know, every opportunity he had to try something new, or to explore given parts of the world, or meet different types of people, he took it. he had nothing left on his bucket list. >> how long had he worked for the associated press? >> his entire professional career. so after he graduated from college. >> and did he travel a lot for it? >> you know, he was based in pennsylvania, and dc, and then new york, so he definitely did some travel for that. but in terms of literally all around the world, his marathons took him there. >> that's amazing. he ran all around the world? >> yes, he did. all seven continents. >> i mean what was running like in antarctica for him? that's incredible. >> well, he said that he took a little, some pit stops to go check out the penguins, so it wasn't a great time, he wasn't running for time. but that was it. he didn't run for time. he ran, he always brought a camera with him, because he

wanted to capture people, the people around him, spectators or skype, you know, it was all about absorbing the moment and remembering the moment. >> it's like a young man, dan elbin said the journey is the destination and it certainly was for him. i'm so sorry for your family, please give your family my thoughts and love, i'm so sorry for your loss. >> thank you. thank you for the opportunity to share his story, anderson. we really appreciate it. >> thank you for talking about him. i wish i had met him. thank you. take care. >> thank you. you too. >> that's it for us. the news continue, i want to hand it over to chris for cuomo prime time. how you are feel requesting? >> doing well. thank god. better than i deserve. there's so much great human potential that we are losing to this virus. every one of them is heart breaking and so important to hear that story. we remember the need, by realizing that people are getting taken so way too soon.

anderson, thank you very much, brother. good to be back with you. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. whether you look to holy woke or passover, both are being interrupted by this pandemic prison. the message of suffering remains every bit as real. a reality that requires as much collective conscious as any article of faith. now, we're going to see things this week that may suggest we're turning a corner. i argue we have to be vigilant not to play to false hope so we have to take a look at the reality behind where we are in the curve, why does it look this way? can there be something false about flattening? we already know that the cure lies in the collective. we are seeing it all over this country. day and day again. personally, you guys have helped me deal in ways big and small. i will never be able to thank you enough. no matter how it goes, we do know this, our way through this, remains just one way. together, as ever, as one.

so let's get at it. we keep telling you this virus can take anybody at any time. not that we need more proof of that, but the u.k. prime minister, boris johnson, put prayers out for him. he is in a very bad way. why? routine tests in london, remember, this is the prime minister, you would think the most sensitive, the most action, the most accountability for his treatment, right? he goes from routine tests to the icu in less than 24 hours. the prime minister's condition is said to have gotten worse since he entered the hospital. he is in the icu as a precaution in case he needs the ventilator. the ventilator is the strongest piece of equipment but does the most to reduce the body's ability to fight the virus, because it is literally taking away the body's ability to

breathe, to take in air, and a lot of people don't get on it. now, the president keeps talking about the light at the end of the tunnel, despite deaths topping 10,000 and the surge still coming. why? the question for us is, is there any strength to optimism? can it sustain hope? if it is empty? and i think the only answer is no. only truth conveys strength. and what the president is doing yet again is making us weak. context a month ago, trump told you that there was testing for all. remember this. >> anybody that wants a test can get a test. >> that has never been true. now, he says, well, if you are unable to get one, it is not really the federal government's problem. >> the states are supposed to be doing testing. hospitals are supposed to be doing testing. you understand that? we're the federal government. listen. we're the federal government. we are not supposed to stand on

street corners doing testing. >> the president of the united states will never be able to escape accountability and responsibility for what happens. he is our leader. punting testing and kibbing it , kicking it to the states, after he told you that anyone can get one, we know what this is about now and you have to see it for what it is because isolate is the problem, not the politics, if we don't have better detection, we will always be behind, and for the growing number of us who are going to face this beast, okay, it doesn't just pass, it progresses, it is week, not days, it is chronic, and it is humbling. your only chance is not catching it. and if you want to beat this virus, i have learned a secret that i am going to talk to you about in a few different ways tonight this. advice to stay in bed and let it pass, no way. you want to beat this virus. you have to fight it.

that's why i wanted to bring back dr. sanjay gupta to give us a look at what these numbers mean this way, and what i've learned with my own symptoms in the last 72 hours. it's good to have you, doc. >> hey, chris, thanks. thanks for having me. you look better. glad to see that. >> thank you. so the numbers. did you want to say before i get into the context? >> i had to say, i wondered if you felt better as well. >> i feel better than i deserve. and i now know that i can't just take it from this thing, that when the fever spike, you just want to curl up in a ball and stay there for the next six, seven hours, and you can't, you've got to bundle up your clothes, you got to start drowning yourself in fluids and take the tylenol and you got to get after it and if you don't want it to gets into your lungs you got to force yourself to breathe, you got to get up off your ass, you got to walk

around, you got to do that, and it is lying to you, and the more i push i do, the more i'm doing. and i know i'm not through it, but let's talk about the collective for a second and i will get back to what i sent you of the chest x-ray. >> the numbers could be flattening of the curve, said my brother in new york, how do we distinguish the flattening of the curve versus the potential lag of the numbers because of the waves in testing. >> it is a great point, chris. you're going to have the confirmed infections first, followed by hospitalizations and followed sadly by deaths. and so there is the lag, obviously, the testing itself is a lag, because by the time someone gets tested, that usually reflects an exposure that is 10 to 14 days earlier, so there is another lag there, so you're absolutely right. i think you got to follow the trend for a period of time. nobody knows the exact right answer here. and you shouldn't believe anybody who tells you they do. because we haven't seen this

before. this virus behaves differently than other viruses before. it is a novel coronavirus. i think the trend is starting to look like it is flattening out a bit. it may not be this apex, so you had this point in time, at the very height, and it may be sort of go up, and then you plateau for a while, and then you come back down. that's possibly what's going to happen here. but it does look encouraging right now and it sort fits the models as well. quickly take a look at the model for new york. when you look at the models, i have spend the weekend looking at them, looking at tons of models, the models, it is a shaded area that gives you a variety of possibilities there but near the bottom, that dotted line, we're still in the solid line, but that dotted line is what this is looking like it is going to be. which is still high but encouraging. as i think your brother put it, chris, it's sort of red lining here, getting very close to using everything that they have,

but still, you know, within the capacity of the health care system. >> one of the sad realities is that they're not having as big of a crush of ventilators as they expected because so many people are still coming. and i think that we really haven't figured out how this things kills us. we're seeing funky things with young people. we're seeing funky things it does with people in their lungs and starting to intubate people on their stomachs which they don't usually do and try to create more air passage because most of the lungs, as you told me, most of our lungs are in our back, not in our front, we always think that they're here, in the front but they're in the back, and trying to make adjustments now. >> yes, and well, you know, it's interesting, we are getting a better sense of what's happening with this particular infection. and you're right. is it the virus itself that's replicating over and over again? and eventually, you know, over

weapo overwhelms the body and leading to failure, and the body itself, young and healthy fighting the virus typically but in fact the body reacts so strongly that in fact it is the inflammation that ends up being a problem for the person, and what the clinicians are trying to treat. i'll just tell you, quickly, chris, this raises the whole issue of hydroxychloroquine, the medication everyone is asking about, and it is an immuno suppressant used for lupus, to dampen down. so immune system that is hyper reactive, that could work well, if the problem is a hyper reactive immune system. but what about somebody whose immune system is weak and that's why they're suffering so much with this disease. then you might actually end up harming the person. so that's the challenge here. that's why we study these things, chris. >> now, i know that the president is saying it doesn't make it policy necessarily.

but deflecting responsibility for testing couldn't come at a worst time. we know the federal government doesn't have a heavy, heavy hand in testing, sanjay, it is never going to happen, and what do you take ta from the president saying today, not only something that is raw in its complete contradiction that he said a month ago but basically, absenting the federal government having a big hand in testing and saying it is really the hospitals. >> look, this is one of these things, chris, i think you and i have been talking about for so long now, i mean a couple of months at least, where we said, look, we see this coming. we know exactly what needs to be done. not just us, obviously, from the public health officials, saying in order to basically understand this virus, and how widespread it is, you've got to test. and the policies that were put in place by the federal government early on, really diminished testing, don't really test somebody, unless they've just returned from china, don't test somebody until they've come

in direct contact with someone who is known to have coronavirus, that's not how you get surveillance. we would never set up, initially to actually have surveillance on this. there were countries around the world that did this. south korea, everyone gives that as an example, the reason why is they had good surveillance. germany had good surveillance. and you can see that they had good result, or much better results because of that. it is a bad disease no matter what. and i'm not going to minimize that part of it. but in order to do the best that you can, you need to do more advanced testing earlier on and that was really some of the directives from the federal government. now commercial laboratories, now university hospitals and private laboratory, they need to come up more than they are, but this isn't something you can catch up on like sleep. we're behind. and we stayed behind on this. as you just pointed out. ea even in new york. >> and you need the guides hand the same way you do with the purchasing power for the states

and the only reason i harp on it, if you don't learn the lessons of the past, we will repeat them and we ne we will have november wave of this. and if the politics allows this to become about nonaccountability, that the feds get a pass on testing and it is really states, in terms of testing, we'll wind up in the same place. and with the coronavirus, the big fear is it wants your lungs. that's what it wants. it wants your lungs this thing. so this weekend i had the fever start to come back and i started to feel it come into my chest and i went to get a chest x-ray and i want you to see this so you can see what we're looking for. now, doc, obviously, you understand this, what we're looking for, in the lungs, are big white areas, what are the terms that people hear, what are you looking for, what do people see in this mighty expanse of a chest in front of you. >> you're right, one of the things that you will hear is

infiltrate, you have an infiltrate in your chest, in your lungs, and basically a collection of inflammatory fluid. i would look for those in areas where the black areas are the air, in your lung, look for those black areas to essentially be filled with white spots and i want to make it clear for the audience, i'm not diagnosing here from afar, or via television, chris and i talked about this earlier before and he obviously had his own doctor look at it as well, in the middle of the chest x-ray, you can see, you have a little bit of infiltrate and you can see this, this is the side view now. in the middle of the film is your spine, and you can see the sort of domino-looking bone, awfully small i might add, chris, for a big guy like you, in the middle of the spine there, and then in front of that is the x-ray of your lungs. and it looks pretty good. maybe a little bit of fluid buildup there. but not something that i would definitively call pneumonia. which is what they're trying to diagnosis. pneumonia is not just diagnosed

by a chest x-ray but one of the tools that doctors use to diagnose it. so it looks good. and again, to make it clear, i'm not diagnosing chris via television here but that looks pretty good and i looked at that more closely on my computer today. >> right. a different pulmonary people look at it, they take very close reads because it is either really pneumonia or it really isn't. and they expect me to have infiltrate because i have the virus. and i have to tell you, it is scary to have your lungs go up there, and see this stuff, you're like what is that, ha what is that smoke in there, and they tell you, yes, it's the virus. it's in there. it's in you. you have to fight to keep it out. and i'm doing fine. i don't have pneumonia. but if i want to stay that way, you know, i got to have some things fall in my favor. >> yes, i think you make a good point, chris. obviously, you're getting doctors who tell you look, take it easy and i obviously was

counseling you last week, why don't you take time off and i think you make a good point you need to keep your lungs, you're doing pulmonary exercises, these breathing exercises, which your doctors have advised you to do. >> no high heart rate, no strenuous anything. but just getting my lungs, and doing the breathing is more than i can handle right now. but i believe it. i believe in it. as discipline. that if you want this out of your lungs, you're going to have to keep it out of your lungs. if you're going to lay on your ass, you're going to get it. i've been hearing case, the more people lay down, the more trouble they have. >> it is a balance for people because this wipes people out, i know it wiped you out, you were taking three-hour naps during the day, which is something i never heard you do and you were tired, it wipes people out and i don't want to minimize that part of it, but you're right, as much as you can keep your lungs moving, you know, do these breathing exercises, and there's these machines that allow people

to actually breathe in and out. and it helps, you know. and we're all learning together here. but there are some truisms when it comes to preventing lung infections or at least diminishing them and that's one of them. and your chest x-ray, do you have a little bit of those white spots in there, luckily it's not a big infiltrate anywhere, so no real signs of pneumonia, but you can see as your doctors tell you what the virus has possibly done to your lungs there. >> yes, and the question is, what happens afterwards? now they're having these anecdotal reports about people having lasting lung damage from this. and we don't know. you got to fight every day. sanjay, i want you to stay with me. i'm going to talk to the governor of connecticut next. and then i want you to come back, and talk to a couple of different people who are really in a fight right now. again, i keep telling you guys, i am a lucky one. imagine you're sick, your husband is sick, he has to go into the hospital, you've got

four kids, 17, 15, 7, and 5. and they start to get sick. and you wind up, your 15-year-old having to take care of your kids because you can't move and get out of bed. that's the nightmare that so many are living all over this country. and i want to bring in this woman so you can see what it has meant for her family to get through it and then bring back, one of your earliest guests we had on the show, about coronavirus, she disappeared on us, we were worried and i want sanjay to kind of guide us through both of their stories about what it takes to make us through that. sanjay, thank you for looking through my x-raies, thank you for not billing me, i don't know if there is a bill involved, if there was, i want to talk about it, look at the assessment, and the assessment was just average. just so you know. listen. everybody loves sanjay. it makes me unique that i'm the only person who doesn't like sanjay gupta. when new york sneezes, connecticut gets a cold. a savvy thing and a warning from

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a very interesting factor with connecticut. it is our fourth most densest state but it only has the 13th largest number of cases. why? all right, let's bring in the connecticut governor ned lamont, to discuss this. governor, first of all, this is good news. i know that you are seeing movements in your numbers and it is a very fluid situation, appreciate you taking the time, do you think that you learned something a little sooner perhaps than other states that have, that has allowed you to stay away from the steeper curve in cases? >> we have, but let me first say, chris, i really appreciate you being so honest about what you're going through. this is why we're all cheering you on every day. and you can tell sanjay gupta, we just passed no surprise billing here in connecticut, so you'd be safe here. >> he was quiet about the billing.

>> well, we have an advantage. you didn't have to be a psychic to know what was going on, chris. we could look overseas, we could see what was going on in wuhan, we could see what was going on in italy, we could see what was going on in seattle walk and i could look down on new york city where they had a one or two-week head start and that gave us an opportunity to hit the ball a little earlier in the game and i think that makes a big difference. there is also, as you pointed out, we are dense but we're also a suburban state. we don't have any of the big metropolitan centers, there's no downtown queens. so we avoided a lot of the worst of those hot zones. >> what does it mean to you as governor of connecticut, to hear the president say, you know, we're really not in the testing business. it is really about states and hospitals. a month ago, he said anybody who wanted a test would get one through the federal government. now he says it is really none of his business. what does that mean to you? >> well, it's not the right policy prescription. i think he should be rolling out national testing strategy, just so, just as he should be the one

buying the paramedic pe and buying the, the ppe and buying the equipment and buying the ventilators and distributing that but i'm not going to sit around complaining about that. i'm working with your brother, i'm working with phil murphy in new jersey, i want to get together with them and figure out our testing strategy and not what we do just for this region now, but afterwards and what do we do with the antibody testing to prepare for what comes afterwards. >> yes, hoping to be part of those trials and i'm hoping to get through this, and you know, let my blood be something that we can help other people with serum enrichment. i got to get there first. i'm looking forward it to it. in terms of the road forward, where is your head in terms of the states getting together with a buying consortium. and yes, you probably have to have the federal government administer it but you have to stop competing against each other and i know it is done in good faith and new york and new

jersey and what happens in new york with ppe, everyone is acting in good faith but that's the system and what is the hans it changes. >> look, there is a supply chain out, there it is corrupted, the black market, the gray market, is taking over the supply chain. they're picking up a lot of commercial product, and reselling it at a steep premium, and you're right. every state out there is disappeared for beds and desperate for ppe, and we're paying for it if we can get it. and like pricing, if the car doesn't make there at a certain pricing, it takes off and then that goes somewhere else. it is just no way to do it. >> nursing homes. obviously, they l-is such an acute vulnerability here is it still true that the state is not tracking how many nursing home employees test positive, and if so, what are you going to do about it? >> we're testing the nursing homes more and more vigorously.

we're separating out anybody covid positive. they're going to a separate wing. they're going to a separate nursing home. we're doing everything we can to get more protective gear for our folks that are first line responders going into those nursing homes. we do not want a kirkland washington incident happening here in connecticut. but it's risky. we were the first ones to say no guests going in a nursing home. that was hard. i got calls from people who said you won't let me see my mother and i was just saying, if you love your mother, this is the time to teach her to facebook, face time. >> i know it is so hard for them, especially if the patient ge gets the virus and people passing, and these are all hard choices governor and i know that and i know it is a struggle for you. i appreciate you taking the time. you will always have a place on this show to make your case to the audience. >> chris, thank you very much and we're cheering you on every day.

hang in there, brother. >> i'm one of the lucky ones. governor ned lamont of connecticut, thank you. we saw so much bad news coming out of the nursing home in kirkland that the governor just referred to in washington, right? but there is some good news that got delivered to one family on a stretcher. watch this. >> my mama is coming home. yeah. what a survivor. yes. >> praise the lord. >> life is good. >> now, we have been following this story for weeks. that is the mom of karen gohy, the nurse who i met on the show, introduced to you her, she wound up getting a nasty case of covid, she went into the hospital for a little bit, she came back out, couldn't see her mother on part of that first exposure of cases there, and now she is getting to a better place. so it's great. karen will be back with us for an update and also we are going to take you through living the hard way. this family that is really the postcard for the pain that covid can cause. and we'll bring sanjay back to

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we talked a lot about the various tolls that covid will take on you if you get it, certainly on a family, if it is more than one. for a lot of people, it's not just the physical, that's bad enough, obviously, right, and it's also the emotional. it's also psychological. it's also financial. so living with this virus is a real challenge on many different levels. even more when you've got to take care of your kids and you have a spouse who is up against it and you're up against it. there are so many people who fall into this category but the people i want to introduce to you right now who really battle uniquely, first i want you to mean lauren thomas mandell, mother of four, 17, 15, 7, and

5. we really could end the story right there. that is an amazing task to take on all by yourself let alone covid in the mix. her husband and she are both positive. he is now hospitalized. he just kept working. he's a doctor. and eventually, he literally basically collapsed and he went in there with a double pneumonia, okay? now, a couple of the older kids who are helping with the younger kids are showing symptoms. so we have her with us. also, with lauren, is karen godin of washington state one of the first guests, because of everything going on with her mother and brother and father, they all had coronavirus, and now we're getting some great resolve out of their situation and it really boosts your spirit and dr. sanjay gupta is with us as well. so i the wanted to make this into a big conversation and anybody who has something they want to say should say it. lauren, i want to start you with. and just give us the state of how you guys are doing as a family. you guys are really up against

it. >> today, we got hit with my 15-year-old, she definitely came down with it. so i have been trying to deal with the 5 and 7-year-old, they don't really quite understanding what is happening and they want to be with mommy so we have a little makeshift room for them in my bedroom, they brought in tables and chairs and i had to have meals where i had to get out of bed and try to be a parent. >> how are your symptoms? >> besides the breeg breathing, i still get short of breath and thank goodness, i asked my husband before all of this, i have a pulse ox machine and i think i heck it every five to ten seconds. it is between 97 and 99 which gives me peace of mind. friends are sending me millions of things, music, everything, you know, to try to keep me calm. i listen to a little as possible about my husband, and i want him

to get better but the more i get upset, i cry and i'm stuffy. and my case came back tonight. and the fever and the cough. >> what about the feve quer? >> i don't know what your fever is like, you think you're fine, you think you're better, and then boom, at night or whatever it is, you have the fever, due even know, the thermometer tells you, and you want to just cry, because then you know you're not better. you know, the fever has been upper 90s, 100 is the highest. that's since day one. pretty much on and off. >> and what day are you on now? >> tonight starts day 12. >> and look, that is really the norm. you know, this idea that people are going to get through it in a few days, and you know, yes, some are blessed with that path, but very few. most of us, it's weeks, let alone when you have to deal with all of these offsetting pressures. with us here, lauren, i have karen, who is a nurse, who also

battled through this, she had to goo into the hospital a little bit and came back out, what let you know, karen, that you were really going to be on the other side? how long did it take before you felt like, okay, the beast is at bay for real now? >> it was about 15 days before my fever, i stopped having headaches and fevers. and i was in the hospital, and i started getting my appetite back. but i still needed oxygen for another four or five days. but after about 15 day, that's when my fever stopped and i started to have any appetite at all. >> in terms of what made the difference for you, do you believe, in terms of what got you past it? was it just the coefficient of time? what do you think helped most? >> well, you know, i think at the beginning, i was so caught

up in this being the epicenter of the pandemic, and following the news, and being so anxious about family members, i didn't rest very well. and i think if i could have rested and shut off my brain in those early days, maybe i wouldn't have gotten so sick. but then, when i was in the hospital, i started listening to music that calmed me down at night, and helped me just sleep. just relax. that was really helpful to me. and then i started getting better. >> lauren, did you hear that from karen? have you tried that? have you triad little bit of music at night, to help i mean you have real, you have real concerns, as did karen, you know, her mother was stuck in the nursing home, they couldn't find out anything about her, her father was in the hospital, her brother was sick, but you got to worry about the little ones and i understand that. so what about that? a little bit of therapeutic music at night or do you think that will work? >> i do that. i have been doing that with my panic attacks. the panic attacks are regular.

she is laughing because she knows they happen, too. they are very regular and you don't know if it is the covid or the panic attacks and i run to the pulse ox and check to make sure my oxygen levels are good and calms me do down for about 10 seconds. >> i had my pulse oximeter on me when i was getting my chest x-ray, because you don't know, i put a paranoid person to shame versus the hyper con track person i could be. when i showed people the x-ray, that i showed earlier, the second i looked at it, i saw infiltrate, and i don't know what it means except as a verb and i was in a panic as soon as i saw it, and a lot of people, god love them, so supportive and i see the infiltrate, holy cow, i see the infiltrate. >> will you explain to people

how having some infiltrate doesn't necessarily mean you're in bed. >> infiltrate for the purposes of diagnosing this, it usually means, we can put up the x-ray, the first x-ray, you're sort of looking at the chest from the front, you're looking at straight, yes, there it is, so that is the right lung, and the left lung, and the black areas are the air-filled spaces in your lungs. you're looking at those areas, so those sharp edges at the bottom, of each lung, you want to make sure they stay sharp and you don't get fluid that is sort of accumulating in that area, and again, you know, it is a little bit hard to tell on television there, it is a little bit hazy in some of those areas, in the more center of your lungs, so maybe a little bit of infiltrate in that area, but not significant. not the type that has accumulated there, chris and you look at that and maybe this is something who is dealing with a little bit of a respiratory infection. and then of course, the other x-ray that you showed was

looking at the same, obviously, picture, just from the side, and sort of confirms the same thing. there it is there. so the lines are right in the middle. >> that's what it looks like. >> yes. >> exactly. >> for me, it doesn't mean you're going to have pneumonia and i just want people to feel okay about that, if i'm okay with it, you should be okay with it. and what i want to do is i want to take a quick break and talk about where we all want it get. karen is going to give us some video to show us what a beautiful ending it is for her story and i want to talk to lauren about what she sees coming into the future and where she wants to get her family because there are so many families like hers right now and i believe if you talk about it, it makes it more likely that it happens so let's take a quick break and we'll come back. allergies with nasal congestion make it feel impossible to breathe. get relief behind the counter with claritin-d. claritin-d improves nasal airflow 2x more than the leading allergy spray at hour 1. claritin-d. get more airflow.

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god willing, none of what we're talking about applies to you but so many are up against it in this country and i want to give you a cross-section because our strength is phenomenal. you've got lauren thomas mandell with us, she has the virus, her

husband is a doctor, he has the virus, he is in the hospital, they've got four kids, 17, 15, seven and five and the kids have been picking up the virus, and she's having to deal with all of this at once. and we have karen, who dealt with the virus early on but she has a great ending for us that i want to start with so we can keep our optimism. karen, i want to play that video of what brought us to you in the first place, your mom was in that nursing home where they had all of that big blast of cases in washington and all about when will you be able to see her and is she okay and does she have it and finally, finally, finally, many weeks later, what is the scene that we're looking at? >> that's the scene of her being delivered to my house in an ambulance. because she's got to come live with me where we can keep her safe here at our house. and reunite her with my dad. >> it is just such an amazing ending to such a really tortured story. and i know you wanted to know from sanjay, as a nurse, you had

a question for him about what your risk profile is. and when. what's your question? >> so i was wondering if, as a recover recovered covid-19 person, can i safely assume that i'm immune to the virus? and that i'm not able to, i'm not contagious, that i'm not going to transfer it to anybody if i say go grocery shopping at the store? >> right, first of all, i'm glad you're doing better, and that is really sweet video of your mom, i'm sure she feels very loved and it is very nice to see. we don't know the answer to your question. and that's not a dodge. but you got to remember, as you know, as a nurse, we're early days into this, so i'm just learning listening to you guys talk about what you guys are experiencing, i think we're all learning a little bit, i think it's safe to say that you're likely immune, i've asked lots of infectious disease doctors about this, the type of virus

this is, there's no reason to think that after you've gone through this, and you've recovered, you should have some immunity, and how long that lasts, we don't know, but it is unlikely to get infected again. having said that, it doesn't mean that you couldn't still be harboring the virus in your nose and throat. so people think that even days before they develop symptom, and maybe even weeks after, they could still potentially be transmitting this virus, which may be why the virus is spreading the way that it is. so i think, one thing i would tell you, and you already know this, again, just for everybody else, stay home as much as possible. obviously. >> yes. >> if you do go out, and you're going out to an area where you can't reasonably social distance, you know, grocery store, pharmacy, something like that, now just as, over the last few day, the advice is to even wear some sort of face covering. and the reason you're wearing a face covering is because you still are harboring the virus, if you're still harboring the virus, it will decrease the likelihood of you transmitting

it to somebody else. so that's it. but it is good to see someone like you recover. you know, chris, i got to say as well, we see the numbers on the screen all the time, number of people infected, number of people hospitalized, et cetera, i think we should start showing, the number of people who have recovered from this as well. talk about optimism, statistically, most people are likely to recover. >> good data on it. because it is about how you want to count that. do you count it as people going into the hospital? do you count it on people who wind up reporting that they're symptom-free? it takes us back to testing. but sanjay and i were talking about that a couple of weeks ago before i got sick that i wanted to do it and it is interesting watching karen and sanjay talk, the difference in your eyes between yours and mine and lauren's, lauren and i are getting visited by the beast right now. the fever comes at night. as you will remember, karen. and i'm seeing it in lauren's eyes where your face just starts to get hot and i saw you grabbing for the water, i know,

i know where you are, and i feel for you so to do for them right now? is there any kind of help that you need, that we could help with, lauren? >> well, my 7-year-old puts herself to bed somewhere around 1:00 in the morning, i think. i have a makeshift playroom in her room now. she has everything, and she's calling my mom at, like, 11:30 at night. 12:00 at night. coming in to check on me. and then, i don't know. finally, i don't know what happens. i cdo fall asleep, and i have n idea what she's doing. the other ones, thank goodness, go to sleep. and my house will definitely need some kind of infestation repair. thank goodness my husband's not here because he would not -- looking what my house looks like right now, in any way, shape, or form. >> well, let's do this. i'm going to stay in touch with you and see how your family is going through it. karen's saying it will be so hard and she dealt with a lot herself. that's why you guys remind me

just how lucky i am. so, lauren, i'm going to stay in touch with you every day. and make sure how the family's doing and what you need. obviously, when -- when you're not feeling it, don't answer. that's fine. i just want you to know we're here. and, karen, same for you. just to make sure that your mom stays well because, you know, we're all -- we're all the family we choose now in this situation. everybody matters. and we know it. sanjay, thank you for being-l t best of us. >> i'm glad you guys have those -- >> yeah. >> thanks, chris. you guys take care. >> that's been a good thing. i love you, guys. thank you so much. thank you so much. i appreciate all of you. >> stay better. >> thanks so much. >> lauren, most of all. boy, am i impressed by her. i'm telling you i can -- i can barely put a shirt on. she's got four kids. 17, 15, 7, and 5. her husband's in the hospital. she's making her way through. that's the resilience that i'm talking about. it is awe inspiring to me.

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all right. so here's what i have learned. here's the secret to kicking this virus. it's not a pill or a potion. it's about your will and devotion. the virus wants us to lay down. the virus wants us to take it. other than the blessed view, the rest of us who get this are going to have an experience unlike anything else they've ever had. days and waves. the old notion of get in bed when you're sick, it sounds great. and if you are really up against it, you need to do as little as possible. i've been there. trust me, i know. but you can't stay there. now, i am wise to the beast and its ways. it changes. the fever is just softening us up. it's making your body hurt so you don't want to move your body because what it wants to do is get in your lungs. i feel it constricting my chest. when i had that chest x-ray, i

saw that infiltrate right away. now, i also have something else i haven't told you. i have a low igm level, which is the primary immune response antibody. i have always had a low level. okay? it's not something recent. could be genetic. could be cultural. i don't know. but it makes me susceptible to things like bron kitic and crch like that. so there i was friday night. i was not going to do the show tonight. i was done. i was in a pool of sweat. 12 hours later, i was in the same damn place. i hadn't slept a minute. i was just soaked and scared. honest to god. so then i get a call from a friend of a friend of a friend. now, this keeps happening to me now. this new reality of how much people just care. i have this new network of not just sources but really good people. and they all come this way. friend of a friend of a friend. why? because we are all battling this all over the country and the world. and people want to beat the beast. so this doctor calls me up. asks me about my symptoms. he is a pulmonary expert. and says can you get up?

i say, yeah, i can get up. he says do it. he says can you stretch your torso? i said what do you mean? he says put your arms over your head. i go like this. no, doesn't feel that good. he said do it. he said can you hold your breath for ten seconds? i said probably not, to be honest. he said do it. and, then, he gave me the key. he said he heard me say that i wanted to keep this out of my lungs, and he said i saw your x-rays. it's in your lungs. and you got the right fear and you got the wrong approach. you can't wait it out. he said you have to fight. and not in some silly, metaphorical way. this isn't about, like, channeling rocky or eye of the tiger. you've got to do the things that will beat this virus. you've got to breathe deep whether it hurts, and it hurts. i know it hurts. and i'm not trying to minimize anybody's pain. when you get a fever spike, and that hurts, he said you can't take confidence that it's going to go down. there are going to be spikes for at least ten days when you get a

fever. you got to layer up. you got to drink. you got to take tylenol. and you got to fight back. you've got to make that fever go down, any way you can. the chest gets you. it makes you small. it -- it's -- it's really what defines this covid. and the covid is banking on you doing nothing. your indolence, as the doctors calls it. wants us passive on our backs. i lie on my side. my stomach. i'm up. i'm doing my breathing. i know i have got that stuff in my lungs. i'm not going to lose to this thing that way. no way i'm going to do that to my wife and kids and to all the people who care about me. so that's it. all day. all night. hundo-p. 100%. and it's because it's a way for me to help. there has to be a purpose to this. you know, i'm not just going to go through the suck here for some sen