video the virus strains the thin blue line. i'm michael smerconish. the u.s. has 18,763 confirmed cases, 258 known deaths. italy on friday announce add jaw dropping 627 deaths in 24 hours, the largest single day toll anywhere in the world since the outbreak began. that brings their death toll to more than 4,000. all sectors of society now under strain but perhaps none more important than the members of law enforcement. some lack protective equipment that would prevent them from acquiring the virus. those sworn to protect and serve face the unique challenge of engaging in social distancing while simultaneously protecting the public, and the issue of how to interact those suspected of

committing crimes. as the crisis continues some police departments are seeing employees get sick. two new york city police officials diagnosed. a manhattan precinct was forced to bring in reinforcements after an officer tested positive and about 30 others called in sick according to the associated press. it appears to be impacting arrests. in los angeles county the average number of arrests has lessened from 300 to 60 per day. and here in philadelphia the police have adopted an unprecedented strategy, the philadelphia enquirer obtained a memo outlining changes to arrest procedures. individuals who would normally be arrested for offenses including narcotics, retail theft, burglary and vandalism will be released after temporarily being detained for the length of time necessary to confirm their identity. arresting officers will now issue an arrest warrant that will be served, quote, at a later time. if an officer believes the offender is a threat to public safety, a different course of

action might be followed. police commissioner outlaw said no one will escape from the crimes they commit. fear of contagion has caused the bureau to halt visitation and california, ohio and illinois are releasing hundreds of inmates early. a chief physician for the correctional health services in new york tweeted out a warning, quote, a storm is coming, and i know what i'll be doing when it claims my first patient. what will you be doing? what will you have done? we have told you who is at risk. please let as many out as you possibly can. and then pressure on the court system n. new york and other cities trials delays, grand juries put on hold, sentencings postponed. some judges are using video to preside remotely over arraignments. no wonder, then, that coronavirus has boosted the gun industry.

images of long lines outside gun stores in new york and oklahoma have gone viral. the ammunition website says it has recorded an unprecedented 309% surge in revenue over the last three weeks, the latest figures from the fbi's background check system show a 73% rise in background checks in february when compared to the same month a year ago. our borders are also facing pressures. yesterday the trump administration announced the u.s. will close the legal entry points along the border with mexico and canada to tourism. people crossing the southern border illegally will be turned away instead of bringing them to a detention center where they could seek asylum and migrants who have a criminal history will be detained others returned to their home country. i want to know what you think. go to my website this hour and answer the survey question should police stop arresting for low-level crimes amidst coronavirus? joining me now is ken cuccinelli, the acting

defensementy secretadeputy secretary of homeland security. mr. secretary, what will be done differently by the department of homeland security? >> at our borders where we are front loaded with law enforcement, part of the reason you saw the cdc issue the order they did yesterday is because of the uncertain environment, the largest law enforcement in america. operating with more pp, a phrase people are more familiar with, personal protective equipment, and it varies from environment to environment. you're going to be operating differently than if you're at a port of entry processing people. now under the new rules that took effect at midnight last night you'll be turning many people back who would have otherwise been legally admissible to the united states if they're not here, economic

and medical, educational, those sorts of things. that is a major change for us. we have been talking to sheriffs and chiefs of police, literally thousands of them. many of the questions you raised in your introduction are questions we've been asking direct conversations with sheriffs and chiefs across the country. and you are seeing a numerical reduction in, i would say, arrests simply if for no other reason than logistics. so the way you conduct business is more conservative from a behavioral standpoint. you don't want to see introduction into your detention facilities of the coronavirus. >> so let me tap into your experience as the former attorney general of virginia. what worries you most? you heard my opening assessment of the big picture. what among that or other information that you have is of

most concern to ken cuccinelli? >> so it's the ability of local officials well informed to make decisions appropriate to their areas. forsake of discussion let's talk about california. no, let's take washington state since it started out there. if you're doing law enforcement in seattle you have a little mini epidemic there. if you go east about 100 miles, the situation is quite different. and so the questions for law enforcement to address end up with very different answers. and if you get this one size fits all from above edict about how to do business, they lose the ability to use their manpower in the way best productive while maintaining public safety. we really need the nuanced authority exercised at the most local level possible.

and what we're trying to do at the federal level, and my time as a state attorney general is we're trying to get exactly that information to these local decision makers, sheriffs, chiefs of police, their political counterparts, mayors, for instance. i had a long talk with mayors before we finalized with mexico and the things they asked for were all included. this is a two-way street in terms of information flow. >> an important question i want to ask, what is the message to someone here illegally and is sick? >> well, ice has what's called a sensitive locations policy. we don't do enforcement at hospitals, doctors offices and so forth. any care you're seeking to receive because you're afraid

you may have the coronavirus will be uninterrupted. the only exceptions are very rare and very individualized. there will be some unusual reason related to that particular individual and we haven't seen that in the months since the virus has risen. so we don't do enforcement at doctors offices and hospitals, again, without some rare exceptions. people are pushing us, you shouldn't do it at these other places. law enforcement goes on, we will enforce the law but we will not be doing it in health care facilities where they're doing drive-thru testing, doctors offices, any places like that. >> said simply if you're here illegally and you're sick, we want you to be treated for coronavirus. >> correct. tweet me at smerconish. i will read some throughout the course of the program. this comes from facebook. i get it but it might create

more crime. follow the policy but don't make it public. you raise an interesting issue because here in philadelphia, and i have the memo with me, as a matter of fact, i know that the police department was disappointed that a copy of it was leaked. but it's the reality and it's not just here, it's nationwide. i raise it because i think it's important for all of us to know and appreciate the strain under which law enforcement at a local, state, and national level are now operating so that we can be supportive of them. i want to know what you think during the course of the program. go to my website, answer this week's survey question. it is as follows, should police stop arresting for low-level crimes due to coronavirus? up ahead, until last night london pubs and restaurants were functioning as normal. now initially the uk chief science officer had said their objective was, quote, herd immunity. what is it? how is that supposed to work?tin

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i should've purchased lighter weights! british prime minister boris johnson ordering all pubs, clubs, restaurants and gyms nationwide to shut their doors as they battle coronavirus. this wasn't always the case in the uk. britain's neighbors in europe are shutting down the continent locking pubs in dublin, cafes in paris, closing schools, enforcing quarantines not seen since the middle ages. the bars are still open, most schools, museums and restaurants are, too.

our aim is to try to reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely. also because the vast majority of people get a mild illness to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission. at the same time we protect those most vulnerable to it. when you release it those measures bounce back and it bounces back at the wrong time. boris johnson's government was accepting, a large number of citizens would be infected but that a greater good would be served when a majority of them recovered and would have enough antibodies coursing in their bodies to produce what infectious disease specialists call herd immunity. scientists signed a letter questioning the approach. as to the risks of coronavirus, the approach shifted and followed the lead of the u.s.

and other nations by shutting down. from tufts university's school of medicine, in 2015 he wrote this piece. why is herd immunity so important? doctor, there are only two ways to become immune and we don't have one of them. that's the vaccine, correct? >> yes, michael, that is correct. i think the foreign concept for people to remember is that epidemics have been occurring, as you mentioned, since the middle ages. previously it wasn't such a problem because people were more isolated. they lived in small groups and population density was much lower and obviously there wasn't international travel. an epidemic begins when a large

segment of the population lacks immunity to the particular germ that is circulating, in this case it's the virus or the covid-19 virus. as you say the only way to develop immunity against an infectious disease is either by experiencing the infection and making your own antibodies or by administration of a vaccine that stimulates the host make antibodies without experiencing the disease. that's the only two roots by which immunity has been developed. there was a risk of transmission that depends on several factors. if enough people in the community have immunity, have their own antibodies, as you noted, then the virus is much

less likely to circulate. we know the most infectious virus we know about is the measles virus. right now about 90% of 5-year-old children in the united states have been immunized against measles and, therefore, will not experience disease. children who are not immunized against measles, there are local pockets around the united states where there are a much higher number of people who lack immunity and, therefore, the herd immunity is very low. once the measles virus is introduced in the community it will spread quite rapidly and cause severe disease. >> i explain you appreciate you

explaining this to me in a way i can understand. what you explained does beg the question, was there an alternative route to go, perhaps the way they were going initially in the uk, a mind-set of isolating those who are most vulnerable and allowing the herd immunity notion you've described to take hold? >> i think that's one approach, michael. i would have some reservation about that approach. this virus will find its way around the world. we cannot prevent it. it's here. it's in just about every country where it's been searched for including antarctica. this will spread quite quickly as we are seeing here in the united states.

i think the proper approach -- the approach that the federal government and the cdc are taking shape now referred to as flattening the curve really indicates that the same number of people are going to be infected whether there's a sudden surge in peak in activity or stretch it out over several months by social distancing. stretching out the number of cases we will not exceed the capacity of hospitals to care for those who are particularly sick, probably 80% to 90% of -- i'm sorry? >> i understand. i'm just acknowledging that i'm following you. >> thank you. probably 80% to 90% of the cases will be mild and not require medical intervention. then there will be 10% to 20% of

cases mostly in the elderly who are frail and have other underlying illnesses such as heart disease or lung disease or diabetes. but there will always be outlie outliers, people who have severe disease and need intensive care. if we can stretch out the severity of the disease rather than have it all concentrated, the best in the world we'll be able to handle the influx in patients. >> understood. i appreciate your explanation. i now understand the capacity argument that you're making. dr. meissner, thank you for your expertise. >> thank you, michael. >> with so many people told to shelter in place the economy in a tizzy, a worldwide race for a

vaccine or cure, but how fast and when will that happen? also, what will the cost be? as the outbreak in china spreads, one u.s. drug maker rising pharmaceuticals double the price of chloroquine, the malaria drug president trump has been touting. according to "the financial times" the rise was coincidental and restored the old price once italized it might be in demand. joining me now is gerald posner the author of the new book "pharma: greed, lies and the poisoning of america." gerald, my sunshine, my attention served to prevent price gouging when there is a vaccine. >> i don't think so, michael. a perfect example of what drug companies often do. they see an opportunity and this

is a biggest roft opportunity and where trump gets ahead of the science. he tweeted this was approved, chloroquine, for covid-19. guess what, 20 minutes later the fda had to come out and say, no, it's not. he had a tweet that said it's low risk. guess what, it's for malaria and arthritis, all types of laundry list of side effects including for heart patients who it's toxic. if the company doubles the price, we're getting a taste for what i talk about in the book, the dna of big pharma. they come up at a time we're in need and get a high price because we're desperate and willing to pay it. >> there's an international race under way. great coverage in "the times" on this. whatever scientist will determine who among us globally is first in line.

>> yeah, no, i think nationalism is the worst thing to add. one thing we know and one of the heroes in my book is jonas salk who invented the polo vaccine, what company should have it and own it, could you patent the sun? it's impossible. that's why we stopped polio, why we got rid of smallpox. if the chinese who have over 100 of their top scientists working on this team or trump and america says america first, it's a disaster. microbes do not respect whether you're chinese, american, democratic or republican. they're an equal opportunity devastator. and if countries think they can own it, they can't. >> if it's developed in the united states, presumably tax dollars would have gone into a significant part of that research, won't that hold the price in check? >> you would think so, look.

one of the things i talk about, the nih, national institutes of health, taxpayer funded research, $900 billion we have spent since the 1930s, drug companies take the research and patent it into drugs they sell for billions of dollars. by the way, $700 million since sars in 2003 just on researching coronavirus which will go into this. the drug companies talk about money for research and development. it's not really true on public events like this it comes in. we have laws against price gouging. in this case in 1976 when we had the swine flu in america, 100 million doses of the vaccine held back from the government by companies we know like wyeth and merck and parke-davis wouldn't give it out until they got a guarantee of a reasonable profit. in the emergency funding bill passed the other day, pharma

lobbyists were able to strip out the ability to hold down prices. i have an entire chapter i talk about this, the first drug out was all done at government research. they developed it. they improved it. yet it was made the most expensive drug in the world at $10,000 a dose despite all the howling protests. they made billions of dollars on it and we, the taxpayers, funded it. that can't be allowed to happen again. and if we do, shame on us. >> yeah. i read the book, i understand the history. i think that illuminating conversations like this will seek to hold the industry in check and our first objective is find the vaccine. thank you so much. >> i agree. thank you, michael. >> a lot of social reaction to this program. what have you got? this comes from facebook f. other businesses can be charged with price gouging, big pharma should, too. this is ridiculous.

i just said to gerald what i'm hoping for in that regard media attention on the process i would like to think is going to keep it all in check. what do we have from twitter? herd immunity is the only sustainable approach to this kind of disease like it or not. look, i'm not a scientist and i'm not a physician but it's an intriguing concept, right? and it's not something created out of whole cloth. the chief science officer in the uk was the one who first spoke openly of this idea of isolating those among us and recognizing many of the rest of us are going to get it but herd immunity will take hold and protect society at large. i leave the science to the physicians but the two cents i think i know something about are the politics. i don't know that you could sell

that, that you could sell that to the public and we recognize that and will lose some in the process. on balance we'll be better served. in any event let me make this crystal clear. the u.s. has gone in a different direction, i think, since the imperial college data was released several days ago. i want to remind you to answer the survey question. here it is. should police stop arresting for low-level crimes due to coronavirus? as i documented at the outset that's taking place all across the country. up ahead the olympic flame landed in japan on friday. with sports of all stripes already canceled, will this summer's games even be held? we've got it. i will talk to stephen a. smith about living through a very different sort of march madness that we had hoped and anticipated. plus, with schools closed in 45 states, many are trying to make the switch to online teaching. there's a class divide about access which has prompted some

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coronavirus having an impact on education. 45 states decided to close schools, at least 118,000 u.s. public and private schools are closed or scheduled to close. as schools close many are looking to online alternatives. the trouble is there's not a quality of computer access. 29% of adults with household incomes below $30,000 a year don't own a smartphone. 44% don't have home broad band services, 46% lack a traditional computer. and a majority of lower income

americans are not tablet owners. by comparison each of these technologies is nearly ubiquitous among households earning $100,000 or more a year. in camden, new jersey, only 30% of families in the almost 6,000 student district have internet access and electronic devices for each student. on tuesday the school district here in philadelphia directed teachers not to offer remote instruction suggesting that wouldn't, quote, ensure equity for all students. online education has become the immediate norm with college students. might that have long lasting implications given the soaring costs of college education and concern about student debt. might this experience change perceptions of families who heretofore sent their kids off to college. as this headline in "usa today" puts it, small colleges were already on the brink. now coronavirus threatens their

existen existence. joining me now is the president of overland college in ohio. what has been the response thus far? >> well, thanks, michael, for having me to talk about covid and the impact. we were in close contact with our local health department listening to the recommendations of our governor and it became really clear that we were not going to be able on a college campus to practice social distancing. college campuses in a lot of ways are like a stationary cruise ship, we reside together, dine together and have communal bathrooms. it became clear quickly we need to have our students in their in-person classes to go and practice social distances at their homes. we did that in 36 hours, told our students this was the last day of classes and had them go off to their families. >> do you worry, as i pointed out and "usa today" has in the

story today that not for in oberlin but schools on the bubble this whole experience just might reorient the pay parents and students look at higher education? >> you know, it's interesting. i think that any challenge like this is going to reorient us all, right? we're going to rethink how we live our lives, how we engage with each other. i think it will let us know what we missed, too. all of us know what it means to not be in community together, not to be in this collective moment together. and so it's been interesting on our campus as our faculty have been checking in with our students remotely and have come back together on zoom, and the energy that creates is really about the fact that they have been together already. that they have been this collective together. i think what we'll discover is that, yes, some things might be reshaped about how we think about delivering this academic experience. we all know what the values of being in community and we may just discover that sending our

kids off to residential small, private, liberal arts colleges is the theng we want to do because it gives them an experience they need to have. >> president ambar, i think it's a wake-up call, the subject of equity when you talk about computer access. as i pointed out the fact they had to stop online instruction here in philadelphia because they realized a lot of kids were going to get shut out in the process. you get the final word on that subject. >> i think it's a fair point. for example, we have a number of students who are first generation college students who this experience is particularly difficult financially so we had to send out hot spots to particular areas in order to ensure our students could have access. provide laptops to a series of students. it's a legitimate question we need to think about society wide about how to have access to the internet and to technology, for everyone in our community. we're deeply committed to diversity here at oberlin and to

access and opportunity. that's why we provide $63 million in financial aid. and it's about ensuring all of society can get access to the important information we need. we do have to deal with it as a society and sometimes challenges like this can heighten our sense of focus on things that are really necessary and access is an important piece we need to think about. >> thank you for your time. good luck at oberlin. >> thank you. i appreciate it. still to come, sports fans buckle up for a hell of an exciting weekend. in the absence of your usual favorites espn a bizarre mix of competitions you never knew existed like ax throwing and dodgeball. we'll talk to stephen a. smith to talk about how he's weathering new meaning to the term march madness.

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a march without madness, the ncaa tournament cancellation part of an industry wide stoppage which means a delay to major league baseball, soccer, heck, you name it. several nba players tested positive for the virus raising a controversy as to how they obtained their tests to begin with. so what's a sports fan to do? for that matter what's a sports network to do? tomorrow espn airing the fourth ever edition of espn the ocho bringing the most bizarre, innovative and entertaining sports you rarely see. settle into your couch for the world championship of ax throwing league.

america's dodgeball, the usa squaring off against canada. joining me to discuss this and more is stephen a. smith. i would pay money to listen to your analysis of dodgeball or stone skipping or arm wrestling, which most intrigues you? >> well, listen, as far as i'm concerned all of it at this particular moment in time we're dealing with very trying times, no denying that. no way to get around that. but the flip side to it all weak long on "first take" on espn we've been talking about nfl e free agency. nfl is king. we're wondering where tom brady was going to go, what he was going to sign for, the drew brees of the world signing extensions, todd gurley let go by the rams, ultimately signing with the atlanta falcons. the list goes on and on. so you have nfl free agency in terms of your respective teams and what they're going to do to improve. you have the nfl draft coming up as well.

and obviously we are talking about going back and forth with commentary and what have you, a lot of opinions about a lot of different things whether it's the nba, the nfl or what have you. there's usually something to talk about. clearly we're compromised to some degree because the games are not going on right now because of the suspensions by the league and what have you. nevertheless there's still been a lot of content to engage in and bant back aer back and fort. that's what we're doing and continue to do. >> you mention the nba. is it feasible? is it possible if we can get through this we could jump start the league as late as june. >> you have to remember there were reports out there one of the owners for the atlanta hawks before any of this had transpired had made the proposal the nba should consider starting their season in december and going through the month of july, through hatch tlf the summer, t

league should start later and end later, something commissioner adam silver certainly was considering. i'm not trying to say it was imminent in any way but is something that intrigued people in the nba community and now is on the verge of potentially happening assuming that a season is able to be resumed. unfortunately, you have to get through this crisis first. it's ravaged the sports world. there's no denying that. speaking to owners throughout the league on several occasions as well as executives they have not given up hope that indeed there will be an nba season. they still obviously consider it a 50/50 proposition. in the end if you are somehow, some way able to restart the season or continue in late may or early june, who knows, you could go into summer, have playoffs in july, have a season where the champion is established or crowned by the beginning or middle of august. all of those possibilities are

still out there. it's not necessarily pie in the sky although it might seem that way at this time. there are a lot of people holding out hope. of course as commissioner silver told espn's rachel nichols, they're following their lead along with the federal government and what have you and we'll see what transpires from there. >> stephen, i can understand the japanese not wanting to fold the tent on the prospect of a summer games, but how likely is it that that really could go forward? >> well, i really don't know because we don't -- i don't have to deal with the olympics too much. i can tell you speaking to folks who are scheduled to compete they're very, very concerned. you have some people who believe that it should be pushed back, that it should be postponed a year or two years simply to make sure to ensure there are indeed games, you have athletes training for three years. and now there's been the suspension of things in terms of just paying attention, the

social distancing and what have you, you're wondering how the athletes will train, wondering whether or not they're listening to that advice from health officials who have discouraged social gatherings obviously but olympic athletes are saying how are we going to train, how are we going to be ready, continue with the games in the summer and we have not been training and we have not been competing against one another in an effort to elevate our level of play and preparation so we're ready once the games take place. what if we don't do that and they say lo and behold the games are still on then we'll go to tokyo and that's not good for anybody. so they're not going to listen to that. these athletes are going to continue to train come hell or high water by any means necessary, and who knows how that may endanger folks. they are aware of that. they feel the ioc and beyond needs to do something about it. at this point in time they're still up in the air as to what may happen. >> a quick final question, you talk about athletes dealing with this. you're so wired among

professional athletes. generally speaking, what are you hearing as to their coping mechanisms and how they're enduring having to sit out earning their livelihoods? >> well, it's devastating because they love the game and they desperately want to play. on the business side they are also aware that even though they've gotten their checks from april 1st, as of april 15th and beyond their checks might be compromised because with the leagues and owners losing money that means the players are going to lose money as well due to a doomsday provision that was signed. so all of those things are being considered. they recognized that but also understand the urgency of the moment. they're spending time with their families, loved ones, they're close knit in that regard. because of it that's able to diminish their misery to some degree. in the end they desperately want to get back and play. they're playing the league is in concert with the federal government, local and state

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