prime time. the president can try to rewrite history and cover up and do what he does best, which is cover his own flank. but all americans want to know, all we must demand to know is how the hell is he going to get us out of this. saying time to reopen is not enough when 23,000 lay dead. more than half a million of us are sick. you know i have it. i'm fighting through it. most of us are fighting through it. but how can we expect it to go through this again? how can we be expected to do that? well, that's what they're telling us. if you're going to reopen and you don't have a plan to track cases and keep a safe -- you are damning us to repeat our own ruin. that's a fact. it's the top question that

governors from coast to coast are demanding an answer to. because the president says keeping us safe, the testing is on them. they tell you. one after the other, as you'll hear tonight, they can't do it. so if trump says he has total authority to decide what happens, but he doesn't have total commitment to making sure it happens, where will we be? it's not in america's best interest. we have to prepare a way forward before people all fall back. our answer is for us to be on this question, together ever as one. let's get at it. >> you know, such as the story of the coronavirus. as we finally seem to start

coming together in big collectives and quiet areas and staying at home, we see the curves starting to flatten. we see the worst expectations being backed off by experts. that's good. that is proof that the remedy was realistic. it doesn't mean they were wrong. that is a silly notion. because their projections were based on whether or not we did the right things. we're doing the right things. it's working. but if we don't have as good a plan going forward, what happens when we remove the only measure keeping us safe? this will meet you with urgency. but maybe not as much as it meets my ears. because i'm sick. because i talk to people who are sick all the time. and i am kind of bathed in their battles. and i can't believe that this

president would want to expose any more of them to what i may battle as someone who is strong and lucky for a month. i can't believe that we would put parents and people, young and old, in that position, all across this country without a plan. it makes no sense. the president can't reopen the country with a big bang without a big plan. you've got to have one. you got here by not having a plan. repeating it would be insanity. it literally makes me sweat just as an idea. so let's talk. let's be calm. let's be pressured and let's be persistent, okay? our first guest tonight is the connecticut governor. all right? now, he has been watching what's been happening. i want him to respond to this latest notion about what our future should be.

>> the president of the united states calls the shots. when somebody is the president of the united states, the authority is total. that's the way it's got to be. >> total? your authority is total? >> it's total. governors know that. the governors know that. you have a couple of -- excuse me, excuse me. >> nobody knows that. let's be very clear. we're about to talk to a governor. the governor of new york, my brother, he doesn't agree with this. nobody agrees with this. there's a legitimate tenth amendment issue about states' rights in the absence of those rights being directly delegated to the federal government. they are reserved in the states. but this is a bigger problem that i don't want to burden the governor of connecticut with. but i want you to have it on your shoulders. he's saying he has the absolute authority to reopen. but he will not own the responsibility to do testing, identification, isolation and treatment of those who have cases when we do reopen. he says that's on the states.

the states say they can't handle it, so you believe that your ultimate authority, this all powerful, all powerful he is, how does he use that power, and when? would he use it to have our manufacturers make the things we need? will he take with that authority the responsibility of having a plan to test what will be fundamentally important to the well-being of your family and mine? no. then what kind of power does he really have and how can we even consider him exercising it with this type of record? perception of risk and disregarding it. connecticut's governor is ned lamont. he has developed a reputation for being a student of the situation here. watching what was happening in other places, making smart decisions for his state. governor, thank you for joining us. >> well, thank you, chris. it's nice to see you. >> now, in -- >> i'll tell you what i saw when

i heard that. >> go ahead. >> verbal hand grenades. two weeks ago he told your brother and myself, i want a mandatory quarantine of the new york metropolitan area. we called him up and talked him down. we got something more reasonable. now, two weeks later, he wants the mandatory opening up of everything. he likes us to run down these rabbit holes. you're right, the governor is going to make the determination what's best for their state. we care deeply about the health and safety of our citizens and get our economy going in a prudent, thoughtful way. >> you said verbal hand grenade. the problem is, it will blow up in your face. now he says, well, testing, that's on the states. my decision is just to reopen the economy. we'll deal with what he is doing in a moment. let's be painfully honest. i know in new york they can't handle that kind of responsibility, not with that kind of scale. can you in connecticut guarantee the people who voted for you and those who didn't, frankly,

you're in charge of all of them, if they reopen, the job markets and all of the attendant services in connecticut, that you can mark any new cases and make sure you can contact trace and get people treated? >> absolutely not. but we're working our heart out right now to get the reagents in place, make sure we do the molecular testing, ramp up our antibody testing. obviously, if the feds would take the lead on that, it would be a lot more effective. short of that, look, andrew cuomo, myself, phil murphy and six other governors got together and said we'll take the lead in the absence of the federal government. we're going to set up the rules and standards in terms of how we do our testing. connecticut will never be safe unless new york is safe and vice versa. >> you guys are doing it on the east coast. we're seeing it happening also on the west coast. the president says you're wasting your time, governors. you don't have the power. the power is mine to reopen the economy.

including everything that involves in your state and your people. do you agree? >> he's got the bully pulpit but we have to enforce it. everybody knows that it's the governors, where the rubber meets the road. i think every governor knows what it takes to get it done. just like he said when i'm in a mandatory quarantine, new york city, we had to say, mr. president, there are 120 roads, not to mention ferries and railroads in and out. there's no way to do that. he didn't do it. >> now, if he says to you, listen, i'm doing it, you're right, you'll figure it out ned lamont, governor of connecticut. but i'm telling you right now, you're going to reopen. how can you follow that order? how can you comply when you know you can't keep your people safe? >> i could not keep my people safe if we tried to do that overnight. telling me that anybody go in and out of nursing homes when our nursing homes are on fire. look, we've still got a rising infection rate in this state.

we still have rising hospitalizations. not as fast as two weeks ago, thank god, but they're still going up fast. the boat is very tippy right now. this is the time for steady leadership. let's not throw any more of these verbal hand grenades. >> you know why he throws them, governor. again, i'm very careful, not just with my brother but all the governors, all the leaders. i don't want to put you sideways with the president. i know he can punish. i know you have to think about your people, getting the resources. i'm telling you, if nobody stands up and says, i know it sounds good, i know it's what a lot of us want to hear. i want to hear it, governor. i'm sick of being in my basement. i want to get out and be better and go out and do the things i want to do. you know what, i'm not ready. i still have a low-grade fever. i'm a metaphor for this country. they think it sounds good. they're going to keep saying the right things and you're saying

the wrong things. unless governors like you stand up and say he's not not giving it to you straight, we're not ready to reopen, can you say that? >> i can say that. that's what we had nine governors today say. they said we're going to open it up on a thoughtful basis. i'm not going to send hundreds of typhoid marys in the community and have another round of reinfection. talk about taking the confidence out of this economy. talking about taking people down. if we let that happen, shame on us. not one governor will let that happen. not to their state, not to their broader community. >> governor, just quickly, again, because you have been, i believe, fairly called out in a good way, whatever the good version of being called out is, celebrated for being a student of the situations around you. okay? you've watched, you've acted with deliberate speed. good for you. is there any question in your mind that this federal government didn't have more that it could have done sooner to

help those who got hit earlier? >> look, within a month we're going to have all the ventilators, most of the ppe and other -- probably even testing that we needed. imagine, if we had started this three months ago, what a difference that would have made. that said, we'll have plenty time of elections and history books to realize the mistakes that were made in the past. i think every governor is saying what do we do know to get the states on track and slowly, methodically open up the economy again. >> i agree with the analysis 100%, governor. it's not for me about looking back. it's about understanding how you move forward. this president is denying that he did anything wrong because he wants to give america a false sense of confidence that he knew what to do then and he knows what to do now. if we don't do better now than we did in the first phase, we'll repeat the same situation. i just don't want to see that human pain. governor ned lamont, thank you for your candor. i know it can come at a price.

but i think right now we're at such a pivotal moment, we need our leaders with one voice to say we've got to do this right or it shouldn't be done at all. governor, thank you for keeping us apprised of the situation in connecticut. thank you for making yourself available and we are available to you. >> you're looking good, chris. believe me, the governors will be speaking with one voice on this. nice to see you. >> thank you. god bless and be well. now, look, it is not easy for a governor to say what he just said. he's going to ask for things from the federal government. he may or may not get it. they punish. i'm telling you it happens on a regular basis. if you're not nice to trump, he's not nice to you. the problem is, he wields all of the tools in the federal basket. when he wants to punish you, it can stick. governor ned lamont has no reason to not want to reopen. there is no upside to being closed economically and from a

morale. but it's about leadership by balancing equities. i want to turn to the medical takeaways on this. okay? >> you know sanjay gupta. you know he understands public health. can you reopen an economy if you are not ready for the public health ramifications? sound like a no brainer question, right? why are we just about to answer it the wrong way? next. and here we have another burst pipe in denmark. if you look close... jamie, are there any interesting photos from your trip? ouch, okay. huh, boring, boring, you don't need to see that. oh, here we go. can you believe my client steig had never heard of a home and auto bundle or that renters could bundle? wait, you're a lawyer? only licensed in stockholm. what is happening? jamie: anyway, game show, kumite, cinderella story. you know karate? no, alan, i practice muay thai,

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it's time to shape our future. president was doing what he does best today. attacking those who criticize him. it doesn't matter. this is no time to back away from power. we have to call out the facts. the facts are very clear. this administration led by this president down played the threat of the coronavirus for weeks. if we had used those weeks to enforce the messages and get the resources that we did since, we would be in a different situation. the president wants you to believe the most important thing to do was closing off china. here's his argument. >> what do you do at the time -- >> the month of february.

>> you know what we did? >> what do you do -- >> what do you do when you have no case in the whole united states, when you -- excuse me. you reported it. zero cases, zero deaths on january 17th. >> january. >> i said in january. >> you don't have -- >> during the time of the travel ban, what happens -- >> a lot. a lot. >> again, facts. okay? closing us away from china so the chinese don't come here and vice versa, europe as well. those were pieces. but the fundamental piece, was, is, always has been what we communicate to and among one another. do you understand? it was always about shutting down our movements in communities here and he never wanted any piece of it. and it is demonstrably false that after he closed down china,

this quiet period of about a month that they were doing so much. no they weren't. he was lying to you about this idea of this being bad, being a hoax by democrats. that there will be a trickle of cases that would magically disappear. what's most important for you to remember, he was being told by people in and around him in the white house that that wasn't true. for weeks. let's bring in dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, my friends in washington say don't get too heated up. don't get too heated up. this is the time, brother. this is the time. because you reopen the economy without a plan that allows for people to be rapidly tested, traced, identified, treated and isolated, there will be thousands more like me losing months of their lives to this virus. you know it and i know it.

it's unacceptable. we can't have it go forward if they don't have a plan, sanjay. not if we can avoid it by getting the american people on the same page. >> there's plenty of evidence now, chris. you know, both around the world and throughout history of that being a problem. if you open up too early, there's resurgences. now they're modeling it for all the different counties around the united states. chris, i want to bring up a point that i think you'll appreciate. a nuanced point but it goes back to the timing of things. put up the timeline i created for a second. i want to show you something, chris. this whole pandemic has not had the same level of concern throughout. i think that's the nuance, chris. january 7th, we find out there's a novel coronavirus. big deal. public health community, okay? new virus circulating in humans. what's this going to be? keep in mind, sars when that happened that was a coronavirus also problem.

but it ended up infecting only 8,000 people around the world, 800 people died. people are thinking is this another sars. we worried about that, that wasn't a big deal. or is this something worse. we fast forward to the end of january, they put in the ban for flights from china. you know what also happened on that day, january 31st, anthony fauci went to the lectern and he said, there's a concern that there may be asymptomatic transmission of this virus. that's a huge deal. chris, that's a huge deal. as early as the end of january, certainly by middle of february when i interviewed dr. redfield, we knew there was asymptomatic transmission. there's a nuance in here. at what point was it a big enough concern to say it's here, it's spreading, spreading asymptomatically. it's going to be a problem. as early as january 31st. certainly within a week or two after that, that was clear. that's the real issue here. >> certainly -- >> stay-at-home orders weren't

recommended until a month later. >> in washington, sanjay, not only are you right that the stay-at-homes weren't until a month later. remember, those were precipitated by who? the governors. the president didn't want his hand on them. he never wanted to say, we need to close down. that's why he didn't want to own testing. because testing would reveal realities that would force his hand so he was backing off testing as the federal requirement. but more importantly, back up sanjay's timeline. thank you so much for this. so instructive in terms of what we knew and what we did not do. january 21st, if you were to go january 25th or 6th and talk to the washington governor, you know what he was saying, right? we got to shut down. remember how when they realized it was happening in that elder facility, they started locking down everything out of real justifiable panic. that that was the only way to stop the spread. we had plenty of time, sanjay. we didn't do it.

now the president says i have absolute authority. not your bailiwick. i think he has 10th amendment issues. let's push past the law. testing is not my thing, sanjay. that's on the stage. that's on the states. but what's on me is doing the big bang and i'm going to do the big bang. if we reopen and the states, like connecticut, where his governor, ned lamont was just honest and said i cannot keep my people safe with testing if we reopen, what kind of mix does that give us around this country? >> i mean, that is the problem, chris. i mean, testing -- i'm talking about testing for the virus. there's good stuff that can come out of testing for the antibodies as well. i'm saying the basic testing we've been talking about since january. without that, widely available and widely distributed because we keep talking about the numbers of tests, that's a good thing to pay attention to. can people still get them at the end of the day? people who still need them.

can they get them? how easily is this to get because you're going to do a lot of testing. some say 750,000 tests a day as we come out of this curve to be able to identify people who have the infection, you can isolate them, contact trace them. all the stuff we're talking about. test, trace and hopefully treat, the third t. we don't have a t yet. but hopefully sometime. without it, they need help with the testing. the numbers are so high. we're going through something most of us in our lifetime have never experienced. so they're going to need the testing. they've always needed the testing. we're not out of that phase of needing the testing. by the way, i got to ask. because you look a little bit better to me, chris. are you feeling better, too? >> i feel better. i'm scared, though. i'm scared by the potential of this. it frustrates me because i can't get out of this basement.

i still have this low-grade fever. i can't shake it. and i know everybody tells me it's gradual. takes time. it's anywhere between two to three and a half weeks. but it is madness to have this little stupid fever. this 99.9 fever. the body aches are better. my breathing is better, it's getting stronger. i'm now at 500 that he wanted me to do, the spirometer. the little ball that you have to blow to make it go up. i hate it and i am a metaphor for the country. i'm saying i'm ready to get out of the basement. i'm sick of being sick. i've had it. i want it get back to work. but i'm in the ready. i don't have a plan to be ready.

that's where we are right now. it's like the president saying, no, i'm good. get out, chris. go do your job, you're good to go. i'll get people sick. >> it's so striking to me, chris. what you're describing, part of the reason i ask, each time i see you, this is instructive. this is part of how we learn. we knew this was a novel coronavirus but what does that mean exactly besides the fact it's new, no immunity to it we're all learning together. this is different from sars, which was a coronavirus. sars was not nearly as contagious as this. by the way, it was more lethal. sars was 10% fatality rate. h1n1 was super contagious. but not lethal. about a third of the rate of fatality of the flu. this one, we're learning about this. we're talking two to three weeks of illness. that's a long period of illness. is that going to be normal for everybody? we don't know. some people seem to get quite sick suddenly from this virus and some people languish along

for a period of time. thankfully, improve. that's most people. most people like you will improve. i'm confident of that. how many days for you now? >> i was diagnosed, i tested positive two weeks ago today. i probably had light symptoms a few days before it. i mean, i felt lousy. that's why i wanted to get tested. i knew i had been exposed to multiple people who tested positive. as an essential worker and stuff, i had to make sure. i was going to be too much in the mix. i got tested. you know, it's been two weeks. i'll tell you what we'll hear about, sanjay. i know this. because i've been talking to so many people around the country. people are afraid to talk about it and i'm not. this virus creates emotional illness and creates psychological illness. i'm telling you. it is in my head. not just figuratively in terms of messing with you because you're sick for a long time. it's causing people depression. it's creating brain fog.

it's creating edginess in people. that can happen from fever also, as you do your research and all that. i know you know this already, doc. i'm experiencing that. it messes with your head, this virus. i don't know where it leads you afterwards. the experts i'm talking to are saying to me increasingly, yes, yes, we've seen that. how do you treat it and where does it lead? people are having scarred lungs, they don't have the same lung capacity afterwards that they did before. we'll learn a lot of things. that's more reason to make sure we keep as few people from getting it as possible. sanjay, not everybody has the good fortune that i do. to have a sanjay on speed dial. you are a gift. thank you for helping me get through this. >> any time, brother. i'm glad we're talking about this. too many times this turns into a binary issue. people who have lived and people who have not. you'll be in the recovery column.

you'll be listed as recovered. what does that really mean to be recovered? i think you're driving at that, chris. i hope you'll keep having me back on. i'm learning. i really am. i appreciate it. >> i'm glad for you to go to school on my bad fortune. i'm kidding. sanjay, you're the best. you're always welcome and you are a gift to me. thank you. look, sanjay will tell you all day long and he's right to tell you, i'm as good as it gets. ave' got means, i have the ability to be in a nice place isolated by myself, i have a wife killing herself to take care of me and my family. i've got every box checked. my job is secure as far as i know. imagine when you have none of those things. it is really important for us to stay connected with what's going on. especially if we're all going to get on board in this great big hurry to create more risk of more cases. i want to check back with a family i introduced you to. her husband was in the hospital. now he's home and need a lot of

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all right. let's stay connected to people who are really up against this. the front line, obviously in the hospitals, but they're also really battle lines drawn in their own homes. the mandel family, greatly affected by this virus. warren, her husband is a doctor. both tested positive. he had to be hospitalized. they then sent him home, wait until you hear the story. what kind of shape he came home in. they're blessed with four kids, 17, 15, 7 and 5. now the two oldest are showing

symptoms. they have to find ways to share how to take care of 7 and 5. i was chatting with lauren this weekend. lauren thomas mandel joining us now. how are you feeling today, champ? >> i'm feeling okay. i had a very long day. it was very, very rough. we started off with some problems in the morning. but you know, besides the shortness of breath, i cannot get rid of my shortness of breath. it is very bad. >> your fever is where? >> my fever has been gone for four or five days now. i believe everything you said, the fever at 99.2, that 99.3, just want to throw the thermometer at the wall and you've had enough of it. i agree. 18 days i've been in my bedroom. i am ready to venture outside. i'm ready to be a human being again. i'd like to throw real clothes

on instead of just pajamas. you know it's coming, that there has to be an end somewhere in sight. i'm not so sure where and when. >> it's so interesting. i hope sanjay is hearing this because you and i are dealing with the same progression, but different symptoms. so i can't get rid of the fever. i'm a little bit ahead of you. susan, my writer was telling me it's two weeks tomorrow, not today. that i was diagnosed. so let's say it's tomorrow. that's 14 days really like 16 days. i can't get rid of the fever. but my breathing has gotten better. that tightness in my chest, that one big breath that you take where you don't know if you're going to cough or throw up thing. you get that pain. that is abating for me. but the fever, especially if i get amped up. like i'm freaked out about the idea of them reopening societies and not having plans to test and treat. i mean, that freaks me out. okay?

they're going to create an army of us. so i start to sweat. as soon as it starts to become something i'm serious about, i sweat. so you're dealing with your symptoms every bit as bad as mine but taking care of the little ones. how is that going? >> right. they started the -- the refrigerator opened all night. so that did not help my breathing. up and down the stairs. got on the phone, one of my brother-in-laws and my mom and step dad were able to get us necessities immediately so we were able to eat today. they're definitely running the house. they're in charge. they're doing whatever. we're trying to get ourselves back on track. the 17-year-old, thank goodness is feeling good. tomorrow he is allowed around the house. he's out of quarantine with a mask. the 15-year-old is still rearing to go. she's in the thrill of it right now, in the middle of it. hopefully she'll make a positive turn soon. you know, my husband came home yesterday. very, very weak.

the paramedics dropped him off at the bottom of my steps, the concrete steps, he had to walk up by himself. they didn't have the proper attire. couldn't walk him in. dropped his clothes on the floor. he had to bend down and pick them up. we couldn't help him. he had to walk all the way up the stairs into the 17-year-old's room and that's where he's been for the past 24 hours. >> how is he doing? >> he's doing okay. he has -- nights are not good for him. he gets panicy and nervous, his heart rate races. especially being at home, it's harder to calm down. you know, at one point he called one of his colleagues last night and called me and we got him calm and he's been pretty good today. hopefully, he's hoping for a few hours of sleep tonight so he can have some peace and strength for the next day. >> is his -- obviously the lungs were in stress, that's why he went into the hospital. double pneumonia. how is his fever? how are his symptoms? >> his fever has been gone.

he keeps checking his pulse ox. he's there with his monitors, checking it every five seconds. checking his heart rate. he says he feels good. just tired. very weak, doing a lot of stomach lying. that helps with the breathing for those people who don't have this thank goodness and don't know. you know, he's tired. it's a very, like you said earlier, it's draining. not even just physical. it's emotionally draining for an illness. >> right. whether it's the exhaustion for the fever, always being heated up, i know my head is not right. i know that i am not pumping as much iq as i normally do. when i do, it's a constant concentrated band of time. i'm exhausted for 2 1/2 hours. the reason i want to keep bringing people back to your story is is twofold. one, you checked every box of dealing with the madness at home. and also, i am blown away by

your ability to show up for your family and to deal with things that i'm barely making it through myself. i could never handle what you're handling. i think it's such an amazing testament to family. i want people exposed to that, too. the mandels are blowing me away as a sign of how families get through this together. >> yeah. well, i need an elevator. if anyone can do that, that could be fabulous so i don't have to walk the steps. every time i walk the steps, i collapse at the top. make it to my bed. check the pulse ox. you know, counting down to the next meal when i have to go down. >> the high 90s, the 02 in your blood. mid-90s -- 98, 99. so i don't have to worry. yeah. the shortness of breath for me. i can get it to 100 every once in a while. the shortness of breath is more like, i can't say not in my

chest. it's more up higher. i think my allergies are not helping. you can't take your allergy medicine or use nose sprays for sending the covid through your body. there's a lot of other complications that go with this than just having the covid. >> look, hopefully, you'll start to see people making some turns in the house. hopefully, they're right about this antibody thing and that if we make it through, we'll be better set up and that we won't keep handing it back and forth in the family. i know that you had seen different symptoms with different of your kids, your husband versus you. >> yep. >> it's a weird thing that we all have the same thing, all affected differently. now there's one silver lining to you having a hard time with the refrigerator overnight. i'm probably the only person who heard about this and was slightly happy about it. you know why? because now you're going to accept my care package. you can't send me anything. i don't like asking for help. not anymore. now i got you.

because now the refrigerator is empty. we're going to send you things because you deserve the help like everybody does and like you will do for others, god forbid they get this in their household the way you've had it in yours. i want you to know i'm thinking about you. we're going to stay in touch and send you something. >> we're at the end, chris. we're going to get better soon. we're at the end. >> well, i love your optimism. i love it. you need it. you need it for the kids. i wish you well. lauren thomas mandel, you are really what i call an american. you're getting your family through this. god bless your husband. give him a hug. and i will be back on the phone with you after the show tonight and figure out what we can send, okay, lauren? >> thank you. >> all right. imagine juggling all of that while you're sick with this.

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all right. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. now, let's apply that to our current reality. if we don't have a plan that addresses testing, tracing, isolating and treating, the cases that invariably will come up when we reopen and with no

plan we reopen anyway, we're going to have more virus spread. trump says tracking testing, that's the state's problem. my power, baby, i'm going to reopen with a big bang. that would literally be a move that will blow up in our faces. the president literally wants to repeat the route of our ruin. listen. >> we were way ahead of schedule. they said i acted late on closing down the country. everything i did was right. >> everything you did was not right. you were never ahead of schedule. you did not do what was asked of you or from you. from people. that is the truth. you had a month where you shut down travel but would not pull

the string on closing down activity communities in states. you just said you have the power to do it. by the way, i don't think you're right. but even if you're right, you still did it wrong. you still did it wrong. you still didn't close down communities when washington and california were calling for it. the governors there had to do it themselves. that's fine. that's leadership. the reason i'm making this point is republicans aren't going to tell you this. and democrats in power, look, they got to be careful. trump punishes you for what you say that seems bad for him. but we can't let it go. him saying he was ahead of the game and did everything right is a lie. fauci is telling you the truth. he was slow early on, on this. he did tell people he doesn't think america really had to worry about it. he was wrong. the picture changed. the facts changed. his appraisal changed.

and he's right that if they had done sooner, including him, we may have been in a better position. now, the fix it. now, imagine being tony fauci. the most credible man in america except on this righty fringe of people who want to protect the president or think they're protecting him. why do you think trump's numbers went up, my brothers and sisters on the right? you think it's because of tony fauci? or despite tony fauci? i'll give you a hint. it's the former. why would you go after a guy who is calming america,wh when you' getting credit for it. the only reason you can resist reality here is pure partisan poison. and i say we are sick enough from that. all levels of federal government were slow. okay? this started with going slowly, at the federal level. and that created constipation on the state process. the president didn't like the

look of the united states combatting this virus by shutting down. because he knew it would look bad for the economy, and it would be bad for the economy. i know that. you know that. most importantly, he knows it. and he's intent on lying to us about it. which has dreadful implications for his willingness to do anything differently now. the president reporting that our federal government is ready to do everything right makes no sense in the current text of where we are right now. i can literally hear him in my head right now, i have no idea why. although it's always good to talk to you at the same time. so here is the reality. people were saying to him this is going to be bad. you have to do something. that is, obviously, true now. the reporting is saul ovall ove. he didn't. why? he didn't like how it looked. he was hoping it was going to be

better than they said. he was wrong. now, the idea of missing the mark and where that leaves us now. we all know this president will protect himself. i'm not worried about him. who will protect the people from his political protection of himself? i speak for those who are sick and those who will become sick. and the families who will be burdened by that illness. i don't want to see one more go through what i am going through right now. what lauren mandel is going through in her house, with her husband sick and her sick, and the kids are sick, and people are afraid to help. but people can only do so much. we have to protect ourselves from more of this. we have to protect our healthcare workers from more of this. we want to call them our heroes. we want to cheer for them.

but we're going to reopen our economy and our communities without a plan to test? we are throwing them under the bus. the big bang and an explosion in their face and you know it. or, at least, you know it now. this president is in the business of shunning responsibility. he didn't want to own the decision to shut down the country. the travel restrictions were the easy part. this was always about restricting access within the country. it's the best prophylactic device we have. it's what's flattening the curve. as soon as the cases started to come, the only thing that trump was arguing about was who needed to do the testing and that it wasn't him. that's what it was about. it will only be a trickle. the cases are going to disappear. it's going to be fine. and all this testing stuff. this is on the states. was never true. and so this is where we are. here is the argument to you. it was never going to be a trickle.

it will not be a trickle if he reopens. and if we do not have a plan, you are asking for people to get sick, for families to be broken up, and for our healthcare workers to be overwhelmed. that's with no plan to do testing, that's what leaving it to the states to do testing means. we can't handle it, and that is the truth. now, let's take a break. when i come back, let's reflect on what's getting us through this. okay. we say we care about those healthcare workers. do we care enough about them to have a plan? let's remind ourselves of what they matter and what we have to matter to each other. next. ♪ ♪

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celebrating our first responders on the front lines in the hospitals. look and listen to this. sirens are usually scary, but not here. more than two dozen new york city police units rolled by a brooklyn hospital to thank their partners in this fight. and they are partners. emts are dropping all over the place. 17%. 17% of the nypd are out because of covid. who knows how many-mile-an-ho m will be. look at this rainbow. got to remember the rainbows. got to remember as -- who left us way too soon, reminded you got to learn to play after every storm. we're going through a storm right now. i know it. i know this is tough. i know it's so hard for so many.

that's my urgency and making sure that we don't reopen the wrong way. i don't want to create more pain. we've had enough. but we're getting through it, with our greatest medicine, our greatest power, our greatest strength. our compassion from one another. if we keep that, it will guide us to where we need to go. if we think about how to keep each other safe, we will not create any big bang just for effect. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with d lemon starts right now. >> how are you? >> i am feverish. but my breathing is much better. >> yeah. so i -- by the way, producers, if you can hear me, i am hearing myself in my ear. there you go. thank you, fixed it. so i left you alone a little bit. the most i communicated with you was today. and i know that you have been having some issues. you told me about, today, that you have been dealing with the fever. it's affecting you mentally, i know, because it's tough.