>> hey everybody, i am chris cuomo and welcome to another

hour of primetime. i hope you're okay and i hope you are doing the right thing. listen, we just got another smack in the face. the united states now has the most coronavirus cases in the world surpassing china, if you believe china's reporting. regardless. more than 82,000 are sick here and nearly 1,200 are dead. aft -- no matter what you hear, even from the president we are nowhere near through this and if we don't start acting with more resolve in more places we are in for a long, painful war and our health care system cannot sustain the strain that is bearing down on them, but not for long. let's check back in with one of the doctors on the frontline treating the first coronavirus

patient in the seattle area. how are you doing? >> good, chris. the idea that we could be over this quickly, every daya point that we are seeing says that could be true. >> the rate of escalation in the northwest is slower than that of new york city right now and that is because we started social distancing earlier. we have been doing the things to limit transmission. 6 to 7 days and here in new york it is 2 to 3 days and that is minimizing the opportunities to pass this from one person to the next. >> the panic inducing aspect of

the statement is rate of acceleration. just slowing down the speed of which it is moving and doubling cases every week. where do we see any of this turning to from like 100 to 90? when might that happen? >> so, that is exactly what people are talking about when they are talking about flattening the curve. the transmission rate goes to less than one person. you get down to less than one person that you infect than we can break this epidemic and that can happen through effective social distancing and like what they did in south korea by testing people broadly, more broadly than we are doing right now in the u.s. and isolating the people that have the germ

strictly so that they cannot pass it to others. >> we obviously are not doing the right thing. the metric is how many people i infect when i have it and it should be none because i am doing the right thing so that nobody else gets infected. clearly we don't have the behavior and the culture where we need to be. another big problem. ppe, personal protective equipment. health care workers have to have it or they are going to get the virus and fall off the frontlines. what are you doing to make sure your brothers and sisters on the frontline have the ppe to

sustain them for the months and weeks to come? we can't do that. they are on the frontlines of the war against the virus. we could have a challenge to say we need 100 million masks. you made that available to everybody in the u.s. and told everybody in the u.s. about it and we got overwhelmed by the number of amazing americans wanting to help. >> americans. >> americans. every single american out there wanted to help us and then we started to say my gosh, we are answering so many e-mails that it is taking away from our ability to care for patients. we have fantastic and amazing corporate partners as well that

said we want to flip our production from the factory to building masks instead of building furniture. nordstrom tailors, let's have them sew masks. i am happy to say, because i think that you started this. we called the american hospital association saying that we can work locally but we want you to help us make it be a national thing. this is taking on the 100 million mask challenge. two things. why just masks and not the gowns

and the shoes and the gloves and the visors that you guys need. the challenge that we had initially was masks but absolutely it will be masks, gloves, ventilators, tubing to make sure what is normal at a predictable level and what we are building for is more of a tsunami. you need very different levels of ppe for that. at the same time the production from overseas are disrupted. this is a great opportunity to manage some of these things on shore. for all of the people unemployed right now we can change what

they used to make into what we make today and it is a great opportunity for everybody. >> again, doctor, you are not a politician. but i will remind the audience of this. the president has powers to make factories make things, all right. it was designed during world war ii. he said that he was thinking about using it. he hasn't used it. if he did use it, it would be a pro business move. this is what we know right now. you are the best of us, literally healing people, figuring out how to extend it. amy compton-phillips who are doing the same thing across the country. doctor, you deserve the thanks.

>> thank you so much. i so appreciate it. thank you for everything that you have done for the effort, chris. >> be well. stay healthy. stay in touch. >> thank you. >> all right. what is more proof that we have a long way to go here? the virus is moving. it is easy to blame it on new york. new yorkers. new jersey. california. it is them on the coast. it is moving around. okay. louisiana. now the state is in line behind other states. now they have to wait longer and are in a bigger fight to get what they need. all answers ahead. adp simplifies hr,

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>> new york, washington, new jersey, it is moving around the country. that is what is going to happen. emerging in louisiana, cases are spiking and a frighteningly familiar scenario building on the obvious. no place is immune. nursing homes hit the hardest. why? so many vulnerable people there. six of them, including this one where 11 people died as of tuesday. they are being monitored by the state as a coronavirus cluster site. critical supplies because now louisiana is behind other states like new york and other big states that need so much. supplies are dwindling. no states have peaked yet. it is not like production is going to free up any time soon. the assistant secretary for the public state health office.

it is a pleasure to have you on the show. this is our reality. first, the idea of the nursing homes. it's big, here. this retirement community in new orleans, we talked to a brother and sister whose mom is in there. they are trying to find out information about her. 268 people. what do you know about the nursing homes and how you get those under control? >> thanks for having me on. it is a really challenge. the population nursing homes serve, those that are holder than 65, chronic conditions and all of us are likely to be in those categories. when you have a group of those vulnerable individuals living close together it sets up a bad situation when the coronavirus shows up in that community. as you noted it was one of the

first clusters that we identified here in new orleans. >> so, are you guys finding that with your population and your governor getting to watch the governor here in new york and others. do you think your population will slap together with it more quickly when you pop on restrictions and what type of restrictions do you expect? >> yeah. we hope so. the governor and officials across the nation has been like other disasters that we face here in louisiana, this is one we face as louisiana to change the trajectory. we are on the same trend at italy, spain and south korea was before south korea took the actions they needed to in order to flatten the curve and to reduce the spread of the virus. so, early on the governor took

proactive measures to limit the crowd sizes and to talk about the measures that we all should be doing. but last sunday he put in for a stay at home order encouraging and directing louisianians across the state, not just in new orleans, but to stay home not just for themselves and their immediate family but for their neighbors. one thing louisianians do well is taking care of family in a time of crisis. >> people there know how to hunker down. they know how to do difficult things for an extended period. but this is different, like you said. we had tony fauci on the other night, dr. anthony fauci. he had concerns about how fast this thing was moving. let me play them for you. >> i have spoken to the

political officials in new orleans and in the state of louisiana. they are now shutting things down in a vigorous way. it is likely that should have been done sooner. i am not blaming been on that but you are caught unaware because of the nature of the outbreak. >> what is it about this? you see the modeling. you see it moving. and because it is invisible and you don't have people walking around with the cases that it is just hard to muster. >> most of us across the country were not taking the types of stipes that we are now because it was focused on those traveling from other countries. right up to the point where we had the first case we were looking at people coming back from china, iran, italy, south korea, coronavirus was spreading

through our community, through new orleans and across many communities in the country. if we had more testing earlier and better information all of us would be testing earlier and trying to isolate. >> you have to get the testing ready for the next wave and you have to get it up as quickly as you can. you have neighboring states that don't have the precautionary measures that you have right now. that is an issue. it is going to be hard to source equipment. what are you finding on the last point? >> yeah. it is very tough. the governor made the point earlier, we are used to those. you can look to the neighbors. usually a hurricane does not hit the entire gulf coast or the country. the federal government and neighboring dates are able to muster and give us supplies. right now we may be or are the second or third highest rate per capita but the virus has spread

all over the country. the ppe that you heard of in washington and certainly i know your brother has been talking about in new york, we need that desperately down here in new york too. if the neighbors don't need it as desperately as us today they will a week from now. we are competing with other states and other hospitals in the state, you know, trying to get to the first and the next supplier ahead of the next one. it is a real challenge that would benefit from more national organization. >> it is raising the specter. people all over the world are dealing with this to different degrees. we have factories all over the world now. we are here to help. you are a beautiful people and culture in louisiana. you need our help now.

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>> all right. we are just hours away from the house taking up the senate's historic $2 trillion relief package. unemployment claims spiked to 3.28 million last week. put it in context, the most in history. a massive surge from the nearly 300,000 jobless claims filed the weekless. a 10x jump. not good. just how bad, just how long on the economic side. let's get perspective from austin golsby. great to see you. >> great to see you again. >> how long? how do you even come close to answering that question when you

don't know how long the economy stays like this other than the suggestion that it opens up in two weeks hike the president says. >> the number one rule of virus economics, the best thing of the economics is to slow the spread of the virus. until we get a slow down of new cases, we can do things like the relief bill which we need to do but this is just temporary, you know. we are burning money to keep warm because the heat is out but we have to slow the spread of the virus because we get out of lock down or we have to do testing or we have to have other means. but the virus is the boss. we have to recognize that. >> i want to go into the bill. but first, i want to get your take on this. what is the good argument for the president not pulling the string on his manufacturing power? and, you know, you know it all of course. the wartime power of him saying

to the factories as they did in world war ii you are going to be making x instead of waiting on them to get it done on a voluntary basis. >> i am confused. i don't know if there is a good argument other than they don't want the government to tell the private sector what to do. but i think that it is a mistake. these are specialized things. they are not complicated. but they are specialized. and there is not normally the production of this kind of volume. i think that orienting whoever it is, automakers or other manufactures at low level of productions right now, i think that it makes sense. in the pandemic plans they have not really been following. it does more than this. you can get the army involved in the logistics. they can say this factory can make this but they don't have

latex. well, we can get latex from another spot and have them ship it. hopefully we will over the next couple of weeks move to a point where we can make ventilators and respirators that we need. you have to control the virus if you want the economy to come back. >> the military is not even testing yet. they volunteered to do it. we have a congress member in california waiting five days for her test results. crazy. the stimulus bill comes. benched. put up the graphic that we have. you have two different buckets of need here. you have stimulus, the top line of about $1,200 depending on what you make, individual, married, head of household. plus $500 for a kid and then the un. the unemployment benefits.

a lot of buckets you might dip in here or not. how hard is it to figure out how they get what they get or is it all done for them? >> hopefully almost all of it is done for them. the $1,200 per adult and $500 per kid is supposed to be sent to you directly if the irs has your bank account they are supposed to put the money in your bank account. if not they are supposed to send you a letter. the treasure secretary saying it would be out in three weeks. if you are unemployed it will be a bigger amount of money, but there you do have to file for unemployment insurance. you saw by far the biggest increase in unemployment claims of all-time. by a factor of five, the biggest of all-time. it will be a little bit of pressure on the front end

applied to that. >> right. that's complicated. that is ais going to be complic. most states try to do unemployment 35 to 40% of your weekly check. the average check is around $1,000 or that is their calculation of what it is. and this would add another 13 weeks of it. you are incentivizing people not to work and they are going to make more money with the plan than if they were working. under the obvious argument of you can't quit and get it, what do you think of the political push back? >> i kind of object to calling the entire bill stimulus. i don't think it is stimulus. i think that it is relief and rescue. by the distinction we are going to give you a check because we want you to spend it and whoever you spend it on you want them to

spend it. this is where you don't want anyone to starve and we don't want permanent damage from what we hope to be a temporary shock. i think that there is always a tradeoff between tailoring who gets the money and getting the money out as fast as possible. i can see why the critics don't like it goes through the unemployment insurance system and some workers that a few senators objected saying they could get more than 100% of their wages. but the fact is that we are trying to get the money to the people in need and trying to get it out the door quickly. the thing is that if we can't get control of the virus, the money is going to run out. it does not matter how big it is. we will be back and needing more money because people will be back on the edge. so, there is good news and bad news. self employed people will be

picking up unemployment insurance. we have a lot of independent contracto contractors. they can pick up and file for unemployme unemployment. that is good. utilities and cable can still come after you if you don't pay your bill but there is student loan forgiveness on the federal loan and other types of programs businesses can apply for. is that as good as you could have done or should utility have been thrown in? >> they tried to solve the problem of figuring out which bill would be paid for by just giving you money. probably the right approach. i think that where the conflict may come about in the future is that we have $500 billion of rescue money go to big corporations, a little over $250 billion of additional corporate

tax cuts. the jury is still out who will get the money and how it will be governed. there could be people coming back saying why did we spend $500 billion to save the airline industry or a specific industry. they won't invoke the defense production act. they are arguing over $1 billion for ventilators. but right now they are just trying to get the money out and let you pay whichever bills that you have. >> you know this. for you at home, businesses can file for bankruptcy protection. workers don't get the benefit. you don't get to reorganize and come out of. it is different for workers than for businesses. that is why i have been focusing on businesses with austin. i can't work. i lost my child care.

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>> americans, we come together. there is comfort in the collective. but not now. how do we keep faith in these circumstances? new york archbishop cardinal timothy dolan with his answer. cardinal, thank you so much for taking time to join us. i know how busy your days are with all of the need in the city right now. >> chris, i appreciate being asked. >> i miss you. i hope that i get to see you soon and can give you a big hug and thanks in appreciation as a

catholic for what you have been doing with the community, the religious and non-religious. here is the trick for you, i heard you say so many times people need to come together whether it is asking catholics to come to mass, observe one of our holiest seasons of lent going in to easter. but how do you bring people together when they are literally forced to stay apart? >> sure. chris, you know physical togetherness is very important, a congregation of mass, neighbors and friends in. that physical connection is very important. it is not the only kind of connection though. there can be a soldarity and a unionity i unionity in focus, hard work, prayer and we can come together in many ways besides the tact e

tactile. i think this is teaching us. i heard people say, literally, while they are clustered in the room they feel closer to their neighbors and families than they did in a long time. if a sense of presence and a belief in someone's company was dependant upon the physical where would our faith be in god because god's presence is not physical to us but it is as real as ever. you ever see anybody more in love than a wife at home with her kids whose husband is fighting in iraq or afghanistan? they are more in love and they feel closer together than ever. this is the time that it is dawning on us, chris, that togetherness, connection, soldarity, unity while we bask in the physical part of it does not depend on that.

>> absence can make the heart grow fonder. my wife likes when i am on the road for work. we will discuss that another time. people are starting to get a feel of the reality, they hear easter services will not be there. they are starting to hear what is happeninga the hospitals. they hear they are bringing in refrigerated trucks because people can't even say good-bye to the departed with any dignity or religious ceremony. you have been so important to so many families including my own helping us deal with death. the delay. the incompleteness. the lack of closure. what does it mean for people? >> it will mean a lot. you used a good word there when you spoke about reality. i am getting calls from all over the world. they say what is it like in new york. i hear it is the epicenter.

realism. i don't sense panic. i don't sense despair. i do sense a very vivid sentiment of realism. they know what is going on. they know it is probably going to get much more pressured before it gets better. they are realistically assessing what is going on. one of the things that we have here, chris, thinking back to sandy. we can think back to 9/11, okay. our elders can think back to the second world war, to the depression. for sandy and 9/11 and us new yorkers those were awful and had consequences that are still with us in some ways but they were over and done with and we could begin to rebuild. but not with this invisible enemy. we don't know where it will attack and how many more will be attacked and when it will attack

again. that adds to a sense of apprehension. that adds to the dug in realism that i sense all around us. >> how do you reconcile the season of rebirth and renewal that will be coming at the same time that we will really be mired and maybe the deadliest aspect of this if i am lucky for our state and our region. >> it could be. i know you are referring to two weeks from now. i think that it is a gift. because it will allow us all to take a deeper, spiritual interpretation of this. what is the passover about? it is about deliverance of death, no future in egypt, slavery, liberation, new life. promise. hope in israel. what is holy week about?

it is about good friday afternoon when the earth went black as the sun was hid as the earth shuttered with tremors of sadness with the death of the savior and then passing over to new life and hope and resurrection on easter sunday. this is what we need now. this is what we need. we are being very realistic as we commented on about three minutes ago in the difficulties that we got. in the apprehension that we got. in the tough work that we have got ahead. we are also realistic to know that there is a deep stamina in the human heart and a deep connection among all of us and a deep sense of devine providence and protection that i think will be particularly vivid and dramatic during passover and holy week this year. >> quickly before our time runs out here. your message to people that say i love my community, but i have to take care of my own.

i am going to buy up all of that toilet paper, as much food as i can. i am scared. what do you say? >> this is a call for selflessness and generosity and what better example do we have than our extraordinary health care workers doing what they do to protect us. we got the virus through other people. healing and help will come from our outreach to other people. this is a call of course to be very practical and realistic in protecting ourselves and our family and it is a summons to take care of the wider community. darn it, new york and the united states are doing that, thank god. >> thank god so far we are showing that we can be together as ever as one and that is the way through. cardinal, thank you for reminding us during this very holy time of the year. >> chris, how's your mom? >> my mom is doing well. she is with my sister.

she is doing well. she always gets so excited to hear that you thought of her. of course you are in her prayers. >> give her my love and tell her i want that lasagna at easter. >> you will be first up with a plate for sure. cardinal timothy dolan, be well and thank you for the spiritual well-being. >> you are welcome, chris. god bless you all. >> look, at the end of the day everybody is saying it right now. we are all in this together. we just to act that way. some are going above and beyond. some need to be called out. americans, americants next.

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