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welcome to our second hour of "360." chris cuomo is home recuperating. the worst week of the pandemic so far. president trump wants the country to reopen based on signs that peak might be coming soon. spoke to director at university of washington, new study cited by white house. dr. chris murray said if we stop at may 1st, seeing return to almost where we are now, sometime in july. rebound may not happen in every state as some are farther along but a substantial risk of rebound remains if we don't wait until the point where most transmission is near zero in each state. matches up with "new york times" report that says government projections show a spike this summer if stay-at-home orders

are lifted after 30 days. lifting the current orders after 30 days could mean as many as 200,000 deaths even if schools are closed and some social distancing is still followed. those are the government's numbers. i'll talk to political leaders from both coasts. for more, erika hill in new york. governor cuomo sounding cautiously optimistic that new york is slowing the infection rate despite the high deaths this week. >> reporter: he used those words. cautiously optimistic. looking at the three-day average. hospitalizations are down. admissions to the icu also down. good news. but deaths still high, 737 on thursday. he was clear, anderson, the reason we're seeing the dip in hospitalization, fewer people needing to go into the icu, is because of the measures put in place days and even weeks ago that people have been following. so now, as you just pointed out,

is no time to lift any of those orders. >> in the city, mayor de blasio responded to stories of mass burials. what did he say? >> reporter: there was a public cemetery on hart island in new york city, which has been used for some time to bury those who don't have a person to claim their body after their death. there were rumors that mass burials would happen there because of victims of covid-19. the mayor said today there will not be mass burials. will people be buried there? yes, bodies that have gone unclaimed unfortunately. the mayor said each and every person brought there for burial will be treated with the utmost dignity and respect. >> in terms of opening up again, something the president has continued to push for by next month, what did governor say? >> reporter: he's not pushing for it next month. that is clear. he's said multiple times you cannot just flip a switch.

has to be gradual and number of things they have to figure out for that. and paramount is testing. not just diagnostic but antibody testing. they have developed a test. the department of new york health department has it. they can test 300 people a day right now, two weeks from now, about 2,000 tests. but millions of new yorkers need to go to work. he's calling on the federal government to bring in the defense production act here. he says that testing really needs to be scaled up and sees that was one way to happen. saying new york city is ready to work with the government. president was asked about that at briefing today and didn't seem inclined to use the dpa for that practice. >> thank you. dr. sanjay gupta is joining us, and senior investigative

correspondent drew griffith is also joining us. sanjay, testing, mixed messes. president saying vast areas of the country don't need testing. i think he said iowa, places without a lot of cases don't need huge amounts of testing to get back to work. dr. birx says there needs to be quote, laser focused, strategic approach to testing, a mosaic approach to testing combined with surveillance. we know there's not contact tracing in place. can you explain what it means? >> we need to test. places a couple of weeks ago thought they had dodged all this, wouldn't need significant testing, now they have thousands of patients with infection in those places. clearly we need testing everywhere. what people are comingling in terms of definitions here -- we don't need to test everybody in the country. people thought this means complete country testing, 325 million people.

i don't think anybody is saying that but we obviously need to do more broader surveillance. so the mosaic that i think dr. birx was talking about, continue to test the people coming into the hospitals. remember, most of people who get this infection don't need to go into the hospitals. find other places to test in the community, maybe primary care doctors, places like that. also layer in the antibody testing, first test looks for virus, antibody testing looks for evidence you've been exposed to the virus. gives you idea of surveillance as well. all these things will be necessary. as you know, anderson, as we've talked about, if you find somebody who has the infection, you have got to trace their contacts. that involves a lot of -- laborious task, lot of people involved with doing that. all those need to happen. >> dr. desai. dr. birx stressed that epidemiologists don't know how far it has penetrated in the

community and they don't know if the half million cases reported in the u.s. are tip of the iceberg or half of the ice berg or three quarters of the iceberg. former commissioner of the fda, dr. scott gottlieb. >> we do those tests mass scale. serology tests. test population broadly to find out who is exposed. and develop antibodies. i think we'll find 1% to 5% of the total population. pockets could be higher, queens, new york is probably higher percentage. but low overall. even professionals exposed to this virus, tsa workers, checkout lines in grocery stores, health care workers, people who touch a lot of people as part of their job, i think you'll find the level of exposure is about 10%, not very high. there's not a mass population of people immune to the virus who can return to work safely, it's a rather small percent. >> do you think that's accurate that very small part of the population has actually had the virus?

>> i do. i think that's about right. in fact what i think we're going to realize, which is going in line with the comments you just heard, are that percentage is going to vary, talking about downtown new york or rural wyoming. one other point about serology, this test like any other has chance of false positives and negatives. we have to figure out standard to apply to determine whether we believe a certain level of antibody really means you're immune. that's a big issue coming weeks as well. >> dr. fauci saying that testing is the bridge to reopening the economy. what is the latest you're learning about the country's capabilities for testing, gearing capabilities. >> testing is getting better, testing for the actual virus of sick people. supply is still short in some places but they're able to fill the gap by moving stuff around.

all in all testing is getting better. but it's this antibody testing that's beginning to roll out, dr. fauci teased it next week or so, and seemed to indicate more than one test. only one test is approved by fda for eau use. that's a very small company in research triangle park that i've had trouble getting in touch with, anderson. unless there are other companies doing the antibody tests that are going to be manufacturing in big, big numbers, we'll probably have a small rollout like we did for the coronavirus test itself. >> as gavin newsom, governor of california said, it's not just the test but the reagents and swabs needed. >> nose swabs, hear it all the time, they're in short supply. when the president says we don't need to test everywhere, we do. and make sure in iowa when they have a problem they have the

nose swabs that go with the test. >> i'll play another clip from dr. gottlieb. >> rule of thumb there are 3.8 million encounters with the primary care system every week. might want to test that level of people. upwards of 3.8 million people every week, presenting to health care system for whatever reason, swab them for coronavirus for the time being to detect outbreaks while they're small. >> interesting idea, people going to see hospitals and doctors and medical providers for other things be tested just as a sampling. does that make sense to you? >> it does make total sense. and scott gottlieb referring to primary care office, not even in the hospital. because you know, again, a very small percentage of people who have this infection will need to go to the hospital. he said 3.8 million visits a

week, 750,000 tests a day, starting to get a sense of what this might look like to do it adequately. doesn't mean you'll get to 325 million people but roughly a million tests a day and you'll start to get good sense how widespread this is and find people infected and isolate them, start to think about -- talk about mitigation. but as we end the curve, want to go back into containment mode and contain people with the infection as well as their contacts. >> i understand the nih took steps forward today to start testing people all over the country with at-home mail kits. what is the potential size and scope of that? >> and it's a test, a survey basically that could give us a first glimpse of how much coronavirus has or has not penetrated the united states. want to get 10,000 volunteers, screen them over the phone, send

them at-home test kits for antibody test when it's ready and get them back. and see in random sampling, who had it, didn't have it, where the pockets are. >> dr. desai, current tests are imperfect. the committee cited one study of 51 coronavirus patients and found the test missed 16 of the cases. you believed you had coronavirus and test came back negative, should that give us all pause? you referenced that before but seems worth focusing on if it's that high false negative rate. >> let's walk through that. i had symptoms, cough, fever, shortness of breath, infectious disease doctor, let's get tested. i did the swab. dy it correctly. and it came back negative. there are three options. either it's right and i didn't

have covid-19 but another virus. other option, saying i don't have it now but did have it. if i received a serology test kit, maybe have igg response to tell me i had it in the past. third option, most concerning, i do have covid-19 right now and test just missed it. that's what i'm getting at. as you have thousands of folks getting tested, this issue is going to get bigger and bigger, we're going to start wondering. we thought that person was immune and could start a business. now that person was touching and handling something that affected hundreds of other people and they were not immune. what does that mean? another outbreak on our hands? until we beef up testing and good, clear sense and confidence that the immune levels mean something we'll be where we are right now, research phase. >> thank you very much.

just ahead the president today said he and the other states has the power to reopen the economy. governor of connecticut comes on to talk about that and recovery effort. and in-depth look at what the president said publicly to what the white house knew privately as the cases went from single digits to almost now half a million. business as usual. that's why working together is more important than ever. at&t is committed to keeping you connected. so you can keep your patients cared for. your customers served. your students inspired. and your employees closer than ever. our network is resilient. our people are strong. our job is to keep your business connected . it's what we've always done. it's what we'll always do.

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day, 1,953 people died today, most ever in the u.s. in single day. tonight, we've been talking about when the country might be ready to reopen. something the president suggested he wants to do as soon as possible. governors issued stay-at-home orders, it's their decision to rescind them, president said any decision to reopen the country is his. >> states can do things if they want. i can override them if i want. i have great authority if i want to use it. i would rather have the states use it. this is so shocking, and a lot of people say, he's really reasoned, a lot of people are shocked. i have absolute authority to use it. >> connecticut governor ned lamont joining us now, one of the hardest hit states and one of the most deaths per capa. thanks for being with us. does the president in your opinion, most legal analysts say this is not the case, does the president have the power to reopen the states?

reopen the country. it's a decision from what i understand from the constitution that lies with governors and local officials. >> i think the president should give us guidance, the federal government should give us guidance but then leave it up to each and every governor. every situation is different, and you don't want to have someone act prematurely. like when president years ago hung up mission accomplished sign with dangerous consequences. don't want to be premature. >> you signed an executive order said extending social distancing in connecticut until may 20th, more than a month from now. are you using different metrics from the president? that's not something the white house has done at this stage. >> i'm using the same metrics as dr. fauci and dr. birx. we want to give people notice, superintendents and teachers and students to know what they can expect and plan for.

may 20th gives them that opportunity. doing online learning, education hasn't stopped, but want people to plan accordingly and take social distancing seriously. sometimes i worry people will take foot off the accelerator too early. >> i'm sure you're thinking >>. >> what i'm sure you're thinking about this as well, but what does reopening look like in a broad stroke? testing, contact tracing, that's also up to each state, are you equipped to have a lot of contact tracing? very extensive contact tracing which a lot of scientists say it necessary. antibody testing? >> i heard your previous panelists, testing, antibody testing is far from perfect but we've got to start somewhere. i want to test first responders, make sure the doctors and nurses going into the hospital are safe and have built up immunity.

i've got tens of thousands of people in defense industry going into factories every day, by law we have to keep that open. want them to be tested as well as priority. make sure that people who have to get to work can do so safely. >> and then would -- you see the pictures in asia of people with hand-held thermometers everywhere testing random people to give them entry into a restaurant, mall or office building. is that something we'd likely see state to state? >> i think it makes all the sense in the world, especially for factories. we have thousands of people going into a factory. a factory can be just as contagious as a nursing home if you're not careful. yes, i think we should have fever thermometers for all of those people going in and out to test them on a daily basis and keep them safe. >> might be dumb question but does the state have enough thermometers? i've been looking, it's hard to find right now.

>> we have orders out for tens of thousands of thermometers. thousands have started arriving. we have smart thermometers for random testing across the state. bluetooth to iphone, up to the cloud, so we'll be able to track fevers all around the state over the next few weeks to give us an idea how this virus is progressioning or decelerating. >> i went to every pharmacy in new milford for a thermometer, couldn't find one. i'll keep looking. you tweeted you're starting to see a flattening of the curve. is it about what you expected? are you relieved? it's hard to say that given the toll it's taking. >> i define it by hospitalization. that's best metric to see how the virus is progressing. obviously infections is conditioned upon how much testing you're doing. so yeah, we're seeing in

fairfield county, southern connecticut, closest to the new york city epicenter, a slowing of the hospitalization rate. that gives us a little bit of hope. maybe the next few days i'll be able to say something more affirmatively. but at the same time the virus is moving upstate pretty quickly. we have slowed it with social distancing, just remind everybody it really makes a difference. >> governor lamont, appreciate it. >> thanks anderson. >> david gergen, adviser to former presidents and juliet kayyem. the president is saying he has great authority to reopen the country and can override state's decisions. it's interesting because he didn't issue a nationwide stay-at-home order and said let's leave it up to the governors. it is up to the governors in a situation like this, under law. the president, i mean they can issue guidelines, can use the

bully pulpit, but that's the tent of it, i think, the extent of it, i think, isn't it? >> it's very clear that the president can have great influence on the states. issued cdc guidelines by the president and had effect but they were not orders. also have seen that governors in the country are a really strong lot, not going to take it lying down. like governor lamont, he's got to may 20th, not going to back away if the president comes in and says may 1st, he will going to contest, it and maybe go to the courts and it could be a mess. you had gavin newsom on saluting the president for cooperation and meeting his requests. at the same time he's not going to allow washington, d.c., to tell him how his citizens should live and behave. >> and juliet just as it is up to the governors and local officials how to reopen, it is

also to do the contact tracing, to do the testing is, also up to local officials, that's really what it boils down to. >> it will definitely be at tactical level. president is under mistaken belief he's relevant to the task at hand. odd leadership role he's taken. he's not doing the things he ought to do, surveillance in january and february, getting test kits to the states, preparing all of us for what was about to happen, using the defense production act to get goods into the supply chain. and he's asserting a not -- literally does not exist, an authority that he can tell the governors what to do when it comes to powers that are reserved to the states. public safety powers, public health powers, he's trying to make himself relevant. as you were both saying, in absence of the leadership, governors and mayors in private sector and people like us who

every day stay inside take matters into our own hands because of that lack of leadership. >> what do you -- when you think about a state going back to work, what are some of the thoughts that go into that process? >> yeah, it's a really interesting because the plan is being worked out by people outside of government, and various experts thinking it through. how we think about it is not a date but metrics. you want to see increased testing capacity, hopefully treatments come on line so people would be if they were infected could have treatments. want to look at icu capacity, hospital capacity, and other metrics. i don't think about a date. i don't tell my kids about a date. massachusetts hasn't even hit peak yet. then as those metrics are met, you start to think about reopening. it's not going to be a light

switch, people. it's going to be slow. start to think about places that are essential, schools, other retail, then the sporting stuff coming at the way end. it's a very long process. >> things like restaurants, bars -- >> go ahead. >> restaurants, bars, huge economy, restaurants, that's later on? is that what you're saying? >> i think what you have to think is either serve differently, half the number of tables, might be testing for temperature to go into those restaurants or bars. it's going to be so different for us. we don't quite comprehend it yet. we're learning from other countries. won't be a light switch and president is wrong to talk about dates. >> david, so interesting to listen to juliette talk about restaurants. when our correspondent in china was talking about testing people in restaurants before they can

be allowed to go in, this was two months ago, i had never heard that before, and i was like wow, that's crazy they test people in restaurants. now seems like a totally normal, wise idea. >> just think about it, if you had dinner scheduled with four or five friends and didn't know whether they had been tested and you hadn't yourself, you're going to be reluctant to go to that dinner. there's a sinister force out there, people are frightened about that. i think reopening will be prolonged, especially consumer services. when the public is in public spots, it's going to be hard to launch these football season and other things that bring crowds together. another thing if i might, the president was talking about this would be the hardest decision he's going to make. may well be hardest political decision he's going to make because he's got a big gamble

either way. if he pushes hard as he wants to do and reopens in may, he has to be gambling he won't have a big spike. if it comes along in summer or fall, he's done for reelect. if he listens to health officials and says let's open later, may well have double digit unemployment come november and might be done then. not an easy choice to make but big one. >> juliette, based on everything you know, before stay-at-home orders are lifted, you talked about some of the metrics that you would look at. who determines -- is it governors who determine what a company does for their employees? >> yeah, generally. basically what you're seeing is a whole series, people are preparing for, this so viewers should be grateful that there's lots of planning going around what it would look like. governor will set the conditions of what can open.

commercial activity or curfews to impact things, transportation, all things that go into the commercial activity, the governors will basically set the baseline. but various private institutions or companies are thinking about staged reopenings. that's how they have to think about it. let's say you have one store with a sick employee, you're going to have to close that store for a period of time. as david was saying, next 18, 24, 36 months from planner's perspective, we're just managing around the virus, living with the virus until we get a vaccine. trust me, it's going to be easier than this, we'll have more tools. ways to identify it and treatments. but we're going to be maneuvering for many years. got to brace ourselves for this. we have to think as employers, university presidents and governors are thinking about how

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considering size and scope of the population, california has been faring relatively well during the pandemic, earlier on "360," governor gavin newsom said one reason is social distancing. mayor eric garcetti, how is the city of los angeles doing tonight? >> it's very sad every day to see the roll call, lost two city employees this week. but we've been less hard hit than other areas of the country. one of the first areas in america to go deep with social distancing and closing down meetings. five days in a row of single digit increases.

i certainly won't be happen until there are negative numbers day it day but single digit increases show we are bending that curve, even though we know the peak has not come yet. >> los angeles county has extended stay-at-home order for may 15th at least. set to end a week from now. talk about why you think that was important to do and to announce that now. >> we take our advice from doctors. not politicians, not close friends and not just on instinct, but listening to public health professionals. that was the clear advice. tough in a city like this, doing relatively better, even though rough for everybody and economically devastating for us all to tell everybody it's time to put foot on the accelerator, but seeing it around the world. even places that have done well early on now seeing spikes. looking at history, where san francisco in 1918 declared victory early only to have a whole wave of deaths. to the point earlier of folks on the show, i think it was t-is

important. l.a. was proud to be among the first doing the measures but had to wait until everybody did it together. this virus doesn't care what city is first or second. coming out of this, we need to do it together, need national leadership to establish the standards. my big idea is to have a cares corps, like a peace corps or teacher kors from presidents past to put hundreds of thousands of americans to work as public health professionals, helping count, track, trace, and intervene quickly as well as helping with the blood tests that we will need to get back to work. >> even people just taking temperatures of people. governor of connecticut said they've ordered a lot of thermometers. is that something california or los angeles has doon, has done as well? >> absolutely. we've had to go alone with this from the beginning, super

governor has helped a lot but been on the phone with mayors up and down the state, around the country. compare masks and equipment and had to stand up testing on our own, even with the city not having medical department, taken our firefighters, now 22 are open. per capita surpassed what south korea has been able to test, the gold standard. had to do that all through our own creativity and on our own. it's now time for national leadership to come in and establish standards. new rules for the workplace like osha rules keep us safe, we need covid rules. and we'll need something like a cares corps, staff up like in san francisco, with librarians and medical school students to help the health professionals without enough people on staff today. these are things we should be hurriedly doing. it's not about a date but having the infrastructure to return people to more normal life at work, school and in public. >> is the federal government

giving health guidelines about an employee workplace situation, how that would even work, does everybody have to wear a mask when they are inside their offices is, it six feet apart still, and is that being worked on by the federal government? are you expecting to hear that? >> yeah, some are. the president talked about it. many states are. i have an advisory group of leading economists, business leaders, workers, others, union representatives thinking through those things. but advice for president and congress, don't wait for this to be dispersed to 50 states and tens of thousands of cities but come up with standards now. give us funding at local level to hire people out of work to do this work. and scale up the blood tests to have those standards and tests and people ready to go. every day we wait is one more

day of economic suffering. another day to find $10 billion to keep people alive. quicker we do this, better off we'll be and will show example to the world how to recover from this. >> it is also worth mentioning, public health departments for decades have been underfunded all across the country. so to actually ramp up, if we're going to get serious about contact tracing and not just leave it up to the infected person to have somebody making the contacts and really doing it, it will require hiring a lot of people. >> one estimate we heard this week was 300,000 people. spoke with speaker pelosi this morning, had good call with the administration during the day as well, with governor newsom talking about how to help. 300,000 people. this would be a wonderful opportunity. just as president kennedy had the peace corps and president johnson had the teacher corps, what better way to step up and

help the country to do something bigger than yourself, and accelerate the day we can get back to work and save our economy. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate you anderson. president trump has been taking center stage, sometimes speaking and taking questions for marathon sessions. today going to look at the time line before the briefings started. and then as they began to take shape. >> are there words about a pandemic at this point? >> not at all. we have it totally under control. one person coming in from china. we have it under control. it's going to be just fine. >> this is president donald trump on january 22nd, one day after the first reported case of coronavirus in the u.s. there were more than 300 cases in china and quickly spreading to other countries. >> this is where authorities believe the source of the science is, wildlife and seafood market. you can see it's cordoned off, police at all corners. >> china had alerted cdc

direct ber the outbreak on january 3rd. according to the "washington post," white house aides met with mick mulvaney, acting white house chief of staff, on january 27th, and asked him to get the white house to pay more attention to the virus. president trump did acknowledge the virus three days later in his speech in michigan, but only to once again down play the threat. >> we're working closely with china and other countries and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us, i can assure you. >> january 29th, white house trade adviser peter navarro wrote first of two memos about dire warnings about the spread of the virus in the u.s. warned the virus could cause more than 500,000 deaths in the united states. the president has said he doesn't see the memo. this wasn't the first time the administration was alerted to the threat. according to abc news, intelligence community had been raising concerns about contagion

in china since november and in january started including information about it in the president's daily brief. >> when did you first learn? >> about the gravity of it, it was sometime just prior to closing the country to china. >> the president is referring to january 31st, when the white house announced travel restrictions with china. >> foreign nationals other than immediate family of u.s. citizens and permanent residents who have traveled in china within the last 14 days will be denied entry into the united states for this time. >> according to "new york times," more than 40,000 people still arrived in u.s. from china in months after the ban was enacted. next week, february 5th, senate voted to acquit the president in the impeachment trial. >> not guilty. >> though at the time the president said he wasn't paying attention to the impeachment trial, he now says it may have distracted him from responding to the coronavirus. >> did it divert your attention?

or the team's attention, or the vice president's attention? >> i don't like to think it did. i think i handled it well, probably did. i got impeached. >> after the trial ended, president was again downplaying the seriousness of the situation. >> by the way, the virus, they're working hard, looks like by april in theory when it gets a little warmer, miraculously goes away. hope that's true. >> february 23rd, peter navarro's second memo warning that more than 1 million americans could potentially die. at this point the virus had spread to 28 countries and more than 78,000 cases. the next day, the president tweeted, the coronavirus is very much under control in the usa. that wasn't the tone from the cdc in a briefing to reporters the day after that tweet. >> it's not so much a question if this will happen anymore but rather more a question exactly when this will happen. >> this is the president the day after that cdc briefing. >> i don't think it's inevitable. i think there's a chance it

could get worse, could get fairly substantially worse but nothing's inevitable. when you have 15 people with the whole world coming into the united states and 15 people are better or close to being better, that's pretty good. >> just three days later, first death in the u.s. from the coronavirus took place in washington state. as cases grew, so did confusion over testing, vaccines and treatment. march 6th, president toured the cdc. >> i like this stuff, i really get it. people are surprised that i understand it. every one of these doctors said how do you know so much about this? maybe i have natural ability, maybe should have done that instead of running for president. >> also made a promise not true then or now. >> anyone who wants a test can get a test. >> testing was not widely available on that date and still isn't. five days later the president addressed the nation in the oval office in a statement meant to reassure the public but it was

filled with errors starting with travel restrictions with europe. >> the prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of train but various other things as we get approval. >> trade and cargo were not included in the travel restrictions. the president had to clarify that after the speech. also promised coverage for all coronavirus treatments. >> earlier i met with leaders of health insurance industry who agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments and to prevent surprise medical billing. >> only testing not treatment for policy holders was agreed to by the insurance industry. it wasn't until march 13th the president declared a national emergency. his tone now different than in months earlier. >> you're talking about the virus? no, that's not under control for any place in the world. >> going to bring back in former presidential adviser david gergen. clearly the president has been

using the briefings as opportunity to rewrite the history of his administration's response to the virus, his comments about the virus. do you think that's successful? look at poll numbers and again it breaks down along political lines of how people see the president's response. >> it has been increasingly unsuccessful. i think it's actually harming him now. just last couple of days, "wall street journal" editorial page told the president shut up, get off the stage, leave it to the experts, come out when you need to, leave it to the experts. now brit hume, dean at fox news and well respected he has come out and tweeted basically, mr. president, would you please get off the substantial. these rambling, narcissistic apologetic -- not apologetic but sort of back patting, self-congratulatory sessions are increasingly painful for a lot

of people to watch. i understand why he's doing it, tucking it right up close as he can to primetime, getting big audiences which he loves of course -- >> he's -- >> rallies. literally talking about and tweeting about his ratings on these things. >> right. >> which is extraordinary. >> i mean people think it's normal now, but it's not normal >> that's right. the briefings are become a joke and increasingly the press corps is staying very negative about it but the public is turning off, too. i think he would be well advised to pull back, speak less and more seriously and less self-congratulatory. polls, the bump is gone he got from rally around the flag, cnn poll has him behind biden by 11 points, bigger than the actual difference but nonetheless, that is a pretty big negative bounce for him. >> it is also extraordinary to

it as much anymore. but, you know, vice president pence, i mean, you know, i can't tell how many -- for a while, i was counting how many times he would start a sentence with saying, at the president's direction, we did this. i mean, it's -- it is just sort of -- it becomes a joke, after a while. >> i think that's right. and it's -- it's beneath the dignity of the president. and, you know, i just wish, for the country's sake, we need leadership now, at the presidential level, that matches the leadership we are seeing at the gubernatorial level. you know, with cuomo and so many others. >> yeah. and there's a difference between leadership and cheerleadership. david gergen, thanks very much. up next, we continue to remember the victims of the pandemic. and they just came out perfect. - [announcer] check out our huge selection of custom apparel for every occasion. you'll even get free shipping. get started today at customink.com.

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to remember those who have passed away in recent weeks from the virus. chris madden was known in his community in new york. he was part of the school board, the chamber of commerce. set up the community neighborhood watch program. the week before he died, chris posted on his facebook page. he asked everyone for prayers. his community mourns him, as does his wife and three children. chris madden was just 49 years old. father jorge, was the pastor of st. bridges church in brooklyn. he is the first u.s. catholic priest to die from the virus. he celebrated mass as recently as march 19th in a live stream for his parishioners, who were watching from home. in that sermon, he said there is no better time than this time of trials, this time of challenges, to fulfill our call to holiness. at these moments of trial and crisis, at these times when maybe we are asking what will happen to us, trust in the father, he said. father jorge was 49.

ellis jr. was a new orleans jazz legend. he was the proud dad of six kids. four of them, also renowned musicians. ellis was a pianist and composer, and he was the first chair of the jazz studies program at the university of new orleans. winton called his dad a humble man, with a lyrical sound that captured the spirit of place, new orleans. he also said i grew up seeing how much he struggled and sacrificed to represent and teach vital human values, that floated far above the stifling segregation and prejudice that defined his youth, but strangely enough, also imbued his art with an even more pungent and biting accuracy. ellis marcellus jr. our prayers with all those affected by the virus and the days ahead. the news continues right now. i want to turn things over to erin for "erin burnett

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