there is a lot to get to tonight. some potentially positive signs in new york, the epicenter of the fight to save infected people and plenty of continued warnings about difficult days and deaths ahead. we are going to get to all of that. the white house coronavirus task force press briefing ended a short while ago. and if you tuned into it hoping to hear from the country's top scientist, you were likely disappointed. what we mostly heard was the president. what we saw was a hijacking. a hijacking of the task force press conference by a president determined to rewrite the

history of his early and r reprehensibly response to this virus. what the president showed us today is what the nation's top scientists have to deal with every day. a president who now uses these briefings as a re-election platform. an opportunity to lie, to deflect, to attack, to bully, and cover up his own deadly dismissle dismissals of the virus for crucial weeks. according to the president today, governors are getting everything they need and testing has always been great. reporters who asked questions and didn't suck up to this president but belittled. career official of hhs, who he doesn't even know who released a nonpolitical study with doctors and hospitals across the country describing the lack of supplies and insufficient testing and mixed messages they have been getting from the federal government. all things that have been reported on. i just have to point out, this is not normal. and it matters because this is life and death. if you look at the chart, by the

way, that the white house showed to show the extensiveness of the testing, you'll notice their statistics do not begin until march 5th. february was a lost month, and people died because of that. and the numbers tested do not begin to appreciably rise on their own chart until more than halfway through the month of march. that's how late it was. nonetheless, this is the victory the administration is repeatedly claiming. this is what the president is clinging to. claiming that testing is -- always has been great. it hasn't. still not. hospitalization rates and fatalities expected to increase dramatically from the coronavirus. president trump, however, spoke again today of light at the end of the tunnel. no word on how long that tunnel may be or how dim the light currently is. there are some positive trends. but as new jersey's governor today said, this is no time to take our foot off the gas. the number of dead in this country passed the 10,000 mark today. the current number's 10,781. the number of cases, 364,723.

even if a peak is reached and past in one area, the administration has said it expects rolling peaks, at least through next month. just tonight, los angeles county health officials urge residents to not go grocery shopping this week, if they can. one reason the president can even speak of a light at the end of the tunnel, social distancing and the stay-at-home orders that most states have implemented. another state, today, issued a stay-at-home order. south carolina. that brings the total number of americans under such an order, total percentage, to 97% of the country. still, seven states that don't have an order in place. arkansas, nebraska, south dakota, utah, wyoming. we should note dr. anthony fauci said iowa and nebraska have instituted rules very similar to stay at home orders. the other threat tonight, the threat to our front line defenders and hospitals that have tested positive for the virus. and supplies governors say they must outbid each other for.

illinois's governor said today, what he is getting from the federal stockpile is quote a mere fraction of what we asked for. tonight, president trump paints a far different picture. everything states want is already there for the most part. quote, they are a 're happy. every one of them. erica hill joins us now. erica. >> i can tell you one thing that may make the government of this state and other states happier would be stricter social distancing. that has been hammered home, as you just pointed out. and while we are seeing some glimmer of hope here in new york, what was made clear by this governor and several other officials today is that this threat is far from over. 250 beds at the meadowlands in new jersey. 2,500 each at chicago's mccormick place exposition center. the navy hospital ship comfort now accepting covid patients, as well. the two facilities acting as

relief valves for the state's hospitals, as new york's death toll continues to rise. though, more slowly. >> while none of this is good news, the flattening, possible flattening, of the curve is better than the increases that we have seen. >> the cdc, today, warning the country's death toll could be higher because data is lagging by as much as two weeks. as a new york city councilman tweets, the city may need to bury victims in parks because morgues and trailers outside hospitals are reaching capacity. that's not happening at the moment. though, mark lavine's staff says it is part of a contingency plan, which seemed to catch the governor by surprise. >> i have heard a lot of wild rumors. but i have not heard anything about the city burying people in parks. >> around the country, communities adapting and bracing for what the surgeon general

cautions will be the hardest and saddest week yet. >> this is going to be our pearl harbor moment. our 9/11 moment. only, it's not going to be localized. it's going to be happening all over the country. >> in new orleans, mortuaries and morgues are at capacity. louisiana's governor says they could run out of ventilators and beds by the end of the week. officials in new york warn they may have even less time and resources. >> the numbers that we're really watching is still the number of hospital admissions. the numbers that are going into the icu and, eventually, on ventilators. and we're not seeing a decrease in those numbers, yet. those are the numbers that are really going to strain our healthcare system. >> meantime, a new government watchdog report finds, quote, severe, widespread shortages of critical supplies across the country, adding to the strain. and the report says those shortages are making it harder for hospitals to test and protect their staff. the government adding new travel

restrictions for all cruise ship passengers and crew arriving in the u.s. no longer allowed on commercial flights and subject to a mandatory 14-day quarantine. a third passenger from the coral princess, now docked in miami, has died. in new jersey, a mother and icu doctor is recovering from the virus. anxious to hold the children she wasn't sure she'd see again. dr. julie john even made them a good-bye video. >> i just wanted to tell my kids that they are the most important thing in the world to me. i love you and i want to be there. but if i can't be amazing, be nice. and then i just -- that -- that's the most important thing, right? when you're -- when you can't breathe, i thought of my children and how i can say good-bye in the best way. >> what's the latest update from governor cuomo on the amount of ventilators the state has? >> so he said when he was asked

about that today, anderson, basically, everybody is running low on everything. they are over capacity. in some cases, they are splitting ventilators. but what he did say is no one that has come to him to say i have a critical need has not got one. he said 802 were sent to new york city. that number, he said, was based on what he was told was needed. and those were shipped in for the 11 public hospitals here. he also said this flex surge questionnaire essentially they have been doing with hospitals around the state every night to figure out what's needed has really helped. and they have been shifting around the state, as needed. >> erica hill, thanks very much. we are going to get to the politics in a moment but first want to talk about some developments in the fight. want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta. so, sanjay, dr. fauci mentioned this evening life may never again, and certainly not before there is a vaccine, be back to normal. i mean, that's his job. to give the public an unvarnished accounting

regardless of what the president's saying. i wonder what you make of what he said. >> yeah. i mean, that's a bit jarring to hear, for sure. i think the question was, as you point out anderson, could life return to normal before a vaccine came out? you know, i think the point dr. fauci was making was that there's going to be a lot of sort of a hangover effect from this whole thing. you know, in terms of how people may still be a little cautious. until -- if the virus is still circulating to some extent. i think as we get therapies that are, you know, proven to be effective, everybody on the planet is hoping that we find therapies like that, which would come a lot faster than the vaccine. that it will start to, you know, return to a more normal sort of sense of what we were experiencing several months ago. but, anderson, as we have talked about, there's going to be no sort of all-clear flag waved around this. it's going to be a sort of slow roll back into life. people are -- there is still going to be a fair amount of psychological effect from this i

think even aside from the physical effect. i think it's something dr. fauci's talked about for a while. lookment you and look, you and i have covered a lot of stories. nothing quite like this. it is amazing to me how quickly people do move on, ultimately. as -- as tough as this has been right now, i have to say -- you know, not to disagree with dr. fauci at all of course. but i think people do ultimately bounce back and i think that will happen here as well. >> on saturday, governor cuomo said, in his opinion, people will be able to start to go back to work when there is a testing program that can be, in his words, brought to scale. i mean, is the united states even close to that? >> no, i don't think we're close to that. and, you know, the sort of test that governor cuomo was talking about, as you know, anderson, is this serology test or also known as an antibody test. and it's looking for the cells in your body that are generated in response to your exposure to the virus. so when you fight the virus, you

make these antibodies. you can test for those antibodies. we're not at scale yet. there is an emergency authorization that was put in place last thursday to allow one company to start doing this. the ambassador came out today and said, hey, look, there is a lot of basically bad companies out there, as well. my colleague, elizabeth cohen, was reporting on that today as well. saying, you know, beware a little bit. there's going to be a lot of people out there saying we got the antibody test. there's not really one out there besides this one that's under an emergency authorization. so we're absolutely not there yet. but we will get there. and -- and i will tell you, anderson, i think the antibody test is -- is -- is a big deal, just for the same reasons we were just talking about. once people have some confidence that they have these antibodies. they have some confidence that they may be protected. we don't know how long they'll be protected yet. but i think it's going to go a long way, not only towards the physical part of this but also, again, the psychological part of this. which is something we need to be talking about more and more. just the anxiety around this that's preventing people from doing things.

when you get a test result like that, hey, i was exposed. i didn't even really know it. i didn't get that sick. but, now, i'm inoculated or essentially immunized against this. i think, you know, first, frontline workers and then other essential workers and other people will feel more comfortable about getting back to work. >> and i mean, do we know for a fact that once you've had it, you are -- you said essentially inoculated against it? >> that's -- that's a fair point, anderson. we don't know that yet, for sure. i mean, dr. fauci has said he's basically convinced that's the case. but, you know, until we can actually -- you know, we're 3 1/2 months into this. until we can actually look at this data a little bit more long-term, we won't know for sure. but this is a coronavirus, if it behaves like other coronaviruses have in the past and other viruses, for that matter, once you are exposed to it, you should have some -- some protection. and also, you know, unlike the flu virus, anderson, which has this what's called antigenic drift.

it sort of mutates essentially a little bit every year, which is why you need a flu flu shot every year. so far, this novel coronavirus that causes covid-19 seems to be relatively stable. so that's good. so if you get exposed to it, you should have those antibodies that protect you against that -- that -- that virus that is staying stable. >> sanjay, stay with us. i want to bring in cnn's white house correspondent kaitlan collins. kaitlan, the president was asked this evening about test results and availability. and i just want to play some of what he said. >> when can hospitals expect to receive a quick turnaround of the test results? >> are you ready? are you ready? hospitals can do their own testing, also. states can do their own testing. states are supposed to be doing testing. hospitals are supposed to be doing testing. do you understand that? we're the federal government. listen. we're the federal government. we're not supposed to stand on street corners doing testing. they go to doctors. they go to hospitals. they go to the state. the state is a more localized government. you have 50 of them.

and they can go 50 -- within -- you also have territories, as you know. and they do the testing. and if you look at the chart, if you take a look, they'll put it up. yeah. just take a look. and these are testing and the results are now coming in very quickly. initially speaking, the tests were old, obsolete, and not really prepared. we have a brand new testing system that we developed very quickly. and that's your result. and you should say congratulations, great job, instead of being so horrid in the way you ask a question. >> first of all, it's not reporters' jobs to say congratulations to any politician. but with this -- when it came to testing, this is what he said when he was visiting the cdc just last month. i just want to play this. >> anybody that wants a test can get a test. >> so which is it? i mean -- i mean -- >> testing has been the number one failure of the response to

this, so far. if the president knows that, his aides know that, they do not make any secret of that. it's something that is well-known inside the white house. but you are seeing, today, the president insisting essentially that testing is fine. it's something he's been saying for a few days now. they are going pretty far by saying that it's the states' responsibilities to make sure that they can test people, even though, of course, the federal government has played such a large role in this. and, of course, we do know that testing has ramped up. we've seen these rapid test -- the abbott labs one that can give you results in 15 minutes or less -- start to come out. but it's still uneven access to those tests. and you are still seeing healthcare providers saying that as testing is ramping up, another issue that they're seeing is a backlog in getting the results. and that causes even more problems because we already know there's a shortage of ppe, that protective gear, that they're wearing. but when people come into hospitals, they think they could have coronavirus. they still haven't gotten the results back. they are still treating those people like they could potentially have coronavirus. and the other thing that we're hearing from hospital providers is that they are saying they're also running low on the supplies that they need to actually test

people. so it is very far from the truth to say that testing is fine and adequate at this point. and state officials have made clear, and so have people inside the administration to the president, that it's still something they're working on. >> kaitlan, i know the answer to this question. but i mean, is there anybody around the president who has suggested that, maybe, he either should not take part in the coronavirus task force briefings? he could have his own separate briefings. but i mean there is a lot of people who tune in wanting to hear from scientists, and just wanting scientific information that can help them and their families be healthy and stay alive and get a sense of what's coming down the pike. or even have the president not try to use this as a platform for re-election. but it's incredibly frustrating, i think for a lot of people watching this, the way the president is using this and hijacking these coronavirus task force briefing every day. >> yeah. i'm sure there are people inside the administration who would prefer if the president did not

spend over an hour at the lectern answering those questions. but, often, it's the president's idea to come out there. like yesterday, there was no briefing scheduled. it was the president who decided he wanted to hold a briefing. he often picks who is going to be going out to some of those briefings. like yesterday, of course you saw dr. fauci, dr. birx, outsider out there alongside the president. and he likes these briefings. he once even moved a briefing i think it was originally scheduled for 4:30 and a source told me he wanted it moved to primetime. so they had it moved to 6:00. so he is viewing these things as you would expect the president to view these things. through the lens of ratings and whatnot. seeing these briefings. and he's even talked about that on twitter. so it's not necessarily always a channel of information for the president to get out latest developments there because often you see him come out today, repeat things he said before. he takes a few questions and then leaves the room and lets the vice president and doctors and the admiral answer questions about stock, shortages, testing,

things of that nature, and what's going on there. >> i mean, the president was -- was bullying, you know, belittling, combative. i want to play another exchange when he was asked about the inspector general's report from his own department of the hhs department, health and human services. let's watch. >> how long has that person been in government? >> did serve in the previous administration. >> oh, you didn't tell me that. oh, i see. you didn't tell me that, john. you didn't tell me that they served in the previous -- you mean the obama administration. thank you for telling me. see, there's a typical fake news deal. now, look. look. >> i told you when she was appoint appointed. >> you're a third-rate reporter and what you just said is a disgrace. okay? you asked me, you said, sir, just got appointed. take a look at what you said now. i said when did they -- when did this person -- how long in government? well, it was appointed in the obama administration. thank you very much, john. thank you very much. you will never make it. go ahead, please.

>> on the -- >> i mean, first of all, she wasn't appointed in the obama administration. actually, 1999 apparently is when this person's career started and the idea that he is waiting for jonathan carl to inform him about a top official at hhs, he doesn't even know who these people are. >> yeah. and the question before that had been asking about this report. and instead of responding to the report and what it found about these shortages in hospitals, because they interviewed hundreds of hospitals across 46 states, the president asked who the inspector general was. not what the report said or how they would respond. and, anderson, when you read the report, you actually see at the beginning, they stress to say this isn't a criticism of the handling, so far. it's basically a tool so you can help handle this better as you move forward. and if you read it, it's actually some pretty devastating stuff. talking about how, in some hospitals, they are going to nail salons and auto body shops to get masks and scrounge up materials that they need because they're facing shortages. and so the president's combative tone there. i do want to point out the admiral got up at one point.

he's been streamlining a lot of the shortages and the supplies and what's going on. he was talking about only testing. saying that the inspector general should have come to him about that because they ramped up testing when they were conducting these surveys of these hospitals. but, anderson, it's not just about testing. it's also talking about a lack of protective gear, a lack of hospital beds, staffing shortages, logistical challenges. things of that nature. but, likely, why the president was so agitated by a question about the inspector general. you have to look at what he did on friday night when he fired the intelligence community inspector general because that is the person who turned over that whistle-blower complaint to congress. that, of course, led to his impeachment. >> yeah. of course. it's prevention. and we'll watch and see what happens to this official from hhs. kaitlan, thanks very much. we should also point out the study i talked to somebody who was involved with the study earlier today. it was a very specific set amount of time. as kaitlan said, they did hundreds of interviews with doctors and hospitals across the country. wasn't some political study. just ahead, i will speak with senate minority leader chuck

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trump's only target in that news conference. he attacked senator schumer as well. in fact, he said senator schumer was personally to blame for not being prepared for the virus. joining me now, senate minority leader chuck schumer. president trump called you a lightweighted disgrace. lying. rewriting his own history. where does it tell you about where he is on this? >> well, his attacks don't phase me, anderson. i am trying to get something done. i hear from so many different new yorkers, how they can't get the protective materials, the ppes, the gloves, the masks, the tests even still, the ventilators that they need. i hear from hospital executives who are spending hours of their time hunting and pecking. calling private companies. calling foreign countries to try and get the stuff they need. so what i did two weeks ago, i called the president and i said why don't you invoke the defense production act? that is an act that was passed in the truman administration during the korean war to allow the president to invoke -- to have the military take over the

factories and the supply chains. and, even more importantly, distribute the materials where they are needed. and i told the president we needed a strong military person to do that. someone with a lot of experience. the military knows command and control. they know logistics. >> he attacked you about that again, today. saying thaup saying that you wanted a military person. saying he's got plenty of military people around. >> well, that's the point. it's not plenty. you need one person in charge. right now, in the white house, and they're trying their best, but you have many different people in many different directions. nobody knows who, exactly, to listen to. and, anderson, the proof of the pudding's on the ground. it's not just me. president said the governors are happy with them. the front page of the "new york times," the governor's criticizing him. the deputy inspector general put out a report today saying how bad it is. the facts are it's bad. and all i am trying to do is improve their system in a way that most experts who look at

this have said it will work. it will get the materials where they're needed, on time, and, you know, as the crisis -- in new york, we're in crisis now. but it's going to spread to other places. and the lack of a single command-and-control organization to get the places -- to get the materials where they're needed is going to get -- it's going to make situation even worse. >> i know i read that you reached out to the -- the new chief of staff, mark meadows. but i mean, given the president's comments today, it doesn't seem like he's inclined to appoint somebody to be a czar on getting supplies. >> well, anderson, this is sort of life and death. and so i'm going to keep trying. i've spoken to the vice president. he was very respectful. i spoke to the chief of staff several times. he was respectful and listened to what i had to say. you know, hope springs eternal. maybe in the private moments in the white house, they can convince the president that this is needed because, a, the present system isn't working. b, you have too many people in charge. and, c, most of the experts say

this is just what's needed. what they're doing is not working. >> well, also, i mean, testing, which the president now says is perfect and everything's great. that remains incredibly important. not just testing to see who may have the virus. but, also, it's going to become, you know, testing for -- to see who had the virus and that, potentially may be able to go back to work, may have other antibodies that can help other people. that whole system still needs to be ramped up. and it's going to be part of the recovery, just as much as it was supposed to be part of the early days of this. >> you can't have a giant scavenger hunt where 5,000 different groups and people are looking for the same supplies, and bidding against each other. you need command and control. you need a czar in charge. i think a military person would be the right person. in fact, i gave to mark meadows last night, three names of people who had done this extremely well in the military. they're nonpolitical people. and if the president would choose one of them and say get this done, you have my full backing, i think the system would improve.

but, so far, all i can do is keep trying. and keep going forward because i think it's so important and it's the right thing to do. as do many governors, as does the inspector general, as do most of the experts. >> the other frustrating thing is nobody can give you a clear answer on, okay, fine, there's not enough masks. by this date, there's going to be this number of masks done. by this date, there's going to be this number of, you know, face shields available. there's no sense they'll -- they'll endlessly tell you details of this factory's going to make 2,000 over here. and we talk to other people who are going to do this. where is -- where is the timeline? where's the schedule? >> there's not -- that's why you need a central figure in command and control because they don't have a timeline. and it's all -- it's a little bit too much ad hoc. it's gotten a little better. but it's got a long way to go. and the situation, as we get more crises cities and centers in the country, it's going to get worse. so all i can do is try to get something done because i think

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us from london. what do we know about his condition? he entered the hospital after like, what, ten days of having the virus? >> yeah, he did. it's a very serious situation right now, anderson. there's no doubt about it. i mean, people in this country are genuinely concerned. some of the prime minister's staunchest political rivals have been sending messages of support wishing him well. what we know in the last update we have was about six hours or so ago when officials at downing street said the prime minister was conscious when he was taken into the icu. he was taken in as a precautionary measure in case he needed to be intubated and put on a ventilator. but i think people are concerned because they don't feel downing street has provided perhaps full clarity on the situation because it was only 24 hours ago when he was taken to hospital. then they said it wasn't an emergency. that he was going in for routine tests. that it was a precautionary step. but even just a couple of hours

before the announcement that he'd been moved into icu, senior government officials weren't giving a direct accounting of what was happening to the prime minister. you wouldn't expect medical details but the questions were, well, the prime minister is still in control of the country. that's the government's message. so why is he taking up a bed in hospital? these beds are much needed. so there's been a lot of scrutiny placed on that. and a lot of questions asked. >> yeah. >> but, absolutely, everyone now understands it's genuinely a serious situation, anderson. >> sanjay, what do you -- what do you make of this? >> well, look, this does follow this pattern, anderson, that we've seen. you know, people who are diagnosed. i think some ten days went by. and they're sort of, you know, they're doing okay. have symptoms, certainly, but then for some reason, around this time period, you know, 9, 10, 11 days, they start to have a decline. you know, typically, it's some shortness of breath and some other breathing problems. he was admitted to the hospital, as nic was just talking about. they say it was for routine testing. but, look, that's a serious

decision to admit someone to the hospital in the middle of a pandemic. as nic mentioned, hospital beds, premium icu beds are even harder to come by and obviously ventilators. you know, if someone is being sent to the icu, there's typically just a couple of reasons why. one is for additional monitoring or this abundance of caution, which may be the case with the prime minister. typically, it's because, look, they think there is a real chance he may need some breathing support with a ventilator. sometimes it could be, you know, something to do with the heart, as well. but, you know, there's no reason to necessarily suspect that here. so, you know, deciding to place the prime minister on a breathing machine, obviously, a big decision. when people have been placed on these breathing machines, it's -- it's -- it's a time period, then, that they're going to be on these machines. in new york, the average length has been, you know, some 11-12 days of needing breathing support. it's a serious illness. you know, so right now, they got to figure out exactly what's going on. is this just the virus has replicated so much that it's

causing these problems? is it -- is it the prime minister's own immune system that is causing these problems? but, as nic mentioned, it is concerning no matter how you look at it. >> sanjay, when somebody -- and i am not talking about this case in particular -- but are there figures of when somebody is placed on a ventilator, how many people, you know, make it off the ventilator and -- and -- and survive? i am trying to get a -- do you know? >> with the coronavirus -- >> not related to this particular case. >> yeah. with coronavirus in general, there have been a lot of studies on this and i have been evaluating studies and looking at them. look. some of them are pretty grim, i will tell you, suggesting even as few as 20% of people will come off ventilators. but there's been several studies and what i will tell you is the range i have seen is anywhere from around 40 to 80% of people, you know, will -- will -- will -- yeah -- not be able to come off the ventilator. so it's significant. again, as you said, every case

is going to be different. so i'd hate to sort of, you know, suggest that about the prime minister in any way. >> no, of course. >> but i think it's safe to say it's a serious illness, at that point. that people develop a respiratory distress-type symptom. the lungs, sometimes, as a result of different things that are happening in the body, they just become hard. it's like a dry sponge. think of it like that. you put some detergent on that dry sponge. it's -- you are able to -- to squeeze and contract it well. if it's stiff, no matter how good the ventilator is, it's hard to actually make it do what you want it to do. >> sanjay, well, let's hope for the best for the prime minister and for all those people right now in hospitals. sanjay, thank you. nic robertson, as well. up next, breaking news from "the washington post" on where president trump is getting his medical advice. you might be surprised. but, then again, you actually might not be. allergies with nasal congestion make it feel impossible to breathe. get relief behind the counter with claritin-d. claritin-d improves nasal airflow 2x more than the leading allergy spray at hour 1.

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"the washington post." some insight on backdoor medical advice president trump is receiving about an anti-malarial drug he and his allies can say could help with covid-19. others say it's untested for this purpose and could have serious side effects, though potentially could be promising. actually, one of the hundreds of medications being looked at. but there is no definitive testing, no definitive studies that say it works for coronavirus. the source, in this, is an anchor of his favorite news

channel. here, by phone, to explain is one of the reporters who broke the story. "washington post" white house reporter and cnn political analyst josh dawsey. so explain the president and hydroxychloroquine and how he is getting medical advice. >> the president has heard from allies. rudy giuliani, some of his favorite hosts, including laura ingram, who was in the white house on friday. she brought two of the doctors on her medical cabinet on television and the head of the fda, steven han, was summoned to the oval office and listened to the presentation on the drug and why they thought it would be useful. we've seen as a sign that pressure wthe president was putting pressure in. he is now touting -- to anyone who will listen at any time. >> wait a minute. so the president of the united states called the head of the fda in to listen and be briefed

by two doctors, who appear on laura ingram's program about -- >> right. >> wow. and laura ingram, too. >> this has been a fixation in his conversations in recent days. he's talked about this in our reporting, repeatedly, with rudy giuliani, his longtime lawyer. he's called doctors in new york. >> do we know why he is pushing this drug so aggressively? because i mean, there are hundreds of drugs that are actually being looked at by scientists. and there are some studies on this, which show some positive results but they're not peer reviewed. there wasn't a control group in two of the studies. the other was small and inconclusive i believe. >> if you talk to people around the president, they say he has heard anecdotal evidence that these drugs work. and that people in new york are telling them they work. i talked to the head of the hospital association there who tracks closely across the city today. he said the jury's still out. that they're not recommending against the drug. they know a lot of people are

using them. but there is not enough data, as you say. that's repeatedly what dr. fauci has said at the briefings and, privately, in the white house. it's repeatedly what others have said. we don't know if it will be deleterious long-term or not. there's just not enough data. but the president says what do you have to lose? if you talk to advisers like peter navarro, who is a trade advisor, who's kind of become a medical and coronavirus advisor during this period, you know, tonight, he says we don't have time for testing. >> right. he says social scientist but he says that allows him to i guess opine about medical science. anyway, yeah, the thing is there are side effects to this. also, there are patients with lupus who need this. josh dawsey, i appreciate the reporting. it's fascinating. with me now, someone who is fighting the pandemic every day on the front lines. dr. steve core core win. doctor, there's been a lot of back and forth about the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat patients with the virus. what do you make of this?

>> i think just what you said, anderson. there's anecdotal evidence. it's not particularly persuasive. we need randomized clinical trials to determine which of all these potential medications are going to be effective. just giving it to patients and saying they got better does not mean that -- that it's working. the patient could get better on his or her own. patient may get worse if you are giving it at the wrong time during the course of the disease. so i don't find it particularly helpful. many people are getting it prescribed because it's being -- it is fda approved. and they're giving it for an off-label use upon but we really need to study it. we need to understand what drugs are going to be effective against this. i don't think this is the silver bullet, by any stretch of the imagination. >> your hospital's one of the best hospitals in new york. i know -- i know people who work there. it's been all hands on deck. how are things? >> things have been rough the past few weeks. a lot of what the inspector general said are the things that we're struggling with. but, in particular, think of it

this way. we have 4,000 beds in our system. we have, usually, 450 icu beds. we are now separating 750 icu beds and 650 of those 750 patients are covid. and they are universally intubated. meaning they're on a mechanical ventilator. we are going to expand our icu capacity to a thousand beds. converting ors into icus. anesthesia recovery areas into icus. ambulatory operating rooms into icus. and that puts an enormous stress on the system and an enormous stress on the staff. >> you know, the president was attacking the health and human services inspector general today for this report. the report, essentially, was saying what we've all been reporting for a long time. and in the report, they talked to hundreds of hospitals about shortages and problems with testing and all the difficulties with supplies. do you think that report was wrong, in any way? >> i -- i don't. and we -- as you know, we struggled, as a country, with testing early. that allowed for community

spread to take place. that put us really behind the eight ball. and then we had trouble getting the testing up and going. in my hospital system now, we can test everybody coming into the hospital. but we can't universally test everybody in the country. then, we ran into the ppe problem, particularly around the n95 masks. we were worried about the kn95 masks. there were so many that were counterfeit, we think a number of those now are being certified. so that's now better. but now, we're running into a problem with gowns. in terms of the creation of capacity and -- and having ventilators, the ventilators were an issue. we did not anticipate my hospital system, the hospital system in general, did not anticipate a pandemic of this magnitude. we can't make that mistake again. i know the next crisis will be different than this one. but let me just give you a s statistic. pre-crisis, we were using 4,000 masks a day of all sorts. now, we're using 90,000 masks a

day. we never anticipated the need for that supply. so there is a lot of blame that can go around. but part of it is we've got to prepare differently. we have to have a different supply chain. bef' g we have got to think >> also, to be honest, there are worse possible pandemics that could be out there. i mean, there are -- bill gates pointed this out. there are ones that have a lot worse side effects. there are ones that are more easily transmissible, you know, someone leaves a room, you enter the room, you can get the virus. i mean, there's a lot of things that this could be worse that we need to think about in the planning for whatever is down the pike in the future, no? >> we've got to wake up on this. we've got to look at our hospital beds per 100,000. we've got to look at the public health system. the fragility of the supply chain was astonishing to me. we've got to take a look at

that. the strategier stockpile was wholly inadequate. we got to take a look at that. there is a lot of soul searching we have to do once we get over the hump. but i can tell you that we are hoping now to see in new york a flattening. but we're still really in the thick of it. >> one of the things that bill gates talks about, and he did this ted talk in 2015, and we talked live a week or two weeks ago, for tens of billions of dollars, you can actually prepare for the next pandemic, you can set up a system, the vaccines can be made quicker, these things can be studied faster, which seems like a lot of money, until you look at already what this has cost our country, and the globe, suddenly tens of billions of dollars doesn't seem so much. >> no, this is a calamity. millions of people that have lost their jobs, the recession that we're going to go into, the overwhelming and many aspects of what we thought was adequate

reserve within the health care system. so i couldn't agree with you more. i think that it's, you know, we've seen what can happen, and we're going to have to prevent it from happening. interestingly, in all of the models around pandemics, and the sort of scenario planning you do, the first thing that every model assumed was that we would have early and ubiquitous testing, and that put us behind the eight ball on this one. >> a lost month of february. doctor, appreciate all you're doing. >> thanks. >> thanks for having me. >> still ahead, he ran a marathon on every continent including antarctica and he was always there for family and friends and now they're grieving his loss due to the coronavirus. that's next. -excuse me. uh... do you mind...being a mo-tour? -what could be better than being a mo-tour? the real question is...

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tonight we've been talking about the harsh reality of victims or families, medical professionals, are facing every

day on this, one that the virus can strike even the healthiest of people and something my next guest knows all too well, her cousin nick was 51 years old worked for the associated press in new york, had no underlying health problems, take a look at the medals, he ran his 83rd marathon, and last month he contracted the virus and seemed improving until last week. on wednesday he had a setback. the next day, he died. joining me is nick's cousin, risa harms. i'm so sorry for your loss. i know you have a big family and i know your cousin, six or search cousins, you were siblings to each other, you grew up that close to each other. >> nick was the oldest of us and one that our parents told us, you know, we hope you that grow up to be like nick. he was talented, really successful, professionally, and you know, the first generation that was in america, our parents are all from thailand, so he was

kind of our road map for the american dream. >> and i mean nick seemed to be doing okay for a while, yes? >> yes, yes, so you know, he was following all of the order, you know, he had, at the time, he did not require roptization, he, hospitalization, he was well enough to visit his doctor, who checked his vitals, checked his breathing, checked his lungs, and then just a couple of days later, he experienced a setback, and within a day, he felt like he needed to go to the e.r., and then later on that evening, he passed away. >> my gosh. >> yes. >> i understand you got like a tweet or a text message, saying that, or what did it say? >> he was telling us, i'm about to be put on a ventilator, and he's like i'll be going to sleep for who knows how long, i have a

cable man coming so if you could cancel that appointment, you know, he was really prepared to, you know, be in the hospital, but obviously, you know, just to come back, and we felt lucky, i think, he was getting a ventilator, from everything that we had heard, but he ended up not getting on it, he never made it. >> he never made it on to the ventilator? >> right. >> oh, my gosh. >> the pictures, i mean i'm running, running 83 marathons, that's incredible. what a life he led. 51, i used to think it was old when i was a kid, my dad died at 50, i'm 52, and died at 51, what an incredible life he lived. >> he came into running in his 30s. so those 83 were accumulated in that 20 years. and you know, he always lived life to the fullest. and i think that's what we take away from him, is that we, you

know, every opportunity he had to try something new, or to explore given parts of the world, or meet different types of people, he took it. he had nothing left on his bucket list. >> how long had he worked for the associated press? >> his entire professional career. so after he graduated from college. >> and did he travel a lot for it? >> you know, he was based in pennsylvania, and dc, and then new york, so he definitely did some travel for that. but in terms of literally all around the world, his marathons took him there. >> that's amazing. he ran all around the world? >> yes, he did. all seven continents. >> i mean what was running like in antarctica for him? that's incredible. >> well, he said that he took a little, some pit stops to go check out the penguins, so it wasn't a great time, he wasn't running for time. but that was it. he didn't run for time. he ran, he always brought a