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going to be buying 250 -- from 40 to 50 billion in farm. i want to see what's happening with china, how they're doing on it, fulfilling the deal, the transaction. we have a lot of discussions going on with china. let me just put it this way, i'm not happy, okay? i'm not happy. and i spoke to them. and this could have been shut down a long time ago, they knew it, and we couldn't get in and in all fairness world health couldn't get in, that's why i wish they took a different stance. they took a very pathetic and weak stance but they say they couldn't get in. but ultimately they got in, they got in much sooner than anybody but they didn't report what was happening. they didn't report what was happening inside of china. no i'm not happy with china. >> wanted to ask dr. fauci, could you address the questions
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or concerns that this virus was somehow man-made, possibly came out of a laboratory in china? you studied the virus, what is are the prospects of that? >> there was a study recently that we could make available to you, a group of highly qualified evolutionary viralologists looked at sequences there and sequences in bats as they evolve, the mutations it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from animal to human. so the paper will be available, i don't have the authors right now but can make that available to you. >> on the protests that we've seen, the economies to open, does that concern you though as a health expert when you see folks congregate? are you worried that's
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encouraged? >> i mean i'm looking at it from public health standpoint. certainly can understand the frustration of people. but my main role in the task force is to make recommendations to protect the health and safety of the american people. i would hope that people understand that's the reason we're doing what we're doing and hopefully we'll put an end to this. >> i will say this, i'm very, very satisfied with the decision we made, listening to experts, listening to my gut, the feeling of the vice president and really many others when we put it all together, i'm very -- look, if we didn't do what we did at the time, we could have lost more than 2 million people, i really believe that. i could show you charts of other places that gave it a shot and they're not doing well. i would show it to you right now, i don't want to embarrass anybody. they gave that a shot.
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it's an automatic, everybody would say let's do that until they sit down and start thinking, we could have lost more than 2 million people, could have been much more than that, one says from 1.6 to 2.2, could have been more than that. but i looked at one country in particular that is using the herd mentality, not working out very well. with all of that being said, we have to get back to work. we'll be crossing lines very soon in many cases, in some cases we're well on the way down. other cases we're right at top, heading down, in the right direction. i saw numbers from new jersey which was having a very tough time. he's doing a terrific job governor phil murphy. starting to get really good signs. looked at some of the new york numbers this time, they've been devastated obviously but some really good things are starting
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to happen. so if we would have done something different -- first of all would not have been sustainable. you would have had people furious at you, me, everybody up here. would not have been sustainable. because you look at some of the hospitals as example. hospital near where i grew up in queens, you had body bags all over the floor of that hospital, you know the one i'm talking about. all over the floor of the hospital. multiply that times 12 or 15, that's kind of numbers you're talking about. 12 or 15. and it would not have been -- it would not have been -- there would have been an insurrection, nobody would have understood that. whereas right now nobody can be blamed, there is no blame. we're all in a situation that was caused -- should have been solved long ago. could have been solved probably
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very easily. look it was a tough enemy, but probably very easily if certain country did what they should have been done and we're just starting to learn those facts but what we did was the right thing. what we did was the right thing. with that said, we want to get back, we'll be opening up states by very capable people and also point of sale as they say in a different business, we have to look at where the testing is taking place. we're going to help them with testing. we've developed tremendous tests last little while, going to work with the states and help them but they know every inch of land in their states. i watched the governor of arkansas, he was terrific. governor of oklahoma over the weekend, he was terrific. they've done it a little bit differently, tight, strong, prepared, more beds than they needed, good thing.
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but i've seen very, very good things and i think you can positive events taking place over a short period of time. with that, we'll see you tomorrow. really this has been, this has been a situation where a lot of great people have been involved and a lot of great decisions have been made. thank you all very much. >> you've just been watching and listening to the president and his task force on a day that the coronavirus death toll has climbed to nearly 30,000 people in the country. saw complaints kbroe grow about lack of federal help on testing and saw the president call on three blue states to quote, liberate those states. jim acosta, are the president and governors on the same page tonight? that seems urgent. >> reporter: absolutely not. vice president mike pence got an earful earlier on conference call with democratic senators,
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telling him what governors were saying, that country doesn't have the testing to put people back in offices, in restaurants, so on. president was asked about that tonight. he kind of punted. vice president and dr. anthony fauci both answered whether or not there's enough testing in this country, essentially same way, enough for states in phase one. clearly not enough to get us to phase two or phase three, a little bit more like life as we used to experience it. in phase one, schools are still closed, people are teleworking, not going into the office. that was admission from the vice president and dr. fauci the country is not where it needs to be in testing. dr. deborah birx talked about private labs getting into the process to expedite it. government is playing catch-up
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and they want to shift the burden to states. we've chronicled this for weeks. states have been competing for ventilators, ppe and masks and so on. now they have to compete for testing. we didn't get enough answers on that key question and they're still playing catch-up. >> nasal swabs and reagents and everything that goes with the testing. hate to talk about tweets that president trump randomly pops out after watching fox news, but sending tweets that michigan, minnesota and virginia need to be in his words liberated -- in virginia it was liberated and concerns about the second amendment, but the idea that watching in on fox news about protesters in michigan, he now says liberate michigan. battleground states with democratic governors.
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it's one of those things you want to take a step back and realize this is the president of the united states saying these places need to be liberated. allegedly he was leaving it up to the governors because the governors knew -- and he's such a constitutionalist that governors have the right and know what's best for their state, he's saying liberate those states. >> reporter: that's right, not enough to try to turn the briefings into his rallies. wants to have rallies again in states with democratic governors. one, these demonstrators are not practicing social distancing, run the risk of spreading the virus around. putting that aside, president was asked but danced around the question. said he was comfortable with the tweets and went on to say some of the states have been too touch in his words but the
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states are following the government's guidelines on social distancing. that explanation did not make very much sense. asked about what the protesters are doing, whether or not they're being safe, he said they sound like reasonable people to me. that's the president essentially giving protesters carte blanche to continue to do this. >> idea you can look and say that person looks very responsible, not sure how you tell that from the television, people wandering around with -- i guess they had trump flags therefore that's what he projects. jim, stay with us. we'll dig deeper into what was said and wasn't said about testing. dr. sanjay gupta and our two political analysts. sanjay, everyone we've talked to, scientists, business owners, finding out their thinking, all say the same thing, hinges on
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the ability of states to quickly get on the same page in terms of testing and get widespread testing. doesn't seem like the federal government or administration is on the same page with what state governors are saying. >> it's been quite striking. i did some of the same stuff you did, anderson, talk to people at hospitals, talk me through it, you want to test, where are the gaps. dr. fauci referred to it, we need to close the gap here. recognize that maybe the capacity for some places to test has improved, state labs, public labs, university labs, commercial labs have come on line and that's good thing. many at state level. but all the stuff that goes into saying this person needs to be tested and here's the result, all the steps from the swabs to the medium, transport the swabz,
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reagents, all of that has been dependent on the supply chain, some of the products come from other countries, traditionally handled at national level. so yes, people say capacity is fine, some places capacity is totally fine. but at the end of the day, can people still get a test safely, efficiently, and someplace in their own community? and answer in too many places is still know. talked to dr. tom freeden, used to run the cdc. i specifically asked him, look, whose obligation is this? states or federal government with regard to testing. listen to what he said. >> it is absolutely the federal government's responsibility. currently we're doing in this country less than 150,000 tests a day. earlier today we released a
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report and calculated if we were just testing highest priority people and nobody else, we would need about three times as many tests. since we're also testing lower priority people, need more than that. if we try to test extensively, 10 or 20 times that. >> quick math, 150 tests roughly a day being done right now, in order to get to point where we have discussions around reopening things, 10 to 20 times that, more than a million tests a day. >> wow. gloria, seems obvious what the president is doing, from the earliest days once he came around to the realization this was serious and they needed to take the social distancing things his scientists wanted to take earlier, he's been looking for people to blame, whether
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china or w.h.o. or the prior administration or governors -- >> democrats. >> reporters, nancy pelosi. now it's clear he seems to be setting governors up to blame in coming weeks and months if things don't go well, putting the burden on them, saying he's the one who has put out guidelines, it says everybody should do adequate testing. but not helping governors with money for their states to do testing and contact tracing, or negotiating bulk pricing and distributing all the reagents and swabs and everything they need. >> i mean, let's be honest, anderson. president is playing this -- i can't believe i'm saying this in middle of a pandemic, he's playing this politically. he's talking about states that could very well go blue, democratic governors with a lot
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of problems on their hands and he's saying like tonight about the governor of virginia, they've been too tough. what is too tough? what does that mean might i ask when the governors have following the guidelines that just 24 hours ago the president's science advisers outlined to the american public? that is what they're doing. he can either -- if he wants to say i have no responsibility again, let him say that. he seems to want to have it both ways. and that's kind of hard to swallow. if you're a governor in one of those states and you've got outbreaks you're worried about or worried about maybe your curve looks a little better but you have to wait 14 days according to the president's guidelines, what would the president have you do? it's almost impossible to understand how a president who is supposed to be a leader inned
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middle of a pandemic would instead decide it's better for him to divide the country and side with protesters whom he said by the way, i think yesterday he said i think they like me. which as we all know is key to donald trump. and use them so he could potentially play to his base and maybe make inroads in those states that could be up for grabs. quite remarkable. >> jim, the president likens himself to a cheerleader for the country. cheerleaders stand on the side while the players and coaches play and call the players. cheerleaders stand on the sidelines, and they work hard, i like "cheer" on netflix as much as anybody, but he's between a
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cheerleader and heckler. for a guy who doesn't drink, acts like a drunk in bar, yelling liberate michigan. this is the president of the united states during a pandemic targeting democratic governors so that people will go and not social distance and protest about his own guidelines, his own recommendations of social distancing in states that he is concerned about for his own election. it's so transparent as to -- it's stunning. >> and anderson, tell you what trump adviser told me earlier, this is merely a distraction. president did this earlier partly because provoked by what he saw on fox news, happened before, will happen again. but did this to distract from the dismal record he's compiled over the past weeks responding to the crisis. you can look at poll numbers, gallup shows his approval rating has dropped six points in a
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month for handling the coronavirus. big drop. american people are starting to form fixed opinions how he's handled this pandemic and it's not a good one. couple other things that struck me coming out of the press conference, he's a cheerleader not dealing with reality. saying that schools are going to be opening soon. no, they're not. maybe in a handful of states could possibly happen but in phase one of the president's own guidelines put out yesterday, schools stay closed, most will be closed remainder of the year. he was also saying that one of his indicators in terms of how he's handling the pandemic, pointed to the stock market returns today. i mean has he looked at the stock market in terms of where things were before this all started? i can see trump advisers tearing their hair out as we speak, sounds so tone deaf with
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thousands of americans lost their life for president to turn to the stock market for daily score how he's handling the pandemic. my opinion is president is putting these tweets out as a distraction, wants people talking about something else besides testing and other metrics which are not there yet. >> there's a distraction every day. >> that's the strategy. >> distraction every day. last week he was going to adjourn the congress or this week. >> what happened to that? >> now taking after the governors. >> i don't know, disappeared, vaporized. >> every day feels like a week. >> jim, gloria, thank you. president was asked tonight about the protesters, he's been encouraging, one governor's reaction. here's what he said. >> thank you. earlier today inslee said that your tweets encouraging --
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>> who said it? >> jay inslee, tweets encouraging liberation in michigan, virginia, minnesota were fomenting rebellion, wondering how that squares with the sober and methodical guidance you issued yesterday? >> i think we do have sobering guidance but some things are too tough. look at some of the states you just mentioned it's too tough. not only relative to this but virginia with the second amendment. it's horrible thing, they did a horrible thing, the governor, and he's a governor under a cloud to start with. when you see what he said about the second amendment and you see what other states have done, i feel very comfortable. >> governor jay inslee of washington joins me on the phone. called the tweets dangerous, unhinged. just heard him, wondering what your reaction is.
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>> extreme disappointment, and frankly anger because we've lost over 500 people in my state, and we know -- saying in automobile safety that speed kills. words can be fatal too. when you have a president of the united states openly, willfully maliciously trying to encourage people not to abide by the law in these states, these orders are the law of these states. president of the united states willfully trying to inspire people to disobey and violate at law with potentially fatal consequences is irresponsible, no other way to look at it. and what is doubly enraging to us, both republicans and democrats, the day before this president put out very clear guidelines based on substantial epidemiological evidence of his
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experts dr. fauci and birx that had a lot of reason to it, saying we have to wrestle this virus down significantly before we let off pressure of social distancing. his own physicians saying this, his own guidelines that we're pretty consistent with in state approaches, republicans and democrats. the next day to say you should ignore that is an outrage. >> and saying on the podium some things are too tough, some of the guidelines in michigan, minnesota, virginia. these are the same guidelines he allegedly saw the light on and was encouraging everybody to do. >> too tough. they're his, based on decent evidence. for a brief shining moment that lasted about four hours, we had a unified approach between the federal government and states. then for some -- this kind of
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cheap bombast to do dog whistles to his base, he creates this tension. we have to work together on this. and we have sometimes, i've had good discussions with mike pence, with dr. fauci and the admiral. we have to get the test kits. we have increased ability to test but we can't without the kits and swabs. we need millions of swabs and transfer material. we've been pleading with the president to show leadership on this and he just really has not been willing to do so. some in his administration are helping, some in the supply chain are beginning to help. but until we have testing capability we will not be able to successfully start up our
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economy which should be the mutual goal. would be helpful to have help from the president rather than cheap bombast we keep getting from him. >> can you come up with any valid reason that president of the united states would not be fully leaning into getting as many tests out there as possible, quick, rapid tests, so that employers could use them, people could get back to work, people could be confident and not be oh, you can get a test if you're over a certain age, if this, if that. if you feel you want and need one and want to see if you were infected in the past. is there any -- i can't think of any rational explanation other than political ones of not wanting a higher count of infected people to be on his record. and i hate to even think that, but trying to think of rational reason and can't think of one.
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>> well, you know, i should not try to figure out what goes on there in that mind. but the only thing that strikes me is just an inability to accept responsibility for this leadership position. we need somebody with the guts of franklin delano roosevelt and commitment to mobilize the manufacturing base of the united states. that does not relieve governors of responsibility as well. we've got obligation to go out and fight for material as well. we're doing that, republicans and democrats big-time. but the federal government and the president is the only organization that has the capability to order people to manufacturer this equipment. it is the only organization that can mobilize the entire defense industry of the united states and the supply chain. this is a supply chain that made 70 jeeps in 1941 and 65,000 in
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1944. we need the president to order the pentagon to do that. governors cannot do that. that's the part where we really need assistance. it's been maddening. i've talked to the president several times about this and he just has this view that he likened it as not being a supply clerk but we need a quartermaster, somebody to take pride in creating this supply chain. it's a noble pursuit. it's what got beans and bullets to the beaches in normandy. something you could be a hero on. >> if people are dying or staying away from being tested or unable to figure out their futures because of nasal swabs, let's get a supply clerk because nasal swabs is what is hobbling america right now? it's ludicrous. >> it is ludicrous. and to see it firsthand. my people literally can't wait.
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when we find a few thousand of these swabs we rush to open the box to make sure we got the right kind. that's how desperate governors are working on this. these are republicans and democrats all doing this great work, as ambitiously and effectively as they possibly can. but they do not have the ability to turn the entire manufacturing capability of the united states to this task. only the president is in position to do that. that's why we really need that leadership. and we need to be working together, rather than have what are distractions of the tweets to try to foment insurrection against the law of the states and i want to repeat, these orders are the law of these states. to have president of the united states entreat people to ignore the law, that cannot stand. >> literally says he's fighting
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president alluded to it in the briefing tonight, new modeling from the team the administration has been relying on to guide decisions in the outbreak, by university of washington metrics and evaluation. want to bring in the director dr. chris murray along with dr. sanjay gupta. can you explain the newest modeling and how it differs from previous? >> sure, we've taken advantage of cell phone mobility data to get better insight where social distancing has been working. that's led us to have lower projections for places like florida, texas, some of the states where we thought there wasn't as much social distancing. we've also had to upgrade estimates of deaths in new york because the peak is lasting longer. combination of those lead us to
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about 60,000, 61,000 deaths overall. more importantly, we've also looked at the trajectory of the models going forward and given some ideas when it might be possible to think about relaxing social distancing by state. >> what does that tell you? >> well, it says that can't be that soon. even the earliest states, hawaii, had a very small epidemic, doesn't seem to be taking off, probably first week of may could be thinking about it. and we're seeing states where they shouldn't be thinking of relaxing social distancing out into mid-june. some states with big epidemics unfolding like south dakota or oklahoma, not so big but in terms of the time course. what we're seeing, most states in mid to late may, i think key thing around testing capacity,
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ability to contact trace, you've got to wait until the load of cases in the community is at a manageable level. >> i know sanjay wants to get in questions as well. >> yeah, professor murray, big discussion has been around testing. we've discussed this topic with you a few times past few weeks. some of the states seem like they may have built up capacity for testing which i'm sure informed your models. but if they can't get basic supplies like swabs and things like that, they can't do the testing. does seem more federal issue. how does that affect your models for each state if they're dependent on materials from the federal government? >> and before you answer that, map on the screen is from your modeling, just so viewers know what they're looking at, lighter states are states that could
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possibly open up sereooner, dar green the late. is that correct? >> correct. >> sorry, didn't want to interrupt. >> no, there's two factors going into this. how quickly will we come off the peak and get cases down to low level, and how quickly can the states build up testing capacity and contact tracing capacity so that they can manage reasonable numbers? i think we heard in the briefing from the white house some people talking about trying to manage a load of 200,000 cases in the community. but we believe the risk of resurgence then would be very large. so best strategy is get number of cases down to more manageable level and beef up capacity for states. if that happens, we'll revise assessment when it seems reasonable or safe from epidemiological point of few to relax some aspects of social
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distancing. >> and you put a number on that, right, professor murray, in terms of what is manageable in a community. i think i read less than 1 estimated new infection per 1 million people, is that correct? >> we took a conservative approach, 1 per million. number of contacts you have to trace, people you have to screen to find the case and trace their contacts, even one per million is quite a load of effort on the capacities for some states. states may be able to do better. we can take that into account. compare what we're doing to singapore or korea or china, then we don't yet have that contact tracing and testing capacity to manage a big caseload. >> highlight that, we don't yet have the contact tracing to manage the caseload, again what
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tonight's coronavirus briefing featured a lot of powerpoint slides and details but same bottom line, federal backup on testing but not centralized plan to implement or take responsibility for it or
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funding for it. for more on the politics blaming. quote biden and obama were a disaster handling the swine flu. according to cdc estimates, death toll was 12,000 out of range of 8,000 to 18,000, spread out over entire year. nearly 30,000 people have died of coronavirus in this country in nearly seven weeks. the president said we're getting very close to seeing that light shine very brightly at end of the tunnel, is that what you see happening? >> anderson, i find what's going on just really baffling, the scientists are very much coalesced around we have to do more testing.
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suggested half a million tests a day need to go on in the united states. we have to have an army of people ready. less for smaller states, more for bigger states to do contact tracing. so when we find someone who is infected we can indeed lock down the virus, shut down the virus. then we have to make progress on treatments. there's some light end of the tunnel, possible news, but other two, testing we're still way behind, in fact going wrong direction. about 100,000 tests done on the 5th of april, a week later on the 12th, 75,000 tests done. we're going downhill, not up. until those factors are together, people are urged to continue to put the health guidelines in place. last thing we want is people
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having to choose between going to work or their health or their family's health. guidelines are in place to save lives and jobs in the long run. >> boils down to in some cases swabs, we're hobbled by swabs. extraordinary to me in this day and age. and then the president, so often, and i hate to focus on this, but it's so glaring, this is a pandemic, people's lives are at stake and truth matters. president seems to be a bystander on this. clearly politics is just enmeshed in all of it. ask you what i asked governor inslee, don't understand why the president wouldn't with full force of the federal government be getting as many tests to as many states as possible in as many different ways and getting reagents and having some company manufacturer enough swabs.
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it's -- do you -- does it make any sense to you? is there any rational reason the president wouldn't be behind this and pushing this? >> only thing that makes any sense to me is that if we don't test, the numbers don't change, we don't have as many infections. lots of people are asymptomatic, don't show signs of the virus, wandering around making other people sick. as long as we don't test, we don't know. i'm in kansas, numbers are low, that's good, very few in the hospital, that's good. we've had deaths, unfortunately, but we know there are thousands of cases around us, until they're identified, and we have contact tracing, people don't want to go out and about. president doesn't want his numbers to change.
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he said that in early march, still saying it. president government is only authority who can command companies to make the supplies we need, make sure we use the power to get tests where we need. send tests from busy lab to lab less busy. as scientists have said if you have a test that takes more than 24 hours to get results, it's not effective because in the meantime it's circulating. >> you think the president doesn't want his numbers -- that's phrase you pointed out to me when i talked to you couple days ago, phrase he used at cdc about his numbers rising. you think it's calculation. doesn't want that on his record. >> what he has on his record right now is we have 22 million unemployed americans. we've had over 30,000 deaths in
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a six-week period of time. we need to make sure we don't have more deaths and we don't have more economic tragedy. only way the economy of this country is going to recover is if we get a handle on the virus. and you said light at end of the tunnel. this is a marathon. until we have a fully vaccinated nation, we need to have a plan that goes from mid-april where we are now with shocking numbers, to a full vaccination program in the united states. and if we're not going to use the muscle and logistics and revenue of the federal government to get supplies, to get personal protective equipment for our front lines, to get ventilators, what in the world are we going to do when we have a vaccine available? what are we going to do in terms of getting that vaccine throughout the country and distributing it in fair and equitable fashion?
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we need a national plan. >> should also point out term light at the end of the tunnel is term that johnson administration folks started to use in '67 or '68 about the vietnam war and of course it dragged on for years after that. very, very long tunnel indeed, sadly. appreciate your time, thank you. >> good to be with you. just ahead, one company just got a government grant worth hundreds of millions of dollars. to talk about the time line for vaccine trial, how long may have to wait if indeed it works. be right back. every financial plan needs a cfp® professional -- confident financial plans, calming financial plans, complete financial plans. they're all possible with a cfp® professional.
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return to the hunt for a vaccine now, producing promising, even market moving headlines. testing is in early stages, no drug received fda approval. company that received government grant money to help develop a drug that's shown promise. president of moderna, thanks for being with us. you just completed phase one of the trials, about to start phase two. can you talk about what that entails and how this may work? >> sure. first, point of clarification,
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announce this week we'll fully enrolled phase one study, conducted by national institutes of health, dr. fauci's team. they've added cohorts for older americans, 55 to 70 and 71-plus to build out a full data set. >> so fully enrolled is started? how does that work? >> the original study, all the subjects in the study. >> can you talk about what you hope to see and what the time line might be? >> for the phase one we're looking at first and foremost safety. but also looking at something called inimmunogenicity. ability of the vaccine to develop immune response for
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patients. hoping to start phase two study in several hundred subjects. build out data set and hopefully provide substantial body of the data by summer. >> sanjay? >> i think it was your company that dr. fauci said has the ground speed record or land speed record for getting the trial up and going. pretty fast. but is this a binary thing, if you're not getting good response, can you tweak at that point or do you have to start from the beginning again? how does that work? >> one of the advantages we have with our platform because we provide instructions for the body to make its own vaccine, use a technique called messenger
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rna. has to be done responsibly but if we need to make changes to vaccine, protein we're encoding, int antigen or other features should be able to do that using your platform. don't foresee that as challenge but something we're able to do if necessary. >> what's enabled you to move so fast? literally people working around the clock and getting more people and working more? >> yeah, certainly it's felt like a sprint that started three or four months ago and continues to this day every day. people working around the clock. one of the key advantages we've had, our platform. our approach is new but our approach to making vaccines is based on messenger-rna, a set of instructions for making protein, it's in every cell of your body, how all biology makes protein to
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make. and even this virus, its genetic message is encoded in that inside of it. you manufacture a vaccine by making the virus or making a protein on the virus and scaling it up significantly. in our cases we just provide the instructions, make the messenger-rna, give directly to the patients to develop immune response. difference between software or hardware approach, we use the software approach. same four ingredients is used every time, it's just order of the letters in genetic code that make up the information, we can move quickly. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. sanjay, thanks. he's going to stay. as the coronavirus death toll continues to rise, take you
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