and were unable to be by his side to say good-bye. he was 93. the news continues. i want to hand it to chris. >> thank you so much for us to remember what's being lost in this. it's hard to hear but those are members of the great estrogen race. thanks for telling their stories. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to prime-time. the president says he wants to reopen the economy two weeks from now. that's when experts show the worst rush of extreme cases hitting the financial capital of the country. does that make sense to you? let's test it on all rel vantd base's. we'll bring in the governor of the state with the second most cases. we have a doctor on the front lines on the opposite coast fighting in the state thirds most cases. then the message behinds the movement to reopen, which is literally shameful. a republican lawmaker getting a huge platform to say to mex of

the great estrogen race, it's time to give again 40s economy. that, 3450i6 my friends, is the. we'll get through this. what do you say? let's get after it. >> breaking news tonight. a senior federal health official involved in the coronavirus response tells cnn public health officials are drafting option toss allow people to take a step back into society in certain areas. this could be a "rolling response" they say with restrictions eased in areas at different times. all this with the president wanting churches packed by easter sunday. >> easter is a great time line. we begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

>> is the light at the end of the tunnel, the pain train? that's the question. t he's not making it up. that's what his experts say. here's him. >> president said it is a war. it is a war. well, then act like it's a war! what am i going to do with 400 voent lators when i need 30,000? i pick the 26,000 people with who are going die because you only sent 400 sent lators. >> now, he's upset. i'm biassed easy high my brother. phil plury, with governor of new jersey, you gave people news. a lot of family in new jersey. grew up there during the summers. you gave your with constituents news today,000 they needed to know but didn't want to hear.

what's the worst case scenario in your state. >> it's note good. we have 3675 positive cases. we're not shocked by that. we knew it was coming in part because we've opened up testing so aggressively. the numbers are going straight up. sadly, we announced 17 new deaths for a total now of 44 bless bless blessed souls. we're going to be hunkered down for a while. >> you heard andrew say his experts says two, three weeks with hospitalization cases, testing the system's gas what do the experts tell i? >> i'd say that's probably about right, maybe we're going to come in a little bit behind that. your brother's doing a great job, by the way. a lot of the response really is more powerful when will we do it

as a region. he and governor lamont in connecticut, governor wolfe in pennsylvania and i have done a lot together. i think we're two weeks away. we're behind the new york reality but we're living the same reality. >> speaking of reality, the president says, governor, i get that you're afraid. you're worried about it. but enough is enough. easter means a lot to the president, he says. one of his favorite times. deep meaning. we should be reopened then. what will that mean in new jersey? >> listen, i hope he's right, but i'd be lying to you, chris, if i said i don't see that. we're trying to make our decisions based on data, science, facts, and the facts tell us aggressive social distancing, do everything we can to club that curve down on the front end and expand it as

aggressively as we can with hospital beds, equipment, and health care workers, the true heroes here on the health care side and the combination of both will get you to a better place but that's -- i hope he's right. i would love nothing more than to be able to responsibly open up things in a few yeeks. i just fear that we're not going to be there yet. >> well, look. it's all about if perspective, also. you hope he's right, but if come easter, you're still accelerating cases, your hospitals are taking it on the kwhand he serksz too bad, murphy. time to reopen. do you ignore the directive? >> listen. we got one president and that's the reality. he helped me get four field hospitals yesterday. we got another slug of personal protective equipment. here a fraction of what we need, but the fact of the matter is i can't as the chief executive of

this state, if the numbers are still going up and we still have more folks sadly who are passing on. it may be high pain. we're going to have to stay the course. no matter what? >> what if he starts coming after you? murphy is trying to do this to hurt me and he's hurting his own people, the numbers are ok, i feel. what will do you say? >> remember, we're in jersey, so we got a lot of spine. skin is very thick. lots of attitude. we'll stand tall and we'll try to reason based on the facts. listen, if the facts are going in the right direction, and no one wants that more than i do, that's one thing. but my fear based on the meetings we're having constantly would suggest we're not going to be able to be out of the woods by then. i hope they're wrong. my fear is they're not and if

they are not, il do everything in my power. >> we have to remember the other part of the aphorism. we hope someone's right. we prepare for the worst and hope for the best. where's the facts that outline the system? you're not seeing it in your state. my blower's not seeing it in new york. in california, did governor's not seeing it there. what is the basis of his statement other than belief in the easter bunny. are you worried you're next? most of us are ok, it's that east coasters and the west coasters. those new york oers, anywhere they go they should quarantine for 14 days. the northeasterners have to be quarantined if they come around the rest of us. are you worried about the message? >> listen. we are in so many respects -- i

mentioned the region, in so many respects we're locked in this together, new york and new jersey. we keep our head down and continue to base our decisions based on the facts, on science, on the professionals who give us this input. cracking that curve. we started meeting on this in january. we've been trying to stay ahead of this for months. we locked it down further over the weekend. we got to let some days pass to see how that's impacting the health care reality. we got to continue to do that and we got our heads down, focused on that, and please, god, i can't wait for that curve to start going the other direction, where we can responsibly put our toe back in the water. we can't fire that bullet too early. i feel like the back lash, the

price we pay will be overchemg should we misfire. >> a priest friend of mine, it came after the pain. you can't get away from the pain just by creating a false start. birth and renewal doesn't work that way. you came into focus of the face of the pain. run family, four family members taken by this. a bunch of them testing positive. they don't know whether it's something about their family or specific to your community. your office jumped on it when you heard about it. how much did that throw you, that one family could be affected that way. what was the lesson in that for you? >> first of all, it true hrew ul in a big way. multiple natalitys in one family. chris you were helpful and we thank you for that. they had gathered for a family

get-together, several, only three sundays ago. there was one index person in that group, in that family that was connected to the first death we had in nuke, and they're all -- they had been connected through the standard bread horse reality but it sent shock waive. bless their hearts. it was a shot across did proverbial vow that this coronavirus, which so many people for too long thought it was abstract. it was hitting my county in multiple deaths in one family. that shook a lot of people, no question about it. >> governor, what do you need most right now that you can't provide yourself? >> so i would say, chris, three things. i want to thank tmt and his administration. we need hospital beds.

we've got four field hospitals getting erecked by fema and the army corps. putting noncovid up. secondly, we need more personal protective equipment. we have a fraction of what we need. our health care workers are at the point of attack and we need a lot more to protect themselves and allow them to care. thirdly, we're are aggressively trying to expand the pool of health care workers. one last ask out of the federal government, please, god, the act pass and we'll get statate aid, community blocs, grants. that will be a huge positive jolt not just in the health care but also in our economy. >> governor, thank you for

joining us. i know how much you have on your plate right now. the public is watching states like yours and new york hope fully we'll learn what you've learned the hard way. god bless. be well. i hope to speak to you again soon. we're a call away if you need anything to get out. >> thanks, chris. that means a lot. >> thank you. little bit of irony. the feel hospitals, the timing when they'll get the equipment they need do deal with the crush. you know what it lines up with? the dpkt time that the president says it's time reopen. how does that work? you'll be getting fully equipped for the worst of it as i think we should reopen. does that make sense? easter, rebirth.

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now, that is from the w.h.o., the world health organization. if that's true. if this is the most robust site of the viruss growth, how are we a couple of weeks away from being open? sanjay gupta, i noticed nobody with any kind of public policy in the health area seconded the president on this. where is two weeks coming from? >> well, i mean, the original thing, as you know was the 15-day pause. then people were -- i think the impression was from public health officials, including fauchi, at that boipt we re-evaluate. the reevaluation looked like we may have to get more strict at that time. this idea of easter, which is about three and a half weeks, just over three and a half weeks has come up. what fauchi says.

he's pretty masterful at this. look, we'll look at the data. we're taking it on a-day-by-day basis. we flow the numbers are going to get worse. we know the numbers we're seeing was the situation reflected 14 days ago. that's how long it takes the testing to catch up. we know the virus hack spres be spreading. the pace at which the numbers are growing and saying now it's time to dial it back. i don't think any public health official would agree with that. what they say is we'll follow the data and see where it leads. >> i think it's cleared based on everybody i've talked to around the president that this is about him. he does not like the situation he's in. he's blamingst experts. he doesn't like the advise he got. he feels like he should have

stuck to his guns. he needs the economy to win. i don't think there's any reason for me to have to hide are from that reality. you deal with the medical reality of it. i don't see anybody support him with any kind of facts. and he sfez you're from new york you should be quarantined if you go anywhere else. well, if it's that urgent that you need to quarantine an entire state from the rest of the country that's also the financial capital, how are you ready to reopen? >> yeah. i mean, there's a cognitive difficult dense here. it makes them more panicked or saying this isn't a big deal after all. i think that the public health officials have been pretty consistent on this. with regard to saying, hey, for the next 15 days originally, stay home as much as possible. this is how we break the chain of transmission. this is what social distancing

is all about, what it can do. we re-evaluate and get more stringent at that point. they pointed to south korea and china saying there's success around the world. this is not in perpetuity but let's look at those who have had success. eight to ten weeks. there's a time line there, not going to be the same time line in the united states. this idea of two weeks and we're going to pull back, the virus grows, so we put more stringent measures on, the virus comes back and we let the foot off the gas again. it doesn't make sense. that's what happened in hong kong. they were doing well -- i'm not krit siegz them because they were doing well, but as soon as they started to pull back on the mitigation numbers, the numbers doubled here. >> the 14-day measurement is not being used anywhere.

let me ask you about something else. so this no-name lieutenant governors. lieutenant governors don't get a lot of taxi in this country. dan patrick gets this big platform over on fox to say, the seniors, they're going to have to make a judgment. i'm willing to go back to work. if i die i die. i'll do it for the sake of the economy. what do you make of that being put out there? it's not being put out there by accident. >> well, look, i -- that's disappointing. there's no two ways about it. we made this tim called "the unseen enemy," and that's what this virus is. you don't see it until all of a sudden it's all around you. there are a lot of people saying to themselves, i don't get it. not a big deal. the problem is that it is here, it is circulating and we're about two week or so lag period.

things are going to change dramatically in and around the country. you don't want to be sort of getting ready to dole with this at that point. trust me. i've covered a lot of these types of pandemics. a at that point, it's too late. there's no way you could keep up. people don't like to deal with issues until it's slapping them in the face. i worry with this particular thing and what we're hearing from the lieutenant governor of texas, they're going to put themselves in a position where they're not going to have any sort of recourse in order to be able to attack. >> sanjay gupta, you are the man, you are the best of us. thank you for keeping our heads in the game. >> he's rights to call it the invisible enemy. what is all too visible is the reaction to it. this idea of opening it back up when the cases are going to spike, you that doesn't make

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be in the deepest of the problem. by region, by city, by state. so what would that look like if things were supposed to be relaxed in two weeks in california? dr. ryan mcgary is living the reality in los angeles in the e.r. doctor, welcome to prime-time. god bless you and the people working by your side taking care of these cases and i want you to know we know what you're doing and we appreciate you. >> thank you, chris. i appreciate i would. i had a shift earlier today. i went and showeredled in decon before cleaning up to come on the show. >> i appreciate it. you look like somebody in los angeles who are working in an emergency room. good looking doctors out there. if we relax restrictions, if there's a reopening of employment and those dynamics, where you are right now, what do you think it will look like in

your e.r.? >> well, i would look at it this way. you know, i've heard a lot of war an joyce recently. i use this analogy respectfully. my grandfather fought in world war ii. yet to be seen if my generation could do what they did but right now doctors and nurses are being called the front line. with what you're hearing coming out of washington, being on the front line in germany in world war 2r and approaching normandy, oh, they might be calling off the. all of you at home are indeed our air force. you are protecting us by staying at home and taking these directives from scientists and doctors seriously. if you don't stay home and this are gets worse, well, we've lost part of our war here and part of our support. i think it's manager we're all really scared about.

>> the reality in the e.r., what you're seeing in terms of how people struggle in the cases that require hospitalization and what it is like life on a ventilator and life is like for people who don't get them. what is that reality? >> we've heard a lot of terms like intubation, respiratory failure. just in plain terms, what that means is if you've got the gym i used to go to, put that at an eight as far as its incline. it's like this. then turn up the speed as fast as you can run and run for as long as you can. most of us, by two or three minutes, will be breathing 40, even 50 times a minute. the reality is your body can't breathe that fast for that long. eventually you'll become exhausted and go into cardiac arrest. that is the kinds of case that requires an emergent you into

brace. that -- intubation. that's a scary reality for the patient and as the doctor and nurses and everybody involved in the team who needs to take care of that patient, because that procedure has to be done within seconds. i want to highlight one more thing about ppe. you've heard about shields and masks and all the things we're being asked to wear. it's very challenging putting this stuff on correctly and taking it off correctly. there was a study done some years ago that in peace time when there wasn't an outbreak had a bunch of providers gown cup in a space and wear all the gear. a substance that glows in the dark was sprayed on them. then they were asked to take off all the stuff. black lights went on. doctors and nurses have the glowing stuff on them. this is tough stuff for all of us. >> i know that doctors where you

work and medical staff in los angeles and california and new york are being forced to reuse protective equipment because there's not enough. that is unacceptable and we are really risking you guys. once we start losing you guys and doing the work we're not going to have enough people to save people and it's dire. you could tell the president about your reality and what you want him to keep in mind when he's deciding what to do and when, what would you want him to know? >> i'd say look, there's a chance here and i think we're all really desperate for it, for real positive leadership. think back to fdr, eisenhower, great names in leadership in wartime. what we need on the front line and we are your front line team here and i speak for physicians and nurses who i think are in the e.r. and icus across the country that a we need

encouragement. we need protection and we need you to take this seriously. i know that is something you can do and we would really appreciate its. >> our not just our hands, you're our heart and our best chance going forward. god bless and know that we support you. the american people know who's saving their lives. we owe you a debt of gratitude for what you've done and unfortunately what you're forced to do. >> thank you. >> be safe, brother. thank you. >> thank you. >> doctors are going to be there. it's going to be bad. we have to think about them and we haved to think for them in terms of what's best for hechl as well. the patients, you've got to hear their stories. not just scaring you look how bad this is. once in a while i throw in 80% will get over it. what about those cases. the brave nurse.

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we introduced you to somebody early on called karen gohine. she's a nurse in washington. he was in the epicenter. her mother was in the elder care center where they had the outbreak. she couldn't get to her mom. she had coronavirus. she was home and doing great. then she went to the hospital. she was on a ventilator. we couldn't get her when we tried to reach her. she meant so much in terms of our overcoming this. thank god, she came out of the

hospital and got back in touch with us. i hope it means as much to you as it did to me and the team to see her face. karen, it is so good to have you back. you look great. i was so worried for you when you went in. so brave, worried about your father who was sick, worried about your brother who was sick. you couldn't see your mother. how you doing now? >> i'm doing a lot better. i'm still having a little bit of trouble catching my breath sometimes but pretty close to a hundred percent. >> and it got a little scary there. being in the hospital. >> it was scary, yeah. >> you're used to it as a nurse but what was the experience likes a patient? >> i have to correct you. >> what? >> i didn't make it to a ventilator. dli was on oxygen. >> thank god. >> when you can't even stand up at your bedside and get to the toilet at the side of the bed

without being short of breath, it was pretty scary. >> it's important for people to know that because a lot of people are still being really nonchalant about this. >> yeah. >> how's your father doing? he had it. >> he's coming along. he's pretty tired, too, but he is stable. he's looking good. yeah. we're really encouraged and really happy. >> good. >> -- that we've so far made it all out. >> good. i know he's with you. you can take care of him again. the mystery was your mom. you couldn't get information. we were trying to get them to help i to learn more. they tested your mom once, twice, what did you figure out? >> well, she was tested once and was negative. then she was tested again and it was positive, which made us really scared, but we went and visited her today. she looks really good.

she's had no symptoms since she tested positive. >> oh, look at that. >> we're hoping to get her home maybe this next week so my mom and dad can be together again and they can hold hands and keep each other company through whatever is to come next. >> oh, karen, you're just -- you're opening up our hearts here. it's beautiful to see the family come through this together. god willing by the gray, everything stays good going forward. i'd love to get your tape on something. this message, karen, that you know what? there are going to have to be sacrifices here and some of the old people may have to take it on the chin for the country so we can open the economy again and get people back to work. it soungds so cruel to me. you know how much life your parents have and what they mean to your family, what do you

think of that message? >> i think that message is wrong. i think the problem is if you let all these people get sick because we're not being careful, that's going to be really bad for the economy, too. that's going to be really bad for our health care system. it costs a lot to have a lot of people in the hospital. there is no dollar amount you can put on people's lives. you have to do everything you can to prevent this virus from spreading. the economy will return. the economy will improve over time. we've seen it time and time and again. we're a strong country. we have to pull together. care for each other. we would ghefrt through this if we don't. we can't sacrifice the lives of our wise elders for the economy. ok. i totally disagree with that idea. >> i think that -- >> we can get through this.

>> we will get through it and we will get through it because of the strength of people like you and families like you. >> thank you. >> who stay together. weak and strong. >> we've had a lot of people pulling for us, praying for us, letting us know they were thinking about us and they cared. so that's what we have to do as a country. we have to pull together the same way we did in world war ii. this is the same kind of booth. we can overcome it together but we have to work on it together. we have to care a lot about each other. much more than money. >> karen -- you make me get all soft inside. you're hurting my tv persona image right now. we need an expression for your family. you have going hard and getting through something and you went hard and you guys are so tough and you made at this time

through together. you just want to help the people around you. you're the best of us. and i'm so happy that even in this circumstance, you came into our lives. it's so beautiful to get to know you and see what you've done for yourself and your family. god bless you and the family. i'm so happy you came through the worst of it. >> thank you so much, chris. my love to all those people out there who get it. i'm praying for you. and all the nurses and doctors, i'm keeping you in my heart. you are so special. we love you all. >> and you're one of them. you're a nurse. get well, get back to work and send my love to your parents. >> ok. thank you, chris. >> all right. >> nice talking with you. >> boy, is she tough. she gets me. buff it's also allergy season. the cost of human life, how do you make a calculation about when is the right time to reduce the preparations and reduce our only defenses?

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