they were powerful as they could be. the federal government has tremendous capacity that we need now. yes, he's right on all of that. he's right we asked for cooperation and assistance and he's right that he delivered and i said this all along. this mutanier can't exist. >> there is no action item to talk about. >> it would be pleasure to speak with him but we don't have anything that's -- do we have anything pending? i did speak to the white house this morning about a hospital matter.

but other than that we don't have anything immediate. >> no, we have not had that conversation. look. this is a shift in federal position which is also fine by the way. we are entering a new phase before reopening a phase. on the first phase which was the close-down phase. the president did not close down the economy. he did do the travel ban with china and he was right on the travel ban with china. the close down of the economy was closed down to the governors. i closed down new york and

governor pritzker closed down illinois and did it different times and ways. he left that responsibility closing down of the economy to the governors. you get to the reopening of the economy, well, the governors closed it down, would the governor re-open it? i have a different model that i am envisioning. it is okay, too. it is a shift but it is okay. what is that model? let's talk about who does what which is the intelligent conversation we have to have. how do we do that test? i can't do it. how do we do this technology. i understand he's right to raise a constitutional question and he really want that cell phone and to be a tracking device. okay. let's talk through how we do that. how do we disinfect a public

transit system? that has to be understood. how do we have have masks for every new yorker, how do we do that? how do we get 10 or 20 million masks so we have that added protection. how do we make sure god forbid there is a second way where there is an uptake that we have the medical equipment that we need that we went to this horrendous exercise. where is the funding for states to do this? i am broke. we have a $10 billion deficit. the states should do this or this. i don't have two nickels to rub together. the past legislation did not give us anything. the only thing it gave the state is medicaid money, didn't give

anything to do any of this. that intelligent conversation we can have. >> will he have this conversation with you? >> i always have an open line of communication with him. i have talked to him in the past where he has not been happy with me but i have not thrown bouquets to him and we have always communicated. i want to make my position clear, i am not going to fight with him. i don't want -- there is no time for any division with between the federal government and the state government. and the governors who i work with, democrats, republican governor in massachusetts, political conspiracy and

governor baker is a republican, this is not about democrat or republican. this is about new york, 10,000 lives loss. these were not 10,000 democrats or republicans. these were 10,000 people, period. forget the darn politics. everyone is tired with it. >> nursing home death data by counties yesterday. some of them had one case. what we are worrying about is ppe with the department of health. there is about 600 nursing home in the state. this goes for hospitals as well. very small hospitals where they report one or two deaths a day. i want to go through the data and make sure we are not losing

any information. that'll be made available for people. that's why we put the aggregate numbers out by counties. >> are there any nursing homes in particular that the constipate is seei state seeing a huge problem? >> we look at total beds being used and deaths and all of that and certain down states part of the region, new york city and the out of bureaus and that's our county, we have seen increase cases. that'll be hospitalizations or nursing homes as well. that's now part of the county deal that you do see. >> there is been 60,000 cases a month. is that 60,000 a month but mayor

de plablasio says they'll do 60,000. >> the sign on the dotted line -- what's happening with the testing companies is the same thing that happens with ppe and ventilators. there are just a handful of companies that produced the private tests. they're all private tests by the way. a handful of company that do it and now every state is going to those companies to buy the tests. i have spoken to the head of several companies myself, and they have limited production and now they have to allocate it to 50 states. we are again in a bidding war competition with other states. i would say federal government

mew ta mutate that piece. don't replicate the 50-state pandamonium. let fema do the testing. fema should have done all the purchasing of the medical equipment and they should have allocated it. why am i competing for private capacities and testing machines are illinois and california. i want to get out of the ebay competition business for vital medical equipment and now vital testing. i would say the president, you take it. god bless you. you have different bids and different promises from companies to different governments all across the country. like i thought 17,000 ventilators and i didn't ge get -- we only got about 32,500. s the same thing is going to happen with the testing. >> the city can get 50,000.

>> well, they're told that from a company. do i believe we are going to see those numbers actually produced? no. because i think the same thing is going to happen that we just went through for the past month. whether those companies are going to get over subscribed and they're going to bid up the price and it is going to go to the highest bidder. we learned this lesson. i saw this movie. i lived it for the past month. it costs taxpayers tremendous amounts of money. private companies got very rich. you want to talk about going to a new phase with a different model, let's inform it from the past model. tell fema you buy all the tests for the country and allocate them by needs. this is where the cases are. new york, you're x percent cases

and new jersey you're y percent of the cases. let's give each level of government functions they perform best. one of the really painful lessons was all this crazy competing by states and cities for medical equipment. we'll do it again? it makes no sense. >> we are looking at tests over 95% accuracy and we are looking to scale it both and the private sector and labs. we are looking at those as well as hospitals. >> if someone goes back to work

and they don't have antibodies. >> we are looking at that. our state's lab, the tests we develop is six standard deviations out which means you are way out there over the 99% accuracy if not higher. >> but you are right. there are different private sector tests with different accuracy rates. that's the other complications. go buy tests of whose tests or what lefvel of accuracy. that's something we have to figure out one way or another. i would say that's something the federal government should take. >> what's the capacity at this point? >> the state will be by next week of 2,000 tests we'll be

able to do per week -- sorry, 2,000 tests a day. >> that's a long way to go for 19 million people. >> that part, where e are recko private companies to get more tests. there are different ways you can do these tests, you can do at a blood test or finger stick test as well and where you can do a blood spot and there is technology on that as well. >> you can have a whole symposiums on testing. there are two types of tests, the diagnostic and blood test. let's say 14,000 a week. what can the antibody population really be in the scope of

things. antibody population, people who have the illness and recoverered. that's important to know and we are aggressive on antibody testing. how many people are going to test positive. what percent of the population do you think had the coronavirus. what could the number be? >> 10% or 20%. >> okay, you want to find that 10% or 20% but it is not enough to restart and get back to normalcy. that diagnostic test is going to be key. now think of the volume on that diagnostic test. we are 19 million people. how many diagnostic tests do you want to buy for 19 million people and multiple that by the nation. look at the need. i am telling you, you literally have a handful of private sector companies that do this now.

how do you scale it up? how do you get a rocket ship of 220,000 miles back from the moon, 50 fremoon 50 years ago. if you can figure that out, you can figure this out. if the federal government want to know a valuable role, this is going to be a key element to all of this. >> testing everybody for coronavirus in the entire state as a prerequisite. >> no, you would never get there. if you said that of the prerequisite. you would be closed. you want testing capacity as a tool where business can use it as a tool. you want temperature taken, right? you open up a business, they're going to say they want to take everybody's temperatures, they walk in the door. how do you take the temperature of 500 people walking into a business. think of all the things you have to do and divide it between the federal government and state

government. we have to clean all the bus es and trains. we want to clean all park benches. we have a disinfect solution where we had a cleaning protocol where we never had before. we want technology to do the tracing once we find the person is positive and we can retrace them them through the technology. how do we balance that with individual liberties. a lot to do here. let the states can't do this on their own. i am not shy about capacity. i am proud of what we do in the state government. when i tell you i can't do something. it is the first time you heard me say that since i have been governor. but, i am telling you we can't do this. >> joseph? >> earlier covid at nursing

homes, it was a complete lockdown. why are we seeing hundreds of people dying from nursing home from covid. was there lacks -- >> because you can't stop it. we have no visitors going into a nursing home. you want to talk about harsh policies. no visitors. it must be closed for a month. you are in a nursing home and you can't get visitors. the staff has to be checked when they come in. taking somebody's temperature, that's not a full proof ne mechanism. any one of those staff members could be walking in with a spark in their pocket to torture the metaph metaphor. that population is so vulnerable, it takes one staff

member who did not have a temperature but did have the virus to walk in and now you are going to have a serious problem. >> the point that the governor just raise is the crux of all this and there are individuals of multi organ systems and many other problems just not as good as robust, they get sick with this or the flu and they end up in the hospital. many of the patients you mentioned got sick gotten a lot of those they will transfer to the hospital of 95 years of age and multiple medical problems is a tough battle for them. >> what you have learned is you have learned your strength and weakness, right? you learn that you can control the virus. that's a powerful lesson. we were not sure that we could. you also learn your weakness. you can't seal society. you can't seal a nursing home.

you can't put it in a bubble and say i can protect these vulnerable people. you can't. isolation. no visitors. every staff member has to be checked. >> you have been listening to the governor of new york, andrew c cuomo. some on politics and much of it is on coronavirus. the governor says he has no interest in fighting with the president. governor cuomo says he has no interest in fighting with the president but he profoundly disagree with him quoting from back from the beginning of the republic. citing the tenth amendment of

the constitution, there are laws and feedbacks even in this time. i need the president's help and i don't want a fight but i disagree. the governor presenting of what he believes to be good news, hospitalizations are down and intubating is down in new york. they're still in a painful plateau. yesterday of 778 more new yorkers died after a day-to-day increase. let's discuss what we learn about the fight against the coronavirus. joining me now is the professor of health metric sciences. professor, thank you so much for being with us. when we listen to governor cuomo and you talk about hospitalization tracking down

s intubations, what does it tell you where we are? >> the state that did the social distancing measure, you see exactly what the governor just described. it is coming down. it is going down below our threshold. you have a different -- it plateaus sometimes around the end of april and towards the end of may and go down below what we feel comfortable of the first week of skbrjune. that's the challenge we are facing right now. the state of new york can start looking at companies and business early mayor m or mid m. how can they control people when the pandemic is still going on. >> it is a key point.

the governor is anxious to reopen, too. he does not have the testings and does not know how businesses taking temperatures especially if you are a large institution whether it is a factory or giant office building. we could e e erase all the progress made if we do it wrong. do you agree? >> that's very true. we are all susceptible. we have to be careful of how we face the company and how we can start slowly bringing people back to work. testing is what we need. testing, testing and testing. >>. >> i am reluctant to use those words when you have 750 or 780 people dying from day-to-day. i want to look at the model you put. one is the projected hospital resource use. the model projections, your institute now saying we can get

to a point by late june or later july. hospitalization is down almost to zero. the total death projected in the model right now by august. 68,841. we are shy of 24,000 right now. when you look at the 68,841. that's up a little bit from the projection a few days ago. what factors into that of the fortin crea increase. what's critical and keeping it down? >> very good question. >> what we are doing right now, the state have not implemented the social distancing will implement them in one week. that's how our model is working. i assume they would stay in place until the end of may. what we are seeing, another model and the state have not implemented the social distancing and of an increase of deaths and keep on increasing. you see the state that has implemented them have come down.

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on the president's schedule today, a meeting with coronavirus patient. the president is in a battle with governors across america. you heard governor cuomo saying the president is spoiling over fight over powers who controls reopening the economy. joining me to discuss, peggy haberman. andrew cuomo says he does not

want to fight with the president but listing a number of disagreements with the president, saying simply sorry mr. president, you have your facts wrong here. he clearly wants to lay out the disagreements. >> that's interesting. i had a slightly different take of that having observed cuomo many years. he had difficulty modulating and has a temper and a dark side. the difference is andrew cuomo can control it when he wants to and he has decided it is a much better calculation to look as if he's trying to make peace with the president. he was saying all this criticism and making his king comparison and does not have his power but i don't want to have a fight. it is a recognition that he does need the federal government to some extent. he's trying to walk that line very carefully. we'll see how the president takes it this afternoon. >> it is an interesting point. the governor is trying to find a

sweet spot. the president does not look at a sweet spot. he trusts his instincts and reflexes. the president tweeting and telling the democratic governor mutiny on the bounty especially when the mutiny needs it. governor cuomo says why don't we get fema involve in testing. the president is trying to say i got a good club here. >> that's exactly right. i have given all these things to various states, when i want them to open up, they have to follow my orders. this is a president says yesterday troll controversy is bad thing. he's talking about video and

films as mutiny. he sees this pandemic as an opportunity to shine his spotlight and doing these briefings on a daily basis. yesterday he clocked in at two hours and 20 minutes. he talked about his ratings. he does see it as an opportunity to make the fight between himself and the governor and personalize the pandemic and making it about him and his power and the fights and the battles he has with individual governors and different states and not looking at the broader picture. we had tens of thousands of people are dying and there are all kinds of challenges with various states with this health crisis and millions of people lost their job. the president rather have this be a personal issue where he's talking about his power and not the struggles that the american people are facing. >> maggie, you were tweeting that we have been through this

many times. the president has a new chief of staff he brought in. he's shaping up the communications team. at least some days have some moment in their briefings room and yet he'll be himself. we have learned many times. >> i disagree with the approach. i don't think the president seize the opportunity as the president has one speed. the speed is don't take blame and take credits all he can. he's right now meeting with people who recovered from covid in a meeting candidly that's a little strange making people traveling to the white house and having just recovered from an illness. he's turning that into some joke about himself and joe biden as

well. the president has a temper and he has one style of doing things the it is clear whatever the circumstances are, it is knot going not going to change. that tweet is a classic example of him doing, he knows a lot of people are trying to figure out he meant to tweet something about himself and describing him a mutiny on a bounty. people are dying and millions don't have jobs. it is a huge, huge problem in the country. >> it is a huge problem in the country. >> you know this from day one. pay no attention to his tweets and no attention to what he says. people around the world look to the president for leadership. the former president barack obama has now endorsed joe biden. it is official. >> the kind of leadership that's guided by knowledge and

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a closer look at how some states are dealing with the question of reopening even as they are trying to fight with coronavirus. arkansas, 1400 cases and 30 deaths so far. they'll help determine what restrictions can be lifted and at what point during this pandemic. >> joining me now is dr. nate smith, the arkansas' health secretary. you are in a smaller state and your peak, we can put it up in the screen, it is not expected to peak in terms of death, 18 days away on may 2nd. 20,000 people tested in new york state so far. how do you weigh this as your panel gets about its work. you are still fighting the virus but you do have to have a conversation of reopening. take me through the balance. >> we realize we are still seeing increase number of cases although our curve has flatten.

it is not too early to start planning and considering how we are going to back away from these restrictions. we are doing this in consultations with other states. rural state has a slower rise and it is likely that we'll have a slower downside as well. our rural states are laboratories for this. it is not too early for us to start thinking of what we are going to do. the last time we spoke you were dealing with a cluster in aurora county attributed to rural gathering. how is the state doing? >> i think we are doing well overall if you look at our growth rate and total number of cases per population and deaths per population. we are doing fairly well compares to other states. there are high risk settings that we are keeping our eyes

closely. nursing home is another long-term care facility and emerging in our state and prison and where covid-19 can spread rapidly. they can account for significant proportion of our cases. your state is critical to america's food supply. you are the home of tyson's food of the largest producer in the world. we have seen a case in colorado and if you look at arkansas, your largest agriculture product is poultry. it is a giant economic engines. what precautions are being taken especially you see what's happening in south dakota and colorado. what's happening to try to make sure you don't have a similar cluster? we have been working closely with our agriculture industry. we provided guidance for them

and how they get their work site safer. they have a high incentive to keep their workers safe. allowing adequate space and giving people time off if they develop symptoms. these are all things they are implementing. they already implemented before th we give the guidance. >> dr. smith, appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> best of luck. >> up next for us, disturbing images from inside a detroit hospital. they show us the bodies of coronavirus victims being stored in a vacant room. shouldn't you pay less when you use less data? now you can.

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detroit is one of the cities in the united states hardest hit by the coronavirus. the city is reporting, more than 6800 cases, 391 deaths so far. the numbers overwhelmed local hospitals. one facility may be running out of space to hold the bodies from people who have died from covid-19. you can see bodies stored at empty hospital rooms and placed on top of each other. ryan young is joining me now with this exclusive reporting. explain to us of what led to the so sad pictures that we just saw. >> reporter: you know how tough it has been covering this story. each one of us have been touched by across the country of someone who lost someone by covid-19. one of the by products of this which is so sad is more than

just the numbers here. people are losing their lives. as we are talking to people at the hospital. we are talking about these stories of being overwhelmed and over worked. they started telling us what's going on with the dead and we did not believe it. that's when they started sending us these pictures. that room is a sleep/study room and you can see the bodies in that room and the freezer situation. not enough freezers were order for the onslaught of people coming in. h they had to stack bodies on top of each other. nurses were telling us and doctors were telling us and staffs were telling us they were upset of what they were seeing. we could not believe how many people were sharing with us. that led to the discussion of what would be next. that's why we started sharing this to show people the devastating effect not only of covid-19 but it is taking a bite out of people's souls in terms

of what's going on in the hospital. i can tell you the hospital todl us they're doing the best they can. you can see how this is really sort of attached to their hearts and the pain they are feeling. >> that's a lot of pain of a lot of workers. ryan young, i appreciate it. fantastic reporting. up next the former president barack obama jumps in, finally endorsing joe biden. g people that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ dropping to near record lows, my team at newday usa is helping more veterans refinance than ever. the newday va streamline refi is the reason why.

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barack obama officially off the 2020 sideline. the former president endorsing joe biden. >> i am so proud to endorse joe biden for president of the united states. choosing joe to be my vice president was one of the best decisions i ever made and i became a close friend. i believe joe has all the qualities we need as a president right now. he never once forgotten the values or the moral fiber that his parents passed onto him and made him who he is.

that's what steals his faith in god and america and all of us. >> david axelrod, senior advisor of the obama white house, he knows joe biden well and the former president quite well, too. why today making it official? >> he waits for bernie sanders to do what he did yesterday. he made a commitment to all candidates saying he's not going to put the finger on the scale until the race was decided. he wanted to be a unifying figure for the democratic body. he didn't feel he could do that if he intervened too soon. now that the outcome is determined, he's clearly going to plunge into this and i will say john, listening to that tape, i was witnessed to the

relationship between obama and biden. it really grow. they were not that close when he chose biden to be his vice president and overtime they became very, not just close in partners and governing but close friends. there is no jerk of enthusiasm for obama's part for his old vice president. >> we talked on sunday about this strange campaign we are in and strange is an under statement. you would expect sanders and biden would have a rally together. biden and obama to have rallies together. that can't happen. how can barack obama, what special skills does he bring. fund raising is one of them. what other skills he brings when joe biden is trying to generate excitement and enthusiasm. >> he's got a digital footprint and that's a enormous values in terms of fund raising and

organizing. obama knows how to use these tools very well and he sells well on them. i expect you will see him pl playing a surrogate role online that'll be valuable in terms of building a fund raising base for biden and ordering the constituents for the democratic party. >> i assume he'll be an mated by the idea that this presidents to undo everything that has the obama name on it. >> obama has been looking forward to making the case and not just an affirmative case but a case for why steps had been taken since in his view has been destructive. i am sure you will hear that. the most important role that he can play is as a very, very credible testimonial to joe biden. the work that he did in the

white house which was extensive running the recovery ak aandole some of the tough siassignmentse took on. that's where you will see him in the near term. thanks for joining us today. anderson cooper picks up our coverage after a quick break. have a great afternoon. stay safe. his. and you feel like this. aveeno® daily moisturizer get skin healthy™

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i am anderson cooper, you are watching cnn. president trump is set to meet survivors with coronavirus. the debate is escalating who americans should listen to when the nation should reopen and when should it happen. today dr. fauci told the associated press that may 1st is quote "a bit a little