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at the peak of the pandemic. deaths were up yesterday compared to the day before. but hospitalizations are down slightly and the governor is saying this. we changed the curve. though it is not over yet. researchers say the u.s. might have to endure social distancing measures until 2022 unless a vaccine becomes available soon. dr. fauci today saying we're not there yet on a plan to reopen the country and governor cuomo is warning he may not even abide by such an order by president trump. now in the last month, nearly 11,000 people have died in new york state. that is 778 just in the past 24 hours. shimon prokupecz is joining me now from new york city. and shimon, governor cuomo made it clear, he's not going to reopen new york on his timetable in conjunction with other governors in the region or that is what he is going to open new york on, not on the president's orders. tell us about this. >> reporter: that is right. there is all of the talk about the president, he's saying
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obviously that he wants to reopen the country. the governor consistently saying he's going to do it in conjunction with the other governors, with the other people across this state, with people across -- outside of the new york city and people in new jersey. the reason is he feels the state is just not ready to reopen. there are a lot of things that need to happen before that would take place. there is still a lost help we need from the federal government. there are things that need to be done before we reopen the state. the other thing the governor is saying today, he's into the troying to get into a fight with the president, it is best to walk away. the president could be trying to pick a fight with him. he's choosing to walk away and here is what else the governor said. >> the president is clearly spoiling for a fight on this issue. the worst thing we can do in all of this is start with political
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division and start with partisanship. the best thing that we have done throughout this past 44 days is we've worked together. he has no fight here. i won't let it happen. >> reporter: and it is kind of, brianna, it is implement of how the governor is working this relationship with the president throughout this entire pandemic. at times complimenting and saying nice things about the president and we're seeing that again today. he's saying, look, the president wants the fight, i'm not doing that. he wants to get the state ready in a place to reopen but it has to be done at the right time when everything is in place, brianna. >> one of the kplarnt complaints that we heard early on is he and other states were competing against each other when it came to the equipment that he needed and he said that is still the case, the states are competing
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against each other for tests and for ppe, that personal protective equipment. >> reporter: right. so these are the comments that are needed for the test. that is for the coronavirus test. he's saying that they're seeing exactly what went on with the ppe, with the other items, with the ventilators and when they needed these items he described it as being e-bay in that states are all bidding against each other to try and get this equipment, the bottom line is the governor understands we need to up the amount of testing and in order to do that, you need the equipment. and a lot of the equipment is coming from privately owned companies. those are the people that have these components and now what you're seeing, the governor said, it tates bidding and fighting over this material. again the governor saying that the federal government needs to take the lead on this, brianna. >> so they could coordinate that. shimon, thank you so much. live from new york. taunting tweets from president trump today aimed at the governors who are pushing
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back on his claims of total authority. and this isn't just democrats who are challenging the president 's insistence that local governments can't do anything without his approval. even republican governors and republican congressional leaders are acknowledging the truth here, that power does not belong to the president. let's go to kaitlan collins. she is live at the white house. kaitlan, what exactly is the president saying now to these governors? >> well, he's doubling down. he's continuing to stoke the feud that we're seeing play out and as shimon laid out, this is not a fight he wanted to have with the president and the president insisting he does have the authority. he did not say who told him that he does because constitutional scholars are saying that is not the case. and today the president singled out democratic governors who said are pushing back on the claim that he made telling him that one of his favorite movies is mutiny on the bounty and the president said tell them it is one of my favorite movies.
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a good old-fashioned mutiny is an exciting and invigorating thing to watch especially when they need something from the captain. to easy. you have to put that in context. that is what we're tweeting about in the midful of the paebd. and the governors are seeking guidance on what the president plans to move forward and instead pushing back and insisting he has this authority and he does not and even constitutional scholars and rand paul and liz cheney both tweeted, no, the federal government does not have absolute authority here making clear positions on that. and the president is continue sh -- continuing to push it. we'll see if he continues to do so at the press conference in a few hours. the president is focusing on the economy and preparing to announce that second task force that we told you about last week. though, brianna, even though it is supposed to be announced today, it is unclear exactly who is going to be on it. we know there was a consideration for a mix of
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administration officials and private sector folks but it is still unclear who has formally signed on with this task force. to give you a sense of that, yesterday the president said ivanka trump his daughter and senior adviser and jared kushner were not going to be on it. though we were told last week that ivanka was going to be on it. so it is still very fluid and we're waiting to see who is on it and exactly what their view of what it is going to do is. >> we'll wait for the details. kaitlan, thank you so much for that. joining me now is elizabeth cohen. and we've heard the president still touting hydroxychloroquine, this anti-malaria drug and possibly a treatment for covid-19. this is something he said today when meeting with virus survivors and this comes we should know as south dakota republican governor said that her state is going to conduct its own clinical trial on the
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drug. what are your concerns here? >> the concerns here is that the president is not waiting for the science to tell us whether this drug works and whether it is safe. we've already seen in brazil and in sweden that they are putting out serious warn -- warnings that this drug could cause heart problems. the last thing you want to do when you're trying out a new drug on a patient is to cause problems. physicians cannot understand why in the world he is pushing a drug that could have cardiac side effects. is it possible that the studies like the one in south dakota and more than a dozen more scattered around the country, is it possible that these studies are going to tell us, yep, hydroxychloroquine is the answer. sure, that is possible. is it also possible that it might say it doesn't help the patients and it is hurting them. for some reason that -- i personally failed to -- i can't understand the president doesn't want to wait por the studies to finish.
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so in effect he's touting a drug that could give americans heart problems. why would he want to do that? >> especially someone who has heart disease himself. you would wonder why he does that. i wand to talk about the antibody tests, elizabeth. because you have experts who are saying look the antibody tests could determine who was exposed to the virus, whether they may have anti-bodies against it or something that could be used against other folks to help against the symptoms here. now this could also mean that a person may have some immune you the but we should note and explain that all of these tests are not created equal. >> that is exactly right. brianna. so this test tells you, look, you were infected and you have antibodies which may mean you're immune. that is super helpful on a personal level. on a population we would know this city has a lot of immune people or this city doesn't have a lot of people who are immune. the problem is the fda lowered the standards last month and basically pretty much anyone can
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sell an antibody test. they don't even have to show that it works. all they have to do is say, hey, fda, i want to sell this test and i validated here in my city where i am. that is all they have to do. they don't have to show the data. so the people who know about this say they are a lot of ---y tests and the last thing you want to do is tell somebody they have a antibody could make them get covid. so concern about the quality of the tests. >> especially when you're using a technical term like crappy so explain why there is problems with the test. and then the fda authorized a saliva test for emergency use in diagnosing the virus. how big of a deal is this? >> you know, it really quite a big deal and here is why. in a way it doesn't matter whether they're testing saliva
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or testing the back of your throat, it's definitely easier to test saliva in that it is much more comfortable you don't have a swab through your nose and that is a good thing. what is good about this saliva test is that health care workers don't have to put on protective gear for it. they hand you the test, you're able to sample your own saliva and you give them back the test so when you are swabbing someone's nose people often cough and can spew something potentially infectious at you so the nurse has to wear protective gear. we want to conserve protective gear as much as possible so this new test is great. >> elizabeth, thank you for breaking that down for us. and coming, the governor of florida declaring essential business, wwe as essential business as mayors take action to slow the spread of coronavirus. i'll be talking to one of the mayors, the mayor of a major city in florida next. plus the new proposals under consideration as many schools
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you've been coordinated with mayors an local officials in florida, is there any coordination from the governor or the governor's office. >> well from the governor's office, i have been in close contact with the emergency manager jared moskowitz and he's providing supplies to the area, to the degree that he can. i mean, everybody is in the same position. i've said in the past we have an emergency, most on in our state, a hurricane, and everyone else comes to your rescue. well everyone is in the same predicament so there is no calvary coming in to save the day so the mayors are taking upon themselves. >> and you've been in law enforcement, and you were in law enforcement for more than three decades so you have some experience when it comes to coordination between the local level and the state. i wonder as a mayor now, are you concerned that the governor could actually reopen the state too soon? have you gotten any indications that that is a possible? >> i have heard bits and pieces.
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you know, we're just moving so fast here on the local level trying to deal with the myriad of issues and i have heard some comments about that. about kids going back to school and opening up the state. but i can't imagine that a decision like that would be made. i mean, i can't imagine that there is anybody that would agree with that, that is even taken a glance at the scientific information and all of the historical information that we have now, what other countries have gone through. i just don't see that happening. >> and right now you're actually looking at the latest projection and i know this is something that is changing every few days, the latest projection is that the peak for florida could be three weeks away. there is one model at this point that is saying may 3rd. according to the "miami herald" florida is significantly underreporting the testing backlog there in the state. is that a big concern for you? and just tell us what your
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biggest concerns are right now. >> yes. we've lost the battle in testing. i think nationwide. i know certainly here in the state of florida and in our region as well. first of all, the parameters for the testing, they had the traveling until a week ago, you still had the travel question on there and then you basically as i tell everybody, you had the bubble half colored in by the time you gave someone a test. so we certainly haven't done testing on the level that we need to. and what we're looking to focus at here in our area is testing on the antibodies to try to find out those individuals that had the virus were asymptomatic and now may have a level of immunity and so that is what we're trying to focus at. of course, our county eoc that we run everything through, they ordered 45,000 antibody tests they were supposed to get last
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week and we haven't seen those. so there is just no telling when that's will arrive and we could start doing that testing. >> so you need antibody testing, that is really what you're looking at as you look forward here. you're not the only mayor and not the only state that is dealing with this situation with the disconnect between the governors and some states we've seen them show up and some states we have not. so there is a lot of mayors who are in your position. i wonder what else do you need from the governor at this point in time? >> well, you know, we have -- we have moved beyond the point -- we put the safer at home order in place and we have taken the steps that we can to get the additional testing set up, drive-through testing sites and do all of the things that we needed to do to protect our community. and then we have a very close-knit group of mayors of the seven largest cities in the
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state of florida, tampa is the third largest, so we're talking to each other on a regular basis as well. getting what we can for our community. so really it boils down to it right now, what everybody needs and those are the supplies, masks for everyone. we're looking to put an order in place this thursday for everyone to wear face covering when they're out in public setting close proximity to others. but, you know, a lot of that boils down to people using a t-shirt, something they could put over their face. we certainly don't have enough masks for the first responders or those essential employees out there on the front lines providing water, picking up trash, doing those type of essential services to keep our city running. >> mayor jane castor, thank you so much. it is so important to take a look at what is happening there at the local level. we appreciate you joining us. >> yes. thank you. we appreciate you and informing
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when you break down coronavirus cases in new york city alone, latinos are dying at a faster rate than any other demographic and alarming numbers for this community are strepping nationwide. let's look at this with nick valencia who explains why. >> reporter: anthony said he honestly can't remember the last time he got sick. but two weeks ago, he tweeted that he felt an itch in his throat. more severe symptoms followed. >> yeah, so i got the results that i was positive with the covid-19. body aches. a whole lot of body aches and recently i've developed a lot of night sweats. >> his condition hasn't improved. he thought he was turning the corner. only to be diagnosed with pneumonia. the 35-year-old works in hospice care making home visits to
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terminally ill patients, he knew he was at higher risk to contract the virus and was taking precautions but in his line of work that doesn't always guarantee your safety. >> latinos are the cnas and the janitors. when you go into the facilities, that is where you see it us as the janitor cleaning everybody's room and as the one changing the diapers, giving them showers, feeding them face-to-face. >> reporter: this -- who served in vancouver, washington said latinos are often found in these essential but lower level hospital jobs. she said such employees may not have health insurance or the option to stay home if they get sick. >> this leads not only to worsening health for those people but also spreading of the pandemic and prolonging the illness and the effects this is going to have. >> reporter: according to the pugh research center, concern is more pronounced among latinos
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that the wider american public. two-thirds say it is a major threat to the health of americans compared to half of the general public. >> there are clear inequalities and clear disparities in how this disease is affecting the people of our city. >> reporter: in the epicenter of the outbreak, new york city, the mayor said latinos are dying at rates higher than any other group making up 34% of deaths. other locations have been slow to release a draekdown of deaths by race or ethnicity so no national trends with clear yet. meantime, dr. o'neill and other medical professionols say underlying health conditions and economic disparities which affect communities of color play a role. >> you'll see us living in multi-generational households with grandparents and newborns and creating a situation it is hard to contain the spread of disease. >> do it for your big momma and your pop pop. >> reporter: this week the
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surgeon general addressed how communities of color are getting hit hard by the virus and urged blacks and latinos to protect themselves but he was criticized for the language he used while doing it. dr. jerome adams said he was only using words he would with his own family. latinos used to getting together many times a week with family and friends are now finding themselves having to change the normal routine. like these coffee happy hours at this place in south florida. he sees risk for himself and others it means not pushing to go back to work before he's ready. >> to me that is the worst fear, is to hurt people and put other people in danger just to know that i have it so i could stay home and try to take care of this properly without infecting other people. >> nationally it is hard to tell whether or not the coronavirus or covid-19 is more dangerous for latinos. the data just isn't there. but where it is, it is alarming. showing death rates at an extremely high rate compared to
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other groups for latinos. and brianna, anecdotally, we've heard from people saying that language is creating barriers and challenges, also legal status for those undocumented latinos in this country who may be afraid of going to the doctor if they're starting to feel sick. many advocates do say this really underlines how underserved this community is. >> nick valencia, it is such an important story. thank you for bringing it to us. across the country, dozens of veterans have died from coronavirus. in a soldier's home in massachusetts, a federal investigation is underway. and farmers are being required to destroy crops. let's start with barbara starr at the pentagon and a u.s. service member in intensive care due to coronavirus. >> reporter: i'm barbara starr at the pentagon. one of the four hospitalized from the carrier theodore roosevelt is in intensive care in guam.
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we're told the sailor is not on a ventilator but in intensive care. there are now nearly 600 members of the crew who are tested positive for the coronavirus. the navy faces weeks of trying to get everyone healthy and get the ship back out to sea. >> i'm in homestead, florida, where farmers are having to destroy the crop. this farm is owned by sam and his family has been working this land since 1948 but said that the covid-19 nightmare started a few weeks ago when restaurants and schools started closing and the supply chain got completely severed since then he's had to destroy about 70% of the acreage. he said it has been a nightmare. no, he doesn't have insurance. yes, some of this is going to food banks but there is too much excess. >> i'm athena jones in new york. 33 residents at a state-run home for veterans in massachusetts have died. all of them tested positive for the coronavirus cording to state health officials.
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88 veteran residents and 78 employees at holyoke soldiers home have tested positive for the virus with tests still pending for 11 residents. a federal investigation has been opened into the home which staff and union members say has been dogged by systemic issues for years that could have contributed to the outs break there. >> now moments ago governor gavin newsom of california announced a new framework for the state to reopen. the changes for schools and businesses next. every financial plan needs a cfp® professional -- confident financial plans, calming financial plans, complete financial plans. they're all possible with a cfp® professional. find yours at letsmakeaplan.org.
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california's governor gavin newsom just announced a road map to bring life somewhat back to normal. he's saying that california is not out of the roads yet and california won't spike the ball with its response. let's bring in dan simon to talk about this. dan, walk us through this. did the governor give any timeline for reopening? >> reporter: well not yet, brianna. although i should point out he's still in the middle of giving his remarks. but we've not seen him come up with some kind of time frame. what he is doing is laying out a set of principles for what it would take to reopen the economy and i want to go over some of them. we should note that california is in a position to do this because it went early. it was the first state in the country to really shut down and according to governor newsom and other experts it is allowed california to bend the curve. but some of the things that he said it will take for california to reopen, number one, and you
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hear this from everybody across the country, testing, testing, testing. you have to be able to do contact tracing and you have to isolate and you have to be able to support those who test positive. and also have plenty of antibody tests available. the second thing is to be able to prevent infection among the vulnerable population. that being the elderly and the homeless population here in california. and you also want to make sure that the hospital is set up to handle any possible surges in the future. do they have the proper equipment, do they have the right staffing, et cetera. now as you alluded, the key question here is when is this going to happen. we do know that the governor has established a pact with the states of oregon and washington, perhaps those three will come up with some sort of timetable down the road. but at this point they're not doing that. and brianna, one thing i should note, we have seen governor newsom and president trump have a very cordial relationship
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throughout all of this. the governor going out of his way to commend the administration how it treated california. now that president trump is saying that he has the sole authority in terms of when to reopen the country, it will be interesting to see whether that relationship continues the way it has been. we'll see if governor newsom addresses that today. >> we'll see if he follows other governors as well on that. thank you, dan simon, for that report. i want to talk to dr. seemaaz min. it is testing and testing and how do you fight an enemy if you can't see where it is or who is sick. tell us, doctor, what needs to happen before states could start to reopen? >> so, brianna, any conversation about peeling back these shelter-in-place orders and it has to be appealing back, it can't just be a rash decision, i want to hear all of the conversations using words like gradual and methodical. because as dan mentioned, we
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absolutely need those four things in place for us. first you have to see a dramatic reduction in cases before you could even consider lifting shelter-in-place orders and you have to have capacity and finally you need local resource that's could do this fundamental thing called contract tracing. i'm hearing so many economist and other people who don't understand epidemiology saying we don't need contact tracing that is a waste of time. that is absolutely incorrect. the only way to get a handle on disease spread is by having contract tracing. this is how we handled sars. so it needs to be gradual and methodical and we need to make sure we're guided by science and not by politics. >> so testing seems to be the foundation of all this and then what would it look like as you start to reopen businesses? we've seen reports possibilities of epidemiologist raised of
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maybe you stagger the number of people that come in or the category of people who come in. maybe even as businesses reopen in restaurants you find out ways to social distance so that people can be in restaurants or other businesses and then of course that contact tracing. is there any other part of this that is an important piece of that puzzle. >> so i get asked this question every single day. and multiple times a day about when we'll go back to normal and firstly we need to ask ourselves if normal is a set of conditions that got us into this mess, we don't want to go back to that normal so there is a new normal where we're seeing that some people who perhaps have immunity and then we have widespread antibody testing maybe those folks would go back to work and reopen the economy but even then as we peel back the shelter-in-place orders, we're still sheltering our most vulnerable while others go back to work.
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and then measures like you're saying where maybe we could start going back to restaurants at some point in the future but it won't be like it was brxt perhaps restaurants have to limit half of the number of people that could go in. we're guarding against future outbreaks and against a second wave. >> so a second wave. what is the possibility of us seeing a second wave, resurgence, and maybe even another wave beyond that. >> so we see second waves in many pandemics. it is very difficult to predict how bad they'll be and when they'll hit. one of my concerns is that as we start to see ourselves get out of this first wave, what if we start to see a second wave hit right as the flu season peaks an already in the states with a bad flu season, that could start to overwhelm health care systems. and also as i'm thinking about the future, brianna, i'm looking to see what is happening in other countries. so think about singapore for example. it was played across the board for doing well on containing the
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coronavirus but as soon as it started to lift the containment measures there was an influx of people returning home because they were told it was safe to and they saw a spike again in cases. so as we peel back sheltder in place orders, we'll have to be very mindful about a potential second way preempting it could be bad so we're prepared for it and keeping that in the forefront of our minds. >> so what do you do if that happened? if you ease restrictions in a state. do you flip back to where you were being in shut down and not having people go back to work? >> so that is where the gradual and methodical part comes into place, brianna. if you're staggering this and doing it gradually and based focused on what is happening in different geographic regions because the it looks different in different places, in that case you could keep an eye on what -- when the second wave is coming and how bad it is and keep that at the forefront of your mind so you're always
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be severely stunted in their learning because of this. now some are proposing kids be held back a grade or be part of a massive summer school program. evan, tell us what is at stake if you have more schools closing for the rest of the year. >> reporter: i've been talking to teachers and administrators and students since this whole quarantine began. the issue here is staying focused and interested in school and figuring out what school is supposed to be now, because most schools have pretty much thrown academic performance out the window. you have some places offering you to retake school if you want. if you think about moving into a situation where schools remain closed, you're talking about having to take a plan that goes from a crisis plan that was created very quickly as this
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pandemic started to begin, into a longer term plan of how to keep kids on track while they're at home and while they're having to do school from their house. >> so how do you keep -- what are some of the these ideas being discussed about keeping kids caught up, especially when you have so many of them? look, this is the situation parents are in, they're juggling work while trying to home school their kids and there's seasonally so many hours during the day. >> reporter: right. states like florida have already said, look, if you want your student to retake a grade, they can. other places have said, we'll do this on a case-by-case basis, maybe we'll put a bunch more kids into the grade they were already in. bill de blasio over the weekend when he had this sort of argument with governor cuomo about whether to keep new york city schools closed for the rest of the year, one of the things that was important about that conversation was that the mayor was talking about all the effort he needs to put into planning
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for what comes next. for example, they mentioned that in new york city, they don't see any way to start next year, like they started any other year, because kids are coming back to school stressed out. they're coming back to school after having gone through this traumatic experience. then they also have to come back to school with a new kind of remedial education that gets them on track to get back into academics the way they were before this whole thing happened, brianna. >> it's so difficult. evan, thank you so much for that report and informing us how schools are really trying to confront what is a crisis for education across the country. a virginia church is now grieving for their pastor who defiantly gathered his congregation during this pandemic, just days after the governor urged virginians to avoid nonessential gatherings, this bishop told his church, quote, god is larger than this dreaded virus. the bishop's death as other
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religious leaders try to keep the faith during these hard times. >> god is bigger than the virus. >> reporter: bishop gerald glenn in the pulpit, defying cdc guidelines against public gatherings and vowing to keep preaching "unless i'm in jail or the hospital." >> nonessential personnel? i am essential. >> reporter: that was less than a month ago. now news of his death after contracting covid-19 is rocking members of the new deliverance evangelistic church and his wife has the virus too, reportedly. >> i can't lie, the first thing i asked god was why. >> reporter: religious congregations coast-to-coast are finding ways to be spiritually close while spiritually distant. vice president mike pence, an evangelical christian, is
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encouraging such efforts. >> to my christian brothers and sisters across the country, we should remember that jesus said where two or more are gathered, there he is also. >> reporter: but some are drawing on another biblical warning against forsaking the assembling to justify defying health guidelines. and the costs are mounting, with more illnesses and more deaths tied to church gatherings. in kansas, the governor ordered no groups over ten people only to have legislators override her, forcing a court battle. she won. >> we do not have time to play political games during a pandemic. >> reporter: in california, at least 70 people from one church have contracted the virus yet a few religious leaders have launched a lawsuit against the governor's restrictions on worship even as he tries to give the faithful some space. >> so practice your faith, but
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do so in a way that allows you to keep yourself and others healthy. >> reporter: as it is, more than a dozen states have given some exemptions to religious groups. the u.s. justice department says attorney general bill barr is monitoring government regulation of religious services and likely to take action soon. what kind of action is not clear. but we do know this. white evangelicals are among the most of the ardent supporters of donald trump and when they make noise, he generally listens. >> tom, thank you so much for that report. one top expert says coronavirus deaths in the u.s. could essentially stop by july. there is the one major catch. we'll discuss it with dr. sanjay gupta, next. with va mortgage rates suddenly
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hospitalizations in new york is trending down. that's good news. the number of deaths reported each day in the united states has also gone down in recent days. last friday there were more than 2,000 reported deaths just on that day. the daily numbers have been lower since then, though of course we will have to see if that trend continues. and as we begin to see these signs of perhaps, perhaps parts of u.s. hitting the peak, there is a battle brewing about when the country writ large and also individual parts of it can responsibly begin to return to some semblance of normal without inviting a stronger surge of coronavirus patients and fatalities after those steps are taken. today dr. anthony fauci reiterating what he said to me on sunday, telling the associated press he thinks may 1st would be a bit, quote, overly optimistic for many areas of the country to begin to attempt to reopen, and that any return to business will have to be done on a rolling basis, though in fauci's words, there
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