wondering how that squares with the sober and methodical guidance you issued yesterday. >> we do have a sober guidance but i think some things are too tough. some of the states you're mentioning it's too tough. not only relative to this but what they've done in virginia with the second amendment is a horrible thing. he's a governor under a cloud to start off with, so when you see what he said about the second amendment, what you see what other states have done, i feel very comfortable. >> reporter: president defending what he said. we should note that the states the president called out on twit remember all of course all blue state, battleground states for the election in november. didn't single out republican governors working, or ohio led by republican even though also had protests in that state as well. >> i mean this is -- says he's a

war time president, fighting a war against invisible enemy, and he's telling people to defy the guidelines that he himself has set out, liberate their states from democratic governors, i mean -- where do things stand with states reopening? governors and president not on the same page certainly in terms of testing, and no sign of further embrace of testing by this president. >> reporter: we've been wondering all week if the president has been hearing concerns about testing. tonight we saw at least his officials were, came out to lay out where they were with testing. he believes there are some states that need to meet the criteria to start phase one and some states have the testing levels that they believe will lead to start the reopening phase. didn't say which states they were, didn't want to encourage that, leaving up to the governors.

we didn't really get a clear picture of what they are going to do to ramp up testing. dr. fauci said testing is not only criteria, we know that, dr. sanjay gupta lass has been talking about that hours on end, saying contact tracing is just as important. but a lot of governors are saying they're not there yet, need federal assistance to ramp up testing and president didn't seem to be saying he's going to step in and step up with that assistance, it's still up to the states in his mind. >> not assisting on that or contact tracing. joining us now is president obama's top adviser in charge of the ebola outbreak, currently co-host of the podcast "epidemic" and adviser of the biden campaign, assistant secretary for homeland security. ron, after the president unveiled his president's reopening suggestions, you tweeted, quote, this isn't a plan, it is barely a power point.

talk to me about your major concerns. did you hear anything tonight that changes your view? for all the talk about testing from the podium today, i don't know that any governors in any states have any belief there's money coming their way to hire out for contact tracing or hire out for testing. >> look, the president can encourage crowds and rile people up, but if states are going to reopen without testing, they're doing it blind. don't know who has the virus, who doesn't, how widely it's spread, how many people are going to get sick, how many are going to die. it's not just money, tests, lot of the key parts come from overseas, testing machines are complicated. tests sounds like pencil and paper. it's not. test kit, swabs, reagent chemicals, processing machine, the machines have many parts and a lot of that comes from overseas. governors are saying washington, d.c., you need to work out how to get this from overseas into

our states. it's more than money. it's the leadership and the organization of the federal government and without the testing we don't know what we're opening up into. >> i understand it's complex but on the swab thing, how is it possible that this country cannot manufacture some frigging swabs in enough quantity to not have us ever talk about swabs again. i do not understand, these are swabs, what is the complexity of this. >> they are special swabs, flexible, not a q-tip from the corner drugstore, put it out there. >> right but -- i don't know how many, it's not made of silk spun by a glowworm. >> it's not nuclear physics. i know. there is an answer to this

question that we could stop discussing it. president of the united states has the authority to order the immediate manufacture of them. the president likes to talk about his absolute authority over things he has no authority over. but this is something he does have the authority over. he could give the order, order the manufacture of these things and you and i would never have to talk about it again. >> juliette, what do you make of where we're at? >> today was odd. fauci was saying we're not going to have enough kits. the number of kits that we need or testing kits that we need, you have to take them every day or every other day, they're continuous until you get a vaccine. i thought he was steering us towards a different way of thinking about what coming outside means. which is a level of vulnerability and therefore deaths more than would be if we were a country that could get

its act together. we're going to focus on treatment and there is good news there, and social distancing is going to be part of our life whether we want it to be or not. going to make personal decisions when and how to go out. employers, responsible ones, are going to ensure their employees are safe, will be rules around that. and public sector, when you open up schools. schools are tier b in the white house plan, not in the first wave. i think that's what we're looking at with more deaths than any other country in the world because we cannot get our act together. it's disconcerting and means we're going to go inside -- be forced inside more often than not, economically it's more destabilizing than if we just spent money getting testing kits together. that's how i left the meeting today. >> i don't want to ask about the

tweets, tired of that, focused enough on that. what does it look like to you for a company -- if you're ceo of a company of any size right now, what do you need in order to get your employees back and have them be safe and have some comfort -- i assume it's companies large enough can afford to do it will try to test their own employees on regular basis. if an employee suddenly develops a cough, that person will be tested, and with a very quick test, so they can know whether they have it or not. and temperature checks will be taken when people come in, that seems like basics, you know. >> it's part of it, go back to what juliette said, which i agree with. part of it is changing how we work, reconfiguring offices so we're not elbow to elbow. open spaces in work plans.

reconfiguring restaurants and shops with fewer tables, waitresses wearing gloves and masks, face masks. will put more pressure on the supply chain to produce this personal protective equipment. we're going to send people back into the workplace with a risk, consumers out with a risk. and responsible ones will do their best to reduce it. but president is saying we're going forward without knowing what we're sending people into. >> and think -- sorry. >> go ahead. >> i think what that means then, those of us who have the options, whether with work or on personal behavior will be exceptionally risk averse. if you ask me now will i go out to a drink as i start to open up, honest answer is no. won't take that risk, i have three kids. i think that's what's going to

happen, self-social distancing because the risk is out there. this is going to harm people who don't have the choices that the three of us do. >> right. my next point. this is basically -- we all know about the inequality that exists in society in best of times. this is now enforcing and exacerbating those very inequalities. people who cannot afford to stay at home or work remotely are going to be exposing themselves to this virus. >> that's exactly right. and this is the damning part of the strategy by the white house by leaving it to states that they know cannot do this. i often say, crisis hits a country as it is, not as we want it to be. every division in our society, race, economic, health care accessibility will be exacerbated in the short-term,

one hopes we learn our lessons and change. but for the next 18 to 24 months, until we get a vaccine. this is going to expose the inequalities of this country, as well as for many of us be a sort of type of adaptive recovery. every day will be different because -- >> and ron we're already seeing that. god bless grocery store employees and delivery people, whether food or fedex or packages, ups, i mean, it is people who do not have -- have to put food on the table and go out and expose themselves for their own family and to basically keep all of us connected, and you know, running. >> yeah. i think to build on that, two kinds of divisions will be exacerbated here. first, talk about economy being

shut down right now, it's not shut down. millions of americans are at work so some of us can stay and work from home. delivering packages, creating electricity and internet and those things, so those people are already at risk. second thing is division between red and blue states. beaches at jacksonville being open. different behaviors and choices by governors not based on different circumstances but different political philosophies, going to divide this country even further, worse than it's divided already. >> wow. there's a lot ahead. appreciate you talking about it. coming up next, reopening the beaches in one florida city and social distancing nightmare that followed. wynton marsalis on losing another jazz legend, his dad, ellis. what does an apron have to do with insurance? an apron is protection.

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president's briefing top of the program. now want to look at how goals he set to reopen the country are playing out in one city. jacksonville, florida, beaches reopened. what happened next? >> reporter: it was a mad dash here for the ocean. once police gave the all-clear, all the people lined up flooded the area. biking, running, swimming, surfing. fishing some of them. lot of people brought their dogs. as if they had been cooped up for years. that's how they were behaving when it had been about a month, first closed this beach march 20th. this is what the mayor of jacksonville is saying, these are essential activities, all the recreational activities on the beach are essential and well in line with the florida governor's executive order. he says it's okay. limiting hours 5:00 to 8:00 p.m.

just closed. and from 6:00 to 11:00 in the morning. hours in between beach will be shut down. asked people what it was like to be back on the beach and asked them if they saw any social distancing. from what we could see, wasn't a lot of that going on. take a look. how does it feel to be back on the beach? >> yoo-hoo, fabulous, we live on it, torturous to look at it and not be out. >> what have you been doing instead? >> reading, sewing masks, eating, gaining weight. >> sadly, wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't last very long, but i'm just hoping people are smart about it. and just try to stay as far

apart as they can, not ruin it for the rest of us. >> reporter: how does it feel to have the beach open? >> great. we live just over there, waiting for this day to happen. now i just hope they don't stay open, so many standing around close together. i don't know if good thing or bad thing but can't be worse than golf course or grocery store. >> the mayor did ask that people still do their social distancing here on the beach, trying to to keep six feet away from each other at least but certainly we weren't seeing a whole lot of that. people with coolers on beach towels, sunbathing, didn't feel like there was hint we were in middle of the pandemic on the jacksonville beach. there were very few masks and only once did an officer go over to ask them to leave because not encouraged you congregate. >> at least did it later in the

day, not prime sun hours. other people might come out for that reason. we'll see how that develops. so many young people on the beach calls attention to a mystery scientists are unable to unlock. why the coronavirus leaves some young people with mild symptoms at worse and then others with a life or death struggle. dr. sanjay gupta spoke to medical experts of surviving spouses of young healthy individuals who died. this is what he found. >> these were some of the first heartbreaking images we saw of the coronavirus in the united states, outbreak at life care center in kirkland, washington, a nursing home. at the time it made sense. earlier studies had shown the disease was more severe and deadly among people who were older and had underlying conditions. yet all along we kept hearing stories of young, healthy people becoming extremely sick like 30-year-old ben.

>> he came into our bead recall where i was laying and i said i got to go, i got to take myself to the hospital. i said are you sure, he said yes, i need to. >> 39-year-old conrad. >> he was starting to decline, didn't have horrible cough whole time, 22nd i brought him to the hospital. >> young couples, husbands and wives, all infected, and yet, with these case, the wives stayed relatively healthy, while their husbands became suddenly critically ill and died. >> they wouldn't let me in the hospital as he was begging i need my wife, my wife makes my decisions, they told me to park the car, i thought i was able to go in with him. go up to the doors, hospital on lockdown, wouldn't let anybody in. that was it. never got to say i love you. >> two days after ben was released from hospital, he was back home in bed. >> could hear him breathing.

i fell asleep. >> by the time brandi woke up, ben had passed away. why does covid-19 hit some people like conrad and ben so hard while many others have mild or no symptoms at all. it's a question that dr. anthony fauci posed to me on my podcast. >> i'm fascinated by the pathogenesis. get so many people who do well and some people bingo, on respirator, dead. there's something there we're missing from pathogenesis standpoint. i don't think it's only elderly or underlying conditions, something else hopefully we'll figure out. >> still don't know the answer but over last few weeks talking to multiple scientists and frontline workers trying to better understand what's happening here. older and vulnerable people,

could be the virus itself overwhelmed their immune system. for younger people it could be their immune system was too strong, reacted too violently, resulting in storm of inflammation. >> cytokines are usually used to control infection but in this way, it is uncontrolled level of cytokines that ultimately damages tissues in lung and blood vessels. >> or maybe the amount of virus itself. >> for reasons we don't understand, frontline health care workers are at great risk for illness despite younger age, maybe the higher dose they're receiving. >> a number of researchers brought up the idea that the answer could in be in our genes, that maybe there is another risk factor besides just being older or having underlying disease. >> studies show those more likely to have is severe

infections are older or have chronic medical conditions but unclear what counts as chronic medical condition. some things are very clear, but some things are not. >> there's no discrimination when it comes to this virus and seeing what my husband had to go through was horrible and now our life has turned into this horrible nightmare. >> so awful. back with us now, dr. sanjay gupta, joining us, dr. richard levitan who traveled to new york to work. to volunteer at bellview hospital for ten days. thanks for your service. what made you want to travel to new york city to help? >> thank you for having me. i grew up in new york, trained at bellevue hospital, friends and family, lot of people i love and care about are there. and serious addiction to papaya king hot dogs, good piece of pizza. >> i live near a papaya king.

>> there you go. >> i think it's closed. >> they were open, some of the day. >> i got to stop by, hot dogs and papaya juice like $1.99 or something, can't beat it. sanjay you have questions as well. that report was so extraordinary. what some families have been through. sorry. i thought i was only one who couldn't hear. sanjay, we can't hear you going to try to fix that. doctor when you started treating covid-19 patients, what was different from other respiratory distress? >> as emergency physician, most of the people i intubate are literally dying in front of me having trouble breathing, unconscious because lungs not working and carbon dioxide is

building up and they've passed out or they're shot in the chest or not getting enough oxygen. what was amazing about covid-19 patients were these were people with horrific looking x-rays, terrible pneumonia on x-ray and oxygen saturation at numbers that seemed noncompatible with life. a pills ox, a pulse ox of 50% for instance but they were on their cell phones as we are were connecting them to monitors. brain was working fine but disconnect between how ugly the x-rays looked and how terrible the oxygen was, it was like nothing i've ever seen. unusual to have patients who are talking to you with that kind of chest x-ray, those kinds of numbers, and on a cell phone nonetheless. >> sanjay, i think you're back.

>> yeah, i think i'm back. i was reading statistics that patients who went on the ventilators, likelihood of them being able to come off the ventilator was 20%, 30%, really tough to get these patients off the ventilators. i wonder if it makes you think there's something besides just a respiratory problem going on and how did that affect whatever treatments you may have given to the patients? >> i'm sorry, still got me there? >> yeah, we got you. >> can hear you, yeah. >> so what i was going to say, trying to come up with a statistic of who survives ventilators is very difficult. the number of people who die on ventilators who are young is extremely small. unfortunately in elderly, nursing home patients, death rate is very, very high. there is no one number to that question.

>> did it make you pursue other treatments or strategies besides putting patients on ventilators? >> absolutely. as i headed down to new york from new hampshire, it was eerie, driving down the merritt down the interstate and there was nobody on the road. had a long talk with my friend nick caputo, works in south bronx, emergency and critical care doc, preparing me for what was coming, and explained this phenomenon, x-rays looking awful. pulse ox numbers. what he and others around new york, large group of people in emergency medicine began to do this, including ruben strayer in brooklyn, nick caputo, and a bunch of people in queens, realized if they put people on oxygen, nasal cannulsa, c-pap

masks and turned them on their stomachs on oxygen pulse ox would go up dramatically. and began to question whether or not we should be intubating as many patients as we had initially. over course of time at bellevue i saw that change. intubation rates went down for the alternative therapies. >> that's fascinating. sanjay you had heard other doctors talk about that. dr. levitan, thanks for coming to new york and helping save the city and for what you do in normal times. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. just want to mention the real heroes are on the front lines in new york city. i came for ten days. but thank you for having me. >> going to have a papaya dog in your honor.

>> thank you. up next, lab report from other struggling area of the in the country.

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lack of testing and medical equipment we've been talking about this week have hit poorer communities particularly hard, native americans no exception. navaho nation, through three states in american southwest is a prime example that already suffers from chronic poverty and unemployment, and on a per capita basis, the coronavirus infection rate ranks behind only new york and new jersey, 40 deaths so far and our gary tuchman discovered, it doesn't have the facilities really to match the crisis there. >> reporter: look at the nurse in yellow being suited up,

protective mask she's wearing is a welder's mask. personal protective equipment is at such a premium this hospital has bought 60 masks from a welding company. this one of the many challenges for the galup, new mexico, indian medical center, adjacent to the remote splendor of navajo nation. an infectious disease expert takes me inside the intensive care unit. >> transformed a regular icu into a covid unit. done things weer in thought were proper, like iv poles in the doorway where people might trip over them. best way for the nurse to manage the medications without putting on ppe. >> reporter: in that room a very sick woman on ventilator for about a week. nearby? >> roll it down.

squeeze it in. >> both of them? >> yeah. just be careful with the one with the thing missing. will squirt you in the face. >> reporter: woman appears to be in even more dire shape about to get a fresh frozen plasma transfusion. >> to prevent the bleeding problems at this time, so it is part of the resuscitation. that's a very critically ill person right now. >> there was a patient in there. >> we'll go ahead. >> reporter: this is the largest icu of the four hospitals in the navaho area, smaller than you would think. >> six rooms, all full. when people come in, have to go into intensive care, have to be flown 130 miles to albuquerque. it's upsetting for members of the navaho nation to leave and go to albuquerque but unfortunately a necessity. >> reporter: it also happens with people with covid-19 already in the icu need special

surgery or procedures that are not able to be done in such a rural area. >> live between four sacred mountains and prefer to stay in their homeland. >> many of the staff speak navaho, comfortable for them to be with us in navaho nation. >> reporter: when members feel they might have covid-19, they're initially seen outside the hospital in tents set up. >> any muscle aches? >> yeah. >> reporter: then. this is where suspected patients are brought, emergency room. >> patients are evaluated here and then they might go to a coronavirus ward where there is some good news today. >> going to get test x-ray and labs and likely be able to get her out of here. >> super, outstanding. thank you. >> reporter: navaho nation, 175,000 people who live here, has more cases of covid-19 than nine entire states.

more deaths than 13 states. and according to the chief medical officer of the navaho area indian health service -- >> i don't believe we've hit our peak yet. >> reporter: believed to be enough ventilators but ppe shortage is concerning. >> try to tell them to be strong, use ppe and try to get rest to stay healthy. >> but it weighs on you. >> it does. >> reporter: before we leave the hospital, decision is made, woman in this room needs critical care she can only get in a bigger city. she's brought out on a stretcher and will be taken by ambulance to a plane for a flight to a bigger city hospital where doctors will try to save her life. >> gary joins us now from window rock, arizona, capital of navaho nation. do we know how the woman in your piece is doing?

>> i'm sorry, anderson, i don't know that answer. hospital has a policy it doesn't release conditions but i do know we're thinking about her and her family, feel like we know her, in icu for much of the afternoon watching amazing work of these doctors and nurses. >> it's extraordinary. what are the leaders of the nav co nation trying to do to protect the community? >> leaders from the capital have issued orders very stringent. notable is a curfew, that begins and for hours until monday morning, and everybody who lives here has to stay in home. can't go outside for exercise, to gas stations or stores unless there is an absolute emergency or you're emergency worker. if you go outside and police see, will give you citation, doing it this weekend, next and maybe more in the future. did it last weekend for first time. talked to gentleman who lives

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given the current situation we are all affected by what is going on in america today. i was asking myself like what could i do? i feel proud that along with my colleagues i have been called upon to do what we can to help in this situation. i feel like i'm doing it for all the families in america. we're not going anywhere. we're here. this is bigger than all of us. but together we can get through this. ♪

we continue to look at health care workers making a difference in this pandemic. want you to meet a special couple, jim mullen, a registered nurse travelled to new york city to volunteer at emergency room, left job as lawyer to return to nursing. wife is emergency room doctor, physician and medical director of two medical facilities in dallas. they both join me now. thank you both for what you're doing. jim you've been in new york two weeks, this is your day off, sorry you're spending part of it with us here but i appreciate you doing this. i guess there's not much else to do in new york city i should say, since i live her here as well. why did you decide to come help out? you're living in texas. >> we had a stay-at-home order in place for a couple of days or a week. gave me the opportunity to see the news and see people like you telling us all what was going on. because i had background as er nurse and not putting it to use, felt obligated to help.

so that was really the reason. >> that's amazing. we're showing a picture of you on the plane, clearly, you had a choice of seats there, and obviously people were not flying. dr. mullen, you were already treating coronavirus patients as er doctor in dallas, wondering your reaction to your husband saying i'm going to new york. >> it was surprising, but you know, jim felt it in his heart, to go and help out his nurse colleagues and the patients of new york. he had this duty to serve in his heart. it was kind of hard not to support that. >> jim, i heard what was the first thing you do first shift when you got here? >> when i got here, at a hospital in queens now but first hospital was in the bronx, within five minutes asked to do a body run. what i was doing was collecting

all of the people who had expired and bringing them to the refrigerated trucks out in the back. it was an interesting experience to be sure. >> yeah. sobering first job to have to do. i know you post updates on your social media account and you said one of the biggest problems initially was just the pace of patients coming in and needing treatment. was that anything like anything you had seen before when you were working as a nurse? >> yeah, no. first six or seven shifts i've had have been unlike anything i've ever seen or could have possibly imagined. i worked at one of the largest trauma centers in atlanta when i got my start, which was very busy. four or five critical patients while you were there, i had 11 or 12 critical patients on vents, in diabetic ketoacidosis, on critical drips you have to be with at all times. my job was run to patient to patient to try to keep them

alive. for 12 straight hours. it's unlike anything that i've ever seen or imagined. luckily, it has started to trend downwards over the last three or four shifts, but that's not an invitation to go outside right now. i think people need to take the orders seriously and stay at home so we can hopefully continue this downward trend. >> yes, i mean i noticed, a couple of day, the last couple of days, i ride my bike to and from work, and you know, you start to see more people in the streets and it is a very strange feeling and uncomfortable feeling. dr. mullen, what has the last couple of weeks been like for you? you're working, seeing, dealing with this, in your hospitals, you also have a 2-year-old daughter, who as we should point out is incredibly adorable. and how has juggling all this been? >> so right now, we are predicted to be about ten days from our peak, so at boulevard

hospital, where we're just getting prepared to take on a higher load of patients. currently, we're actually seeing a decreased amount of patients but the ones who are coming in are sick and infected with coronavirus, but i think the people are taking the shelter in place seriously and we're not seeing a lot of nonemergent cases in the emergency department. >> dr. sanjay gupta has been saying in the southern states there has been much more effective social distancing than they had perhaps modeled. the bad news is in places like new york, we're in this sort of the high point for a longer period of time. dr. mullen, i appreciate so much what you're doing and jim mullen as well, thank you so much for coming to this city, and i know there are so many folks, with the place you're staying, who have come here and travelled here, and it is extraordinary the work so many people are doing so thank you both.

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winton, i am so sorry for your loss. your father was just -- i mean, obviously such an extraordinary musician. an educator to so many people. what -- he played every -- am i right that he played, like, every friday night, two sets, at snug harbor for, like, three decades? >> for a very long time, yeah. >> wow. >> he was a -- he was a -- he was a local legend and fantastic teacher and person. very sweet-hearted person. >> did he -- did he want you to be a musician? i mean, was that -- in the family, growing up, was that -- >> not really. he wanted me to do whatever i wanted to do. when i graduated from high school, i had a lot of scholarships, just academically, and everyone around was saying don't go into music because you're going to struggle like your father has done. and i asked him what should i do? he said, man, don't have nothing to fall back on. so he believed in the music, and he was a -- he was more about the kind of spiritual and the

emotional, community aspect of the music, and not about whether you can buy things. >> so he said -- he said don't have anything to fall back on. >> don't have anything to fall back on. >> wow. i mean, that's extraordinary advice. >> i was 17. when i left home, it was kind of contentious. i had all my stuff in a box. he said, is that all your stuff in there? i said yeah. he said what is in there? i said three jeans and something else. he said you okay? i said yeah i'm okay. i had kind of attitude with him. he said are you okay? i said yeah i'm okay. he said, remember, man, you can go down through what's in this box and you be okay. >> wow. >> and it stayed with me. >> that is a great lesson. it's a -- it's a -- as you know, most parents would say, look, sure, it's great you love doing music. but why don't you get an accounting degree, first? you know. >> and this is a man who struggled in music to make a living. so i saw him and grew up with him struggling. and when i had the opportunity to play with art blake or stay

in school, i said should i play with art blake or stay in school? i was attending juilliard, which is the greatest conservatory in the world. he said the education gonna be there. you need to go play with boo. >> wow. that is incredible. your dad grew up in a time, you know, in a -- in a very different time and place. how did that -- i mean, not just affect -- i mean, arc of his life. but the -- the music. did it -- did it have an impact on the music? >> of course. he grew up in a time of segregation. and so did we, as a matter of fact. i was born in '61. so it was during the civil rights, we were basically seg e segregated, grew up in segregation. the music has consciousness. that's why it's not well known. he was purely about music, and he loved humanity, and he had a very broad vision of the world. we were joking about the

coronavirus two or three days before he went in because i would always tease him. so it wasn't like i was joking like it was a joke. but i said, man, you got to watch out. you in that age where you got more problems. he said, man, everybody is struggling with this. so your loved one being hurt is no different than anybody else. >> wow. he just sounds like a remarkable guy. i'm going to remember that about the box. that's such a -- that's an important message. strong, strong man. yeah. i wish we had more time. but i appreciate you talking about him. it's really -- thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> great to talk about him. thank you. >> yeah, take care. hearts go out to you and your family. winton's also going to join tomorrow night's special report about coronavirus in black and brown communities. the color of covid, don lemon, van jones going to host the conversation. it's tomorrow night, 10:00 p.m. eastern. news continues right now. want to turn things over to chris for cuomo primetime.

chris, how you doing? >> anderson, what a week in our collective history. it has been a privilege to watch you carrying the load. i wish you the best for the weekend. get some rest. and stay safe. we need ya. >> all right. you, too, chris. >> have a good weekend, brother. >> you, too. >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. tonight, the president said he wants to heal the country. one minute. the next minute, he's calling for people to liberate their states. you tell me how that's an innocent request. and the minute after that, he's cheering on protestors. many of whom are wearing and waving trump stuff, while defying social-distancing guidelines. and, again, after saying he wants to heal us, he lashes out at the governors who are following his own directives. and saying they're doing the wrong thing. and we, now, know -- remember this -- the president is fully

aware of the -- -- he is fully aware the federal government isn't ready and the states aren't ready. so ask yourself, why does he keep pushing to reopen soon, when he knows it can't be done safely? my answer, because he's not a healer. he's not a helper. you've got to be honest with yourself about this. he is the person who pushes his own advantage. it's good to want to reopen. to hell with the fact of whether or not you can -- that's the situation he's pushing. but that's okay. we know on whom we can count. on another. together, as ever, as one. let's get after it. >> i'm not going to pretend that

things are open questions whether they're not. you know why the president is pushing protests and saying to liberate states right after he said he wants to heal, because he doesn't want to heal. he wants to sell the message that he wants to reopen because he thinks that sounds good to e the base. good. that's good. he wants to get us open so this isn't his problem. he's not why we're suffering, and it's not true and it's not fair. minnesota, michigan, virginia. they've all been following the national guidelines to keep americans safe. national means they come from the president. and by -- guess what? good for the president. good for the guidelines. they're flattening the curve. yet, the president, again, the man behind the guidelines, is now amplifying the prize of protestors out in tight group, without masks, you know, flouting the social distancing, saying it's a hoax. using the word hoax. saying coronavirus is just like the cold. complete bs. and the president is using