tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN April 17, 2020 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
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good evening, again in last 24 hours more than 4,000 people have died of coronavirus in this country. heard a researcher talk about new modeling that shows 60,000 fatalities by early august, more than killed during 15 years of fighting in vietnam. with that as backdrop, country grappling to get back to some sort of normality, president and task force briefed the country tonight, lot of slides and details, federal backup on coronavirus testing but not a centralized federal plan for managing it, implementing it, helping pay for it, supplying materials needing to do it or
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taking responsibility for it. president took questions about his support for protesters in three states to resist social distancing guidelines, the guidelines his own task force is calling for. sent out three tweets saying liberate those states. that and much more ahead. kaitlan collins, any better sense why the president is talking about liberating certain states? from the very guidelines that he and the task force have been suggesting. >> reporter: and he's also urging them to liberate them a day after he said it was up to the governors to call the shots and decide when the states would reopen and when to loosen the guidelines. president didn't offer a lot of insight beyond he thinks some of them are unfair, but he was asked about the governors that feared his comments to incite further protests and have more
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protesters not observing social distancing guidelines out in the streets of the states. this is what the president said about those concerns. >> earlier today jay inslee said that your tweets encouraging -- >> who said this? >> inslee, said your tweets about liberation in michigan, minnesota and virginia were fomenting rebellion. wondering how that squares with the sober and methodical guidance you issued yesterday. >> we do have a sober guidance but some things are too stuff. some of the states you're mentioning it's too tough. not only relative to this but what they've done in virginia with the second amendment is a horrible thing. he's under a cloud to start off with, when you see what he said about the second amendment, what
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other states have done, i feel very comfortable. >> reporter: president defending what he said. states the president called out on twitter are of course all blue states, battleground states for the election in november. didn't single out republican governors working, or ohio led by republican even though also had protests in that state as well. >> i mean this is -- says he's a war time president, fighting a war against invisible enemy, and he's telling people to defy the guidelines that he himself has set out, liberate their states from democratic governors, i mean -- where do things stand with states reopening? governors and president not on the same page certainly in terms of testing, and no sign of further embrace of testing by this president. >> reporter: we've been wondering all week if the
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president has been hearing concerns about testing. tonight we saw at least his officials were, came out to lay out where they were with testing. believes some states need to meet criteria to start phase one and some states have them. didn't say which states they were, didn't want to encourage that, leaving up to the governors. didn't get clear picture how to ramp up testing. dr. fauci said testing is not only criteria, we know that, contact tracing is just as important. but a lot of governors are saying they're not there yet, need federal assistance to ramp up testing and president didn't seem to be saying he's going to step in and step up with that assistance, it's still up to the states in his mind. >> not assisting on that or
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contact tracing. president obama's top adviser with ebola outbreak, adviser of the biden campaign, secretary of homeland security. you tweeted this isn't a plan, it's barely a powerpoint. talk about your major concerns. did you hear anything tonight that changes your view? for all the talk about testing from the podium today, i don't know that any governors in any states have any belief there's money coming their way to hire out for contact tracing or hire out for testing. >> look, the president can encourage crowds and rile people up, but if states are going to reopen without testing, they're doing it blind. don't know who has the virus, who doesn't, how widely it's spread, how many people are going to get sick, how many are
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going to die. it's not just money, tests, lot of the key parts come from overseas, testing machines are complicated. tests sounds like pencil and paper. it's not. test kit, swabs, reagent chemicals, reprocessing machines with many parts, many come from overseas. governors are saying washington, d.c., you need to work out how to get this from overseas into our states. it's more than money it's leadership and organization from federal government that's not being provided. without testing, don't know what we're opening up into. >> i understand it's complex but on the swab thing, how is it possible that this country cannot manufacture some frigging swabs in enough quantity to not have us ever talk about swabs again. i do not understand, these are
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swabs, what is the complexity of this. >> they are special swabs, flexible, not a q-tip from the corner drugstore, put it out there. >> right but -- i don't know how many, it's not made of suitcailn by a glowworm. >> it's not nuclear physics. i know. there is an answer to this question that we could stop discussing it. president of the united states has the authority to order the immediate manufacture of them. likes to talk about absolute authority over things he has no authority over. this is something he does have authority over. he could give the order, order the manufacture of these things and you and i would never have to talk about it again. >> juliette, what do you make of where we're at?
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>> today was odd. fauci was saying we're not going to have enough kits. number of the testing kits you need, they're continuous until you get a vaccine. i thought he was steering us towards a different way of thinking about what coming outside means. which is a level of vulnerability and therefore deaths more than would be if we were a country that could get its act together. we're going to focus on treatment and there is good news there, and social distancing is going to be part of our life whether we want it to be or not. going to make personal decisions when and how to go out. employers, responsible ones, are going to ensure their employees are safe, will be rules around that. and public sector, when you open up schools. schools are tier b in the white house plan, not in the first wave. i think that's what we're
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looking at with more deaths than any other country in the world because we cannot get our act together. it's disconcerting and means we're going to go inside -- be forced inside more often than not, economically it's more destabilizing than if we just spent money getting testing kits together. that's how i left the meeting today. >> i don't want to ask about the tweets, tired of that, focused enough on that. what does it look like to you for a company -- if you're ceo of a company of any size right now, what do you need in order to get your employees back and have them be safe and have some comfort -- i assume it's companies large enough can afford to do it will try to test their own employees on regular basis. employee develops a cost, will be tested with quick test to
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know whether they have it or not. and temperature checks will be taken when people come in, that seems like basics, you know. >> it's part of it, go back to what juliette said, which i agree with. part of it is changing how we work, reconfiguring offices so we're not elbow to elbow. reconfiguring restaurants and shops with fewer tables, waitresses wearing gloves and masks, face masks. will put more pressure on the supply chain to produce this personal protective equipment. we're going to send people back into the workplace with a risk, consumers out with a risk. and responsible ones will do their best to reduce it. but president is saying we're going forward without knowing what we're sending people into.
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>> and think -- sorry. >> go ahead. >> i think what that means then, those of us who have the options, whether with work or on personal behavior will be exceptionally risk averse. if you ask me now will i go out to a drink as i start to open up, honest answer is no. won't take that risk, i have three kids. i think that's what's going to happen, self-social distancing because the risk is out there. this is going to harm people who don't have the choices that the three of us do. >> right. my next point. this is basically -- we all know about the inequality that exists in society in best of times. this is now enforcing and exacerbating those very inequalities. people who cannot afford to stay at home or work remotely are
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going to be exposing themselves to this virus. >> that's exactly right. and this is the damning part of the strategy by the white house by leaving it to states that they know cannot do this. i often say, crisis hits a country as it is, not as we want it to be. every division in our society, race, economic, health care accessibility will be exacerbated in the short-term, one hopes we learn our lessons and change. but until we get a vaccine, this is going to expose the inequalities of this country as well as for many of us be a type of adaptive recovery. every day will be different because -- >> and ron we're already seeing that. god bless grocery store employees and delivery people, whether food or fedex or
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packages, ups, i mean, it is people who do not have -- have to put food on the table and go out and expose themselves for their own family and to basically keep all of us connected in the -- and running. >> yeah. i think to build on that, two kinds of divisions will be exacerbated here. first, talk about economy being shut down right now, it's not shut down. millions of americans are at work so some of us can stay and work from home. delivering packages, creating electricity and internet and those things, already at risk. second thing is division between red and blue states. beaches at jacksonville being open. different behaviors and choices by governors not based on different circumstances but different political philosophies, going to divide this country even further, worse than it's divided already.
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we focused on the president's briefing top of the program. now want to look at how goals he set to reopen the country are playing out in one city. jacksonville, florida, beaches reopened. what happened next? >> reporter: it was a mad dash here for the ocean. once police gave the all-clear, all the people lined up flooded the area. biking, running, swimming, surfing. fishing some of them. lot of people brought their dogs. as if they had been cooped up for years. that's how they were behaving
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when it had been about a month, first closed this beach march 20th. this is what the mayor of jacksonville is saying, these are essential activities, all the recreational activities on the beach are essential and well in line with the florida governor's executive order. he says it's okay. limiting hours 5:00 to 8:00 p.m. just closed. and from 6:00 to 11:00 in the morning. hours in between beach will be shut down. asked people what it was like to be back on the beach and asked them if they saw any social distancing. from what we could see, wasn't a lot of that going on. take a look. how does it feel to be back on the beach? >> yoohoo, fabulous, we live on it, torturous to look at it and
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not be out. >> reporter: what have been doing instead? >> reading, sewing masks, eating, gaining weight. >> sadly, wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't last very long, but i'm just hoping people are smart about it. and just try to stay as far apart as they can, not ruin it for the rest of us. >> reporter: how does it feel to have the beach open? >> great. we live just over there, waiting for this day to happen. now i just hope they don't stay open, so many standing around close together. i don't know if good thing or bad thing but can't be worse than golf course or grocery store. >> mayor did ask people to do social distancing on the beach and try to keep six feet away at
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least but weren't seeing a lot of that. people with coolers on beach towels, sunbathing, didn't feel like there was hint we were in middle of the pandemic on the jacksonville beach. there were very few masks and only once did an officer go over to ask them to leave because not encouraged you congregate. >> at least did it later in the day, not prime sun hours. other people might come out for that reason. we'll see how that develops. so many young people on the beach calls attention to a mystery scientists are unable to unlock. coronavirus leaves some young people with mild symptoms and others with life or death struggle. dr. sanjay gupta. what he found. >> these were some of the first heartbreaking images we saw of the coronavirus in the united
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states, outbreak at life care center in kirkland, washington, a nursing home. at the time it made sense. earlier studies had shown the disease was more severe and deadly among people who were older and had underlying conditions. yet all along we kept hearing stories of young, healthy people becoming extremely sick like 30-year-old ben. >> came into bedroom where i was laying, said i got to go to the hospital. i said are you sure, he said yes, i need to. >> 39-year-old conrad. >> he was starting to decline, didn't have horrible cough whole time, 22nd i brought him to the hospital. >> young companies, husbands and wives all infected, yet the wives stayed relatively healthy while their husbands became suddenly critically ill and died. >> they wouldn't let me in the
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hospital as he was begging i need my wife, my wife makes my decisions, they told me to park the car, i thought i was able to go in with him. go up to the doors, hospital on lockdown, wouldn't let anybody in. that was it. never got to say i love you. >> two days after ben was released from hospital, he was back home in bed. >> could hear him breathing. fell asleep. >> by the time brandi woke up, ben had passed away. why does covid-19 hit some people like conrad and ben so hard while many others have mild or no symptoms at all. it's a question that dr. anthony fauci posed to me on my podcast. >> i'm fascinated by the path ogenesis. get so many people who do well and some people bingo, on
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respirator, dead. there's something there we're missing from pathogenesis standpoint. i don't think it's only elderly or underlying conditions, something else hopefully we'll figure out. >> still don't know the answer but over last few weeks talking to multiple scientists and frontline workers trying to better understand what's happening here. older and vulnerable people, could be the virus itself overwhelmed their immune system. for younger people it could be their immune system was too strong, reacted too violently, resulting in storm of inflammation. >> crit o cytokines, uncontrolll that ultimately damages tissues in lung and blood vessels. >> or maybe the amount of virus itself.
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>> for reasons we don't understand, frontline health care workers are at great risk for illness despite younger age, maybe the higher dose they're receiving. >> answer could be in our genes, maybe there's another risk factor besides just being older or having underlying disease. >> studies show those more likely to have is severe infections are older or have chronic medical conditions but unclear what counts as chronic medical condition. some clear, some not. >> there's no discrimination when it comes to this virus and seeing what my husband had to go through was horrible and now our life has turned into this horrible nightmare. >> so awful. back with us now, dr. sanjay gupta, joining us, dr. richard levton who traveled to new york
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to work. thanks for your service. what made you want to travel to new york city to help? >> thank you for having me. i grew up in new york, trained at bellevue hospital, friends and family, lot of people i love and care about are there. and serious addiction to papaya king hot dogs, good piece of pizza. >> i live near a papaya king. >> there you go. >> i think it's closed. >> they were open, some of the day. >> i got to stop by, hot dogs and papaya juice like $1.99 or something, can't beat it. sanjay you have questions as well. that report was so extraordinary. what some families have been through. sorry. i thought i was only one who couldn't hear.
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sanjay, we can't hear you going to try to fix that. doctor when you started treating covid-19 patients, what was different from other respiratory distress? >> as emergency physician, most of the people i intubate are literally dying in front of me having trouble breathing, unconscious because lungs not working and carbon dioxide is building up and they've passed out or they're shot in the chest or not getting enough oxygen. what was amazing about covid-19 patients were these were people with horrific looking x-rays, terrible pneumonia on x-ray and oxygen saturation at numbers that seemed noncompatible with life. pulse of 50% for instance but they were on their cell phones as we were connecting them to
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monitors. brain was working fine but disconnect between how ugly the x-rays looked and how terrible the oxygen was, it was like nothing i've ever seen. unusual to have patients who are talking to you with that kind of chest x-ray, those kinds of numbers, and on a cell phone nonetheless. >> sanjay you're back. >> yeah. i think so. i was reading statistics that patients who went on the ventilators, likelihood of them being able to come off the ventilator was 20%, 30%, really tough. i wonder if it makes you think there's something besides just a respiratory problem going on and how did that affect whatever treatments you may have given to the patients? >> i'm sorry, still got me there? >> yeah, we got you. >> can hear you, yeah.
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>> so what i was going to say, trying to come up with a statistic of who survives ventilators is very difficult. the number of people who die on ventilators who are young is extremely small. unfortunately in elderly, nursing home patients, death rate is very, very high. there is no one number to that question. >> did it make you pursue other treatments or strategies besides putting patients on ventilators? >> absolutely. as i headed down to new york from new hampshire, it was eerie, driving down the merritt down the interstate and there was nobody on the road. had a long talk with my friend nick caputo, works in south bronx, emergency and critical care doc, preparing me for what was coming, and explained this
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phenomenon, x-rays looking awful. what he and others around new york, large group of people in emergency medicine began to do this, strayer in brooklyn, caputo and bunch of people in queens, realized if they put people on oxygen, nasal can you'll las, c-pap masks and turned them on stomachs on oxygen pulse apps would go up dramatically. and began to question whether or not we should be intubating as many patients as we had initially. over course of time at bellevue i saw that change. intubation rates went down for the alternative therapies. >> that's fascinating. sanjay you had heard other
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doctors talk about that. dr. leavitten, thanks for coming to new york and helping save the city and for what you do in normal times. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. just want to mention the real heroes are on the front lines in new york city. i came for ten days. but thank you for having me. >> going to have a papaya dog in your honor. >> thank you. up next, lab report from other struggling area of the country, navaho nation. one of the highest infection rates in the country. we'll take you there ahead. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some... rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system
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let's always keep our distance - please, six feet apart at least. let's look after ourselves, as well as others. it will all be worth it. we can all do our part. so those on the front line can do their part. and when this is over, we will all, continue, to thrive. lack of testing and medical equipment we've been talking about this week have hit poorer communities particularly hard, native americans no exception.
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navaho nation, through three states in american southwest already suffers from unemployment, and coronavirus infection rate ranks behind only new york and new jersey, and doesn't have the facilities to match the crisis there. >> reporter: look at the nurse in yellow being suited up, protective mask she's wearing is a welder's mask. personal protective equipment is at such a premium this hospital has bought 60 masks from a welding company. this one of the many challenges for the indian medical center adjacent to the remote splendor of navaho nation. >> this is the largest icu in navaho nation. >> reporter: infectious disease expert takes me inside the intensive care unit. >> we transformed this into a
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covid unit. done things weer in thought were proper, like iv poles in the doorway where people might trip over them. best way for the nurse to manage the medications without putting on ppe. >> reporter: in that room a very sick woman on ventilator for about a week. nearby? >> roll it down. squeeze it in. >> both of them? >> yeah. just be careful with the one with the thing missing. will squirt you in the face. >> reporter: woman appears to be in even more dire shape about to get a fresh frozen plasma transfusion. >> to prevent the breathing problems, part of a resuscitation. that's a very critically ill person right now. >> there was a patient in there. >> we'll go ahead. >> reporter: this is the largest
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icu of the four hospitals in the navaho area, smaller than you would think. >> six rooms, all full. when people come in, have to go into intensive care, have to be flown 130 miles to albuquerque. it's upsetting for members of the navaho nation to leave and go to albuquerque but unfortunately a necessity. >> reporter: and with people already in icu covid-19 patients need procedures not done in local area. >> live between four sacred mountains and prefer to stay in their homeland. >> many of the staff speak navaho, comfortable for them to be with us in navaho nation. >> reporter: when members feel they might have covid-19, they're initially seen outside the hospital in tents set up. >> any muscle aches? >> yeah.
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>> reporter: then. this is where suspected patients are brought, emergency room. then might go to a coronavirus ward where there is some good news today. >> going to get test x-ray and labs and likely be able to get her out of here. >> super, outstanding. thank you. >> reporter: navaho nation, 175,000 people who live here, has more cases of covid-19 than nine entire states. more deaths than 13 states. and according to the chief medical officer of the navaho area indian health service -- >> i don't believe we've hit our peak yet. >> reporter: believed to be enough ventilators but ppe shortage is concerning. >> try to tell them to be strong, use ppe and try to get rest to stay healthy. >> but it weighs on you. >> it does. >> reporter: before we leave the hospital, decision is made, woman in this room needs
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critical care she can only get in bigger city. she's brought out on a stretcher and will be taken by ambulance to a plane for a flight to a bigger city hospital where doctors will try to save her life. >> gary joins us now from window rock, arizona, capital of navaho nation. do we know how the woman in your piece is doing? >> i'm sorry, anderson, i don't know that answer. hospital has a policy it doesn't release conditions but i do know we're thinking about her and her family, feel like we know her, in icu for much of the afternoon watching amazing work of these doctors and nurses. >> what are the leaders of the navaho nation trying to do to protect the community? >> leaders from the capital have issued orders very stringent.
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notable a curfew, everybody who lives here has to stay in home. can't go outside for exercise, to gas stations or stores unless there is an absolute emergency or you're emergency worker. if you go outside and police see, will give you citation, doing it this weekend, next and maybe more in the future. did it last weekend for first time. talked to gentleman who lives here, children outside playing, police issued him a warning. you need to have your children indoors. >> gary, thanks for reporting. coming up, story of two health care workers married and on the front lines in two different cities, their experiences over the course of this pandemic. (slow music plays)
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we continue to look at health care workers making a difference in this pandemic. want you to meet a special couple, jim mullen, a registered nurse travelled to new york city to volunteer at emergency room, left job as lawyer to return to nursing. wife is emergency room doctor, physician and medical director
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of two medical facilities in dallas. they both me now. jim you've been in new york two weeks, this is your day off, sorry you're spending part of it with us here but i appreciate you doing this. i guess there's not much else to do in new york city i should say, since i live her here as well. why did you decide to come help out? you're living in texas. >> we had a stay-at-home order in place for a couple of days or a week. gave me the opportunity to see the news and see people like you telling us all what was going on. because i had background as er nurse and not putting it to use, felt obligated to help. that's the reason. >> that's amazing. showing the picture of you on the plane, clearly had a choice of seats there, people not sac flying. dr. mullen, you were already treating coronavirus patients as
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er doctor in dallas, wondering your reaction to your husband saying i'm going to new york. >> i was proud of him but jim felt it in his heart to go help out his nurse colleagues and patients of new york. he had this duty to serve in his heart. it was kind of hard not to support that. >> jim, i heard what was the first thing you do first shift when he got here? >> when i got here, at a hospital in queens now but first hospital was in the bronx, within five minutes asked to do a body run. what i was doing was collecting all of the people who had expired and bringing them to the refrigerated trucks out in the back. it was an interesting experience to be sure. >> yeah. sobering first job to have to do. i know you post updates on your social media account and you said one of the biggest problems
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initially was just the pace of patients coming in and needing treatment. was that anything like anything you had seen before when you were working as a nurse? >> yeah, no. first six or seven shifts i've had have been up like anything i've ever seen or could have possibly imagined. worked at one of the largest trauma centers in atlanta when i got my start, very busy. four or five critical patients while you were there, i had 11 or 12 critical patients on vents, in diabetic ketoacidosis, on critical drips you have to be with at all times. my job was run to patient to patient to try to keep them alive. luckily it's started to trend downwards last shifts but that's not invitation to go is outside. people need to take the orders
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seriously yeah, i noticed the last couple of days i ride my bike to and from work. you start to see more people in the streets and it's a very strange feeling, a very uncomfortable feeling. dr. mullen, what's the past couple of weeks been like for you? you're working, dealing with this in your hospitals. you also have a 2-year-old daughter who i should point out is incredibly adorable in gracie. how is juggling all of this been? >> so, you know, right now we are predicted to be about ten days from our peak, so at boeth of our hospitals we're just getting prepared to take on a higher load of patients. currently we're actually seeing a decreased amount of patients, but the ones that are coming in are sick and infected with coronavirus. but i think the people in texas are taking the shelter in place seriously and we're not seeing a
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lot of nonemergent cases in the emergency department. >> we had dr. murray on earlier tonight and he said the good news is in southern states there has been much more effective social distancing than they had perhaps modeled. the bad news is in places like new york, we're in sort of the high point for a longer period of time. dr. mullen, i appreciate so much what you're doing and jim mullen as well. thank you so much for coming to the city and i know there's so many folks who are at the place you're staying who have also come here and traveled here and it's extraordinary the work so many people are doing. thank you both. >> thanks so much for having us. >> you take care. just ahead, remembering a legendary music patriarch, ellis marcell is jr. who died of complications from coronavirus. we'll talk to one of his sons, winton when, we continue. we havn into virtual learning to make sure that the education is continuing.
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we take this time during the program to remember people who have lost their lives. tonight we honor a legendary musical patriarch, ellis marsalis jr. who died because of complications of the virus. his son, bradford and wynton have become stars in their own right. here's just a glimpse of ellis and wynton performing together. ♪ >> wynton marsalis joins us now. i'm so sorry for your loss. your father was just obviously such an extraordinary musician, an educator to so many people. he played every -- am i right that he played like every friday night two sets at snug harbor for like three decades? >> for a very long time, yeah.
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he was a local legend and fantastic teacher and person. very sweethearted person. >> and did he -- did he want you to be a musician? was that -- in the family growing up? >> he wanted me to do whatever i wanted to do. when i graduated from high school, i had a lot of scholarship, just academically. everyone around me was saying don't go around to music because you're going to struggle like your father has done. i asked him what should i do. he said, man, don't have nothing to fall back on. so he believe had in the music and he was -- he was more about the kind of spiritual and emotional community as spent of the music and not about whether you can buy things. >> so he said -- he said don't have anything to fall back on? >> don't have anything to fall back on. >> that's extraordinary advice. >> look, i was 17. when i left home, it was kind of contentious. i had all my stuff in a box.
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he said is that all your stuff in there? i said yeah. he said what's in there? i said three jeans and something else. he said are you okay? i said i'm okay. he said what's in there? he said are you okay? i said yeah, i'm okay. he said remember you can go down to what's in this box and you'll be okay. >> wow. that is a great lesson. i mean most -- as you know, most parents would say, well, look, sure it's great you love music but why don't you get an accounting degree first. >> this is a man who struggled in music to make a living. i saw him struggling. and when i had the opportunity to play with art blake and leave school, i said should i play with art blake or stay in school? i was attending julliard, which is the greatest conservator in the world. he said the conservatory is going to be there. you need to get your education with boot. that was his nickname. >> wow, that is incredible. your dad grew up at a time in a
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very different time and place. how did that -- i mean not just affect the arc of his life but the music. did it -- did it have an impact on the music? >> of course he grew up in a time of segregation and so did we, as a matter of fact. i was born in '61, so it was during the civil rights movement. we were basically segregated, grew up in segregation. and there's still a lot of segregation. so yes, music -- the music has consciousness. that's why it's not that well known. my father was pure consciousness. he was purely about the music. he loved people and humanity and had a very broad vision of the world. we were joking about the coronavirus two or three days before he had been in because i would always tease him. it wasn't like i was joking like it was a joke but i said you better watch out, you and that age, you've got health problems. he said, man, everybody is struggling with this. so your loved one being hurt is no different from anybody else. >> wow. he just sounds like a remarkable guy. i'm going to remember that about
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the box. that is such a -- that's an important message. that's a strong man. >> he had many of them. >> i wish we had more time but i appreciate you talking about him. it's really -- >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> glad to talk about him, thank you. >> take care. our hearts go out to you and your family. quick programming note. wynton will be on tomorrow night's special report on coronavirus on a special broadcast. don lemon, van jones will host the conversation. that's tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. eastern. the news continues right now. i want to turn things over to chris for "cuomo prime time." chris, how are you doing? >> what a week in our collective history. it has been a privilege to watch you carrying the load. i wish you the best for the weekend. get some rest and stay safe. we need you. >> all right, you too, chris. >> have a good weekend, brother. >> you too. >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to
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