tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN April 1, 2020 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
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he said at one point nobody's ever seen anything like this where large groups of people just by being in the presence of someone have it. that's not true, erin. that's the can definition of an epidemic, where you have a viral outbreak spreading from person to person. as we've reported throughout the day and reported a couple of hours ago. the cdc was saying this back in january. one of the top experts at the cdc was warning and telling reporters this during a teleconference call that basically that the u.s. needed to prepare for a pandemic. the warning's coming from inside the administration. from top health officials were simply ignored by the president and other officials close to him who adviced him on this and who have been advising him on this. i talked to a trump advisor who's been working on the messaging about all this. this advisor sid to me the
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president took a gamble. he gambled that this virus would dissipate. the president's talked about this from time to time, when april comes around the virus will go away. he gambled and he was wrong. in this instance where the president says we just have to pass it along to our viewers. when he says that nobody saw this coming, that one person couldn't spread it. that's not the case. that's how a pandemic works. they were warned about this going back to january. >> there are some people joining a choir director for a choir practice doing exactly what at the time the cdc was saying. they were tweeting at the end of february noted community spread. do what you would do, stay home if you're sick, people were not getting the message that clearly needed to get out of there. daniel dale tell us what stood out to you as a fact checker.
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>> there was another false claim. trump was talking and he said nobody could have known read have this situation. there were years warnings not only about the general risk of u.s. in a pandemic but about the need for tens of thousands of ventilators. as we've written, in 2015 there was a study written by cdc officials among to the that said that 60,000 ventilators would be needed. the idea -- this is not true. trump also said -- he was asked about why not issue a national at home ofrds. he said some states don't have thousand cases. some states don't even have hundreds. that is true at the moment in cases of confirmed cases. every state has at least 100.
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so trump continues to suggest that some places are free of this problem or have an only minimal problem when the reality is that they all have the problem and the probe is being understated in the number of confirmed tests because there aren't very many tests conducted. gee don't know what we don't know. new york also started without a very few cases. >> that's right. >> to this point on the very vens which daniel raises, there were years of people probably sounding warnings and people in the position to do something about it, not thinking it was a priority. now here we are and the president says that the strategic national stockpile is nearly depleted. that's what he's said. we have a source saying that the stockpile is shipping the last shipments in the inventory. that's the bulk of the protective gear is apparently going to be gob.
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how concerned does that make you at this point, given what you know about what's coming on line or currently being made? >> well, there's lots of sort of examples to look at. you know, certainly throughout history and currently at other places around the world. we -- as daniel just mentioned and i think rip, you and i have talked about this as well. we've known for some time how many ventilator were needed in a mild, moderate or severe pandemic situation. in january, february, it was pretty clear. you know, even from the cdc, i interviewed the head of the cdc who said this will take a food hold in this country. we knew, you know, the fatality rate. we knew that people were getting really sick. the fact that we are now deploying the last of the stockpile, which is, i think -- i've heard different numbers on that, but 12, 13,000
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ventilators. it's not going to be enough. it depends a little bit on whether this skurve flattened, because as you know, that means we will still be a lot of ventilators. we may not need them all at once or we may be able to spread it out a little bit. but i think there will be a short fall, which is tragic. from a practical standpoint, a short fall of ventilators means this. it means that at some point somebody's going to need one and not be able to get one. i hate describing it that way but it happened in italy. we saw that. it's happening in other countries around the world. can't believe that it could happen here in the united states. >> that's the possibility, right, as the days trickle by. new york is saying their icus are 85% full. you're going to start having answers to this question. to this point, john king, you
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have the governor of florida, a big trump supporter, drone santa is saying if the president tells me to do this i'll listen long and hard. now listening to this stay at home order, which would mean like in any other state they're going to close a lot of businesses but not ending religious services. it's incredible that he won't tell him to do it. it's equally incredible that ron desantis wouldn't do it. >> we are a republic with 50 states. the federal government is only supposed to do certain things in most cases. should the president issue a national stay at home order? that's above my pay grade. but when he extended the guideline for 30 days, possible he would stebld it into may. stood before the charts and said
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we may wipe a city the size of green bay off the map. it gets worth. does he have the obligation to look in the eyes, don't be relucta reluctant. that's the words the republican governors want. maybe it runs against your culture. these are not normal times. we need to save lives, do it and i will back you up. that's what the republican governors are looking for. president trump seems to be reluctant to do it. there's another step. he would open it then. he would open it. just like he -- >> right. >> sheds blame. he said this is not my fault. the shelf was empty. the shelf was empty is what he said on fox news. the obama administration says that's not true.
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they went through table top discussions with the new president, accept it for a minute, the shelf was empty. he has been president for 38 months. >> right. >> it's his obligation to fill the shelf. >> all right. that's a good analogy to make the point. when you're the person in charge, the buck stops with you. after a certain period of time, it's impossible to claim otherwise. jim acosta, having been in the rooms with him, that shift? we see it. i've be wondering perhaps if it's the room is much emptier than usual that he's sort of able to connect. he's often so pejorative to you. he's going back and forth with you, taking questions. has there an a change with the relationship in that room and have you seen changes in the terms of the way he interacts
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with his scientists. >> the truth is he has accepted, i think, that this is now a very deadly pandemic and a huge perhaps overwhelming problem for the united states. we're going to have to wait and see how it's happened over the next couple of months. in terms of how he's dealing with the president -- nobody feels sorry for us but i noted yesterday in the briefing room when they were talking about the 100,000 texas, 200,000 people who may die, the president wasn't set up as he usually is. my accepts of it is that is because i think he's been scared straight by all of this, erin. does that mean that all the other pieces of donald trump's political and permanent psyche get washed by the wayside? no. of course not. look at what happened today, instead of starting out with dr.
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fauchi and dr. dierks bentley, we got a little bit of a bog and pony show. one of the things i will tell you just to touch on what john king was referring to in terms of the idea of the national stay at home order. the president has been dragged sort of kicking and screaming every step of the way. he had to be pushed. he had to be dragged almost kicking and screaming to increase it to 30 days. the surgeon gem was on the air earlier today saying people should intercept it as a new national stay at home order. well, it is not the same as a national stay at home order. i think the administration still doesn't have a good answer to that. >> sanjay, you had a point? >> yeah. when you look at the models, the
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00 to 200,000 who sadly may die from this, it is predicated by the end of this week. this is wednesday. the next two days, every state in the country does have a stay at home order. that model falls apart if that doesn't happen by friday. we're talking about how you know, these numbers we're trying to suppress them. hopefully they don't grow but it's predicated on something that hasn't even happened yet. i think it's important at this poip that john and jim both brought up. >> thank you all very much. as you talk about stay at home orders. it is groups. i know people who went to a dinner party and 40 got sick. a choir rehearsal where it has turned deadly. 45 people, possibly extremely ill with coronavirus. two members now dead.
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tonight, a sobering reminder of how contagious this virus is. two members of a choir grew up in washington state have died and nearly 50 could be infected with coronavirus after the choir held a rehearsal last month. the choir's director has tested positive along with his wife lorain. allen i appreciate your time. this rehearsal was march 10th, before rehearsal you told anybody with symptoms to stay home. the members say nobody was causing, nobody was sneezing at the rehearsal. how soon after that did you realize ha something was wrong? >> we had reverse r hersle on the tuesday evening. for some people it was friday evening that they started to come down with symptoms. i didn't hear it until saturday. i permanently came down with symptoms on saturday.
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i heard about 20 of our members that day -- that next that were starting to come down with major symptoms of coronavirus. 45 of the members have been diagnosed or have had very similar symptoms. you know, obviously, i know you and your wife are lucky. you're still on the recovery path but you didn't have to go to the hospital. you know, but as i said, you know, people of course died. it -- it's impossible to imagine. i mean, have you talked to others who did experience more severe cases and symptoms? >> most of our communications have been through e-mail but yes, i have certainly heard. i know of one choir member whose husband had a fever for nine days straight and didn't seem to be able to recover. we hope that that member is finally recovering. i know one member who was just
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able to come home from the hospital yesterday. we hope that that member is improving as well. but we also know some people who improved and then got worse and that's been a concern. >> right. and i know we have heard about that people will get better and suddenly take a turn for the worse. in your head as you and your wife have talked about this, how have you gotten your head around the fact that you went to rehearsal and so many people have gotten sick and two people that you saw all the time that you would practice with have actually died? >> it's hard to grasp. it's hard to know how to deal with it. one of the ways i've dealt with it is by being together and see -- singing together some songs we were going to sing in this particular cop sert are about coming together and living through painful times and being
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strong and we can't do any of that. we can communicate via e-mail and via phone and skype or zoom, but we can't reach out to each other as we usually would. we are a community and we haven't been able to be that community in the same way, that makes the grieving process much more of a private and alone thing. >> you put a statement out addressing questions about some people now say why could you have gone ahead and had this rehearsal. you made it clear. there were no cases in your coup. schools were open. businesses were open. the cdc didn't issue guidelines of gathering of 50 people or more until five days later. you were doing what millions, 10s of millions, hundreds of millions of americans where are told to do. are you frustrated that the government didn't give americans an earlier warning that this
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horrible tragedy could have been averted? >> there is frustration, absolutely. i want to say that i feel that our local public health department has been very strong, very much an ally and support for us. i appreciate the people who have not only done their jobs with amazing diligence but also reached out with caring and support to our community. i wouldn't have liked to have -- i would have liked to have seep testing, for example. many of our members, 45 of our members have been sick. many of us haven't been tested. we were told not to because of the scarcity of tests. that's a problem, of course. >> right. obviously had you known you wouldn't have done this and two people would have been alive today who are not. and adam, before we go, i know you're on the road to recovery. your wife i know is a little behind you. you and i were speaking before. she is also getting better? >> that's right, yes. and i wanted to add one other
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thing about you were saying many, many people were living their lives as we were. i've heard from choirs not only around washington but around the country who have said we were rehearsal that very night as well. choirs and ok tras and wind bands, all sorts of music ensembles. we were all trying to live our lives as we understood it, being safe but still doing what we needed to do to live. so it's -- i would not have wished this on any other organization, but it's frustrating that it happened to us. and i want people to pay attention to those warning signals and that's our message is for people to pay attention. >> and i hope they will. thank you so very much. we are glad that you and your wife are doing better. thank you, adam. >> thank you very much. >> up front, it is weighing
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tonight, at capacity. one major hospital in michigan warning that it issous of icu beds. currently michigan has the third highest case total lagging behind only new york and detroit. detroit accounts for about a quarter of the state total. >> it's a bit eerie walking through the e.r. now because everybody's got all this crazy protective gear. you can't tell who's under there. it's something i've never done before in my job. >> with more than 9300 cases michigan is now third in. trailing only new york and new jersey. dr. bright and his team in detroit have cared for more than 650 of those patients.
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>> i think the big shock is how rapidly some of these patients are detheatering. like their breathing and oxygen needs get pretty intense and pretty critical and we have to intervene. >> for michelle johnson, the dramatic jump in cases has been a sobering reality. >> i thought how much of this is the hype and this and that and it's when you start seeing it come in and how real and how sick people can get with this. we're seeing young people as well get very ill. >> for a city that's been emerging from an economic criss that's been decades in the making, detroit is a profound stempniakward. >> it's a perfect storm. poor access to care, poor financial situation, just come,
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poor transportation and poor health and that's the perfect recipe for what we're seeing in wayne county right now. >> business as usual grinding to a halt for the motor city. plans for the auto show scrapped to make way for this makeshift hospital capable of holding a thousand people. the state received 400 ventilate ors. officials say they would need thousands more but bright warned there's only certain amount they can do. >> there's no magic cure for this. we have to keep them alive while their immune system gets through with it. i'm tired of being afraid and i'm tired of worrying about the next germ that i get is going to be coronavirus and i'm really trying to maintain a positive
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attitude where all the buses are on the front line. >> and we could focus on numbers. i wane to tell you there was a lot of health care workers who say when they get home, they're worried. they're worried about spreading it to his family. he takes all his clothes off and goes right in and takes a shower before greeting his wife and infa infant. he told me a roth of folks are fighting because that's all they know how to do here in detroit. >> thank you very much. now the race for a cure obviously going around the world. one doctor using anti-bodies is dr. crow. dr. jonathan reiner is also with me. he's a cardiology and cardiologist for dick cheney. let me start with your treatment, this anti-body treatment. explain how this works and what
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you have seep so far to the extent any -- you know. >> well, antibodies are part of your body's natural immune system and they're the way that you fight infections and prevent becoming infected again. we've used anti-bodies for years. the old game goblin treatment was a transfer of antibodies from one to another. now instead of transferring whole blood we are using the blood cells of survivors to find individual cells and get the genes out of those cells to make an individual molecule to use as a drug to give to other people to prevent or treat infection. >> when we hear about studies of serum. you're talking about this. i guess in concept they're similar because they're dealing with antibodies. but the technology is different,
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is it safe to say, and one might be more effective than the other? >> in the serum treatment you're taking the serum from people and you're moving that whole serum over that contained lots of different antibodies not all of which are for coronavirus. we're looking for a single or maybe two to use them specifically for coronavirus and we can make these in a manufacturing scenario. we don't need additional people. it's a renewable resource we can do over and over. >> you don't need more donations. >> yeah. >> how quickly is it ready to go? >> we have some that look promising. we're sorting through the one that will work west. we'll be transferring them to our manufacturing. clinical trials are aiming for this summer. >> how transform national do you think something like this would be, whether it's serum or other
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ideas that are out there. >> we're searching for they are putdics. there's really a two-pronged attack to beat this pandemic. one is to race to create a vaccine, to predent vent people from acquiring the disease. obviously, for those who are sick now, we're searching for therapeutics. and antibody therapies such as this would really move the ball forward dramatically. >> you know, to that point vice president peps said this would be largely behind us by june. he was not referring to any possible therapeutics at that point. it's just what he and the white house think the curve is going to be. so what do you say that? largely behind us by june? you're seeing this in your cardiology department every day. >> yeah. that's certainly optimistic.
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it depends on when and how much we can flatten the curve now. the -- i think most optimistic scenarios show the incidence of new infections dropping dramatically by the beginning of the summer. we heard dr. fauchi today talking about a scenario where in july and august, there are a few new cases, a very limited number of new cases. but there's so many people getting infected. right now the curve continues to rise. the number of people infected is doubling every three days, that i think any prediction that we're going to be out of this by any certain day is purely conjecture. i hope we're out of this in june but i think there's a long way to go before we really can see the light at the end of the tunnel. >> and it would seem, dr. crow, that there's no way even if you
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are looking at numbers like that that you're going to say ok, everybody can go back to work. everyone can go to sports gathering and start jamming thousands of people together again. that seems hard to imagine as a layperson what do you say as a good? >> we'll minute manly be at the tail of a large outbreak. i think there's another concern that we could have a resurgence in the winters to have another round of this. it's not clear that would happen but it's a possibility. so we're getting ready for late summer or fall to prevent any resurgence. >> dr. reiner do you share that concern? he was saying oh, it may happen but it wouldn't be as problematic in his view. do you think that's right or perhaps too sanguin?
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>> there may very well be a second peak in fall or early winter. the big unknown is how much immunity will we have at that time and the fact that people lvb exposed symptom anothericly and asymptomatically in the first wave. that will blunt the second peak. then there's a vaccine that's maybe optimistically ten months away. so hoping that the second peak is not so severe. developing therapeutics to treat people who get sick and moving as quickly and as safely as possible a vaccine are ways to really get this country beyond this. >> thank you very much, both of you. i appreciate it. next, who would qualify and how?
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breaking news. president trump doubling down on his push for a massive infrastructure package in the next round of coronavirus economic relief. >> i proposed a $2 trillion infrastructure plan but will also do something very good. it's called jobs. >> this after the house speaker nancy pelosi and other democrats pushed their own plan that would cost $760 billion over five years. now chuck schumer is with us.
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i appreciate your time. the president making a point moments ago in the briefing that he wants -- you know, he's saying he wants more than double what democrats want and even more than what republicans want. do you give president trump credit to say he's willing to spend $2 trillion on infrastructure? >> i'd say seeing is believing. we asked him that once and he sort of got up and walked out. we'll have to wait and see. our immediate problem is dealing with the health crisis. infrastructure is good. i'm all for it. that's when we try to heal the economy. until we get this criss in control, it will get worse and worse and worse because people will be stuck in their homes. this is the greatest problem we face. there's a dramatic shortage of masks, ppe, the protective equipment, whether it's ventilators. and we have no one really in
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charge. we have this awful spectacle of governors bidding against one another. a mayor told me he called sweden to get ventilators. vef anable that allows the president to appoint somebody w -- so we won't have this chicken with your head cut off, everybody running around trying to get the equipment. now, the president appointed somebody, a man named peter navarr navarro. he is not up to the job. he's a very nice man but he has no experience doing things like this. they have no one that i can best tell in charge of the distribution. they need one person, a military person, a -- a general who knows how to deal with logistics and
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quart mastering, who knows command and control, you need to place that person in charge of production and distribution of all of these kinds of needed equipment and get it to the places that are needed. >> right now -- >> so the president could do that right now and not interfere. no politics, and get job done. i'm calling on him to do it. >> because the reality is now he's saying the stockpile is nearly depleted. another thing that's clear, the spectacle, which is a good word for it of people bidding against each other for all these things. there also seems to be a lack of awareness of what's really there and where "there kwois is. >> it is. >> what day and what warehouse. >> it's a big mix. this is a job the military is great at stuff like this. when they go into battle or prepare for a battle they have to put different kinds of equipment in different kinds of places all at once. there are some very fine
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generals and high ranking members of our military who could do this job if they were appointed, given the power and let lose. i called the president permanently several weeks ago and invoked said invoke the act. he had somebody in the room, let's do it. >> why do you think -- >> an hour later he -- >> threatened to do it with gm. it's not a fear of socialism. what is it? >> i have no idea why he's not doing it. this d.p.a. is what the doctor ordered, so to speak. he should do it immediately. we're running short. there are shortages all over the place. i talked to a bunch of hospital workers and health care workers last night and they told me they don't have what they need. >> do you have any specific generals in mind that you would recommend? >> no. i believe that -- frankly, i'd ask general mili.
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he's the best person for this. he's head of the joint chooefs, he's had years of military experience. he'd know just the person to do this. >> you're talking also about asking the president to sign an executive order that would allow for hazard pay for doctors and nurses, 25% hazard pay. trump said "i like it i. it's been discuss theed. not definitive." have you had any discussions with him yet? >> i have sent him a letter -- i believe i sent it tonight or tomorrow asking that he -- he can do this by executive order. give hazard pay to federal workers. and i think we should require everybody to get it. we have to do it in covid h, which will come up in a couple of weeks. i think lots of private sectors would do it. some are doing it already. >> if you do it in a few weeks,
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who knows where we are on the curve at that point. but would it be back pay for doctors and nurses who are working now? >> i'd like it that way. i'm sending the president a letter saying to pick a military person. i hope he'll respond. >> i appreciate your time. thank you so much senator schumer. zwroo nice to talk with you. keep safe. >> as you. outrange in the streets. as many americans are struggling to make rent or mortgage tote. and a report from jeanne moose. >> i want to address the idiots out there. great work old chap. we'll be rich and famous. well i'll be rich, you'll be famous... at least amongst your digging friends. here's a thought, ever consider investing? e*trade has easy to use tools that help you get started.
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calling this rent strike. it's the first day of the month and nearly 50 billion in rent is due in the u.s. >> a lot of us are choosing between food and rent. we're saying to choose food. >> reporter: across the country rage rising with job losses climbing. renters sharing warning letters from landlords online. one warns rent is due on the first. nothing is changed. one extends the rent deadline only until april 10th. and this one stresses rent is still due. if you've been laid off, it adds places are hiring, like grocery stores, amazon, walmart, and more. renters are fighting back from this los angeles protest to signs of resistance posted across the midwest. from chicago to brooklyn, new york, to new orleans, pledging to not pay. los angeles and new york mayors issued no eviction orders. renters say that's not enough.
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>> we can't pay our rent and we're in debt. how are we supposed to get out of that debt post quarantine teen? >> did you lose your job? >> we all lost our job. >> reporter: she used to make enough to cover her los angeles apartment rent. >> check out my little 500 square feet, $1100 a month. >> reporter: how are you going to pay this $1100 rent? >> i don't know. when you're scared, you don't see nothing but fear. so those people, they don't have nothing else but a sign in their car. >> reporter: these rent strikers. you feel for them. >> absolutely. 20 years ago would have been me. >> reporter: today matthew sits on the other side as a landlord. he is working with his tenants, but can only do so much. >> i have no ability to handle this beyond a couple of months. >> reporter: his family started out in a small condo just before the 2008 mortgage crisis, which
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left them $70,000 under water, unable to sell, but able to rent the condo, they're still climbing out of the red. >> someone loses their job, they can no longer afford to pay rent. follow it through. if i can't pay that mortgage and i have to pay that mortgage at some point, well, that could bankrupt me. >> reporter: matthew tells me his renters did pay their rent on time today, but many of the renters in our story did not pay because they simply couldn't. the urban institute does talk about that figure. $50 billion in rent being due. here's another figure. $90 billion in mortgage payments, erin, are also due. erin? >> all right, thank you very much. and next, jeanne talking about the insults of many who are not staying at home. for what you ne? i should get a quote.
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tonight the many ways that americans are getting the message to stay home. here's jeanne. >> reporter: if you're sitting alone on your couch, pantsless perhaps, the governor of new jersey is not admonishing you. >> no more knuckle head parties or gatherings. >> reporter: he and larry david. >> i basically want to address the idiots out there. >> reporter: are trying to reach the congregators ignoring, please to stay at home. >> we have a situation. >> reporter: new jersey even recruited the situation from the reality show "jersey shore." >> i have unbelievable mass appeal. >> reporter: to convince the fun-loving masses. >> the time for parties is over. >> reporter: and larry david is doing the same thing for california. >> nothing good ever happens going out of the house. you know that. there's just trouble out there. >> reporter: but even more
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eyebrow raising are the musical efforts to encourage social distancing from the parody of the vanilla ice classic, ice, ice, baby. ♪ ♪ by a guy known as the singing dentist. so this parody of the sound of music. ♪ do not fear, but please say here ♪ >> reporter: the message, it's safer for the von trap family to be von trapped at home. ♪ don't let coronavirus spread ♪ >> reporter: even keeping kids from encroaching on your social distance. australian comedian wrote a poem. ♪ we hope you'll cure it poor retiree bobby kelly turned lyrics into song while self
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quarantining. who needs to call people idiots and knuckle heads? jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for watching. ac 360 starts right now. >> and good evening, everybody. just a short time ago president trump and his task force wrapped up another coronavirus briefing. they report that the nation's stockpile much needed equipment, gloves and other medical supplies is near depletion. ppe. quoting president trump, it is because we're sending it directly to hospitals. well, earlier today new york city's mayor said they need millions of specialized masks by sunday. connecticut's governor ned lamont said it's a scramble for supplies and quoted it's a bit of a mess out there. we'll speak
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