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now. it is certainly the key to getting anywhere back to near normal. now, the grave toll. california, 1,000 lives lost. they passed that mark today. yesterday set a new single day record for reported death in the state. so the situation is very grave. yet this president has decided to fuel the fire of protest tors who decided to risk safety and yours by the way. if you live in the state. they are not happy about being told to stay home. staying home saves lives. here's the story from nick watt. >> reporter: hunting ton beach, california. a protest march complete with trump 2020 flags. similar scenes also other parts of the country. they are calling for the country to open up again. jacksonville, florida. they reopened the beaches. the crowds came. immediately. many completely ignoring the

social distancing guidelines that are still supposed to be in place. >> folks, this can be the beginning of the path way back to normal life. please respect and follow these limitations. >> in texas state parks will open monday a week from now stores can open. for pickup only. but. >> school classrooms are clesed for the rest of the school year. >> governors not the president will be calling the shots. >> we must get this right. stakes are high. >> some saying we're just not there yet. >> the fact of the matter is, it's better to be six pete apart than six feet under. that is the point of this. we have to save lives. >> there were protests against stay home orders in michigan and today the president tweeted liberate michigan. >> i think elements of what they're doing are too much. >> you have to develop a testing capacity. that doesn't now exist.

we cannot do it without federal help. >> our best scientists and health experts assess that states today have enough tests to implement the criteria of phase one. if they choose to do so. >> reopening will be regional. >> opening some states and not others is like somebody said to me it's like having paying section in the swimming pool. a peeing section in the pool. >> let's not forget there are thousands of healthcare workers on the front lines. >> we have a lot of sick patients. org organ failure. >> still to many lives in the balance. >> unfortunately on the verge of being intube baited. >> so many people in sufficient

tough spots. thanks to nick bat for reporting. i don't know how with the vice president said can be true. why would the governors lie? democrat and republican. why would they not want testing capacity and reopen? they are feeling political strain trump is. they are handling it different. more responsibly. let's bring in a leading doctor who helped defeat smallpox. it's important to understand what worked then and what we need to see now. doctor larry. very good to have you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. hope you're feeling better. >> i am. i have to tell you, a digression. i don't know what's going on with my own case. i need 72 hours fever free. like anything lower than 92. but my normal temperature is 97

something. so i'm not back to baseline. then they say something you know, many of us don't. who have covid-19 and don't. you don't just get better. there's a recovery phase. you have finished a fight. your body is beat up. you may have low grade fever. you will have respiratory distress. you cannot just go back to the gym. this will take weeks. they are seeing in the research out of china. shouldn't people be aware? >> they should. this a novel virus. it's only four months old. it's like a baby. it can't walk yet. we know so little. we're finding a will the of people who have blood in the urine because the virus affects the kidney. people have the harmed by the virus sudden heart disease. we know about loss of smell and taste. the nerve is affected. people have diarrhea.

it's not just a respiratory disease in the sense of a float. it's a respiratory disease like smallpox. it spread by respiration and affects the whole body. >> one other question and we'll get into the analogy of what you learn learned from smallpox and now. the question is about that the state of play. that we're having. i'm sure that you have been hearing antidote. i got beat up in the media. the media polices itself and says things are baseless. have you had people tell you, i think i had this. i was never tested. but i had this crazy flu and i couldn't breathe. and i had a week of fever. and this was back around thanksgiving. i have had dozens tell me that. they could have been wrong.

but it sound early familiar. >> my wife had it and so many friends had it. kind of at the time we wrote it off to bronchitis. i do wonder especially with the data coming in from the south bay of california. where they are finding when they do proper testing, that the actual number of cases can be 30 times more. >> yeah. from smallpox what did you learn that you don't see being applied today. >> the most important thing was early detection and response. find every case. and double down on the case in the area around it. three miles around it. 200 contacts. we had a vaccine. but we have something almost as effective as a vaccine. it's shorter lasting. that's quarantine. if we found every case by

testing and testing and testing, did contact tracing with the enthusiasm i know this country can muster. and then quarantined only the ones who were at risk who had the disease -- then we could begin to talk about opening up parts of the country. until we do that, we're fighting a losing battle. >> i don't want to bathe you in politics. let's end it there. dr. brilliant thank you for elling us what worked and the testing, identification, tracing is everything now. once again. thank you for your perspective. one of the things we're learning about covid-19. the equal opportunity virus. rich, poor, brown, white, male, female. it gets you. however, many of us million of us are at greater risk of having this hit them and hit them hard if they are minority.

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a lot online are saying i feel the same way. i'm over it but i'm still sick. it's the recovery thing. we're still learning. we have to learn together. i'll give you information. if it helps you avoid confusion. great. you are helping me as well. here's something else we have to learn about. we're not all getting hit equally. black americans are twice as likely to know someone who died or hospitalized because of covid-19. in new york city, african-americans are dying at twice the rate of whites. come on. we know what this is about.

we know what we're doing once again. let's discuss the problem and what we should be doing. van jones is cohosting a new cnn special to look at the victims behind the data the color of covid-19. tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. great to see you. i hope your family is well. we know why african-americans are geting hit. they don't have access to healthcare. more under lying conditions because they don't get the right access to food. and they have density issues. and they have general protocol issues and a laxity in getting them health services they need. we know the problem. the question is, how is it playing out now in realtime and is it being addressed? >> i think because of you and others the alarm is finally being sounded. i appreciate your consistency on this and clarity on it. the reality is we initially were

hearing this will be a disease impacting old people, people who went to asia and stuff like that. a lot of african-americans said that's not me. i'm 35 and 25 i'm going to be fine. what we didn't understand what that high blood pressure which is an epidemic in the black community is really linked to dying with this thing. so suddenly when they say under lying health conditions, turns out that has been fatal for the african-american community. and so we should be rushing masks, tests. ventilators. respirators to the black and brown community. i'm not playing the race card i'm playing the data card. those are the hot spots. you should be rushing the test to the hot spots. what where you know now is a community african-americans, latinos and others are especially at risk for dying. more likely to get the virus because we have the jobs on the front line. we have the essential workers.

less likely to have insurance and healthcare. more likely to have under lying conditions in a situation like that there should be an emergency response to rush masks and tests ventilators and to the community. we're not seeing that yet. it has to happen. >> don't run this bs to van or me about that's on them. bad habits and bad culture. no it isn't. it's about diet and under lying healthcare and systemic neglect. of the community. poverty. and when you adjust you see problems with diabetes and hyper tension and blood pressure run. it's about poverty. what happens when and if -- let's hope if more than when. we reopen but don't have the testing. don't have the prof lactic in place. and the capacity in dense areas.

what will we see in the area? >> massive death sentence for people of color. the reason you have everybody sheltering in place is buy us time to get the testing in place. and get more hospital beds and vaccine. long term. which if you don't have the test in place and just throw the doors open, guess what? people walk back outside, going to get hit with this thing and right back where we were and possibly worse. now you have a lot of healthcare providers knocked out themselves. it's the most irresponsible thing to throw the doors open. we need to test people. in hong kong and south korea they tested everybody and when you test then you know. when you know you can say you two stay inside. you five can go out. it works. if you're guessing and giggle and hope it works out, this is

lethal stuff. this is lethal stuff for a whole community of people that cannot afford another round of this. we are already dying in record numbers. >> you know where the least testing is. the least access right now. in the communities. i have to tell you, you didn't mean it this way. over your right shoulder right now nelson is staring at us. he is not -- he's giving the exact face he would give if he would have heard the president of the united states in the middle of what we're talking about is telling people waving their trump stuff. let's be honest. it's no a coincidence it's the trumpers out there in the states saying i have had enough with the stay home. and he's telling them to liberate their state. how dangerous is it for the president who says he wants to heal to play the heal and get people angry and at the only thing that's flattening the curve? >> listen, i would appeal to the

president. and every leader in the country. this is the one time we have to be data driven. it's very easy to be ideology driven and politically. when you have the lives in your hand, governor over a state. if you're the president of the united states. ma mayor. you have people's lives in your hand. and a wrong decision you literally have the difference between tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people dying. i would appeal to every leader including the president. please listen to the public health people. people that tell you. open this up because of the economy. here's what we don't seem to have we have not gotten this through our head. nobody wants to go back to work more than black folk. nobody wants to go back to work safely than black folk and poor folk. it's decimating people from the economic point of view. we have to use the time to get the test. nobody wants us to last.

the minute we have the test in place then we can do this. rather than prematurely pushing us back out there. we have to get sick again. we'll be back here again at the cost of tens of thousands of lives. use this time well. get the test in place and then open the economy. test first. then have us take the risk. don't have us take the risk when we don't have data or test. >> if you want to yell about liberating something. liberate the factories. and get them making swabs sp making the reagent and doing things they did. they did more expansive work in world war ii. people making vacuums and making machine guns. and airplanes. they can make this leap. he hasn't pulled that trigger. instead he's pandering and playing to a negative politics that will get us more sick. thank you for helping. if anybody asks -- go ahead. >> tomorrow night at 10:00.

i hope everybody comes back around this campfire. you'll be shocked at some of the voices from black america and brown america. the most famous people in the world coming around to talk about this. in a deeper way. anybody who watches that will come to the right conclusion about what to do. as leaders. >> van jones, tonight you have him looking over your shoulder. tomorrow van jones, d. lemon. color of covid-19. 10:00 p.m. eastern. you'll be home. might as well watch here on cnn. all right. three of the best known tv doctors. and one isn't even an md. what have they been saying? crazy stuff on state tv. crazy, dangerous, ugly stuff. who wants to push an agenda they help?

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why do we call fox news state tv? this is why. bring on celebrity doctors who make absurd claims to nodding heads. listen. >> the entire problem we're having is due to panic, not the virus. it's mild and the press needs to shut up. >> i saw a nice piece arguing that the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3% in total mortality.

it might be a trade off some folks consider. >> 45,000 people a year die from automobile accidents. 480,000 from cigarettes. 360,000 from swimming pools. we don't shut the country down for that. we're doing it for this? >> because i'm not going make you break your neck if i break mine in a swimming pool. the record shows us what? they have all backtracked. why. they got busted. it's a ridiculous thing to defend. dr. drew earlier this month apologized for down playing the threat. he's not the only one. they are encouraged to do it on that channel. it's on him. that's the message they want out there. dr. oz says he misspoke about schools. and the latest apology from dr. phil. not a medical doctor by the way. he shouldn't be talking about this. he acknowledges none of his examples were contagious causes of death. which is the key. and he knew that.

he knew it was compelling b.s. why did they do it? that's the discussion to have right now with oliver. who has done a will the of the reporting on this. i argue the answer is simple as where they said it. this is what fox is about. they want the message out there that is isn't a big deal. and that's how you get to press like today. protests like today. trump folk are encouraged by far right groups. what's your analysis? >> right. one, i would be alarmed if a member of my family were sharing this misinformation. and to hear a health professional going on national television during a pandemic and sharing this kind of frankly dangerous information to millions of viewers is just nuts. to your point, i don't know why these medical professionals are

saying this on fox. it has always supported fox's general message or editorial viewpoint about the coronavirus. if you look at it early on they were trying to down play the threat. blame media and brought dr. drew on. with a medical degree. they were hyping hydroxychloroquine. to a potential treatment. they bring on dr. oz. he does that. and now they're pushing for reopening the country and suggesting maybe that it wasn't prudent to shut down the country they are bringing on d. phil. dli delivering a message like that. it's dangerous when fox elevates voices during regular news cycles. when they are doing it during a pandemic that adds a whole dangerous element. >> always dangerous. always politics and agenda. i don't get in the tit for tat

game with anchors, why. frankly the bosses don't like it. they want us to stick to the news. and also it's not good for the audience. they don't give a damn if i'm in a spat. i want to play this clip. i have known her and i respect her intelligence. a smart lady making a dumb argument on purpose. look what fauci had to do. >> we don't have a vaccine for sars. they got close in mice. woe don't have a vaccine for hiv. and life did go on. right? >> this is different. hiv aids is entirely different. we don't have a vaccine for hiv. we have treatment. sars disappeared. and we didn't need to develop a vaccine. it's a little bit misleading maybe to compare what we're going through now.

with hiv or sars. they're different. >> all right. side note, white house shouldn't be fauci in the situation. they put him on state tv. the white house decides where these guys go on from the task force. they put him on there. and defending this kind of b.s. on the air. she knows the answers. we know them. you did 15 minutes of home work. she's intentionally representing something she wants to be true. that's the reality of what they're doing there. what am i missing? >> you're not mising negative. fauci was actually quite generous answering that question. it doesn't take an infectious disease expert to know hiv and coronavirus are totally separate things. you can't get hiv just going on the regular run to the grocery store. you can get coronavirus very easily. it's contagious. it doesn't take an expert to know this. someone on fox news again

talking to millions of viewers every night should do her home work. it's a basic fact. it's embarrassing that she didn't know this. or that she's asking questions like that while knowing that it's not related. i don't know what's goeng on over there. i don't know why if you look at tweets today she's comparing living under the stay at home order to saddam hussein in iraq. >> i wonder why. who has been saying that he's against the stay at home orders all of a sudden? the great healer is steling people to liberate states from stay at home orders and throwing the second amendment there for red meat. it's just so painfully obvious. i hope it's worth it to them. it's destructive. >> i want to know is where is fox -- we hear this noise about

fox news taking a virus seriously and put out a bunch of public service announcements featuring anchors. where are the executives when an anchor is again saying or suggesting that staying at home is equal to living under hue sane. and asking when we're going to liberate states? where are they? >> quiet. apparently. oliver, thank you for being loud and proud about this. we have to expose it. everything is different now in the pandemic age. everything should be reassessed. all the e agenda should be bare and the media should be reappraised as well. thank you. be well. >> thank you. >> all right. i keep bringing us back to the military. why? uniquely vulnerable. they play on one of the things that drives me crazy in the society. we all say we love our troops. we keep hanging them out to dry.

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we support the troops, right? they deserve the best of everything. how come they never get it. deaths among va patients jumped five fold since the start of this month. unemployment higher than we have seen in years for veterans. the toll on veterans not getting a will the of attention. let's change that. you know who has been tracking this in realtime and encouraging people it open their mouths about it. iraq war vet. amazing pod cast called the angry american. welcome back to "prime time." he says if you ain't angry, it's because you're not paying attention. this issue falls right in that category. brother, best to you the wife and kids. that you stay held the. we need you. what's the reality of what's happening with the veterans? >> good to see you. glad to see you're on the mend.

wishing you the best and you and your brother continue to drive leadership and inspire the country. thank you for that. bottom line is the va the department of vet aa fairs was not ready. they said they were ready and put out a public statement and they're not ready. saying there's enough ppe for front line workers and they're saying there's not. workers in brooklyn and atlanta are protesting. the front line workers are lying or the secretary of veterans affairs was lying. and the "wall street journal" revealed internal memos he saw said that they didn't have enough. they haven't had enough they haven't been ready. five times in the increase in the veterans who died. they only tested 50,000 people. your brother in new york tested more than that in two days. they're not ready and they're not transparency. the country should be angry about that. >> weeks ago you were saying on

twitter where's willky? concerns about this. they turned down money for the va. they said they have enough. first of all who turns down money. he hasn't been out in front and now we're seeing why. vulnerability goes on. 13 million veterans above 55 years old and many have under lying complications and makes them vulnerable. >> more than half of the 9 million veterans served by va are over 65. one state run home in massachusetts has 56 dead. 56 dead. in one veterans home in one city. now breaking out in 16 other states around the country. secretary can't even be bothered to do daily press briefings. he's been invisible and hasn't been driving support to the local level. he probably won't come on with you. you have been using the hash tag. it's not about him not doing

media. he's not leading. he needs to lead strongly and be transparent. why have they only tested 50,000 people in the veterans department? they are not disclosing how many va hospital employees are dead. the department of defense can tell you how many died on one aircraft carrier. but the va can't say how many died across the national system. >> can't or won't. becomes the question. what will give us the answer is pressure. the kind that pj celebrated veteran who serves the country just like over seas. thank you for sounding the alarm. we will respond to the call. >> get well soon. >> thank you. remember, who we're talking about here. the americans. another example helping veterans in need. wounded warriors project.

so many of o you. god love you want to help. you want to step up. donate to the wounded warrior project. they are helping families who have trouble buying foo and paying rent. there are many. they are committing $10 million to the project. reaching out and those who need it can apply for $1,000 grants. if you want to help, there's a place you can help. wounded warriors. nearly 800 cases of covid-19. now among workers in the pork factor in south dakota. we spoke to the mayor. this crisis also reaches into the fields. why? density of labor. they don't have insurance or help. a lot aren't legal. what does it mean for them? and your food. fers hand view next. (laughter)

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open. that's how we show who we are. and there's another way to be open, to pull together - or push, depending on the door. and we are making it work and we will continue to make it work together. because open we stand. so while most americans are staying inside, or should be, right, if they're not out protesting like fools. more than 2 million farm workers are, still, out in the fields. the orchards, the packing plants. why? because we need food, right? they're essential workers. how about this combination? a lot of people working in tight confines, with no access to healthcare or inadequate access. and inadequate protective resources. what kind of combination you

think that is? greg asbott is the co-founder of -- jaergeraldo rayez is alsot of that group. so, what's the concern? >> well, it's a town of 25,000, 30,000, farm workers, who are right in the cross hairs of this virus. now, it hasn't set a foothold yet but it's coming. we now have 20 plus cases in town and that's just the tip of the iceberg because the testing has been so inadequate. but what we're afraid of is that the conditions are ideal for the spread of this virus. they -- you know, people live in overcrowded housing with 10 to 12 people in a single-wide trailer. they go to work in vans or buses where they cramp 50 people in a van or 50 people in a bus.

they work in sometime unsanitary conditions. and they line up taking a shower in the same cramped bathroom in the same tiny kitchen. those conditions, you know, we have been watching your story, chris, and we know how much you try not to have your family be infected with the virus. and you have all the conditions in the world that could help make that not happen. now, imagine being in a trailer with 15 other guys. where you sleep four people, and you sleep head to foot, beds arranged on the floor, next to each other. it's impossible that when one person gets that virus, the rest don't immediately get the same thing. and that's what we're afraid of. >> my wife had the mask. she had the gloves. she did everything she could, and she still got sick. it's another reason i'm still in the basement. she's upstairs, sick, and nobody's happy mom got sick and everybody blames me. geraldo, let me ask you something. what do you think the awareness is of this situation, at the

state-government level in florida? >> well, i think that they know -- they know that there is a problem, but they have chosen to look the other way. and that is precisely why, you know, we send the letter to the governor asking him to -- to take steps towards creation of a field hospital. we're asking for that because, in our community, you know, as greg was mentioning, the problem is not just the -- the lack of distancing. we cannot do something like that. we need to be able to treat people. and we don't even have a hospital in town. we have a little clinic. the closest hospital is about 40 minutes away. and we need -- >> has the state responded? >> no. you know, there's been a lot of people joining in, asking the governor, supporting this letter that we sent. more than 200 different

organizations have asked the same thing. more than 30,000 people are asking him to use his leadership. and start at work responding to this right away because we don't have time to waste. you know, we can see how this is, already, happening in other places in the country. in regards to the supply chain. >> sure. in south dakota, we were talking to the mayor. you got people packed in tight. tight living conditions. the job requires proximity. because they are maximizing space all the time. right? and then you get it. let me ask you something, greg. please, i hope you can shoot this down. the idea that why wouldn't the state government respond to something that's a powder keg like this? do you believe there is an aspect of politics of documented and undocumented at play here? >> well, we know the virus doesn't discriminate. we know that the virus will -- yeah, i mean, that's -- that's -- if there is some sort of -- i don't care if it's

politics about people's status or politics about people's party. whatever it might be, it's just not the right time to be playing politics. it makes no sense. we're talking about life and death. we're talking about a delay, so far, in weeks since we've been asking the state to pay attention to this powder keg. that the cost will be measured in human lives, and it doesn't -- there is absolutely no way that anybody sitting in tallahassee can think certain human lives are worth less than others. that can't be. i refuse to believe that. >> well, i agree with you. that we're supposed to be better than that. but we have been shaking our heads at this suggestion for a while now. whether it's separating families, how people are treated at the border. you know, how they're described by our president. so we've seen a lot of examples of how what's supposed to be done, hasn't been done. hopefully, this won't be yet

another. greg, geraldo, thank you for ringing the bell. you have an open line to me. you let me know how this progresses. let me know what you do and don't hear from the state. we will follow up, as well. >> we'll do that. >> thank you, chris. >> take care of yourself and your family. >> thank you. thank you. >> if i can just -- >> go ahead. >> -- if i can just say one -- one more point. you know, we produce 90% of the tomatoes that are produced nationwide. if we don't act right now -- it is not the only thing we produce. we produce everything. if we don't do something right now,wear goi n now, we're going to see how a food crisis is going to unfold on top of the pandemic, and we don't need that right now. we need to act. so that's -- that's the point i wanted to make. >> you are right. it shouldn't come down to selfish motives. it should be about humanity. but if humanity's not enough, think about your own belly. if these people get sick and

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