good evening. this was the deadliest single day of the coronavirus outbreak in this country. more than 200 new deaths reported today. and at the end of this day, president trump is continuing to push to reopen parts of the country against the advice of medical and economic experts and despite evidence, as we'll tell you about in a moment, that in yo new york, hardest hit of all so far, appears to be working. though, he kept returning, the president did, to the notion of a quick reboot in the workplace. with a rather jarring twist. he signalled, at first, in a tweet this afternoon claiming that the media is hyping the pandemic to hurt his election chances. he was then asked about it at the briefing.

>> you tweeted earlier linking the closing of the country to your election success in november. is this easter timeline based on your political interests? because -- >> no. >> you tweeted. you said that the media wants the country to remain closed to hurt your -- >> no. the media would like to see me do poorly in the election. i think -- >> lawmakers and economists both sides of the aisle have said reopening the country by easter is not a good idea. what is that plan based on? >> just so you understand, are you ready? i think there are certain people who would like it not to open so quickly. i think there are certainly people who would like it to do financially poorly because they think that would be good as far as defeating me at the polls. and and i don't know if that's so. but i do think this is it's so that there are people in your profession that would like that to happen. i think it's very clear -- i think it's very clear that there are people in your profession that write fake news. you do. she does.

there are people in your profession that write fake news. they would love to see me, for whatever reason, because we've done one hell of a job. nobody's done the job that we've done. and it's lucky that you have this group here right now for this problem. or you wouldn't even have a country left. >> the president tonight, he also said, and i am quoting now, it's hard not to be happy with the job we're doing. that i can tell you. just for perspective, i want to take you back only 48 hours ago when we came to you monday night, the number of people testing positive for coronavirus stood just about 40,000. last night, the president said he would like to have the country quote rearing to go by easter. tonight, it's topped more than 65,000. and officials here say the case load could still be several weeks away from peaking. you may recall two months and a day ago the president tweeted quote the coronavirus is very much under control in the usa.

we are in contact with everyone in all relevant countries. cdc and world health have been working very hard and very smart. two months later, more than 65,000 confirmed cases, it is clearly not under control. more than 900 people have now died. new york's governor andrew cuomo, however, did have some welcome news. he said that social distancing efforts may be working. he says they cut the growth in the number of people having to be hospitalized by more than halfme half. sunday, he said the hospitalization rate was estimated to be doubling every two days. today, he says it's down to every 4.7 days, which is still deeply troubling, as is the shortage of ventilators in new york. governor cuomo says he needs 30,000. the federal government is sending 4,000. governor says the state has about 4,000 before the crisis began and has bought another 7,000. which still leaves new york 15,000 short. as a consequence, in at least one hospital we know of, they are experimenting with using one ventilator for two patients and this is not just a new york story. louisiana, this afternoon, reporting an additional 407 confirmed infections and 19

deaths and that number rising. overseas, spain's death toll topped china's today. a top american military medical officer today said the pentagon's modeling shows the pandemic will likely keep growing over the next three weeks. in other words, right up to the president's easter goal. >> from a three-week perspective, based on the planning factors that we have, we think that we're going to continue to see this, no surprise, continue to grow. and what i would ask for everyone's help with is worry about today. because if we stop doing the right thing today because we think something's going to happen in four weeks, we will make this worse. >> well, also today, well-known republican economist mark zandy telling cnn business, if the president decide to go 180 on us and open by easter, that will create chaos and confusion. that is the prescription for depression. added quote it's a massive gamble and one without science on its side.

more on that tonight and on the economic relief bill, which the president today said he is eager to sign. senator bernie sanders is raising objections to that and he joins us shortly as well. want to start things off right now with cnn's jim acosta at the white house with late reporting. so, jim, the president keeps saying the country needs to get back to work. probably everybody agrees with that. sooner than rather than later the president says. he's not providing any medical data that would indicate it's a safe idea or discussing how the elderly and most vulnerable would still be protected with others going back to work. >> right. that's right. we got none of those detail, anderson. the president was pushing to reopen the country a lot faster than these public experts would like to see. but we saw almost immediately, dr. anthony fauci, the top doctor on the coronavirus task force, pushing back on this. saying this virus could be hitting the united states in cycles and talking about what's been happening in china. that as they have been getting the virus under control, they've been relaxing travel restrictions. and seeing the virus come back into their country via travelers

who are going to china. one thing i will say, anderson, is we did get some useful information from the treasury secretary steve mnuchin on this stimulus bill. he said if the stimulus bill is signed pretty quickly, and we believe it will, that it will inject enough money into the economy to keep it afloat for about threemonts. but it's going to take about three weeks, at least, for americans to receive those stimulus checks in the mail. anderson, as you know, covering natural disasters and so on, for americans to wait that long for federal aid, that is an excruciating period of time. as for the president, we heard him talk a great deal about things other than the coronavirus. he was going off on the press, as you saw. he was talking about his wall on the border. no details about how he would reopen the country before easter. we didn't get any details on that. i will tell you, anderson, the moment he had that he was talking about the press, i think revealed he is thinking about how this virus is affecting his re-election chances. and i talked to a trump surrogate this evening who said that's exactly what he is saying. that he is already thinking about how this outbreak, how

this pandemic might affect things in november. and in the words of this trump surrogate who i spoke with earlier this evening, this was essentially the president playing the victim. the victim in all of this. anderson. >> jim acosta. thanks very much. despite new york governor cuomo's welcomed news that social distancing may be flattening the curve. joining us right now is the mayor of new york, bill de blasio. mayor, how is new york city doing tonight in terms of medical supplies and case numbers? last time we talked, you talked in alarming ways about the shortage. >> anderson, when we last talked, we were just days away from some of our hospitals not having the basics to even be able to treat people. and, you know, i think it was important to tell that truth. and i hope it helped to wake up washington now, finally, we have gotten, especially those ventilators that we need the most. and a lot of other supplies in. but only to get us through this

week into next week. that's the way -- that's the time horizon we are dealing with right now. i can tell you i'm pretty confident about our hospitals' ability to handle this crisis this week with already now astounding 18,000 cases confirmed as of earlier today. but going into next e neweek, we going to feel more and more stress on our system. and anderson, it's not just about equipment. it's also about the people we need. the personnel. and i fear that if the military doesn't get involved quickly because they have a lot of great medical personnel and they can help personnel get moved from one part of the country to another. if they don't get involved very rapidly, we're going to have a problem up ahead, as are other parts of the country if they don't have that kind of command and control the military brings to get people, get resources where they're needed most. >> yeah because when people talk about, you know, icu beds needing more icu beds, it's not the physical bed. it's the care that goes with those beds. the nurses, the doctors, same

with the ventilators. you have to have enough people to operate the ventilators with all those ventilators. so it is -- you know, are we still seeing large numbers of medical personnel coming down with this virus? >> yeah, anderson, first of all, you are exactly right. it's actually a package. the beds the he saeasy part. it's ventilators, surgical masks and other supplies, and it's trained professional. you need a whole package to have an icu bed. we are concerned about how many people are contracting the disease. i mean, i have been honest with new yorkers. probably before this is over, half of all new yorkers, if not more, will contract this disease. thank god 80% of them will have a very mild experience. you know, even a lot of the folks we are talking about the healthcare workers, if they're younger, if they're healthy, they probably miss work for a week, ten days, and come back. but at any given point, a lot of them will be out. so that adds stress, which is why we must have some source of additional professionals soon,

coming in from other parts of the country. again, there is no -- there's no organization that's going to make that happen short of the military. but as you know, anderson, the military are essentially staying at their bases. i don't think they want to. i think they want to join the fight. but president trump hasn't given that order. >> governor cuomo said today that the projected rate of hospitalizations is slowing down. quote, the evidence he said suggests that the density control measures may be working. does that line up with what you are seeing in the city? >> yeah. it's a hopeful sign, anderson. and look, there's more social distancing than we've ever experienced, obviously, in the history of this city because the schools are closed. vast majority of workplaces that are nonessential, of course, are closed. people are only, you know, allowed to go out briefly to -- to the grocery, pharmacy, a little bit of exercise. and basically, overwhelmingly, new yorkers are staying indoors so that is a whole lot of social distancing. but the truth is we've only had a few days of seeing that improvement so i want to be careful before we assume it's working deeply. but it is certainly a good sign.

and, boy, let me tell you. i have heard from my police commissioner. i mean, our officers are out all over parks, all over streets. and what they're seeing, generally, is people have gotten the message. they're, generally, if there's a group congregating, they're told to split up. they split up quickly. people are reminded stay six feet apart. they're taking it seriously. so i think most new yorkers really get it at this point. >> president trump said he spoke to you about the number of ventilators sent to new york. he said you were quote very happy and that it's hard not to be happy with the job we're doing, end quote. do you agree? >> i would say it differently, anderson. look. i spoke to the president a couple times and i do appreciate those ventilators because for us, anderson, it is literally going to be hand to mouth. we are going to get a ventilator in. and it's going to go right to a hospital. and i think you know about ventilators. if a patient needs one, you have only minutes to get it to them. get them to the ventilator. if a hospital is even missing a few that they need, they're going to lose lives who could have been saved. so of course i'm happy when 400

came in earlier in the week and 2,000 more are coming. but i also told the president we're going to need a lot more of that. and we're going to need the personnel. and we're going to need to go through not just weeks -- i told new yorkers honestly, i think april will be worse than march and i fear that may actually will be worse than april. i don't think this is just a few weeks. i don't think we're going to be okay by easter. i think it's going to go substantially past that. just by the numbers we're seeing alone. >> yeah. mayor de blasio, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> want to bring our medical and public health team. joining us tonight, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. also, emergency room physician dr. leana wen. governor cuomo saying as you heard the mayor say hospitalization rates going down in new york somewhat. or at least not rising at the rate they were heading in the right direction. does that -- does that give you some hope? >> yeah. i think for sure, anderson. it does provide some hope.

and, you know, maybe a little bit of proof that the social distancing measures that people are talking about work. sometimes it's hard to convince people of that. i think this, you know, when you think about the numbers, the metaphor instead of thinking about a car that's sort of speeding up or slowing down. think of this more like a big ship. it's got inertia. it may be going a certain speed but it's got inertia. so you got to slowly bring that down. it just takes some time. these are early numbers. but it's a hopeful trend for sure so far. >> dr. wen, i mean, if that is, in fact, the case in new york, what does it mean going forward? how much stock should we put in these projections at this point? >> well, i hope that what we are seeing in new york actually holds up. i'm worried about new york. i'm also worried about the next state. the next hotspot, too. and because we're lacking data because of lack of testing, we really don't know how close we are to, frankly, to catastrophe in other places, too.

we do know that we are just so underprepared as a country and i'm still hearing healthcare workers from all over the country pleading because, frankly, they feel like they're being sacrificed. they feel like they just don't have the protections. >> let me ask you about that, dr. wen, because the president is saying, look, you look at a number of states and they don't really have many cases. and those states maybe could come online faster. people could go back to work in those states faster. are you saying they just haven't had enough testing to know what's there? >> we just don't know. we are flying in the dark, blind, here because we just don't -- we have not done the testing to see how many asymptomatic people are out there, who are currently transmitting the disease. how -- all these people who ar being told to go home and rest, if they just have mild symptoms, we don't know how many of them actually have covid-19. and i'm afraid that we're missing actually a lot of hotspots all over the country. and because there is a lag, there's a lag between when somebody gets coronavirus and

when they exhibit symptoms and then get really ill, we could be weeks behind. and i'm afraid that's what's been happening all along. we have been responding to what happened two to three weeks ago instead of predicting what's ahead. >> sanjay, i want to play something dr. fauci said just moments ago at the white house. >> many of you in the audience have asked of us is about would this possibly become a seasonal cyclic thing? and i have always indicated to you that i think it very well might. and the reason i say that is that what we are starting to see now in the southern hemisphere in southern africa and in the southern hemisphere countries is that we're having cases that are appearing as they go into their winter season. and if, in fact, they have a substantial outbreak, it will be inevitable that we need to be prepared that we'll get a cycle around the second time. >> i'm wondering what do you make of that? and the converse of that is does

that mean, you know, the idea which we've discussed before that as the weather warms, this may subside and then come back? that -- that there may be a natural lowering as the -- as it does get warmer, as some have suggested. >> yeah. i think that that's -- that is sort of the case that dr. fauci was making. he's talked about this before. and whenever people have said, look, you know, other viruses including the flu virus, they have this seasonal variation, is this coronavirus going to behave the same way? he's always basically said we don't know. but there is a good chance that it will. now, you're getting evidence as the weather has cooled, as he said, in the southern hemisphere, you are seeing more community spread. so it may be that one of these viruses that likes cooler weather. and there is all sorts of reasons for that. so, you know, in a way, that would be good. i mean, that really helps obviously flatten this curve that we are talking about because there will be fewer cases. but i think your point, anderson, that also means it will come back at some point is also true. hopefully, we have more time to

prepare for that. >> yeah. sanjay, stay with us. dr. wen, thank you very much. coming up, more questions about getting life saving equipment and personnel in the right places. sometimes mixed messaging coming from officials. we'll be joined by the man who ran president obama's response to the ebola outbreak. later, the tremendous impact on families. we will talk with a woman who lost her grandfather to the virus who her mom has now tested positive for it as well.

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the defense production act and other measures to secure, coordinate, and deliver lifesaving equipment and supplies when they are needed now most. that, and the mixed messages sometimes coming from the white house. back with dr. sanjay gupta and joining us is ron clain, he ran the white house ebola response during the obama administration. he is also co-host of the coronavirus podcast epidemic. what do you make of trump pushing for the country to essentially reopen by easter? >> well, look, anderson, as you noted, it wasn't the president's decision to close these places down in the fist place. so it's not going to really be his decision when they reopen. that decision's going to rest with governors and mayors who are actually moving in the opposite direction. i think the problem is that we need president trump to do his job so all of us can go do ours. before you can reopen places, you need to have testing have separate the sick from the well. you need to have hospital beds to treat the people who get sick. you need to have the gear to protect the people who are treating those people. and so i think rather than

focusing on the date, we should focus on getting the work done that needs to get done. so we can safely move in that direction. and that work is not yet done and we need more progress on that before we can talk about some of these changes to how our economy's working. >> sanjay, the president keeps saying the united states has done more testing by far than any other country. obviously, you know, he keeps comparing to south korea. the united states is far bigger in terms of population. so, you know, the numbers may be larger. but it's -- you know, when you look at it compared to -- to, you know, population levels, it's different. >> yeah. yeah. no question. >> i mean, look -- >> sorry. sorry, sanjay, go ahead. >> yeah. i mean, it's an important point. i mean, first of all, we don't really know how much testing we've done. as you know, anderson, we were following this very closely. but now there's public health labs, there's commercial labs, there's hospitals doing this. they're all supposed to report

into the cdc and we'll supposed to have that data. they're not doing that yet so we don't really know. but your point is a good one. it's all about sample size. i think korea's maybe one-sixth or so the size of the united states. so if you are testing a certain amount, the significance of those tests are going to be much more important versus if the population's larger like you said. >> and the governor of new york says the state needs at least 30,000 more ventilators. federal government's given them 4,000. should the white house have been able to send more than that by now? >> yeah, no question, anderson. i mean, i think that, you know, this is not kind of a negotiation about good to have, nice to have. as dr. wen said in the last segment, you know, if someone needs a ventilator, they need it right now. so not having enough means a life or death question. now, the president has the power, under the defense production act, to take control of the entities that can produce these ventilators. direct them to produce more. pay them for them, of course, and get them where they need to go. and for some reason, the president's been reluctant to use that power.

during the ebola response, we didn't have to use that power. we intervened, though, with the supply chain and really directed the gear, the protective gear, to where it needed to go. and i think that's a real challenge here. the president's kind of said every state is on their own, every hospital's on their own. that's not getting the stuff where it needs to go. it's resulting in kind of price gouging but more importantly it's resulting in not enough supply and the supply being in the wrong place. so this is not a time to kind of just let the system work. it's a time when we really need to get control of the system and get people the help they need, where they need it. >> sanjay, overall, you know, the president continually points out that, you know, he believes there are other, you know, some states in the midwest, elsewhere, do not have many cases reported or tested. and, therefore, you know, you are looking at new york, california, obviously louisiana, new orleans, washington, some other places. is -- is that accurate in terms of a sense that this is really

just an issue in those hotspots and not elsewhere? or is it -- there are just a lack of testing and we don't really know what lies in between those hotspots? >> so i think, anderson, that -- >> yeah, i think it's really that -- >> sorry, go ahead, sanjay, that was for you. >> yeah. i think -- >> i don't want to interrupt ron. >> sorry. it's a weird satellite so it's hard to tell. sanjay, you start. and then we'll go to ron. sanjay. >> sorry about that. >> okay. yeah. i -- i mean, look, we're seeing, you know, a picture right now that is from probably a couple weeks ago. and this is an important point, anderson. even people right now who are watching thinking, look, i'm fine. i'm good. i'm -- this is not going to be a problem. i hope that's going to be the case. but remember, people can develop symptoms for up to 14 -- you know, 14 days or so is the incubation, even longer than that as we know, anderson, from some of the people we've interviewed. so this is sort of evolving still. and what we're looking at in terms of these numbers, they really reflect things from probably a couple weeks ago. you know, michigan had 15 cases

last week. now, you know, in the -- i think 1,300. louisiana, as you mentioned, had barely any cases. and -- and now, i think 13, 1,400. so a lot of places right now thinking we've gotten past this and that's the nature of an unseen enemy i guess. but, you know, we have to be vigilant right now. and the fact that we haven't had good testing in these places makes it actuchallenging. >> ron, when you hear the president saying that the cure is worse than the disease and -- and you don't want that, what do you make of that idea? >> well, yeah, so let me go back to what sanjay said a second ago. which is i think there is two points about this geographic distribution. the first is i think it's fairly certain that the places that haven't been hit by it yet, will. so it's just a question of not if but when. and that goes back to the supply chain point, too, anderson, which is you know, right now when the president says everyone should go out and just buy these things for themselves, what's happening is that these hospitals aren't yet hard hit are ordering supplies today that

they won't need perhaps for a while. and we want those supplies today to go to new york, to go to washington state, to go to california. so that's why we need more control over the supply chain. and look. in terms of the cure being worse than the disease, the disease is very, very bad. and the best way to get our economy back to work is to beat this disease. you can't run an economy with workers getting sick. with people falling off the job. we're going to see that first in our healthcare system as healthcare workers, as doctors, nurses get this disease and capacity drops, just at the time we need for it to rise. we don't want that to spread throughout the economy. let's get testing to where it needs to get. let's get the healthcare system where it needs to be. and then we can safely start to gradually build back more of our economic capacity. but you can't have a sick workforce be a productive workforce. that's just a formula for disaster. >> ron, sanjay, thanks very much. i want to remind everybody sanjay and i will be, tomorrow, having another town hall. it's ongoing and now virtual cnn

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as we reported earlier, dr. anthony fauci says tonight we need to be ready for another cycle of the coronavirus. he now believes it could become a seasonal virus. the message from my next guest is please stay home and help fight this pandemic. jen has paid a terrible price. two family members diagnosed with coronavirus. her grandfather, korean war veteran, has died. her mother karen, fortunately, released from the emergency room. karen can't attend the funeral of her father. she has to say good-bye via an ipad, as she's under quarantine. jen joins me now. jen, i am so sorry for your loss and i'm glad your mom is out of the emergency -- out of the hospital. how are -- first of all, how is your mom doing? >> you know, my mom is making progress, thank goodness. but she's not there yet. she's on day 13 right now having a consecutive fever. she's just experienced all the symptoms that are associated with the virus except for a sore throat. so she's getting there but she's

not there yet. >> and what's it been like for your dad to be taking care of your mom while she has the virus? >> it's been really stressful on my father. you know, not only is he taking care of my mother, but he's also just monitoring himself to make sure that he doesn't begin to show symptoms as well. they have a very strict protocol in place for how they're interacting with each other. so, for instance, when my father brings food to my mother, he puts on a mask and gloves, brings it to the door, and then goes downstairs and then she'll open the door and retrieve it. all her dishes go in the dishwasher. the laundry, he is wearing gloves. he is washing everything in hot water and then disinfecting the laundry basket. we've even put a camera in her room so we can monitor her at night and make sure when she's sleeping, she is doing okay. and then of course all of us are checking in on her multiple times a day. face timing just to get eyes on her to make sure she's making a speedy recovery. >> tell me about your

grandfather. he just sounds like an incredible guy. >> he was an amazing human being. he was a loving grandfather. he was independent. and a healthy 91-year-old. he was a korean war veteran, who was proud to have served his country. he was extremely active in the veteran foreign affairs, post 54-81 in longfield, new jersey. and most importantly, he just enjoyed being with his family. his latest passion was spending time with my two children and his great grandchildren molly and cooper. >> i mean, what -- what a blessing that he was able to spend time with his great grandchildren. i mean, that's incredible. and for you to have him in your life is just extraordinary. >> it has been. i mean, i've had 36 wonderful years of him in my life. and he's seen me, you know, from a -- grow up and been through -- there through the tough times and the good times and i will always remember him and love him dearly and never forget him. >> what's your message tonight to families, you know, who are

out there who, you know, are obviously worried about this happening? or think, you know, that this may not happen to them. >> yeah. you know, my message for everybody watching tonight is that you think it can't happen to you. and i'm telling you that it can. never in a million years did i think that this virus would affect my family and i the way that it has. so if i can have folks take three things away from watching our story tonight, the first is stay home. by you staying home, you are keeping your family, your friends, and your community safe. the second is please encourage others to stay home. tell your friends. tell your family. it's not worth it. it's not worth to go out and infect one other person. and then last, but not least, you know, by staying home, just remember that you are saving someone else's life. so the next time before you walk out the door, just think about that. >> it's so -- one of the things that's so -- i mean, just adds to the sadness of so many of the families' losses is their

inability to be with their loved one in their final moments because of quarantine and because of the concerns about the virus. your mom's not going to be able to attend the funeral, is that right? >> that's right. so not only did my grandfather go into that hospital and die alone in that -- in that hospital room. my mother is not going to be able to attend his funeral, and i'm going to have to face time her from my phone so that she can say good-bye virtually to her father. same with my father. he's not going to be able to say good-bye to his father-in-law. i'm going to have to face time him separately because they're not together in the house. so they can say good-bye to him. >> jen, i -- i mean, i'm so sorry for your losses -- for your loss. and i'm glad your mom is doing better. and we wish her the best. and -- and stay strong and thank you so much for -- for spending some time and telling us about your grandfather. it is just -- what -- what a

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tonight, agreement on a $2 trillion relief bill that has been hours away for more than a day is still yet to be found. this time, because of a standoff including senator bernie sanders and republican senators tim scott, lindsey graham, ben sasse, and rick scott. the four senators want a cap on insurance. quoting lindsey graham, we have incentivized people not to go back to work. joining me now, senator bernie sanders. senator sanders, to americans who say they can't afford to have the stimulus bill delayed any further, they want you, your colleagues, to vote. send it to the president for approval. what do you say? >> i agree. i want this thing passed as soon as possible. what happened is senator graham and some other republicans, they are just terribly upset that low-income workers might receive a bit more money than they otherwise would have earned. here we are in the midst of the worst economic downturn perhaps since the great depression, tens of millions of people are worried to death about how

they're going to feed their families, pay their rent. prevent a foreclosure. and these guys are just staying up nights worrying about low-income workers getting a few bucks more. and what i have said is if they are prepared to drop their hold, which i believe they are, by the way, i am certainly not going to persist in what i want. but i just wanted to make it clear i will senator sit banot should anybody sit back, and allow these guys to attack the needs of low-income workers, especially at a time when in this particular bill, there are $500 billion available to the president for all kinds of corporate welfare. they don't object to that. they worry about the working people getting a few bucks more. >> when you hear lindsey graham saying incentivizing people not to work, i mean, i know a bunch of people are out of work and the only thing they want is to get back to work right now. >> that's right. that's exactly right. i mean, it's -- it is amazing to me that you have all kinds of people here who voted including senator graham and the others. they voted for a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the 1%

and large corporations. and now, they are really worried that a low-income worker might receive extended unemployment, plus $600 a week. oh my goodness, how terrible is that? you know, it's hard for me to understand that kind of value system and that kind of mentality. what they're going to do, as i understand it, they're going to bring that thick up as an amendment. they have to get 60 votes. they're not going to get 60 votes. that'll be the end of it and hopefully we can vote for this thing tonight. >> you think -- do you think it'll get voted on tonight? >> that's what i am hearing although who knows. but i am hearing that, yeah. >> the president yesterday talked about seeing light at the end of the tunnel. wanted packed churches for easter. do you see a light at the end of the tunnel? i mean, i think back to, you know, think it was november of 1967, general wes moreland talking about light at the end of tunnels and, you know, the war dragged on for many years after that. >> anderson, this is even worse than that.

you have, all over the world, countries, obviously including our own, new york, washington state, the whole country, dealing with a pandemic. with a huge increase in the number of people who are infected, people who are dying. and what all of the experts tell us is that we need to distance ourselves from each other. in many states now, people are being asked to stay home. congregations should not be any larger than two or maybe ten people. and keep your distance. and you are talking about a president who is speaking in opposition to all of the major medical advisers in our own government and in this country. oh, yeah, come to church on easter. sit next to somebody else. why don't you spread the virus so that we'll never get rid of this pandemic? you know, you have got a president who's arrogant, who is ignorant, who is self-centered. and to me, i mean, this is as dangerous as he gets in suggesting people to defy what

the healthcare experts are telling us. dangerous moment for him. >> even if, you know, by some, you know, miraculous event, the numbers go down greatly before easter, there will still be a need, for some time, for distancing precautions and other precautions. particularly, to protect the -- you know, the older -- an older generation. the idea to encourage people to pack into a church or any facility, it just, even in the best-case scenario, that's just not feasible. >> i mean, you know, it -- it -- again, it is in defiance and dangerously in defiance of what the medical experts are telling us. this is a moment when you got to listen to the epidemiologist. you got to listen to the infectious disease experts. we got to do what they say. and what they are saying is, right now, we have got to do everything possible to prevent the spread of the epidemic. that means social distancing.

and social distancing is not being packed into a church or any other room where you can infect somebody else so that we never get an end to this epidemic. so i think his -- what he is saying is totally absurd and extremely dangerous. and it is an embarrassment that the american people have to be told to completely ignore what the president of the united states is saying. >> vice president biden was asked about whether there should be another debate in -- in april. he essentially said, you know, that the time is done for that. i'm wondering what you made of his response. >> well, i -- i -- you know, i don't agree with him. i mean, i think that what is happening right now, obviously, it's a very strange moment for any campaign. and that is state after state, i think pennsylvania, yesterday or today, is delaying their elections. kentucky has delayed their elections. new york state considering delaying their elections. so we got a strange moment. but i think, you know, one of the things that i think the

people want is, especially in this unprecedented crisis in modern american history, is to hear the ideas of candidates as to how we got into this disaster. why do we have such a dysfunctional healthcare system? why do we have an economy in which half of our people living paycheck to paycheck scared to death tonight? that if their paycheck ceases, how they're going to feed their kids and take -- and pay the rent. so i think we need a good debate as to where we go, not only just now but, in the future. and, to my mind, if there is anything that this unprecedented moment in american history should teach us, we got to rethink the basic structures of american society. and that is guarantee healthcare to all as a human right. create an economy that provides for all people, not just the wealthy. >> senator bernie sanders. i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> up next, remembering the coronavirus victims.

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hopefully we get the right questions. >> all right. chris, see you in just a few minutes, about five minutes from now. coming up next, honoring the lives lost. families changed forever. we remember, ahead.

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times" reporter who tested positive a few weeks ago. retired but still worked at "the times" a few days a month on the international desk. during the 1980s and '90s he covered the new york metro area and was described as a star reporter. they say he was always willing to help and give guidance. alan finder was 72 years old. dr. charles rodney smith had just lost his wife a few months ago. they were married no 57 years and for the last four years lived happily together at a nursing home in louisiana. charles didn't last long after her death. he contracted the virus and died last week. he was a psychiatrist in new orleans for more than 50 years. he helped a lot of people in that time. he served on faculties of both tulane and lsu. loved spending time with his family and had a special love for the opera. dr. charles rodney smith was 92. floyd cardoz was an acclaimed chef who ran restaurants all over the world, including tab

low, one of the first indian fine dining establishments in new york city. floyd cardoz was born in mumbai and went to culinary school in switzerland before coming to new york. his fellow chefs call him an innovator and a constant source of knowledge and inspiration. he leaves behind a wife and two sons. floyd cardoz was 59 years old. our thoughts are with all the families suffering tonight. our coronavirus coverage continues. time to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." i'll see you tomorrow. chris? >> all right. anderson, i say it every night because it matters every night, thank you for telling the stories of those who are gone because of this virus. nobody does it better than you. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." today has been the deadliest day so far of this new american war. question, why are cases growing so fast here? faster than in other countries. are we any closer to better weapons than just washing our hands and staying away from one another? where are we in this war in terms of timing, planning, and potential? those are big questions and we