tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN April 10, 2020 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
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"outfront" next, breaking news, president trump pressing to re-open the government in just weeks as the u.s. suffers its deadliest day since the outbreak began. plus, new hampshire now allowing voters to mail in their november ballots because of the outbreak. it's an option trump has railed against, calling it corrupt and fraudulent. new hampshire's republican governor responds. and the trump campaign trying to paint joe biden as weak when it comes to china in the pandemic and they're doing it by implying a former united states governor as a chinese official. andrew yang responds.
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let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. the u.s. reporting the most deaths in a single day because of coronavirus. 1,935. it is a grim milestone coming on the same day president trump says he wants to relax restrictions as soon as possible. but a new federal projection reportedly warns of a possible infection spike if it's done too soon. and today the president's top coronavirus expert warning that now is not the time to let up on social distancing. >> it's important to remember that this is not the time to feel that since we have made such important advance in the sense of success of the mitigation that we need to be pulling back at all. >> yet tonight, aides are working on plans to re-open the government, perhaps as soon as may 1st. it is a choice, the president says, for him is like no other.
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>> i don't know that i've had a bigger decision, but i'm going to surround myself with the greatest minds. i want to get it open as soon as we can. we have to get our country opened. i only hope to god that it's the right decision. but i would say without question it's the biggest decision i've ever had to make. >> we have a lot to get to tonight. i want to start with kaitlan collins. she is out front live in washington at the white house. kaitlan, the president adamant he wants to re-open the country as soon as possible, but it seems clear that he understands that if -- if he makes a mistake, this will be on him. >> reporter: yeah, erin. i think he's right when he says this could be one of the biggest decisions of his presidency because depending on which way it goes, it's going to have reverberations for not only, you know, what could happen in november, but also for the president's legacy. so you saw him so hesitant to put a date on really what he's thinking today. that comes after he had to already back off the easter deadline, which, of course, is going to happen this weekend and
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that is not going to look like what the president initially wanted it to. so the question really is is, what does the president decide ultimately? because we know internally his team is already looking at opening country next month. some of them are even focussing on matt may 1 deadline, specifically looking at what that would look like. but listen to what dr. fauci said when asked today what the country would look like once the guidelines they have put out have been relaxed. >> so, don't let anyone get any false ideas that when we decide at a proper time when we're going to be relaxing some of the restrictions, there's no doubt you're going to see cases -- i would be so surprised if we did not see cases. the question is how you respond to them. >> i mean -- >> reporter: so you see, as we have seen for -- yeah, still a very different remark coming from the health experts than from the president. >> you know, kaitlan, it is pretty incredible when he says that, that there will be cases. of course there will. i guess it's a question of how
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many. the president -- you're talking about dr. fauci, but also going to be bringing in a group of business leaders to make his decision. what more can you tell us about that? >> reporter: yeah, this is going to be the second task force and it's only focused on re-opening the economy. we're told it's not going to be as formal as the first one you've seen where they meet every day for an hour and a half to two hours typically and come out and brief reporters. it's going to be a mix of officials like the treasury secretary, the president's top economic advisers and also some private sector economic experts as well. those are going to be the people focused on what that looks like. while the president said today he has the authority over whether or not states and country largely re-opens, we know it's going to be up to governors, but they are also going to be seeking guidance from the federal government on wh what they think the best practices could be just like they were on these social distancing guidelines. >> we've also heard a lot, kaitlan, about the racial disparities. they are pretty stunning in terms of the coronavirus. hitting communities of color, particularly african-americans,
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the hardest. the president said, you know, a couple of days ago they were going to be coming out with a lot more information and statistics in the next day or two. what are they saying now? >> reporter: yeah, one of those is that one in three of the people who end up having to go to the hospital who get decid g diagnosed with the coronavirus are african-american. the surgeon general addressed that today in personal terms at one point talking about his own health issues. carried asthma with him his entire life. listen to his message for people out there who think they are not vulnerable at getting the coronavirus. >> the chronic burden of medical ills is likely to make people of color especially less resilient to the ravages of kind and possibly, in fact likely, that the burden of social ills is also contributed. we need you to do this, if not for yourself, then for your abuela, do it for your granddaddy. do it for your big mama, do it for your poppop. >> reporter: so, erin, the
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surgeon general was saying make sure you are checking in on family members and people to make sure that they're okay during this time period. he said he wanted to make clear he did not think this was any kind of genetic or biological reason why you're seeing minorities end up with different cases, different numbers than what we are seeing from other races and stuff. he was saying that it's really a social thing and that's why he wanted to issue that message, saying here is what's going on, here's what we're seeing. we're still getting more information, but we want to make sure everyone's taking the proper precautions as we move forward. >> all right. kaitlan, thank you very much. and the number of cases in the united states has now crossed the half a million mark. that happened just tonight, just a short time ago. now more than half a million americans. while the president may be eager to re-open the nation, both los angeles county and the state of vermont have now extended their formal stay-at-home orders by at least another month. that takes them well into the middle of may. across the country tonight, there are signs of, well, different places are in
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different places when it comes to that so-called curve. nick watt is out front. >> reporter: there are triumphs, cheers for the recovered. numbers in new york's icus are actually down for the first time. some encouraging signs. >> we're starting to level on the log rhythmic phase like italy did about a week ago because of the impact of what the citizens of new york and new jersey and across connecticut and now rhode island are doing to really change the course of this pandemic. >> reporter: but still so much pain. tara gabriel's mum now gone, but more than just a statistic. >> my mother was a real person. she was loving and selfless and kind. >> reporter: in new york now, the bodies of unclaimed covid-19 victims being taken to heart island for burial. the official death count of more than 5,000 in the city could be
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undercounted with people dying untested at home. according to "the new york times." that state now has more confirmed reported cases than any country on earth, according to data from john hopkins university. in l.a. now, you have to wear a mask in a store. >> if you're not covering your face by friday morning, an essential business can refuse you service. >> reporter: but in florida they're thinking about re-opening schools. >> if we get to the point where people think that we're on the other side of this and we could get kids back in, even if it's for a couple of weeks, we think that there would be value in that. this particular pandemic is one where i don't think nationwide there's been a single fatality under 25. >> yes, people under 25 have died of coronavirus disease in the united states of america. >> reporter: florida's governor has now walked that last part back. >> in florida we've had no fatalities under 25. >> reporter: and starting tomorrow in michigan, if you own more than one home in the state, you got to pick one and stay
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there. in illinois they're warning all big events could be cancelled until there's a vaccine, months, perhaps even a year or more away. they're also discouraging church services. >> today's good friday. easter sunday, we have to stay inside. >> reporter: but in kansas, the governor is still in a legal battle, hoping to limit church services to ten people. >> the need to congregate is important. but not during a pandemic. >> reporter: and testing remains an issue even weeks into this pandemic. in one study of 51 coronavirus patients, the current test missed 16 of them. an antibody test is said to be days away to identify those recovered and therefore potentially immune and able to return to work, but can the country start to re-open may 1 as the president hopes? and what might be the toll? >> don't let anyone get any false ideas that when we decide
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at a proper time when we're going to be relaxes some of the restrictions, there's no doubt you're going to see cases. >> reporter: so, yep, here in l.a. county, we were told this afternoon, erin, that we are going to have to stay home for at least another five weeks, possibly longer, and they say they're extending it because it is working. now, a sliver of good news. those stimulus package checks will start being sent out to people next week, according to the irs. front of the line, if you have filed your '18 and '19 taxes and gave the irs your direct debit details. also, social security recipients, i'm sorry, to the front of the line. everyone else, i'm afraid to say, it could be weeks or even months before you get that money. erin? >> all right. nick watt, thank you very much. they extend the deadline for filing to july of next year. for you filed and paid they put
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you more towards the front of the line. the president says the facts are going to determine the time is right to open the country. he also says there isn't a big problem with testing nationwide. of course the facts show there is a long way to go. it is still incredibly difficult to obtain a test across this country. out front now, dr. william schaffner, a leading specialist in infectious disease and a cdc adviser. doctor, good to have you back. you have numbers coming out from the white house saying thousands of fewer deaths than before. obviously that is good news. this is the same time we're finding out they're saying, well, if things re-open too quickly, you could see a major spike in terms of new cases. so how does this all play out for you? what are you more concerned about, opening too quickly or not? >> well, it's good news but not perfect news, right? we are just at the start of good news, so we have to keep doing what we're doing. we just saw some -- some models
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here in nashville. we thought we were going to be peaking in the next couple of weeks or in may, but the models show that we might peak in june. so that took a lot of us aback. so we have to keep doing, not just in nashville, but around the country what we're doing for a prolonged period of time yet, i think. >> so -- >> because we don't want to open things up and then have the virus come back on us. >> so, can i just ask you because i know all models depend on inputs. obviously you've got a lot of inputs going into your model. what you're saying is it's possible it could go the other direction. you're looking at a model you could be seeing around nashville, the peak being pushed later all the way into june. what changed in terms of the input that made it go from may to june? >> well, there are all kind of inputs, as you say, erin. and one of the questions is how much asymptomatic transmission is going on out there? if there's a whole lot of it, then i think we end a little bit
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sooner because there are more people who are protected, but if there's not as much as some of my colleagues believe, then we can still see cases going on for quite a bit longer. >> so, when you look at the issue here, you're also talking about it going into june where there is going to be warm weather. there is no conclusive information, of course, whether the virus will spread more easily when the weather gets warmer, despite the president, of course, saying it won't. you might remember him saying this, dr. schaffner. >> the coronavirus, they're working hard. it looks like by april, you know, in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away. >> and, you know, the former fda commissioner scott gottlieb also said ordinarily with a coronavirus you would see seasonality and drop in the summer, but he was countering that with this is so wildly out there and so transmissible that the dip you may see in terms of the cycle of the virus may not
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be what people are counting on. it could be out there much more widely. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. the normal human coronavirus are seasonal but not as seasonal as influenza. i don't know that this virus has read the textbook and knows what to do. so can hope for the sunny side of the street, but we have to be aware of the shady side, too. we can't let our guard down. >> so what do you think in terms of when to re-open? i know you can't give a hard date, but, i mean, do you think this country is re-opened in a way that we would all recognize as normal life with festivals and major league baseball games this summer? or is that not part of any equation? >> rather than re-open, which sounds like very open, i think about peeking through a little sliver of the door. one -- one step at a time. and then opening it up a little bit more. and then a little bit more. and the mass gatherings, those
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are the things we'll do last, the concerts, the larger athletic events and, frankly, the weekend religious services. >> you would say those would be among the last? >> i -- i would because those are mass gatherings which bring people very close together intimately and the virus loves that. >> all right. thank you very much, dr. schaffner. i appreciate your time again. and "outfront" next, the politics in the age of a pandemic. you're going to meet the republican governor who just broke with the president on a key way to keep voters safe in november. plus, andrew yang joins me on the growing unemployment crisis and how to pull this country out of an economic pandemic. plus, is antibody testing our best hope for escaping isolation? we have a special report from sanjay gupta. it's tough to quit smoking cold turkey. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye.
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"out" fro new hampshire's republican governor will now letter voters cast mail-in ballots in november if coronavirus is still a factor. governor chris sununu is with me now. governor, i appreciate your time. thank you so much for being with me on this friday. so i know last fall you vetoed a bill that would have let voters vote by mail.
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back then, you know, your comment was sort of that widespread absentee voting would erode part of what makes new hampshire so unique, but obviously now you think it's necessary to have a change. why? >> well, obviously the covid-19 pandemic changes everything for everyone, so the bill i vetoed last year is probably a bill i would still veto because that would change the rules permanently to a no-excuse absentee battle process. here in new hampshire with our first in the nation primary, we take that incredibly seriously. we have a lot of integrity in the process and let it go off without a hitch every single year. we always have about 10% that vote absentee. this year we understand regardless of where we are in the epidemic, we'll likely have a greater number than 10%, could be 20%, 30%. all we've really done is expanded guidelines, the secretary of state and the attorney general just expanded the guidelines where you check that box that says that you want to get an absentee ballot for disability or health issue. and, again, you don't want public health to stand in the
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way of somebody's ability to cast a ballot. that's what this is all about. these are very extraordinary times. so we've stretched that and opened that up just a little bit. it's just absentee voting for this year and then we go back to a system that has worked very, very well and tried and true for decades. >> so, you know, obviously we all saw the pictures out of wisconsin, governor, right? the health department there is tracking new cases to see if the virus was spread among voters. we saw the lines. people waiting for two and a half hours in the rain trying to social distance as best they could. you know, it was pretty unsettling to see those images, given what the rest of the country and they are also going through when they weren't waiting in line to vote. did those images and those scenes affect your thinking on this? >> no because wisconsin is very different than new hampshire. we take our elections incredibly seriously. not that they don't, we just run things very, very differently here. we'll have a lot of time between september and november. i mean, they were really crunched trying to figure out what to do a couple of weeks into a massive pandemic.
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so in terms of presenting guidelines or new protocols for town halls or polling locations, we'll have a lot of time to be able to manage that, go through the processes. there will be funds that will allow our towns and polling locations to step up for the potential extra absentee ballots that may come in or take time, again, to practice spacing out the polling locations or practicing the different social and physical distancing that has to happen as part of that process. >> so a lot of people may think about what you're saying and say this makes complete sense, it is obvious. others might note you're a republican governor and what you're saying is very different than what we're hearing from the president preside president. just to remind anybody who did not here it, here's what he said on tuesday. >> mail ballots, they cheat, okay? people cheat. mail ballots are a very dangerous thing for this country because they're cheaters. >> what's your response to that, governor? >> again, you know, just speaking for new hampshire, we have a very secure tradition when it comes to absentee voting. people take it very seriously.
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we have a way of making sure that there is not fraud within the absentee system. we've never had real issues around that whatsoever. so by expanding it and allowing people to have a little more flexibility during this pandemic makes perfect sense for the state of new hampshire. i can't speak for other states and where there might be fraud and issues in other states. here in new hampshire we get it right. >> you guys are not full of a bunch of cheaters? >> no. no. look, i'm not going to comment on the president's comments. you know, i can only speak for what happens here in new hampshire. there's a reason we're the first in the nation primary. there is a reason you get the results at night. there is a reason we don't have a lot of the issues a lot of other states have. you have a pen, a piece of paper, there is a ballot, it gets counted that night. we get it right. we're very proud of that. that public trust that we've built over decades allows us, again, to make this slight change where we're just allowing towns to expand a little bit what they offer for an absentee ballot with assurance there won't be fraud or any of those
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issues that might be discussed nationally or in other states. >> so your stay-at-home order in your state when it comes to actually where you are right now is in place to may 4th. you're obviously saying you're going to give people the option in november, no matter what the situation is, there are going to be a great many people absent a vaccine given out wildly in the population which is going to happen by then are not going to feel comfortable returning to normal life. the president says he has great authority, but you are ultimately the chief executive of your state. that's your job to make a decision. your state epidemiologist says your peak in new hampshire is still several weeks away. has there been a change in that or do you anticipate extending your order past may 4th? >> again, i plan on extending a lot of the orders past may 4th. it's not going to be a smooth bell curve. this is going to be a long tail here. we're going to be in this for months boundsing around. hopefully the numbers drop, but they're not going to drop to zero. my hope is we see some kind of
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pharmaceutical suppression that helps suppress the viral spread and suppress the symptoms in the elderly population to a place and, again, get that mortality rate much farther down than it is right now. that's what this is all about. it's all about a run on the health care system. that's why we stretch and bend that curve, as you know. bending that curve really means stretching it out over a much longer period of time. will it go to september or november? it very well may. either way, unless you get down to zero, you're still going to be in a position where it's reasonable to assume that people are going to have a lot of fear and trepidation, especially the elderly, about getting up and going to their polling places they've been year after year. this year is very different. we as governors have to operationize, not just the opportunities coming out of the washington with funding, but operationize the opportunities we have to create for that individual. that's what this is all about. it isn't about a big government solving everybody's problems, it's about actually empathizing and realizes what does the individual go through on voting day, when they go to the supermarket, what do they go through when they have to decide
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whether to go to church or not and congregate with large kro d crowds. by doing is ththat as a governo the local level, we can make those decisions. >> governor sununu, appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up next, 2020 dirty politics. is the new trump campaign ad racist as some critics are suggesting? we'll take it to former presidential competitor and biden supporter andrew yang. plus, how to combat the phycological toll this is taking on america's health care workers who are putting their lives on the line every day. it is a dark reality for so many heros out on the front lines. bi. at chevy, we promise to do ours. we're offering current chevy owners onstar crisis assist services and complimentary wifi data. to help keep you on the road, the chevy certified service experts are here and ready to help if you require parts, maintenance or repairs. you can even schedule your service appointments online.
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>> the beautiful history we wrote together. >> banning all travel will not stop it. >> the president is right, the travel restriction on china, as every public health official we talked to, has bought the country time. >> that was a very smart move right there. >> xenophobia. fear mongering. >> xenophobia. >> i complimented him on -- on dealing with china. >> the ad misleadingly take's brady's words out of context. he has not opposed coronavirus-related travel restrictions. the ad also doesn't make clear that the man depicted in this split-second image, and i just want to show this to you, it's important that we pause it because he's not a chinese official. he's american. he's a former washington state governor. he's the former u.s. ambassador to china. he is chinese american. he is american. so why was he included as biden kissing up to china? "outfront" now, andrew yang, cnn
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political commentator and former presidential candidate. you know, andrew, the trump campaign responded to the criticism about this today. their spokesman tim murdoch said the shot with the flag specifically places biden in beijing in 2013. it's for a reason. that's the hunter biden trip. memory lane for old joe. but of course the person that he's with is is gary lach. what do you think this is all about? >> i think it's very clear that they're casting gary lach, who was born in seattle, washington, the two-term governor of washington state and secretary of commerce under president obama as a chinese leader. and that's flat-out wrong on so many levels. the ad is trying to distract from trump's epic mismanagement of the coronavirus that has cost us two months of being able to identify patients and trace their contacts. instead we wound up in our homes trying to mitigate the spread. it's cost our economy trillions of dollars.
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cost our families thousands of lives. cost us millions of jobs. and so he's trying to distract from that. and, unfortunately, this ad is consistent with him calling covid-19 or the new coronavirus the chinese virus. he's trying to cast it as a foreign -- foreign agent, a foreign effort. and i'll tell you who gets the hit the worst from this, it's chinese americans and asian americans who have already reported hundreds even thousands of assaults around the country. i -- like, it boils my blood that he's trying to distract from his epic failures by racializing this virus. >> this has happened to you, right? you've talked about this. that you've experienced this, this racism now, even in the grocery store. >> well, i bet it's happened to every asian american at this point, erin. i heard a heartbreaking story yesterday. there was an er doctor who is asian american in brooklyn who literally helped a grandmother
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say good-bye to her children and is, like, you know, risking his own safety and then he goes home and gets called racial epithets on the way home when he's literally risking his life trying to help people. so it's happened to me, but it's happened to asian americans around the country. like, children got stabbed in texas who are asian american, being blamed for the coronavirus. so it's not just dirty looks, it's getting much, much more sinister and threatening than that. and it has to stop. >> and in an op-ed you wrote last week, you suggested some ways asian americans could combat this bigotry. you wrote in part, andrew, we asian americans need to embrace and show our americanness in ways we never have before. we need to step up, help our neighbors, donate gear, wear red, white and blue, fund aid organizations and do everything we can to stop the acceleration of the virus. some asian americans questioning
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that, why do we need to prove we're americans when we already are? you know, what's your response to that criticism? >> of course we're all americans. asian americans, all americans, we all just need to do everything we can to accelerate the end of this virus, and in that op-ed i noted that 17% of u.s. doctors on the front lines are asian american. and all i was saying was that all americans have to come together in this time. >> so, because of the unprecedented and incredible economic collapse that we've been seeing, right? we lost 16 million jobs in 21 days in the united states. these are numbers that, you know, they're just simply stunning and incomprehensible. in spain they're now saying that because of this dire situation they actually want to establish a universal basic income on a permanent basis. this, of course, was the cornerstone of your presidential campaign. in congress there is an aspect of it, elements of it temporarily, and that $2
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trillion stimulus package. do you believe this has a chance of sticking? >> it will stick 100%, erin. millions of americans, even tens of millions, are going to get $1,200 in their bank accounts this week. and they're going to find that it helps them pay their bills. it helps them secure their families' groceries and help keep a roof over their head. it's not going to do anything to transform their personalities or make them lazy or any of the ridiculous counterarguments that have been used. this is here to stay. it's common sense. it's going to be vital because our economy's transformation, unfortunately, has been accelerated by this crisis. more and more jobs that are -- that we're losing are never going to come back. those 16 million jobs you're talking about, they will not be back like a rubber band snapping back into place in a number of months. they're gone. and we need to start building a new economy that's going to work for people.
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universal basic income is going to be a huge, even central part of that. >> all right. andrew, thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> appreciate you, erin. stay safe. >> all right. you too. andrew yang there. and "outfront" next, how will we know when it's safe to emerge from this isolation? there could be a test to help determine that. how soon is it? what is it and will you be able to get one? dr. sanjay gupta explains next. at papa john's, we want you to know that from our
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the white house says we'll have an antibody test, quote, very soon, but some health experts say it's going to take more than that to get americans back to work. former fda commissioner scott gottlieb spoke with cnn's jake tapper earlier today is said the number of coronavirus cases could still rise in the coming months, and he points out that the vast majority of americans have not been exposed to the virus. >> when we test the population broadly to see who's been
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exposed to this and developed antibodies, i think wire going to find it's going to be a very small percentage, anywhere from 1 to 5% of the population. there is not a mass amount of the population immune to this virus and can return to work safely. >> white house experts insist it will be critical to fighting the pandemic. dr. sanjay gupta has filed a special report. >> reporter: according to the coronavirus task force, more than 2 million tests have now been performed in the united states and yet there are still people who need to be tested, such as health care workers who can't get one. it's part of the reason there is an interest in a different kind of test. an antibody test. dr. fauci told cnn on friday it's coming soon. >> i'm certain that's going to happen. that within a period of a week or so, we're going to have a rather large number of tests that are available. >> reporter: but what exactly or antibodies? they are proteins in the immune system that develop days after someone has been infected.
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and it's the antibodies that make someone immune to becoming reinfected. it means two things. you were previously infected and you are now likely to be protected, at least for a while. >> we think it will be a tool to help us get people back to work. it will be additional information because as you know, if you have an antibody, that means you have been exposed and have recovered from it. that with the information about diagnosis should help. >> reporter: that's why public health organizations around the world want these antibody tests because it could help some people get back to their daily lives. you remember the swab test we're all familiar with? well, that tests for the virus itself, specifically its genetic material. problems are, first of all, at some point after you recover, that test will be negative. and secondly, a lot of people have had trouble getting that diagnostic test in the first place. the antibody test is more definitive. there are only a few reasons you would have antibodies in your blood.
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you got someone else's antibodies by an injection of their blood, you got a vaccine which teaches your body to make antibodies or you were infected. the antibody test requires a sample of your blood and this trip which has proteins from the virus on it. if your blood reacts to that strip, it means you have antibodies in your blood. >> and i think really being able to tell them -- the peace of mind that would come from already knowing that you were infected, you have antibody, you're safe from reinfection, 99.9% of the time, and so this, i think, would be very reassuring to our front line health care workers. >> reporter: another benefit of antibody testing, surveillance. in places like miami-dade county, florida, santa clara county, california, and telluride, colorado, they have already started using antibody tests to get a better sense of how many people, many of whom will be surprised to learn have already been exposed to the virus.
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>> whoever volunteers is getting tested twice, and the purpose of that is to see who zero converts and develops the antibodies, meaning who was actively infected during this period of quarantine. >> reporter: a cdc spokesperson told cnn the agency has already used these tolls to, quote, monitor contacts of infected people and to identify individuals who due to mild infection may have not known they were infected. getting the antibody tests up and running, much like the tests to detect the virus itself, have been challenging. in a rush to get these tests to market the fda lowered the regulatory standards and what followed were a lot of unreliable and inaccurate tests. >> there's a series of antibody tests out there that have not been validated. some of the tests that may be available on the internet may have very low sensitivity and specificity and give you a false reassurance that you either -- give you a false positive or a
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false negative, implying that you may be protected. >> and of course that was a special report from sanjay gupta. "outfront" next, helping those who are helping us. how do we address that the huge psychological issues, the crisis that is looming for those who are on the front lines of the coronavirus? the doctor who is treating some of her fellow health professionals who has just survived her own fight with coronavirus is next. crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest. many of life's moments in thare being put on hold. are staying at home, at carvana, we understand that, for some, getting a car just can't wait. that's why the new way to buy and sell a car is also the safer way. at carvana, you can do it all 100% online from home, with a touchless delivery and pick-up process to keep you safe. and for even greater peace of mind, all carvana cars come with a seven-day return policy.
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"outfront" now is the doctor. thank you for your time. i just before we talk about what you're doing now to help others i want people to understand a little bit about you. you and your husband tested positive for the virus. you have recovered now. tell me about that. how that happened and how severe it was for you yourself. >> absolutely. my husband and i did test positive. we're not sure how with e got it. it could have been the subway. or a jewish event. we're not sure. everybody from that party seemed to come down with symptoms after. for me it was minimal. however, for my poor husband he actually started immediately getting really sick and had to he was out and a few days later got shortness of breath. and had to be hospitalized for a few days which was terrifying
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because this was at the beginning of the new york epidemic of the coronavirus. and everything from other countries we didn't know which direction it was going. was he on a ventilator. he got better. and i'm a spiritual person. i called every single spiritual person i knew to pray for my husband. rabbis and priests. a will the of energy workers. he was discharged with a few days thank god. and as all this was happening, i was sick with coronavirus myself. feeling under the weather. and my patients were starting to -- i treat so many front line workers. were going crazy. this is happening at the same time. it was panda -- we were so i offer patient hope that most people get through it. it's okay. >> that has to be an incredible
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part of t. you have gone through it. you can see them. some of the patients. i understand you're treating about 15 front line medical workers. we can all sort of imagine from afar or when we have family members in the line of work. try to understand what they're going through. we really can't. we're not there putting lives on the line every day as they are. what are they talking to you about? what are they going through? >> it's quite unimaginable. they have never felt the lack of safety and security. one of my nurses that i treat she said i didn't sign up for a suicide mission. some are thinking do i quit because this is so dangerous. i don't want to endanger my family and children. my elderly parents. there's the question. or do i keep going. most choose to keep going. because this is a commitment and why they went into medicine. i want to care for people.
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all of us including administrators are faced with this lack of ppe. what is this disease, how do you treat it. what do you do. it's overwhelming. lack of safety and security is the tip of the iceberg. then it's everything else. putting the people that you most love in danger by vir which you of the lack of safety. >> what do you tell them? they are seeing death in a way that they often usually don't see it. they are accustomed to death and tragedy and loss. but not death alone in a room where there's no family. with without anybody. death in the lonely isolated way. what are you telling them? it's deeply individual. for many people now having the feelings of fair kp
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loneliness -- and fear. >> people have never like the majority of people have never dealt with this level of death. there aren't enough people to treat because doctors are coming down with covid-19. hospitals are flexed to the max. really people are just overwhelmed. and being told they have to run a marathon. but they're burned out at the end of 100 yards. what do you tell them? they have to do the best they can and keep going. remind them why they went into medicine. when something so dark and bleak that we really don't know what we're facing. when it will end. we know it will end. that's another thipg you have to remind people there's a light at the end of tunnel. we don't know how to wo work with the inner world with the circumstances. they are overwhelming. my job is give people the strength to over come and move forward. to work with their inner world
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no matter how dangerous the outer world is. every day you have to find the place of center within yourself. you have to look within and find the still and quiet. efb when everything around you is yelling and screaming and full of uncertainty. then second you have to also all the emotions come at you. there's ha lot. feel them. sometimes it's tempting to desensitize. and not feel. sometimes for the sake of survival you have to get through the day and not feel. if you keep doing that and hiding yr heart. emotions get the better of you and you break down. if you feel the pain and the feel the pain of the patients and the compassion. for the family members. also for yourself for being in the situation. you're able to move through this and metabolize emotions freely than just putting up a wall. those are two things. >> all right.
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