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tomorrow 8 p.m. our town hall. now over to chris cuomo. >> appreciate it. all good. i'm chris cuomo. we need to fight through as much of the uncertainty as we can. i know you're asking how did this go from 15 days to hearing about plans for more than 18 months? and yes, we are now hearing that the young aren't in the clear. we are seeing cases pop up abroad and here too and some of them are bad cases. what changed? here's the good news. we have the nation's top coronavirus medic, dr. fauci is here tonight. okay? he's a trusted source for information. he's always been straight with me. i've known him a long time. we also have obama homeland security chief jeh johnson here.
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another trusted source. what does he say about what we can do to build capacity? how big a problem are we facing? he knows. and dallas mavericks owner and business titan mark cuban weighing in to help us understand what's going on in the markets and what he wants you to know about what the right and wrong fixes are going forward. listen, for all the uncertainty, we know we have tough days ahead. let's get the information. let's get together and let's get after it. i know the uncertainty is driving you nuts. how many of us are going to get it? how long is it going to last? how many may we lose from this? we don't know. but we do know that there are things that we can do. you and i, you and me, the government. that will help us win this war, and that's what it is. fair question. are they happening fast enough? testing kits. masks.
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ventilators, beds, medical staff scrambling for them. the president today signed the relief bill. and invoked the defense production act. that's from the 50s, wartime. it allows for government to ramp up production and address shortages. but then he said in a tweet not long after he may not be exercising those powers just yet. only in a worst case scenario. well, what's worse than knowing what we do right now? is that we don't have what we need to fight this. cnn obtained a contingency plan from the trump administration. with the possibility that this pandemic could flare for 18 months or longer and include multiple waves of illness. 15 days, 18 months. which is it? again, we are lucky to have dr. anthony fauci back with us, director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. i don't know where you're
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getting the energy from, but thank you for being with us tonight. it's an important night. >> good to be with you, chris. >> doctor, the idea of we understand that you can't know definitively how long anything takes here. but it's jarring to hear the president or anybody say it's not about politics. this is going to be a couple weeks and then we'll see. maybe july. and then hear about a plan for 18 months. what can you tell the american people? >> well, all of that is not incompatible with each of the things that was said. as i told you before, chris, when you have an outbreak like this, if you look historically and what has happened more recently in china, and in south korea, and now it's going on in a very dramatic way in europe, you have the outbreak goes like this and then it spares up like
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this, and then after a while it goes down. if it's left to its own devices, you'll get the maximum peak, a lot of suffering, a lot of illness, a lot of death. what our responsibility is and what we are doing very, very vigorously right now is to put into play the kinds of things that would blunt that curve. i've said that many, many times. but when you blunt the curve by modifying society, particularly with the rather dramatic physical separations which people call social distancing, you can blunt it, but it is unlikely that you are going to make it completely disappear. if we're lucky, it will happen. but what more likely would happen is that we do this, go down, and if it's still around, we'd have to deal with it next season. that's the challenging issue. the good news about that, that will give us time to test and prove whether drugs are safe and effective, and as i've told you many times, the vaccine whose
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trial we started just a couple days ago in a year to a year and a half we should know whether we're ready to go. it is not untrue that in 18 months or next season we may see another flair, but we'd be much better prepared than we are right now. >> right, and there are a lot of variables at play. i get it. i wanted to hear it from you. hearing it from politicians is one thing. hearing it from you is something else. i'll hear you and let the audience decide. quickly, is it true that you guys are starting to get a better feel for some drugs you may may be able to help treat some of the worse cases? >> yes. the answer to that is yes. when you say a better feel. but no definitive proof yet, chris. and that's important. there are anecdotal reports that there are a number of drugs that are already out there that will need repurposing. drugs used for other diseases that are reported -- the fda is
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totally on board with this now. i was on the phone like a half an hour ago. >> if you have a good basis to try it, you'll be able to try it? i had been hearing there's snags and they were afraid of what drugs you'd expose people to, but if they're in a life or death situation, you might at well throw everything at it. >> yeah, but chris, if you do it in a protocol -- there's a balance between just throwing the drug out there which is not a good idea. but you don't want to make it unavailable to people. what you do is you do a bit of a compromise. you do it under the auspices of a protocol. so you can make it very heavily available that at the same time you're learning something. you're learning how safe it is. and does it really work. we need to do both. we need to make it available at the same time as we learn whether or not it really works and whether it's safe. >> now, young people. they've been nonchalant about some of this, some of them. let's not generalize. but young people have been given the impression that if i get
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this, i'm going to be okay. so some of the isolation seems overblown for them. let's leave it for the old folks. now we're hearing about cases of young people getting hit hard abroad and here at home, being in extreme distress with cases. what changed? >> well, nothing has changed except we learned more and more. again, remember, chris, a couple times ago when i was on your show, i told you this is a work in motion. it's evolving. every day we learn more and more. and when you see reports from other countries and now even in our own country you realize there are things you didn't fully appreciate, but getting back to young people, there are two reasons why young people need to take this very seriously. one, you yourself can be in harm's way. i mean, obviously most of the difficulties are in people who are older and/or who have underlying conditions. and many of the young people who have actually gotten into
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trouble did have underlying conditions. but you're not out of danger. but even as important is that you have a responsibility, a society responsibility, to protect the vulnerable. and you do that, interestingly, by not letting yourself get infected, because you need to make sure that you don't inadvertently pass on the infection to someone who would not fair as well as you fair because you're young and healthy. so this there's two pillars to that. yourself and your responsibility to society. >> a couple more quick things and i'll let you go. first, this new understanding of how long it lives on surfaces. do you have a new understanding and does it inform on what we need to do? >> yes. i mean, a study from my own group at my institute was done to show that if you do different surfaces, and you look at the level of virus that's viable,
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that's culturable and dangerous, over a period of time, depending on the surface, it can be anywhere from a few hours to in some places even a day or so. now, that day or so may actually be so low it's not going to hurt you, but you don't want to take any chances which is the reason why you want to make sure that you do clean off surfaces that are commonly used. but more important than all of that, i've said it many times, chris, make sure you wash your hands as often as you possibly can. >> absolutely. we got it. happy birthday two times in a row. soap and water. dry them off. i got it. something i keep hearing from people that i want you to address dr. fauci, swine flu, 61 million americans were affected. 12,000 people died. we didn't do this crazy stuff with the economy. why? why are we doing it all now when we didn't do it then? what's your answer?
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>> chris, this is different. this is totally different. the swine flu of 2009, the h-1-n-1 was truly a pandemic. it spread widely. however the lethality, the capability of causing really bad harm with morbidity and mortality was much less than what we have seen in china, of what we've seen in south korea, what's going on in europe, and what we're starting to see now in our own country. so there are worlds of difference between those two. >> dr. tony fauci, i know how busy you are. i know you're in the bubble, but i can't tell you how many americans are looking up to the information you're giving them. the consistency you provide, and it means everything to us on this show. thank you, sir. >> good to be with you, chris, as always. >> stay strong. god bless. the different fronts in this fight. i wanted him to hear what's coming out and you got to hear from him what his take is on them.
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another fact that we know, two medical navy ships are going to be deployed to our shores to help ease the load at hospitals. they will not be treating coronavirus patients. then how do they help? there are a lot of other patients. you have to remove that part of the demand to deal with coronavirus. one is coming to new york. we're waiting to hear where the other one is going to dock. it will take weeks for either to arrive. minutes ago we got word that the president signed the coronavirus relief bill. that's good news. it will mean more to the markets than the rest of us. we're going to need more. let's talk about that, what we need, what's going to happen with former homeland security secretary jeh johnson. we were talking about this. we're living this. we're living this with our parents and how to deal with it. it's hitting all of us emotionally and seriously. we keep hearing capacity, nobody has the capacity. my brother andrew keeps saying i can't do it.
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i'm trying to repurpose old hospitals and people are offering me things but i cannot fill out what i need. and the federal government keeps saying they don't have what they need. yet, i don't feel like everything is being thrown at it. what am i missing? >> well, first, i got to say anthony fauci is -- >> you heard the interview. >> he's a rock star. i worked with him during the ebola crisis. six years ago. at the same time he's briefing the president in the situation room is personally treating ebola patients. i listen to everything he says. >> he's always been straight. you've always been able to trust him? >> absolutely. second. if i were still in washington, i'd think about this. first, this exponential growth we're seeing in the cases here in new york, it's approaching 20% of the entire nation right here in new york. i wonder whether it's simply because we're testing more people, or the virus is spreading to more people, or
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some combination of both. that's critical to know. you need to know where the virus is spreading to to know how to track it. now, in terms of the government response. in a situation like this with a lethal virus spreading across our country, first and foremost, it is up to state and local governments to regulate, encourage, discourage human behavior, human isolation. the federal government should be principally responsible for providing the resources, getting the resources out to the field, out to the hospitals, out to the states, out to the cities. and we seem to be settling into that track right now. there is no one size fits all for the nation in terms of human behavior. so the government at the washington level has to be out there providing funds for masks, for ventilators, for test kits. we desperately need test kits
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right now and hospital beds. and resources like the ships apparently on their way to new york, and a lesson i learned from ebola in 2014. first reactions are not always the best reactions. those of us in washington when you're dealing with a crisis in high anxiety like we're in right now, sometimes tend to lurch toward political solutions that sound good. that sound big and important like i'm invoking my authorities under the national procurement act or the national defense production act, wartime authority. my first question when i hear something like that is okay, what are you going to do with that? now that you've invoked this authority, triggered this authority, what are you going to do? how are you going to spend our taxpayer money, and while all this money is flying out of the
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federal treasury, let's please in washington avoid earmarks, pork -- >> slipping other things in. >> let's make sure the resources and the money go to the places most in need right now. >> two more hot points. one is the idea of the corps of army engineers. i know we're not china. we don't have the man power and the capabilities to build up as quickly as they did, but whether it's -- >> the best medical capabilities in the world. >> tony fauci keeps saying that. but the human capital has to be treated right and have what they need so they don't get sick. but building temporary hospitals and putting things up. california and new york are asking for it. two of your big population centers but it's not happening. i don't understand why. what is a good reason to not do that yet? >> i think our nation's military whether it's the army corps of engineer, guard, perhaps even active duty military personnel need to be in this fight.
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i would not federalize the national guard. there is something called title 32 status which enables the federal government to pay for resources under your brother's command and control here in new york state. our defense department is immense in terms of personnel, the resources. let's think about smart ways to use the capabilities whether it's hospital beds or active duty, consistent with the u.s. posse comitas, military that's not supposed to engage in domestic law enforcement, and let's be smart about how we use this. >> how long should it take? when they ask i need you to build me hospitals? >> when i was at dhs, we had craig fugate at fema. fema is incredible in terms of their ability to deploy resources overnight, quickly. and the u.s. army could learn from fema. i would like to fema to help
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guide the way in terms of getting resources quickly out to the field in this situation. chris, this is our 9/11. and it could be worse than 9/11. and so it requires mobilization, focus among government officials, but it also requires personal commitment and sacrifice among the american public. those of us in washington have gotten out of the habit of asking the public for their help in dealing with a crisis. but we need to mobilize public support, public sacrifice, public effort, to fight this, and we will fight this and beat this eventually when the vaccine gets out there, but up until now we've got to engage in social isolation and do what our leaders tell us and we'll get through this. >> i haven't seen the city feel like this since 9/11. the existential threat then was they're going to keep getting us. we don't know when it's coming, but this is it. they're going to come and kill us. this is the first time since then i felt it except they don't have -- that took like a month and a half before people started to turn like there's an enemy we can get.
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i want you to see this. filling up a beach. putting more lives at risk in the midst of a pandemic. when we're hearing reports of young people now being more vulnerable than expected. this is being an ameri-can't. we can't get together. we can't beat this virus. do better. calling it the chinese virus. or the wuhan virus or the kung-flu, you may think it's clever but it's hurting. why doesn't fauci and other health officials call it that? because it could have come from anywhere. all right? attacks against the asian community are on the rise. the president was asked about it. he said this. >> it's not racist at all, no. not at all. it comes from china. >> a person at the white house used the term kung-flu. my question is do you think that's wrong? and do you think using the term chinese virus puts asian americans at risk?
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>> no, not at all. i think they probably would agree with it 100%. it comes from china. >> it's not about where it started. all right? this doesn't help. calling it a foreign virus. we're all in the fight together. stop it. so now let's get to the ameri-can part. that means stepping up to help those most vulnerable like who? the elderly. at higher risk of infection, especially amid the craze of panic buying. whole foods, stop and shop, giant, target, safeway, you see their logos? good. there's some of the retailers opening up earlier and reserving an hour or two for older shoppers so they can get what they need safely. some smaller grocery stores are also doing the same. as i hear about them, i'll tell you. it also means offering solace at a time that people need it most. you can't be coronavirus all the time worried. the metropolitan opera is offering free live streams of
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mavericks owner and entrepreneur mark cuban. how are you in the family doing, brother? >> we're doing all right. we're on spring break, and just keeping everybody together. cocooning and a lot of forced family fun. >> thank you for joining us, especially on your personal time like this. what are you seeing that you do and do not like? >> well, that's a great question. what i love is our community is coming together, businesses helping each other. i'm getting emails every minute from organizations like you know the event business has been decimated. there's a lot of companies that our contract was for big events with temporary structures. they're installing those to expand the capacity. those things are happening every hour. it's good to see. it's great to see people of all levels stepping up and helping people who don't have jobs and
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giving them jobs. it's really -- there is a bright lining. hopefully it gets bigger. >> we're calling those people ameri-cans, people stepping up right now. >> absolutely. >> the president just signed what will probably be one step in much needed congressional and financial support. what do you think we have to be mindful of in terms of how we help people and this economy going forward? >> well, a couple things. one, you want to give people a sense of control over their own lives. right now i think people feel like they just don't know what's next. we have such imperfect information and people are really scared. and i like the idea of giving the $1,000 check to people who need it. that gives them a sense of control. i also like the idea of opening up loans to small businesses and medium-sized businesses. the more we can do to help them keep paying the employees so they don't have to lay them off and go -- and the employees have to go through the process of finding the job in the future,
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that's also a big positive. where we have to be careful, you know, inevitably we'll bail out several industries. we can't repeat the mistakes we made before. if the government is going to subsidize and support various industries, we have to make sure we stop things like stock buybacks or enrichment programs where we give bonuses and stock and options to ceos but not give them to employees. this is an opportunity for the government when they get involved to level the playing field for all employees in those organizations and say you know what? whatever you give to the ceo, you give to the person getting paid by the hour or getting the least amount salary so that everybody is going to have to work to bring that company back and everybody shares on the up side. >> during the tax cut, they talked about that. that we're going to give permanent tax cuts to the corporate class. and maybe we'll put in there they have to do something for workers. that quickly got swept off the table. it never happened. government can do that. just to be clear.
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right? if they're giving you a break, they can define how you use the break. that's not offensive to capitalism any more than the idea of a bailout. right? >> no. that's smart. if i'm looking at the people of the united states, our taxpayers, you'd better believe i'm going to require it. not only can you not be stock buybacks next year or the year after or forever, but you can't do options repricing -- whatever you offer to the ceo, you have to offer to every single employee in that company. >> because that's what we learned in 2008. it helped to keep liquidity in the markets but the people losing their homes and economic victims of jobs being sweat off, they did not get the same level of help. now -- >> exactly. >> let me ask you something about the nba in general. people are worried that just like the big companies got bailed out in 2008, it seems like if you know somebody, you can get tested. when nba players are turning up or there's the brooklyn nets, they get tested right away and everybody is begs for tests otherwise. do you think there's two tiers
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of medical justice going on? >> i don't know. we followed the protocols for our players. we're keeping them effectively under quarantine and talking to them every day with medical professionals. i can't speak to which have and have not been tested but it's not like something was offered to us that other people couldn't get. we faced the same dilemmas that every organization faces. >> and so far everybody is okay? >> yeah. we're keeping an eye on them so far so good. >> you have a lot of hour wage workers and a lot of event workers there that need the money. they can't work right now. hopefully you don't have to lay anybody off. how do you help them? >> i pay them. we're paying them as if the mavs gagement are taking place. -- games are taking place. they're not going to miss a paycheck at all. >> say it again. say it again. you're a bottom line guy. you're a businessman. yeah, you do a lot of nice things with your money.
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i've known you for a long time. but you had an option. you are deciding to pay your workers whether or not that was in the preexisting policy? >> right. it wasn't in the policy, but it wasn't an option. it was the right thing to do, and now i've gotten requests as i mentioned earlier, and sometimes people ask what should they do. if you can afford it, not only do you keep your workers on payroll, but find others furloughed or laid off and get them work. i've been involved in different actions there. people want jobs. and then you've got folks like health care workers who aren't getting near the credit, and i know you said so, but aren't getting near the credit for putting their lives on the line. we just finished a program with the mavs and some of our players. we're going to pay for day care for health care workers. so people can go to work knowing their kids are taken care of, and the day care workers, we're working with organizations that check them out. but that's going to be new jobs as well. people who may not have had jobs before, not only now will be able to get jobs but will have them working with day care organizations so health care workers can go to work knowing their kids are okay.
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>> i love it. that's one of the reasons i beg you to come on the show so often. especially right now, we're not talking politics. we are talking social pressure and peer pressure. and i want the business people out there to know if they're on the small level, the big shots know that you should be taken care of at this time. >> let me tell you something. >> go ahead. last word to you. >> okay. last word. one thing i'm seeing across all my shark tank companies. there are the haves and have nots. there are some companies that are truly excelling right now. the entertainment hospitality events getting crushed. airlines getting crushed. there are companies that sell food and other products that are in high demand on amazon and elsewhere online that are excelling. what we've got to do is get those companies to really reach out and hire more people. because it's not everybody getting really hurt. there are some companies that are really in a good position
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and we really need to get those folks to step up, hire more, and actually pay more so everything -- everybody can prosper as much as possible in these types of circumstances. >> if you flip your mind set in a time of need, you go from me to we really quick. thank you. >> thank you. we were talking to dr. fauci earlier. all right? about what we're doing medically and what's not working. we had jeh johnson about the capacity crisis. now you just heard mark cuban. capacity? don't forget the health care workers. they're going to need the help. how do we keep them safe? how do we keep them working? how do they treat these patients when they don't even have the things to wear to save themselves? you're going to hear from someone on the front lines. what she's seeing. who gets sick? how it goes and what they need from you next.
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we have to do what they're asking us to do. it's about figuring the best way to protect ourselves and others. like the people we need most, okay? our health care workers, our healers. doctors, nurses, emts, so many other staff that are going to be there. their risk of infection is growing. and what they need to not get sick is shrinking. how? what can we do about it? dr. amy compton phillips on the front lines. she treated the nation's first coronavirus patient. doctor, always good to see you. seeing how i just saw you last night. >> thank you so much. thank you for having me. >> this idea, doctor, that young people are not as impervious as once thought. not a surprise to you. what is your experience? >> so we've seen lots of young people come in with symptoms of the infection. it's just that when they get it, they tend to recover at much higher rates. the older you are, the more underlying conditions, the more
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repercussions, including more likely to die. >> we have seen rough cases in younger people in italy and the united states. it's an alarm to them, stop ignoring the demands put on all of us thinking you'll be okay. four out of five people who get the virus get it from someone who didn't know they had it. that's you young people, and if you don't self-contain, we're going to have a problem. that's the social service message. but now about you guys. how bad is it already in terms of what you need so you can do your job and help the rest of us? >> we literally were down to under half a day's worth of personal protective equipment. so the masks and the face shields in particular were the biggest thing for us. we've been virtually desperate. looking under every nook and cranny, trying to find the equipment we need, because if all out of doctors and nurses
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and housekeepers and respiratory therapists are sick and unable to come to work, who's going to take care of all of the people we know who are going to be coming in over the next few weeks? >> what have you had to resort to to get masks? is it true you are making your own equipment? >> we are. and, in fact, by tomorrow we'll masks, as well as designs that you can make at home. because we need to do something and we know that the global supply chain just tied up right now. with covid, our need for masks has increased dramatically. we had -- i think i mentioned to you last night -- in one year, across all of our hospitals and our ambulatory surgery centers, we would use 250,000 masks a year, up through last year. in three months, at one hospital, we went through 250,000 masks. so the increased demand has just
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far outstripped supply. so we just have to do something different. >> how long does a mask last? >> well, it depends. so if we have what we call cohorted patients, if we put all the patients with covid in one facility, together, and you use a face shield over the mask, you can go from patient to patient with the same mask on, as long as you change your gloves. and that's what they have done in italy. and that's what they did in china. it's called cohorting. putting them together. if you have one patient with covid and one not, every single time you go out of that room, you ever to throw away that mask. so we are trying very hard now to do what we call conservation measures to make sure every mask goes as far as it can. >> now, i promise you every bit of information you give me about how money can be raised, and how masks can be made, will be reminded on this show regularly. and will be on social media everywhere i can get it on cnn. you are having a fundraiser. what is the information for
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people to need to know? >> so if you go to providence.org, we have a hundred million mask challenge site on there. and at the moment, we are -- it's -- it is just a shell. and so by tomorrow, i hope that it'll be built up much further. but, please, keep -- keep checking back because we need these masks. we need tools to keep our caregivers safe so that they can care for you when you need them. >> providence.org. that's where you go to find it. when you get the video of how to make the mask to your specks, you will let me know about the video. we will put it out. i will prevail upon the people at cnn. they got massive reach at their site, especially now. we'll put it out for people to make the masks. you can tell us who needs them and we'll do what we can because we need you and we have to help you do the job for the rest of us. dr. amy compton phillips, thank you, god bless, stay healthy. >> thank you, chris. >> now, someday, we'll have the discussion about how the hell
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did the richest company -- country in the world, with all the companies we have, not have the stuff we needed? someday. not today. what we'll do is everything we can to get us to where we can be to deal with this. now, one of the biggest crises, though, we're facing right now, if you think about it, what's eating us up the most? uncertainty. i have an argument that we only have two choices. the good news is, only one is the right answer. next.
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coronavirus. living up to its name. corona. greek. crown. it's ruling everything. everyone. let's be honest. to this point, isn't the hardest part not knowing? uncertainty is as contagious as the virus, and certainly
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sickening in and of itself. we keep hearing about people being sick but they can't get tested. they keep saying tests are coming and we're going to get caught up on the data. but when? uncertain. and uncertainty, mixed with shortage of trust in government, toxic. the numbers. they keep jumping. but we know they're not accurate because they're not testing. we thought the real lethality risk was this thing about how many elderly this disease would take from us. this virus. how many of the compromised. but, now, it is uncertain how many of us may be compromised. the young and strong were worrying about being ignored in all this online. but out and about ignoring the very warnings that they wanted. now, it turns out, they're getting sick, too. some, badly. the one bright spot was this virus seemed to spare the young, the toddlers, teens. now, uncertain. how many? how long? uncertain. how long will this last?
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keeps changing in wild ways. trump went from not going to happen to one and done to 15 cases and case closed. to it will magically disappear. to we got this. to 15 days. to august. and, now, an 18-month contingency plan. the scariest part, while we know he was bs'ing in the beginning, now, his ignorance is actually justified. it is uncertain. they don't know. nobody knows. you can't know. and, look, i know i'm on tv but i'm living it just like you and almost all the same ways. especially, if you're not sick, god forbid. my family's 100 miles away. my mom is living with us. i'm working here. have i been exposed? maybe. i -- is my cough and my achy feeling. is it allergies? is it a cold? should i be tested? uncertain. probably not. if i go home, am i going to risk my kids?
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am i going to risk my mother? do i have to stay away? for how long? all, uncertain. now, here is what is not uncertain. and i don't want to have to tell you this, but you have to hear it. this is just starting. and we know that playing uncertainty the wrong way is dangerous. how do we know? four out of five people who get this virus, get it from someone who didn't know they had it. and in that fact is the answer to what seems to be this vexing question. how do you deal with uncertainty? because we are seeing two options play out, right? under prepare or over prepare. under prepare is what you see out all too much. flouting self-isolation. writing it off as fake news. ask italy and a dozen other countries how fake this is. that is stupid and selfish, to me. in the face of the unknown, the only choice is to do everything
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we can to prepare. be certain about that. no matter how onerous, costly to government, frustrating. we must encourage friends and families, online and in person, to do the same. we must demand government do the same. be certain about this. if you do not prepare for the worst, hoping for the best is, certainly, asking for the hardest times to come. god bless you. stay safe. stay healthy. stay together. thanks for watching. cnn tonight with d. lemon right now. >> so our conversation last night when i said i appreciated our -- our conversation that we had yesterday. and what you were doing for your family, especially your mom. people were asking me what did you mean? now, they know. so, similar situation, my mom is now with me. but my family's 100 miles away, close to your families as well. mine's

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