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good evening, welcome to second hour of "360." another grim milestone, first time more than 1,000 have died in one day in the united states. 1,419 people. most in a single day for this country, 7,402 dead overall. total cases -- those are the numbers. there are people behind all the numbers. to underscore the sharp rise, emergency went out in new york. seeking licensed health care workers to support needs. "new york times" number has nearly doubled in a week. number hospitalized, on ventilators. recommending face coverings for all americans, something he repeatedly said he won't be following that guideline.
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talk about the new guidelines with mayor of los angeles, eric garcetti. also a report on captain who lost his command after informing superiors about the threat to his vessel. not here, chris cuomo, at home having contracted covid-19. he joins us now. joining us again, dr. sanjay gupta. how are you feeling, chris? >> hey fellows, doing better than i deserve. sanjay told me everything takes a few days to sink in with me. can't wake up every day thinking it's going to be better with cold or virus. it's going to be a long slog. i accept that now. talked to a lot of people with the virus, looking at twice the
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time i've had so far. that's what it is. i'm lucky, i'm loved, going day by day. >> you are loved. i got so many emails asking me today how you were doing. you should know that. all kidding aside, chris, take time off, just to take care of yourself. i realize you're stuck in your basement down there. but are you worried? you know statistically, very likely to get through this and recover and all that, i know you realize that, but what is your -- how worried are you? >> i'm fairly worried that my kids and wife are still going to get it. my wife is taking care of me. that's an amazing act of love. we're doing everything we can but -- so that's constant concern. sanjay, i see the 80% differently than i used to.
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80% will get this, lot of them asymptomatic or get through and all these different courses. my kids showing me cutouts on social media of mothers who die and 30-year-olds who die, there's sense of anticipation. i didn't hear my son's quad, he was watching me sleep and it was because he was worried. that gets me. don't want that for them. i'm worried about duration. fear is i'm going to get through this and then get something else, superinfections you guys talk about. like pneumonia or something like that, another ten days or more without the family. i've had so many people share their stories with me, that's my fear now, how will i handle that, that's what i try to not focus on because it scares me.
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>> one of the things that always gets me through being sick there's medicine i can take, just a matter of time before that kicks in. obviously not the case with something like this. how do you -- how have you been sleeping? how do you get through the day? >> well, you know, you're kind of dead weight all day long. i haven't watched any netflix series, read anything other than online, trying to stay apprised and talk to other people. i'm so lethargic, i can stare outside and hour and a half goes by. i think i took a ten-minute nap was 3 1/2 hours. change clothes seven times a day. >> why? sweating so much? >> sweating through things. every time i drink something hot which is important to do, i just sweat. it's surreal existence. i'm not bored. i'm barely aware of what is going on.
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takes almost all my energy to do a simple hit like this, and not really having to prepare except existing. i'm taking everything -- my wife is a wellness person, runs a business learning about homeopathic stuff, i don't even ask, other than tylenol, people ask about it, i don't want to take the risk of taking something while fighting this that might take me in a bad direction. i don't need it. i know other people are at different point of desperation, don't judge anybody's choices, i totally get it. don't have answers for anybody. other than newfound acceptance, know i'm in a fight. not upset when i have a fever. i know i have a fever. going to have a fever at night, beast comes at night, it's going to suck, not going to sleep through the night.
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that's how it is. tomorrow you get after it again, that's the way you got to be. >> just so people at home know, chris, we talk on the phone quite a bit, but people mostly recover, being asked to recover at home but there are some things, if this is starting to happen, should talk to the doctor. having any chest pain which you had that first night, but went away. shortness of breath, if you feel like your sensorium, ability to focus or concentrate is off, that's concerning sign or bluish tint to lips, you're not getting enough oxygen, you're checking your oxygen. those are serious signs, chris, at times you've had things, but today compared to yesterday, the day before, is there a way to assess your trajectory? are you same, worse, how do you
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feel about that? >> thank you for teaching me a new word. coop has the steel look going but doesn't know what sensorium means either. >> still don't. know what i was thinking, mental note, look that word up. >> my sensorium is all sideways, can't say it enough. but listen i think that i'm doing all the things you tell me to do, sanjay, you're a gift to me as a friend and counsel, and it's no secret that anthony fauci has been a friend of the family a long time. i have all these big shots checking to see how i am. i know it matters that people look and see, they're also afraid of this boogie man. but focus is just not right, you're not 100%, people have to know that. decide what you're going to accept and not going to accept.
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i get a lot more hot and bothered listening to what the government is telling us journalistically when it doesn't make sense than i do about my own situation. i think it's feeding people's powerlessness. but i know i have to be careful. and it's frustrating, buddy because i can't control it. >> not sure you want to listen to a lot of the statements coming out when you're sick, you need all your strength for that kind of thing. >> but people talk to me about it, man. what's spooking people, why are they watching cnn's coverage, especially with you guys so much right now? because it doesn't make sense because pete navarro, a nice guy, we have good working relationships with him, makes himself available. but he can't answer anything that's bad for the government but can talk your ear off about things completely beside the point. there's obvious functional analysis here, when it was time to build the wall the president
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used mechanisms and urgency he hasn't come close to using in this situation, why? it doesn't make sense to people. watching governors not condemned by the president. in georgia saying i didn't know you could be asymptomatic, really? my 10-year-old knows it. tennessee guy, lot of things on social distance, no there isn't, why isn't the president on them? that's more fearful to me than the virus. >> how do you communicate with family? talked about your son watching you sleep, breaks my heart. >> killed me. i go like this, christina, how we doing up there? all right? >> fine. >> anderson just wanted to see how we communicate. there it is. how is that from a sensorium
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perspective? >> communication -- sometime we have to do a study on how we both grew up, communication your house and mine. communication at my house was small whispers and leaving notes to each other. >> you better belief that entire arm. that's as much of her as i've seen in nine days. yellow dog will come downstairs and she sprays him with clorox. kids sit up there, more keenly aware of this now. and bella came down today and wanted to do karaoke singing and i don't have enough wind for that. we kind of got through that. she saw it wasn't something to be upset about, i've been laying down a lot, takes something out of you. trying to stay close emotionally without letting them get freaked out but i have to tell you, anderson, heart goes out to
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people all over this country and this world that imagine not being able to be there for ones you love. so many people are sick and having to take care of their kids at the same time, worried about kids and spouses, whether they'll be able to work again, have to stay home. on top of the virus, so many of us dealing with overwhelming situation. that's why i have to get back to work with you guys, hold the government to account. too many people in too hard a way for too long. >> have they told you how long before you get recovered, chris? >> you tell me, you're the guy i'm waiting for? >> i'll tell you what i think -- >> say i need no fever 72 hours and seven to ten days i'll be quarantined after that. i can't see not having fever for 72 hours.
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haven't not had fever for 72 minutes. so i just take it one day at a time. i'm lucky, strong, got people who love me, a reason to want to get through this. that's all i can control. >> we'll think about it you. >> if you could stay there. need to take a break but want to continue the discussion with paramedic from the new york fire department who has contracted the virus as well. if you can hang out. eric garcetti will join us. what president trump said about it. chicago!
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back with me, sanjay gupta, our colleague chris cuomo, were talking about physical and mental toll and isolation. aline bocanegra-reich also contracted the virus, paramedic with the new york fire department, i talked to you i think it was yesterday. you're here with chris and sanjay. how are you feeling tonight? >> tonight i'm feeling a lot better than i have been for the past week all around. coughing fits are less. >> chris was saying for him, nights are particularly bad. is that the case for you? >> yes, the nights are the worst. and waking up.
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>> how is your husband doing? i know he tested positive as well, little bit milder case than you. >> yes, he had a milder case. had cough and chills and fevers, a lot of chest pressure, as well. we kept an eye on him the whole time because i wanted to make sure it wasn't cardiac related. but he's doing much better, thank god. >> chris -- >> aline. >> go ahead, sanjay. >> i know you have 2-year-old and 4-year-old at home, as well. have they been healthy? any signs of illness? >> 2-year-old had a fever three nights ago. and he was very -- he was just -- couldn't convince the kid the world was okay, just screaming until he finally went to sleep. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry.
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>> i had to give him acetaminophen, and he calmed down a little bit but he was not okay. thank god it didn't come back and hasn't come back. but i was deathly afraid he was going to go through what i went through. >> chris, you were saying you've been in touch with a lot of people who are also positive or who were positive or were in confinement now. and that's helpful, having that sense of community. >> yeah. it is, but it's about the context also. what bocanegra-reich -- that's full last name, right? >> yes. >> what she's doing with her husband, i'm amazed. taking care of two little kids at the same time she's battling the virus.
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that's how you know she's a paramedic. that's the kind of dedication a first responder has that she can handle that. i know she may be getting better but not saying she feels good, but doesn't feel as bad as she did. i'm amazed by that. it's so empowering for people to know, not only just sitting around basically collecting dust most of the day but this young lady is doing same thing, taking care of their family. got her husband there. i guarantee he's not doing as much, and it's empowering to know that people can get through it with the bravery only a first responder would have. >> at some point there's the discussion of going back to work. that's got to be -- how do you see just the thought of that at this point, given all the stuff you would have to face and lack of supplies? >> so i'm going to give you something that not a lot of
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people would want to speak about. but honestly at this point it's the big elephant in the room. and honestly i'm very afraid of going back to work. and possibly contracting this again. from what i've heard it's worse the second time around. and also with the lack of instruments that we need. we don't have clean -- needs are not going to be met, haven't been met. we're in danger every single day. we're in danger every single day and we still have to figure out a way to feed our family because we are paid so poorly. and i -- i just don't understand.
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i don't get it. we are it right now. 4,000 ems members, women and men. and unfortunately we're taking the back burner when it comes to talk about a contract. i don't understand. >> contract with the city. the thing about what you do, and emts and firefighters, you're the front line of the front line. before doctors see patients, you're the folks who arrive in people's homes and are having to determine first of all how close can i get to this person? and also is this person somebody who needs to go to the hospital? or somebody who is sick but can still stay at home? i mean you're the pointy edge of the spear here. that's a particular kind of burden that emts and paramedics and firefighters have right now. >> i don't know how officials
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can expect so much from us and still look us in the eye and say we should not talk about a contract at this moment. then when? because my time, as this virus has shown me, is very, very fragile and very short. >> listen, think you're right. we have the same kinds of conversations around other kinds of disasters, what policy changes would make a difference. people say let's respect the situation. that is respecting the situation. shouldn't have go back to work if you can't be safe. you have two little ones at home. they have to come first, motivate your existence in the first place, same with your husband. if they can't guarantee you you have the equipment you need for the 911 calls coming in, as sanjay can tell you, that's going to increase. volume is going to be one of the first places we see the apex we're talking about, it's not
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fair. your contract is with the city. you know who my brother is. you know he's aware of that. that's why he's fighting for ppe and talk to federal government who say it's all great and states should have it handled. you're proof of that, not fair to you or your family. >> this is what i don't understand, chris. you've looked into the supply chain problem closer than any of us. hurricane katrina we were complaining about not enough body bags, refrigerated trucks, prepositioned supplies. i get in 2009, they didn't replenish the stockpile, i get that. but this administration has had three years, they were warned, everybody knew. we've talked about pandemics. sanjay and i were talking about the next pandemic. we've all known it's going to happen and happen again.
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yet to hear anyone from the federal government explaining where is the equipment, where is it actually being made and why -- it's now been two months. lost month of february, now all the month of march. where is the equipment that's supposedly in the pipeline? you hear all these factories are building it but there's no timeline. >> they'll say right now fdny is good right now, don't need any more. no, she doesn't have enough right now. we all see the stories circulating of people in the hospital saying i have to quit my job. don't have masks in the icu. people know it's b.s. nobody's being fooled by this. america is watching news right now obsessively. there's nothing else to do. nothing else that matters more. and none of it adds up.
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you don't have to be a paramedic on the front lines to know it. something's not making sense, everybody is saying they're doing everything and everybody doing the stuff knows we don't have enough. makes no sense. >> got to be particularly frustrating for aline. even if they didn't fill the stockpile, lots of conversations about that. but we were asking about ventilators and personal protective equipment since january. now three months later, forget about the stockpile for a second. these last three months have been a waste, as well. got to be infuriating for you aline. >> i bet you if aline were in charge of the federal government would be waving that national production act all over the place, going to every big company, saying who can make ventilators right now? who wants the contract? >> aline, what's your take on all this? >> life, this is definitely a matter of life and death. this is not -- i have a very dear friend of mine who has
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fallen so ill that he's on a respirator, put on it today. i'm asking the world for prayers for him. >> what's his name? >> his name is carlos pelisa. he's a navy man, 14 years with us here in the fire department. great man. i pray that his family and all of our fdny family understands how this is a big problem and this is only going to get worse and we don't have what we need. we do not. we're far from it. we're all scared, and we're all going to work scared. >> aline, my heart goes out to
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you. i hope you get better soon and your husband, and i hope your family remains safe. and your -- yeah, i just, entire family of paramedics and emts and firefighters, just wish you -- got to keep doing what you're doing, get better. we all need you, we're all in this together. thank you so much for everything. >> thank you for what you do, aline, thank you. >> thank you, feel better. >> best to the babies. >> thank you, yours as well. >> thank you, we'll talk later. streets of los angeles are eerily empty as many streets are because of the coronavirus. talk next with mayor eric garcetti, and a physician talks about virus testing and why there are varying times to get results. you know, new customers save over $1,000 on average
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since we began this hour of the broadcast, 35 minutes ago, at least four more americans have died. total 1,423. single most people to die -- most people to die in a single day in the united states. pandemic is not limited to hot spots in the northeast and other parts of the country but threatening los angeles are mayor eric garcetti saying nonessential businesses staying open could have water and electricity cut off. thanks for being with us. how is the city doing tonight? where are you in this? >> we're strong, i think we're steeled, and we're scared. that's the honest answer, last few days most as we had in first 23 days of the crisis. we went early with the physical distancing and this week, face covering, it's showing flattening of the curve.
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still going to be increase of the cases. 11 days behind new york in per capita deaths and 14 days in cases. right now just doing everything we can to abide this, enforce it, and show love for one another in difficult moment. >> say it a lot, it's cliche, we're all in this together, and it's true. blessing and curse. all in this together, can help each other. all in this together, if somebody else not doing their part, hurts us all. when you look around the united states, see states without stay-at-home orders in place, president saying those places aren't in jeopardy, scientifically that doesn't make any sense to me. >> it's unthinkable, anderson, on a phone call with 200-plus mayors two weeks ago, had taken 60% of our actions, on the verge
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of going all the way. i told all of them, adopt the stay-at-home order now. doesn't matter if you don't have a single case. dear friend, mayor of topeka, kansas, before they had a verified case, a week later did that. can't build a moat around your country, there's no force field preventing virus from coming in. we have to take the measures quickly as possible. no one is going to fault you for going too quick but lives lost. by the time it feels right, it's too late. >> you recommended wearing nonsurgical face masks earlier this week, ahead of the federal government. how did you decide that was important for virus prevention? >> and calling it face coverings. we need to protect and reserve
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for our employees. it was heart wrenching listening to the paramedic you interviewed. we have the same situation here, only a couple of weeks of supply. in czech republic and taiwan and other places there was guidance and everybody said can't stop any virus from coming through, including covid-19. but it will stop droplets and not to protect you but protect others from you. especially people who are asymptomatic but may be contagious. if it helps 1%, anderson, isn't that life worth protecting? let alone 5% or 10%. kept waiting for this. like many things, cities have been leading, unafraid to do this. looking at history, 100 years ago, everybody who acted swiftly with the spanish flu came out of this quicker with fewer deaths. anybody still waiting or biding their time, thinking it's partisan or blue/red state thing, get over yourself and do
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it. save lives now. >> do you have any sense -- nobody has an answer for the timeline of this. but one of the things that concerns me, not immediate concern, but draws out through the summer and cold weather comes around and there's another wave of it. to think that long ahead is almost exhausting, find myself thinking just focus day to day, week to week. as leader how do you think about this? >> trying to speak the truth every evening in nightly address to my city. early on, said going to be a couple of weeks? i said no, going to be at least two months, if we're successful there will be a spike in late fall, early winter. that's how viruses work. we better have the equipment, personnel, steel ourselves for second and maybe third round for this. but also be nimble enough to know we're not going to flip a switch and turn the economy back on.
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but people who have been through this, get blood tests and other things, can we feather people back into the economy. there's so much going on there, health officials say this can be done when we have the ability to test and certify people. we'll come in and out of this. life probably won't be fully back to normal 18 months. not to say stay at home close to 18 months, but listen to the professionals and go back indoors occasionally for the older people especially. >> it's going to be rapid and fast to get to all of the people. >> appreciate all you're doing, thank you. >> thank you, anderson. strength and love. testing for the coronavirus has expanded greatly past two or three weeks. if it hadn't, would be a crime. time it takes to get results can vary.
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joining me now is dr. rishi desai, and chief medical officer of the health education platform. thanks for being with us. vice president pence again painted a rosy picture about coronavirus testing, saying 1.4 million tests have been performed across the country and thousands of machines can perform 15-minute test, still made no mention of testing hard to get for americans who need it. talk about the importance of testing. people think that was a last month problem. >> yeah, no, it was a month, last month problem that needed a last month solution, it just never came. i just went to the cdc website. it shows testing by day. march 17th it peaked, highest number tested. after that it went back down.
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why is that? roughly 12,000 to 10,000? now we have private companies doing testing. went from situation without adequate testing but we knew data about it. now we think we have more testing because private industry has come in to do it but we have no data on that, we're reliant on essentially hearsay. on the ground we don't have testing at levels we need it at. some states and counties think they don't have cases, i bet they do, just don't have testing to proof they don't or do. we just don't know. >> dr. fauci or dr. birx, hear them talking about the states not in jeopardy, nonsensical, scientists say that's an opportunity for these states to use time when they don't have cases they know about to do extensive testing and contact
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tracing. but when you ask fauci is it happening? and he said no, not to the degree. it needs to happen in those states. even in the respite they think they have, they're not making most of it. and testing by cdc going down is more evidence of that. >> exactly. each day is lives lost. be very clear about that. every single day, every minute is lives lost, as you just pointed out. if that's the case, we need to use every minute going forward to figure out solutions around testing, widespread testing available and get the data back to track that data. and it's not happening. >> and just saying with the mayor. even essential once this seems on the downward slope to come out of lockdowns, we need that
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data to understand who and where and how to come out of lockdowns and who and where and when to maybe go back into it if it resurges. >> here's the awesome thing about testing, there's different tests, rtpcr looking for virus rna, pathogen causing the disease. and serology testing, could be unsung hero here. if we can know who had it and is now immune to it, those are the people that may be able to get back out into the economy. talk about health care workers, just had a segment that was poignant about a health care worker on the front lines, what if we can get resistant or immune health care workers back on the front lines? we still need to protect people. we can figure it out with serology as well. >> appreciate what you're doing. thank you very much. what sailors did today for navy captain after being removed from command after sounding alarm about coronavirus being onboard his ship. that when we continue.
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now the center of the national discussion, but decisions on how they're used and when they're not is fast approaching. here's cnn senior investigative correspondent drew given. >> reporter: the horrifying pictures from inside new york hospitals show patients hooked up to the only machines keeping them alive. when the virus takes over the lungs, ventilators take over the breathing. without them immediately when needed, prognosis is dim. >> it's bad. you can watch a patient go from breathing room air to 72 hours so far, hospitals have kept bas pace but barely. put out a video on treating two patients with one ventilator. >> you obviously wouldn't do it unless you were in dire circumstances. >> but the dire circumstances are here. states and the federal government are in a bidding war for ventilators made in china. >> we can't get any more
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ventilators. >> and it is time, now, to prepare for what may be the inevitable. this article in the new england journal of medicine was written to prepare doctors in the event they must choose who gets a lifesaving ventilator and who does not. robert truge is one of the authors. >> many hospitals have these in place. so i think that it's going to be extremely difficult. >> unbelievably difficult for those physicians who have to make the call. >> that's right. and, of course, the families and patients, as well. these are life-and-death decisions. and it's going to cause a tremendous amount of suffering, if we get there. >> the decision, who lives, who die dies would come down to a point system. patients diagnosed with copd, any chronic lung or illness would be eligible for care but
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score lower than those who are, otherwise, healthy with a potential longer life to live. the points will determine what's in the best interest of society, not just the individual. >> everybody is eligible. but, beyond that point, then it does come down to giving it to those people where we're either going to save the most number of lives or the most number of life years. and, yes, it does mean that people with other severe illnesses will receive a lower priority score. >> in new orleans, where the virus is predicted to get even worse, there are enough ventilators now. but, within days, they could be out. >> and then, after that, you begin having very challenging conversations about how you allocate and you think about which patient would benefit the most. and that's a horrifying place for anyone to be in. and it would, certainly, be a damning indictment of our country. >> drew, they were making -- talking about making these decisions in italy more than a month ago.
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-let id the idea that now we're talking about that here is just horrifying. are the doctors who may have to make these decisions the same doctors who are treating the patients? >> by design, no. so the people who are caring for these patients would step aside. and then the designated physician of that hospital would step in and make this horrendous call. and, anderson, what is so infuriating about this is we were warned about this. you know, cnn dug up ten different government reports from 2013 to 2015, all predicting that if we had a pandemic just like the one we're having, the united states would not have enough ventilators on hand and here we are. anderson. >> drew griffin. thanks. the navy says nearly 140 crew serving on board the aircraft carrier have tested for coronavirus. this, after its captain was relieved of his command because he sounded the alarm, precisely, about the coronavirus on board. take a look at this. as he left his ship in guam, his
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sailors cheered for him. they are cheering in support of him. cnn pentagon correspondent bar ba sta bra starr joins me now. so, barbara, why exactly was the captain relieved of his duty? >> according to the navy, anderson, he was relieved for two basic reasons. he failed to adhere to the so-called chain of command when he had this letter expressing his very deep worries about the health of the 4,000 sailors on board, he didn't go directly to his boss. but he sent an e-mail, a letter, to a wide range of people. and then it leaked to the news media and let's face it, the navy got embarrassed and thought too much information had gone out. they said he should've gone right to his boss. and as a result of all of that, basically, the charge against him, so to speak, is loss of confidence. the navy secretary said he just didn't have the confidence in
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the captain to continue to command the ship. that he didn't think he could be guaranteed that he could make good decisions, if he made this bad decision to tell about what was happening in battle, perhaps. look. you only have to look at what happened with that crew as he left the command of the ship. they threw the notion of social distancing to the wind. word swept through the ship that he was leaving at that time, and sailors rushed to the deck to give him the sendoff that they felt he deserved. anderson. >> i mean, also, isn't -- i mean, this is a huge ship with extraordinary powers. the idea that -- i mean, they certainly had a lot of faith in him when they put him in command of this vessel. the idea they had loss confidence, just coincidentally, after this letter surfaces seems odd. >> well, you know, military culture -- and that's what you're talking about here -- is that when the top boss says he loses confidence in you, there's really no appeal of that. but, look, this is really far
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from over. we already have several democrats in congress calling for an investigation. the navy says it's going to start its own investigation. and that's a very interesting thing. preliminary investigation. the results, already, will be due on monday. >> all right. barbara starr, we'll be right back. thank you.
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auctions going on right now, so what are you waiting for? and this week with some very map happy news. dr. leana wen, in fact, she is often a guest on our cnn global town halls on the coronavirus. she was with us just last night. well, fast forward 24 hours, we are happy to announce dr. wen is now the prod mom of a beautiful baby girl. isabel wen walker. that is mother and child who are doing just fine. technically, i guess, isabel wen-walker was a guest on the
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last show as well. because -- well, she wasn't present. well, i guess she was present. anyway, dr. wen, congratulations to you and your family. extraordinary. bit of happiness on a difficult day. news continues. let's turn it over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." >> this is "cnn tonight" i am don lemon. here's our breaking news. more than a quarter of a million cases of coronavirus in this country. over 276,900. more than 7,000 deaths, right now. more than 1,400, just today. more than a quarter of a million americans are sick, and more than 7,000 have died. so, tonight-l, the president announced new cdc guidelines urging americans to wear face coverings in public. the masks are important, not to protect yourself but, to protect others if you are asymptomatic and, unknowingly, carrying the virus. it is really important advice. advice that co