black and blue ♪ >> don't give into the fear. let's keep going. awesome. this is truly an effort by everyone in america to get through this crisis, together. sanjay, i think your daughter i understand is even getting involved. >> you know, it's been one of my, i guess, favorite things in the midst of all this seeing how kids have been adapting to this new normal. doing their part to help, as well. you know, you forget -- you forget the kids, even young kids, are really listening. you know, anderson, we have been talking a lot about masks lately so my youngest daughter. she decided to actually make masks for members of the family. anderson, there she is. she actually made one for you as well. i'll send it to you. >> oh, wow. thanks. >> she knows we shouldn't be using the hospital masks but the cloth masks might help other people stay safe. look at her go there. i'm biased but i think she did a great job. >> wow. >> show you my mask. this is my mask right here. >> that's awesome. >> pretty good mask, huh? >> she made that? >> she made that. i'm going to send you yours, too. >> that's cool. >> anderson, there is this great

quote i love. mark twain always gets credit for quotes but i think he actually said this one. something like the best way to cheer yourself up is to cheer up somebody else. i think it's really true. i mean, you and i, everybody, we're all in this together. so let's make sure we're there for each other, as well. >> yeah. there's a great quote my mom used to quote a lot. it's often -- it's from a scottish philosopher/minister and it's be kind because everybody you meet is fighting a great battle. i think that's never more true than right now. there's a lot of people out there fighting great battles, and let's be kind to each other. >> yeah, and so many people are asking also about just wanting to help, which i find so gratifying. and we put together this for people to find that information. cnn.com/impact. >> sanjay, thanks for doing this town hall, again. and i want to thank everybody who wrote in with your questions and who joined us for this town hall. we are all in this together. the news continues here on cnn. >> good evening, everyone. you just watched cnn global town

hall coronavirus facts and fears. i am don lemon and here is our breaking news at this hour. there are now more than 244,000 cases of coronavirus in this country. more than 5,900 deaths. and another -- in another grim and disturbing milestone, there are now more than a million cases of coronavirus. that's globally. over 52,000 people have died. and, here, in the united states, we are still not doing what we need to do to fight this deadly virus because of a complete lack of leadership. the president, who ignores social distancing night after night during his coronavirus briefings -- just look at the picture -- still won't issue a nationwide stay-at-home order. dr. anthony fauci, bluntly, saying this tonight. >> i don't understand why that's not happening. as you said, you know, the tension between federally mandated versus states' rights to do what they want is something i don't want to get into. but if you look at what's going on in this country, i just don't

understand why we're not doing that. we really should be. >> so with thousands and thousands of americans at risk, this president, this administration, playing the blame game tonight. blaming the states and their governors. >> the states should've been building their stockpile. we have almost 10,000 in our stockpile, and we've been building it and we've been supplying it. but the states should be building. we're backup. we're not an ordering clerk. >> blaming the supply chain. >> the ventilator companies themselves express concern that, in this rush to build ventilators, there would be pressure on that supply chain. >> blaming is easy. leading is hard. the hard truth is being president in a crisis means you need to take responsibility. and with governors across the country pleading for lifesaving

supplies, the president's son-in-law and senior advisor jared kushner says this. >> i got a call from the president. he told me he was hearing from friends in new york that the new york public hospital system was running low on critical supply. >> he was hearing from friends in new york? that's what it takes to get action from this president? a tip from a friend? that things are actually bad right now. that is a perfect example of the complete lack of seriousness from this administration. from this president. we've all heard new york's governor andrew cuomo, day after day, on live tv, begging for supplies. >> it is essential that the federal government works with this state, and that this state works with the federal government. we cannot do this on our own. i need your help. i want your help. and new yorkers will do

everything they can to be good partners with the federal government. >> what am i going to do with 400 ventilators when i need 30,000? you pick the 26,000 people who are going to die because you only sent 400 ventilators. >> we have all heard the governor begging for what he needs to save lives, along with others. and, tonight, we are going to talk about all the governors, republican and democrat, who are doing the right thing for their citizens. thankful to them. but there are other governors taking their cues from the president. dodging their responsibility. with 93% of americans, well over 305 million people, under stay-at-home orders tonight, some governors are still refusing to take action to protect their own citizens, their own people. ten states have no stay-at-home orders. alabama, arkansas, iowa, missouri, north dakota, nebraska, south carolina, south

dakota, utah, wyoming. missouri governor mike parson suggesting he is considering a stay-at-home order. sure. consider away. let the clock just keep on ticking, while your people are being exposed to this virus. there are more than 1,800 cases in missouri, so far. 1,800, so far. the florida governor, ron desantis, issued a stay-at-home order yesterday. one that exempted houses of worship, allowing them to continue to hold crowded services. then, signed a second order, effectively overruling local communities with stricter stay-at-home orders. and then there's a governor, the georgia governor, brian kemp. finally, issuing a shelt shelter-in-place order today. claiming the reason he waited so long was that he had only just learned -- he had only just learned -- that people without

symptoms could spread the virus. >> those individuals could've been infecting people before they ever felt bad. but we didn't know that until the last 24 hours. >> listen. i don't mean to be rude here but people's lives are at stake. he didn't know that for the last 24 hours? where has he been? is he ignorant to the point of incompetence? or is he just lying? it is absolutely not true that we did not know, until the last 24 hours, that people who have no symptoms could still infect others. dr. fauci. here it is. january 31st. >> you know that, in the beginning, we were not sure if there were asymptomatic infection, which would make it a much broader outbreak than what we're seeing. now, we know for sure that there

are. >> everyone who has been paying any attention at all knows that. and knew months ago. yet, georgia's governor claims that he didn't know. he is the governor. and he didn't know. and waited until yesterday to finally announce a stay-at-home order. that is nothing but willful ignorance. and where does that come from? i have been saying, all along, that the president set the table for how people felt about this virus. so where does it come from? it comes from the top. just listen to the president. his back and forth on whether people should now be required to wear masks. >> frankly, i don't think -- i don't think they'll be mandatory because some people don't want to do that. but if people want it, as an example, on the masks, if people

wanted to wear them, they can. if people wanted to use scarves, which they have. many people have them. they can. in many cases, the scarf is better. it's thicker. i mean, if you can -- depending on the material, it's thicker. but they could do that if they want. no now, recommendations are coming out. we'll see. but -- but i will say this. they can pretty much decide for themselves right now. >> if you want to wear masks, you can. scarves are better. thicker. you could do that, if you want. decide for yourself. that's the kind of leadership we're getting from this white house in the midst of a crisis that's already killed more than 5,900 americans. a complete lack of seriousness on our health, and on our economy, quite frankly. 6.6 million people filed for their first week of unemployment last week.

3.3 million filed the week before. that's close to 10 million people, in two weeks. and the president says this tonight. this was from his briefing. >> and then you see 6 million people unemployed. unemployment numbers get released, and you see 6 million people. and it's an artificial closing. it's not like we have a massive recession or worse. it's artificial because we turned it off. >> it's artificial? it is not artificial. tell that to nearly 10 million americans, who are, suddenly, out of work in the midst of this crisis. who can't pay their rent. they can't pay their mortgages. they're sitting at home. they don't have jobs. tell that to nearly 10 million americans, that it's artificial. really?

let's remember what the commerce secretary wilbur ross said about the coronavirus outbreak in china. this was back in january. pay close attention. >> think it will help to accelerate the return of jobs to north america. >> accelerate the return of jobs, huh? how's that working out? a complete lack of seriousness from the beginning. catastrophic unemployment numbers. the economy, on life support. doctors, nurses, hospitals, begging for equipment to save our lives and their own. like i said, america needs leadership. look for it out there and -- and

find it where you can. meantime, listen to the experts. the real experts. the ones who are warning the white house that the coronavirus may be spread much more easily than we thought. by breathing or even talking. not just by sneezing or coughing. one of those experts, he joins me now. that's dr. harvey v. fineburg, the chair of the standing committee on emerging infections diseases. thank you -- infectious diseases -- thank you so much dr. fineburg. i really appreciate you joining us so let's get right to it. okay? as one of the most preeminent experts on infectious diseases, you are the doctor who wrote a letter to the white house explaining that the virus can be transmitted just by talking or breathing. to -- to most people, i mean, that is really frightening. so take us through your findings, and what did you share with them, please?

>> don, thank you. it's really a pleasure to be with you. and to have this opportunity to talk with you and to all of your listeners and viewers. the nationals academy committee made up of a number of experts reviewed the evidence of how respiratory viruses are spread. and it's been long established that there are three ways. we produce big droplets when we laugh, cough, or sneeze. we produce tiny droplets when we, also, talk or even breathe. many of us are completely unaware of the fact that we are, actually, producing and exhaling invisible droplets, as we go about our daily lives. and, finally, when we touch a contaminated surface from one of these droplets or direct contamination and then touch our face, that's a third way that we can get infected. all three of these pathways are important to stop. nobody knows, for sure, exactly

how important each of them is. but they are all possible and they should all be part of our preventative strategy. that's why the cdc says warn yo wash your hands frequently. keep a physical distance. and those kind of steps are really important in reducing our exposure to the virus in the ways that could infect us. >> dr. fineburg, our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, you know, they just had the town hall tonight. and, during that town hall, he asked dr. fauci about your findings. take a listen to this and then we'll discuss. >> you don't have to cough. you don't have to sneeze. there is an aerosol that goes out, just a very short distance. just a couple of feet. and i think that's one of the things that's putting a red flag for people. why people who are completely asymptom t asymptomatic, not coughing, not sneezing. we know, now, are transmitting the virus, which brings up a number of issues. first, it underscores why you

should continue to try and stay six feet away from someone because that would obviate that right away. >> so i mean, if it -- if it even goes a couple feet but if it stays airborne for any time at all, would you -- would you change your behavior based on this information? like, running outside, for example? >> no, no, sanjay, i wouldn't, because i believe that the six-foot distance would really obviate that concern. because if you look at the video of what that -- came out of that person's mouth when they spoke, it was sort of like this. but it stayed there for a bit a couple of feet and then went down. >> doctor, do you agree? is six feet away far enough? >> six feet away is a good distance, and almost always, it's good enough for any of the larger droplets to fall down. if you're in the outdoors, it's perfectly adequate because the air disperses these droplets. if you're in a confined room with a patient who has the

infection, then those droplets that are invisibly tiny can circulate around the room. a study at the university of nebraska, for example, found contamination in the form of remnants from the virus that causes this disease, all around the rooms of patients. so that is why it's especially important for our health professionals to have the protection that they need when they're caring for patients. but when you're walking outdoors, six-feet distance is a pretty good distance. i wouldn't want to be directly in the line of someone who gave a great big sneeze. but, in general, it's a pretty safe distance. >> what about an office spaces? and people are going to wonder what about circulating in the air conditioning system? or just in a general office space? >> the degree to which this particular virus could circulate in sufficient density to be

infectious in different spaces is not, yet, really established. with some viruses -- for example, the measles virus, we know it's highly contagious and can spread through ventilation systems. with this virus, it's not nearly yet established. >> okay. so, listen. the president didn't give a clear answer tonight on wearing masks, doctor. what do you think people should do? >> a i thii think we're going t some advice. everyone is saying we're going to get some recommendations soon. if you ask me, the scientific evidence is not conclusive about wearing a mask to protect others. this is the key, don. we're talking, here, about whether if you wear a mask, you can prevent the spread of this virus, unwittingly, to other people. because any one of us could be among that asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic but infected stage. when we feel fine but we're

capable of infecting someone else. the idea is if we wear a mask, all of us, we will help one another be protected because those of us who are unwittingly infected and would have some of our droplets interrupted by that mask will help all of us to stay healthier. >> if you can, a short answer, please, on this. dr. fauci said, tonight, that the entire country should be under stay-at-home orders. he said he didn't know why that wasn't happening. any thoughts on that, please, for me? >> we should all listen to dr. fauci. he knows what he's talking about. and, fundamentally, right now, our best defense against this virus is interrupting its opportunity to infect others. staying at home. keeping our physical distance. washing our hands. always keeping away from anyone who has been or is actively infected.

that's where you get isolation. those are the things that are just commonsense, good steps for us to all take advantage of. >> dr. fineburg, thank you so much. you've been really, really helpful. thank you so much. >> it's a pleasure to be with you, don. >> absolutely. it's a pleasure to have you. well, up next, one of the nation's governors who is stepping up for the people of his state. he has been a leader in this crisis. washington governor jay inslee after the break. through every dark hour and bright dawn our country has endured. it has seen the break in the clouds before anyone else. for the past 168 years, we've also stood by you, helping you weather storms like this one, to protect your loved ones. and we'll do it for 168 more.

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throughout this crisis, a lack of federal leadership has led to states bidding against each other for personal protective equipment and other medical supplies. president trump was asked about that tonight. watch this. >> they have to work that out. what they should do is that -- long before this pandemic arrived, they should have been on the open market just buying. there was no competition. you could have made a great price. the states have to stock up. it's like one of those things. they waited. they didn't want to spend the money because they thought this would never happen. and their shelves, in some cases, were bare. >> one of those things. joining me now, washington

governor jay inslee. governor, thank you so much. governor, you are doing a great job. and i have been saying to every governor who comes on and every mayor, the governors and mayors around this country have really stepped into the void, and they've been doing -- for the most part, they've been doing some really heroic work. you are one of them. congratulations. i'm sorry for what's going on in your state, and we appreciate you joining us tonight. so let's get to business, now. >> thank you. >> absolutely. so having been through what you have, what you've gone through in your state, are going through in your state. when you hear the president point fingers at states, what's your reaction? >> well, it's the same reaction that all -- all of us would've had if, on december 8th, 1941, the morning after the day of infamy in pearl harbor, could you imagine franklin delano roosevelt giving a speech and saying, well, maybe connecticut, you guys could go build a battleship. and maybe, missouri, you could make a few bullets. and, by the way, y'all have to bid against yourself to buy

armament to win against the forces of fascism. it would have been ridiculous, and it would have been futile. and we could have lost world war ii. and i have the same reaction to this because, look, we need a full-scale, national mobilization of the immense talents and manufacturing capability of the united states. and the president of the united states has the power, both legally and morally, to summon us to that. and -- and been very disappointed that he has not used it to the extent he should. now, look, we have had help from the federal government. i don't want to diminish that. we got things from the federal stockpile. the army is putting up a hospital for us in seattle today. but what we do not have, and we desperately need, is the full-scale mobilization of the industrial capacity of the united states to make test kits. to make n95 masks. to make visors. all of these things ought to be in our arsenal. and, you know, we won world war ii because of the arsenal

democracy. we need an arsenal against this virus right now. now, i urge the president to use the defense production act. he didn't do it till the next day. >> can i talk to you about that? because he is announcing today that he is using the dpa, defense production act which you just mentioned, to clear up supply chain issues and get more ventilators into production. how long do you expect it to be before you see more ventilators in your state? now, i understand what you were saying. if he had done that earlier, you may have some of those ventilators. you may have some of those ppe and all of that stuff that you need now. but how long do you think before you'll see some of those ventilators? and some of that equipment you need. >> probably about a month from that particular order. but i want to point out that i urged him to do it. he refused to do it. then he did it the next day, on an order that had already been placed. it's from a company in washington to work with general motors. we need him to use that same statute to order manufacturing of masks.

we're sending our nurses into these hospitals. they don't have enough protection. it's just absurd. he needs to use that to order visors so that the physicians have a visor to -- to, you know, protect them from the splatter and the like. we have enormous manufacturing capability. he can order, today, the people who are making cup holders and trinkets and toys to get into this fight. and republicans and democrat governors, alike, share this frustration. and we hope he'll step up to the plate. he hassen't yet but we desperaty need him to do that. now, that doesn't obviate what we're doing. we are building things here. i got a company called outdoor research. they make mountain climbing gear that i have enjoyed for years. they're now going to turn out hundreds of thousands of masks in the next several weeks. i have my prisoners making surgical garb right now in our prisons. governors are doing this all over the country but this is a national problem. it needs a national response. and it needs a national call to

action. we could use that leadership. >> i want to ask you about what we are seeing in the data. the data coming from washington state. is it -- are you on the down slope of the curve, you think? >> no, we are not. deaths continue to increase. we're up to about 259, i believe, tonight with over 6,000 infected. we think that -- here's the good news and the bad news. the good news is some of the early social distancing we've done, and we were early in this program. we were aggressive in closing schools and restaurants. we are aggressive in putting a stay-at-home order in place. the epidemiologist -- in fact, i met with him today at the university of washington -- told us that is working. it is bending the curve down. this is a reason to have confidence that our stay-home orders can work. however, we still have not got

down over the plateau. we're a long ways from that, frankly, and we don't know what this virus is going to do. it's an unpredictable beast. so what we're doing, i just extended my stay-home order for the first two weeks. i've now extended it another month, to may 4th. so we have one of the longer periods in the country right now but that's the smart thing based on the data. we need to be aggressive against this disease. and we -- we've got to wrestle it all the way to the ground because we can't let it spring back up in the months to come. >> governor, appreciate your time. we know it's a busy time for you. so any -- any time we can get some thoughts from you, we appreciate it. thank you. best of luck. >> wash your hands. wash your hands, don. >> absolutely. i've been doing that a lot. thank you so much. be safe. >> thank you. >> today's white house briefing on coronavirus was the longest one yet. but short on leadership for the country. - [announcer] at custom ink, we believe community

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people all across this country, that means you, we know that you are anxious to know, should we all be wearing masks now? the president was asked about that tonight. let's bring in cnn white house correspondent john harwood. john, good to see you again tonight. thank you for coming on and talking about this. this is very important that you're here to guide us through this because you're covering it every single day, close up. this is what president trump said when asked about wearing masks at tonight's briefing. >> well, i think they're going to be coming out with regulations on that. and if people want to abide by it, frankly, i don't think -- i don't think they'll be mandatory because some people don't want to do that. but if people want it -- as an example, on the masks, if people wanted to wear them, they can. if people wanted to use scarves, which they have -- many people have them -- they can. in many cases, the scarf is

better. it's thicker. i mean, you can -- depending on the material, it's thicker. but they could do that if they want. >> people just want to know, are we supposed to wear masks or not? where is the clear direction on this? >> consistent pattern with the president, don, is that he is afraid of challenging, pushing his base for larger purposes if he thinks they're reluctant. so business says don't invoke the defense production act. he slow walks and backs into that. governors say don't tell me to do a stay at home order so he holds back, suggests it, but won't say it. same with these masks. now, as for how dangerous that is, the science is a little bit more equivocal on that. i think the other two were more significant. and the stay at home orders. but he is not coming out and saying it unequivocally because some people say, well, that's intrusive government. he's not willing to stand up to that. >> jared kushner spoke at

tonight's coronavirus briefing. here's what he said. >> i got a call from the president. he told me he was hearing from friends of his in new york, that the new york public hospital system was running low on critical supply. he instructed me, this morning. i called dr. katz, who runs the system. asked him which supply was the most supply he was nervous about. he told me it was the n95 masks. i asked what his daily burn was, and i basically got that number. called up the admiral, made sure we had the inventory. >> i mean, okay. he was hearing from friends. maybe they weren't saying it on conservative media. i don't know. but i mean, thank goodness one of the president's friends finally told him the exact same thing that every doctor and expert and official on television, on cnn, on every, you know, legitimate news channel's been saying for weeks, if not months. so what -- what -- what is that about? >> that's precisely the point. well, jared thought he was flattering himself with that story when, in fact, as you

suggest, it shows exactly what the problem is. hospitals. medical providers. doctors. governors. mayors. have been pleading, for weeks and weeks and weeks, for medical supplies. and the idea that the president's son-in-law talks to the president. he says, oh, i heard from some of my friends there was a problem. he makes a phone call and sends some masks. that's not how it's supposed to work. you're supposed to have a unified command system. information getting up the chain and not in a haphazard way like a phone call, late night, between the president and one of his friends. >> john harwood, thank you, sir. appreciate your time. we'll be right back. >> you bet. my gums are irritated.

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cnn learning tonight that the cdc is recommending communities be evaluated for four consecutive weeks before returning to some aspect of community life.

it is unclear if the white house has approved those recommendations, or when the evaluation period would start. andy slavitt is here. he's former acting head of the healthcare for the obama administration. and the host of a new podcast "in the bubble." and dr. mark mcclellan is here, as well, former fda commission under george w. bush. gentlemen, thank you so much. appreciate you joining us. dr. mcclellan, i am going to start with you first because you co-authored a report that provides a roadmap for getting the country back on its feet with phase one slowly -- slowing the spread, you said. phase two, reopening state by state. phase three, establishing protection and lifting all restrictions. what is -- what is it going to take to get to phase three? and how long do we have until then? >> don, we have a ways to go. we are in phase one now. in fact, the next few weeks are going to be really tough in many

parts of the united states. so to get past that, we need to keep doing all of the distancing measures, all the things that we, every one of us, needs to do to help slow down the spread of this virus. we need to keep helping hospitals with the surge capacity they need. we need to keep increasing testing so that we can identify cases earlier. after we bend the curve, and have a sustained reduction in the number of new cases and the number of hospitalizations in an area, that's when you can think about moving onto the next phase. and that next phase is not back to normal. it's a new normal, with considerable attention to a need for distancing. people can go back to work, can do more activities. but not big crowds and a respect for the fact that this virus could come back. along with that is a need for what we'll call surveillance. so a lot of testing to make sure if someone does have -- if there is a new outbreak for the condition, if someone does have

coronavirus, we're going to identify it quickly and can isolate and keep it under control. that, along with enough hospital capacity if there is another surge, are the prerequisites for opening back up. but that could happen in a matter of weeks. it all depends on what we do, all americans, and our policy leaders. >> okay. so that was -- i was going to ask you. within a matter of weeks but we don't know. or it could take longer. depending on if we do -- >> it depends on all of those markers. so we got to go by results. we got to make progress in bending down the curve, controlling the outbreaks. and then we can take more steps. >> andy, you have outlined 20 points that the administration should pursue to fight the coronavirus. what are the most important ones? and which ones will be what will best help us get on -- on track to reopening the country? >> first of all, the paper that mark co-authored is an

outstanding paper, and it's quite readable by anybody. so i'd suggest people take a look at it. it is, i think, the best roadmap we have today of our path back. in the meantime, the 20 recommendations i spelled out are things we need to do to organize better and get things done. because while all these things are happening, we have frontline workers that need much more protection. we need to treat them as a special class. we have people that are going hungry, and we have people that are worried about their jobs. so congress and the administration have to do a lot more, and are going to have to put more money in the pockets of states. i know $2 trillion sounds like a big number. but so -- but it's a lot less expensive than a full-fledged depression and losing people. so i think these 20 points that i -- that i put forward are points that are going to help us drive the ship through the process of getting to the paper that mark put out. >> yeah. but what happens if we

backslide? and what does that mean for our economy? could we go into a depression? we'll talk about that, right after the break. these days, it's anything but business as usual.

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>> back with me now, former officials from republican and democratic administrations, andy slavitt. from the obama administration, dr. mark mcclellan. so listen, dr. mcclellan, phase two of your plan is about reopening state by state. but as we have seen in countries around the world, they are struggling with imported cases. how do we stop that from happening in states reopening separately? >> there is always going to be a risk of another outbreak

happening until we get a vaccine and until we get immunity for most americans against this viru virus. so when we get the current cases under control, we need to have a very aggressive approach to as there is an important case as someone comes from another area or if there is a bit of a smoldering remainder of the viral outbreak, we can get on top of it quickly, so that's why lots of testing and public health and health care surveillance system are really important. health care is going to be different when we reopen. it's going to have to pay a lot more attention to early detection of this infection, to helping people get the care they need outside of the hospital, at home in places that are lower risk, and it's going to have to stay on top working with the public health authorities. stay on top of these potential outbreaks.

>> some states still haven't issued stay at home orders and others have been criticized for taking so long to do so. getting back to normal daily life is one thing, but how long could it take for the economy to recover? >> one thing we learned if we look at the 1918 flu is that there's two keys to success to getting past this, one is how quickly do you put people into social isolation, and the second is how long do you sustain it. i talked to a few governors today, and they're already feeling the pressure at the end of april even though their health commissioners are telling them otherwise that people are going to need to get back to work. it's going to be a difficult challenge. congress and the states are going to have to work on this together because what you don't wanted to do is be short-term smart, long-term foolish and before you have the things in place that mark described earlier in this conversation, if

you let people off too early, then you'll see a bounce back, and you'll see it likely very strongly in the fall. and the thing we have to pledge in this country is something pretty simple. you know, people will die of pneumonia. people will die of illness. that's sad. what we should never have in this country is people dying because they can't get a ventilator or a hospital bed or access to health care. and if we don't keep ourselves tightly socially isolated for the near-term, then that's what's going to happen, and that's when the fatality rates in places like italy and other places went much, much higher, so i think we should take care of this -- we take care of this, the economy will welcome it. there will be parlenty of thing to bring it back. if we deal with it halfway, the economy's going to struggle for a long time. >> thanks so much. a new orleans jazz legend passing away from the coronavirus. we're going to rebmember ellis

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♪ that is jazz legend ellis marsalis jr. playing at the new orleans jazz and heritage festival. this was back in 2012. let me tell you about him, he was a pianist and educator, and a patriarch of a legendary musical family. he died yesterday from complications of coronavirus. he was 85, and i am honored to

be joined by his son, the legendary saxophonist and composer branford marsalis. it's so good to see you. >> thank you. >> it's good to see you with a smile on your face. listen, i'm sorry. i know everyone says i'm sorry for your loss. as you know, i'm from louisiana and i truly am sorry. we love your family. we love your dad. we love you. we love everybody. so your father meant so much, so share what you want about him. >> i mean, it would take a long time because his teaching philosophy was very socratic. he never really tried to tell you what the answer was. he would ask you questions and put you in a position so that you could arrive at an answer on your own because then it is you

making the decision more so than him telling you what to do, and i didn't appreciate that until i got a lot older. >> yeah. >> we're watching video of him playing. this is 2006 in new orleans. you wrote about your father. you said my dad was a giant of a musician and teacher, but an even greater father. he poured everything he had into making us the best of what we could be. your father raised such exemplary sons. four of you are prominent musicians in your own right. what did he instill in you and your brothers to help you become such successful -- i mean, all of you are just really extraordinary men. i know the introduction embarrassed you, but it really is true. >> he's a thinker, and he was the perfect combination of a sort of rote approach to playing