of our time, climate change. senator sanders and his supporters have brought a remarkable passion and tenacity to all of these issues, and together they have shifted the fundamental conversation in this country. >> so, let's talk now with cnn's senior political analyst, ron brownstein. always good to have you with us. >> hi, rosemary. >> former vice president joe biden won big tuesday night, sweeping arizona, florida, and illinois, adding to his almost insurmountable lead over rival bernie sanders. is it game over for sanders? >> absolutely. look, this was, as we say in the u.s., kind of like making the

rubble bounce. the race essentially ended on super tuesday, was reconfirmed last tuesday. and again, the point driven home again today. bernie sanders has reached 40% of the vote in only three states -- his home state of vermont, north dakota, which was a caucus, and idaho, a small state out in the western u.s. everywhere else he's been below 40% of the vote. self-identified democrats, joe biden is winning them 2-1. he is winning african-american voters in every state. he is winning not only the college-educated white voters, but those blue collar, noncollege white voters. and bernie sanders says his campaign is about mobilizing the working class. the democratic party, rosemary, has spoken at this point, and it's not really clear what else there is of a message for bernie sanders to deliver and to go on with. >> right. so, the next question has to be at what point does sanders need to drop out of the race, and will he ensure his supporters, particularly the young ones, get

behind biden before he's viewed as a spoiler, as he was back in 2016 when he was up against hillary clinton? >> right. i think for most democrats, he will be viewed as a spoiler if he is not out of the race tomorrow. i mean, there really is, as i say, this is not 2016 where he was competitive in a number of states. he has reached 40% of the vote in only two states outside of his home state of vermont. and i think that message is kind of unequivocal. now, it is true, as you noted -- i mean, his strength among young people really is striking. and even tonight with the race functionally over, he still generated enormous advantages among voters not only under 35, but even under 45. so, there is work there for joe biden to do. but in terms of prolonging this, particularly with the coronavirus making the act of voting itself so fraught and uncertain, it's just really unclear what there is to be gained by making this go on any further. >> how does he convince --

bernie sanders -- how does he convince those supporters, though, to get behind biden? because we saw what happened in 2016. some of those young people either didn't turn out to vote or they voted for donald trump. >> yeah, or voted for third parties, actually, i think more than even voted for trump. look, some of the sanders coalition aren't really democrats. they're attracted to the candidate who seems least like a conventional politician, and there will be a piece of his coalition that is going to vote for whatever third-party alternative emerges in the general election. but the answer to your question is really two words -- donald trump -- or maybe four words -- donald trump in office. donald trump in office has been a, you know, much more contrary to what democrats believe in and they even expected when he was running in 2016. and i think the polling evidence is that the vast majority of sanders' supporters are going to vote for biden. the issue really is more turnout. can biden inspire turnout among younger voters, particularly

younger voters of color? and i think that imperative is going to have a big influence on his choice of a vice presidential running mate. >> right. so, how tough will biden's fight be up against donald trump, and how big a role might the coronavirus crisis play in the outcome, do you think? >> well, so far, you know, i have been struck looking at public opinion. maybe we shouldn't be surprised any more after impeachment and everything else failed to move things. but by and large, the reaction to trump's handling of the coronavirus almost exactly is following the tracks of the overall approval and disapproval of him. i looked today at one of the polls that came out, national polls that came out today. 90% of the people who approved of trump to begin with said they approved of his handling of the coronavirus, and 90% who disapproved of him to begin with said they disapproved of his handling of the coronavirus. so, like everything else that has happened in these tumultuous two years, it tends to reinforce the existing divide. the existing divide, however, leaves him somewhere between 43%

and 46% of the electorate, particularly against joe biden, i think trump is very unlikely to win the popular vote. the challenge for the democrats is getting to that 270th electoral college vote that you need to win. if you win all of the states that hillary clinton won, you add michigan and pennsylvania, all of which is very doable for joe biden, you still have to win one more state, and that last state, whether it's wisconsin or arizona or florida -- although there is some favorable polling for biden -- all of those are a lot tougher than the first 22, and that's what we'll be watching all fall, especially in the shadow of this extraordinary outbreak and pandemic. >> yeah. it has been extraordinary. it continues to be that. and ron brownstein, always great to get your analysis and perspective on all these matters. thank you. >> thanks for having me. and we'll take a short break. still to come, millions of people are living in lockdown in europe's hardest hit country with no end in sight. one woman shares with us how

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and its health care system is struggling to deal with the consequences of this new virus. as a result, the country has been put in a total lockdown for more than a week. and cynthia farhas is one of those 60 million residents under quarantine. she joins me from the northern city of milan. thank you so much for talking with us. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> now, you've been on lockdown for more than ten days, and you expect to be there for another 20 or so days. just how hard has it been so far? >> yeah, good morning. so, i've been here for exactly 13 days. i've been counting the days. and for now, the expected date is set for the third of april, but we don't know yet if they're going to extend it or not. and it's been quite hard and challenging, i have to say, especially that the weather's getting nicer, the days are getting longer, sunnier. but obviously, we have to do it

for, out of responsibility and out of security reasons. we're kind of forced to do it. we don't have the choice. >> yes, absolutely. and talk to us about what the process is that you have to follow to get out and buy food. >> yes. to buy food, to go to the pharmacies or any necessities or even leaving the house, you need to print out a certain permit, putting in the information just to say where you are going and the reason behind your, i would say you are going out, if there is something, an emergency or something urgent. as long as you stick to these rules and you have this paper, then you can do it. otherwise, you get a fine. so, you really have to be very careful. >> and when you go out to shop, how much time are you given to grab what you need? and are the shelves always fully stocked? is there any problem with that?

>> so far, i haven't been out. i've been quite lucky when it comes to foods provision and i've been ordering online. but for timing, i've had the waiting time of almost one week to get my upcoming, i would say order. but i've seen it on tv and i know some friends who had to go out to grab something. it depends, i think, on the timing. so, either we have to go very early or very late, because you can spend as much time as you want. you don't have a specific time. as long as the place is not overly crowded. because they would only want a certain amount of people inside the store at one time. >> i see. >> yeah, the majority of the shops, they're still providing us with food, with everything. so at least we're not panicking on that. >> so, what are people in milan saying about the impact of this pandemic, and of course, the lockdown, on their lives?

what are your friends telling you? >> i mean, it's been quite unexpected behavior and unexpected situation because we were not expecting it to evolve like that. when we started hearing about the epidemic and the pandemic then, we were just being overly precautious. the message was social distancing, so we canceled all of the events, we postponed all of the events. and then as things were getting more severe, as we actually got into the whole new attitude and this new behavior of being locked in, from a personal perspective, people have been of great support to each other, especially -- i'm not italian, actually, so it feels home-sick not being with your family or your family's stuck in another country going through the same process. but i have to say, they have been amazingly supportive.

people call each other, video call each other. they check on each other. they see if someone needs something. and they're trying to do it together. there's a lot of support in the air because from a socioeconomic perspective, the city was greatly affected. and just like any other city. but maybe because we started to feel it way before anyone else, since people started to avoid coming to milan, to italy, so we really feel it very deeply. >> yeah. you're very right. thank you for explaining that to so many people around the world. of course, the big fear for some is the isolation that can be felt during a time like that. but thank you so much for joining us, cynthia, and sharing your situation with the rest of the world, because this is a shared experience for everyone. many thanks. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> and thank you for your company. remember to wash your hands, keep your social distance, and stay safe. i'm rosemary church. "new day" is next. rdinary memory supplements-

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