♪ the push to restart the economy even as coronavirus cases climb. >> this is not going to be a simple up and down curve. this is going to be almost like a roller coaster that may go on for a year or two. plus the president and the consistency question. >> when somebody is the president of the united states, the authority is total. and that's the way it's got to

be. as protests mount -- never mind that promise to support the governors. >> i think elements of what they've done is too much. it's just too much. ♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. thank you for sharing your sunday. we're at a crossroads moment in the coronavirus pandemic even as the numbers continue their deadly climb. new york is the epicenter here in the united states and the governor there suggests it is finally heading down the case curve. >> if you look at the past three days, you could argue that we are past the plateau and we're starting to descend which would be very good news. again, it's only three days, but that's what the numbers would start to suggest. >> out of isolation and back to work are more and more part of

the global conversation. some shops in italy back in business and there are modest steps in the united states. one test saturday, you see the picture there, jacksonville, florida. the beaches reopened, not everyone following guidelines to keep a safe distance. it's a critical and dangerous moment, critical because of the economic pain to countries and people is palpable. dangerous because we know many of those with no choice but to work during this pandemic are getting sick. for example, coronavirus outbreaks now in no fewer than ten meat processing plants in six of the united states. north dakota is now a new example. its cases spiking because of workers at a wind turbine plant tested positive. the white house explains its reopening plan. >> the predominant and driving element that we put into this was the safety and the health of the american public. >> the president, though, is in

much more of a hurry after promising to support governors to make calls. many are complaining too much about testing shortages. as protests against stay-at-home orders spread, the president is encouraging them in a series of tweets using the word "liberate." >> some of them are being unreasonable, i really believe that. they're being unreasonable. i just think that some of the governors have gotten carried away. >> katelyn collins is live at the white house. it has been fascinating to watch the back-and-forth over who is in charge, who calls the shots and the president is just angry that things are not going to go as fast as he would like. >> reporter: and he doesn't like the criticism of the phases that he rolled out and a lot of the president's criticism is focused on these governors instead many who have not followed suit on those phases right away. they say they still need to increase testing before they can go there and now we're seeing

this clash play out between the president and governors. is that going to come to a head over the next few weeks as the white house is hoping a lot of the states will get into these phases that they presented for reopening the economy as a lot of the governors are saying they're not there on testing. the president said it's mostly democratic governors who have been complaining but we know several republicans have voiced concerns if they're at the level of testing that they need so far. that includes ohio's governor and maryland's republican governor who have said they need federal assistance as they're moving forward with this. the number one clash the president has had is with the governor of new york who has said they need federal assistance if new york is going to be able to fully reopen and the president has been down playing those concerns. he's not hearing them from governors. he's hearing them from senators and business executives who the president was on a call with last week. the question is what's going to happen going forward.

because the questions they're having over testing comes as the president and also feuding with these governors who he's telling them that he believes their measures are too restrictive even though he says they should be the ones calling the shots on when their states are reopening. >> one of the president bristles at is the suggestion he imposed the restrictions from china, but he spent the end of january and most of february not doing enough, not ramping up the testing, not having more serious conversations about mitigation. he bristles at the suggestions, as in his own words were it's not going to be a pandemic. the u.s. sent millions of face masks to china earlier this year ignores signs. that is another piece of evidence that at that point in time, the administration did not think they were going to need that ppe here. >> the fact that this is with the encouragement of the federal government as "the washington post" reports really does show

how they were not taking this seriously in january and february and did not see these shortages in masks and personal protective equipment that we have seen play out in hospitals where you've seen these videos of nurses and doctors talking about the need for this equipment to go into work. this equipment just to protect them as they're doing their jobs and now "the washington post" is reporting this and the white house has the trade adviser saying they believed a lot of this was for humanitarian reasons. but they were not seeing just the level of threat this was going to be in january and in february. >> katelyn collins live for us at the white house. the protests we talked about earlier, they spread to texas. you see them right there. those demonstrators see as too timid the plan announced friday. it reopens state parks this weeks, but requires those who go into the parks use face coverings. many businesses can reopen on friday but only for curbside pickup and the governor closed schools for the rest of the academic year.

>> some businesses have fully opened without better distancing standards would be more likely to set us back rather than to propel us forward. a more strategic approach is required to ensure that we don't reopen only to have to shut down once again. >> houston is the largest city in texas. the fourth largest city in the united states. its case count, you can see the numbers here, continues to climb, but the trend line suggests perhaps a peak or plateau is at hand. the houston mayor joins us now. thank you for your time on this sunday morning. >> good morning. >> your governor has a pretty cautious approach, one that you are in line with. when you look at your numbers, and i know you're looking at them every day, several times a day, you appear to be maybe peaking, maybe plateauing. are you ready to reopen in houston or do you need more time? >> we're not ready to open. i agree with the governor it needs to be a measured approach and you do it in stages and you

don't want to open in such a way that a few weeks or months down the road you find yourself spiking and losing lives because we opened too soon. the key to reopening will be testing and if you look at where we are at this state, we haven't tested that many people. about 180,000 in a state of 27 million. that's the key. if we get the testing right, if the testing is widespread all throughout our city, for example, and then we do contact tracing, then we can start to reopen in stages. it will have to be in stages. >> you're trying to get testing for anybody who wants it but you have supply issues. you mentioned the size of your state. texas is tested just shy of 180,000 people, but that's 608 tests for 100,000. north carolina, 727 tests per hundred thousand. tennessee, 1278 per hundred

thousand. text is texasitexas is testing. are you getting help? >> we should all be on the same team. we have federal, state and local partners. we have two fema public testing sites in the city of houston. on saturday, for example, we can test 500 persons per site at about 2:30, 3:00, we had tested our maximum capacity and those sites were scheduled to be up until about 7:00 p.m. so we need a greater capability. we need to be able to scale up, more capacity and on monday, tuesday of this week, we may be running out of supplies and may have to scale back. we do need more supplies. we do need more ppes and all of the things that are associated with testing, if we do more testing, then we can determine

and see where this virus is. let me say this, i've gone through major hurricanes since i've been mayor, you can look at the radar and you can see where the storm is, when it's going to hit and when it has left your city. with this virus, it's a different challenge. the way you see it is through testing. that's how you know where the virus is. and to what degree it's in your community. and the absence of robust, widespread testing, no one knows where it is. now, our numbers are pretty good. the medical professionals, people at the texas medical center, they're telling me that we are starting to flatten out. we didn't add any deaths to our count on yesterday. we're the fourth largest city. we have 32 people in the city of houston who have died as a result of covid-19. that's pretty good. but it's because we started early, we started shutting down things early. people have been very responsive. you don't have to have people and businesses sacrifice so much

and you open too soon and you're having to repeat this all over again. you don't just flip on the light and everything is back to normal. that's not the case. we have to be very careful and testing becomes the key to opening up our cities and opening up our states much in a way that's very smart, prudent and conducive with the facts, the science, the medical advice, and then we can move forward. >> mr. mayor, i love your ski. i wish you the best of luck in the days ahead. you have a fabulous, fascinating medical center there. so you have all the tools, the question is, can you get the resources you need to put it to work. we will stay in touch. >> absolutely. >> greatly appreciate it. up next, the white house concedes early missteps in coronavirus testing. most governors and health officials say they still don't

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with the community driven promise. the white house concedes some early missteps in coronavirus testing, but the president says all is now well. >> the governors are responsible for testing and i hope they're going to be able to use this tremendous amount of available capacity that we have. >> and the nation's top experts suggest some governors and public health experts are putting too much emphasis on testing. >> testing is a part, an important part, of a multifaceted way that we are

going to control and ultimately end this outbreak. so please don't anyone interpret that i'm down phasing testing. but we've been hearing that testing is everything, and it isn't. >> perhaps not everything, but a new harvard study suggests that the united states needs to triple testing before it can safe safely reopen. dr. ashish jha is part of that study. also joining us is dr. megan ranney. thank you for coming back on this sunday. it's helpful to have facts and expertise. dr. ashish jha i want to start with you. you look at the current level of u.s. testing, your study says if we want to start sending americans back to work, we need to triple, not scale up, triple, testing. explain why you believe that is so critical. >> good morning, john. thanks for having us back on. we've been trying to assess, how much testing do we need to bring

americans safely back into the workplace and have some chance of staying open. the goal is not, can we open? the goal is can we stay open? and our analysis -- most of the critiques i'm getting is you're being too consecutive. we need more tests than that. i think it's possible we're undershooting. but it's hard for me to see how we open and stay open if we're not testing about 500,000 americans or more every single day given the burden of the disease and the size of the country and on a per capita basis, that's what germany is doing. it's not some crazy number that a country can't achieve. >> i can't do the math, doctor, and i'm not an expert, but here's how i look at it, we want to send people back to work. but to the doctor's point about how many tests you need, look who is going to work, grocery store workers are getting sick,

you see the meat processing companies across the country. the people who are working in close quarters are getting sick. and so if you're going to start to send more people back in, logic would tell you, you at least need testing, temperature screenings, what else? >> absolutely. so i agree with dr. fauci that testing is not everything. here in rhode island, we have one of the highest testing rates in the country and yet our infections are still climbing. but you do need testing in order to identify those mild or early infections. we know that transmission happens when you're in the very early stages of disease or maybe before you have symptoms. first you need testing. then you need contact tracing. if someone is sick, you need to be able to find everyone that was within that radius from them and keep those people in isolation. and then we need treatments and we need to protect our health care workers and other essential

workers, grocery store workers, pharmacists, postal workers, the people who get us the mail. we need to protect all of those people in addition to having the widespread testing. testing is part one. without that we can't identify those early infections and we're not going to be able to stop the spread of this disease. >> we're all learning, as we go through this, and we're now months into and we're still learning and we still have a lot of questions, what about antibody testing, what about this? but this jumped out at me and we've seen -- this is from a cnn.com piece about a homeless shelter boston. when officials were prompted to do more testing, the results caught them off guard. of the 146 people who tested positive, all of them were considered asymptomatic. doctor, you see this in the

prison systems as well, they're testing people -- i was looking at a story out of ohio, they tested a much of people, positive. how blind are we still to what is out there? >> yeah, asymptomatic spread has an upside and a downside. downside is obvious. a lot of people are spreading the disease without knowing it. we're really blind to answering your question and this is why my colleagues say your 500,000 number is too low. if we're going to go out and get a lot of those asymptomatic people, we need to do 10x higher. if a lot of americans have gotten the infection, that means there's a chance that a lot of americans are already immune. that's where the immunity testing will help us. so there is that upside. but right now if we want to safely get people back to work, we have to identify those asymptomatic patients. it can be very, very hard to get people back to work safely if we can't. >> i just want to put a map up. states are going to do this in a

staggered approach. but you see if you go through the charts there, the states that have by may 1st or earlier, governors can make this decision. other states after may 1st. some have no stay-at-home orders at all. doctor, your cases are still going up in your state. as governors go through this, and they're getting pressure from the united states of america, if we don't have the scale of testing we need, we're not sure about how big the asymptomatic community is, what other question do you have if you were a governor, you would say make sure you ask and answer this before you do anything? >> so the first biggest thing is to make sure that transmission hasn't just plateaued, but it's decreasing, right? if it's plateauing, there are a lot of cases out there and there are other cases that are going to show up in two weeks. after that, you need testing. you need to make sure your health care workers are protected and you have adequate facilities so that if cases spike again, you're ready,

you're not stuck in a situation that new york has been in for the last couple of weeks and you need to have a public health system that works well together, that talks to its doctors and essential workers and has people believing in it. listen, the science of stopping epidemics like this is not rocket science. these are the same techniques that we've been using since the early 1900s to stop diseases. it requires investment and coordination. if i were the governor, which i'm not, those would be the types of things i would be thinking about. >> doctor meg, thank you for shg your time with me. i hope you'll keep coming back. many governors are charting a regional approach to reopening. they welcome the president's guidelines but not his tweets and mood swings. rhode island's governor discu discusses her balancing act next. yes yes, yes a thousand times yes!

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can your internet do that? closer look at the coronavirus case count in the united states and how it factors into the big debate over reopening. let's look at the numbers. more than 735,000 cases. we're approaching 40,000 deaths in the united states. the deeper the shading, the higher the case count in each of these states. if you look at cases by day, the united states, 32,000 cases yesterday. the question is, is this flattening, is it starting to go down? we'll learn more about that in the week ahead. as we look at the national map, a lot of governors are forming regional coalitions as they decide to reopen. oregon, washington and california saying we're going to make most of these decisions together as we reopen.

if you look at the stats, washington and oregon have flattened the curve. california appearing to be coming down. something to watch in the week ahead. seven midwestern states saying to the best we can, we're going to work together because people cross back and forth over borders. let's have a regional approach. how are we looking in the midwest? illinois, again, the roller coaster, you think you're starting to come down, you have a couple spikes, you have to think about this a little bit longer. michigan, coming down. minnesota has a flat line, way fewer cases down here as that governor responding to protests starts to do some reopening here. the northeast, new york, deciding to former a partnership with many of the states up here again to have a regional approach. new york is down, three days in a row in its case down. connecticut, two days down. new jersey, the president's guidelines say you want a trajectory of 14 days in a row down. watch these states in the week

ahead. and lastly, let's focus on rhode island here. low number of cases and then it's up. if you're a governor, this is what you don't want, a bit of a roller coaster. is that a flat line? are you plateauing? governors have to figure that out which is why they say from coast to coast, yes, we would love to reopen yesterday, but we need to be careful. >> for those who think we're out of the woods, those that think we can go back to the way things used to be, we still have a lot in front of us. >> we want people to get back to work. we want people to get back to their lives. the concern here is trying to balance. >> i have taken a fact-based, targeted approach to how we've done things. that's how we closed our economy and that's how we will reopen our economy. >> joining us now the governor of rhode island, gina raimondo. thank you for being with us on this day. look, this has to be a tough

decision, you want to reopen, get them out of the house, get more money into your state coffers, however, your state seems to be we're not quite sure yet. where are you and when you hear the president of the united states say the democratic governors stop complaining about testing, how does that factor into your decision about what you have to do? >> yeah, good morning, john, and thank you for having me. we have not yet reached our peak in rhode island. it's hard to know precisely where we are as with all of these models. there's some variation. i think we're a couple of weeks away from our peak and day over day, we're still seeing an increase. so, obviously, i can't reopen the economy until we start to see the line -- we're on the backside of that curve. i will say, rhode island has been very fortune. we forged a relationship with cvs and we're doing some of the most testing per capita of any state in the country.

we need to do more if we're going to reopen and i would just say the federal government has more to do. they sent, for example, in my sen state, they sent us 15 machines a week ago. we still have four, five machines sitting there doing nothing because we can't get the disposables. it's a fight to get the resources we need and the federal government's role needs to really step that up. everyone -- no one is more anxious than governors to get people back to work. we're in our states hearing from folks who are unemployed, living on the edge. we're living on the ground with these people and want nothing more than to get everyone back to work. having said that, if we don't do it safely, and in compliance with what the experts are telling us, we'll be right back in the soup and we can't afford that. i'm steaming ahead and working with my business community and

collaborating, but the testing has to improve here and in every state. >> and so it sounds like you're a couple weeks away from making a decision because you need that trajectory going down. help me understand the regional coalitions. i went to college in rhode island. it's special to me. you're on interstate 95. we have people coming north from new york and connecticut. dr. birx talked about this, you have your own unique problems, but your neighbors are impacting your numbers. let's listen. >> rhode island and providence are in a unique situation. first they had increasing cases from the new york city area and now they have new increase in cases from the boston area. they're caught between two incredible hot spots in the country. >> how close is this regional cooperation, meaning if you're not quite ready, will connecticut wait a couple days if it thinks it is?

will massachusetts wait a couple days? >> i don't know about that. it's a real partnership and i want to give a shout-out to all of my fellow governors in the region. we talk constantly and everyone is doing their best for the people of their state. i think of it more as coordinating the rules. it's not so much that we'll all go back on the same day, because we have to obviously look at what's going on in our states. but when we reopen manufacturing or retail or banking, we'll look to coordinate the rules so we're doing the same thing. for example, in rhode island and massachusetts, we share large employers. they have thousands of workers here and in massachusetts. it's going to be important that the governor and i provide similar guidance to these companies because they're all looking for guidance, uniform guidance, as they struggle through this with us.

>> your state also is hard hit economically. but rhode island is third in the percentage of the workforce filing unemployment claims. there was a program to help keep people on the payroll. that money has run out and the big fight now, the president says give me the $250 billion. democrats say we want to add aid to the states, hospital funding. should the democrats put those other issues aside for another day so that program can get more money or do you support them holding on and trying to get the president to blink? >> i think they all need to get in a room, virtually, quickly and pass something that provides both. our small businesses need relief today. right now. today. many of them are facing a situation where they worry that they won't be able to reopen. and so it's our obligation to get them the relief that they need. small businesses are the backbone of america's economy

and that's doubly true in my state. however, our hospitals are also struggling. you know, the white house and governors ask our hospitals to stop doing elective surgery for safety reasons. that's their main source of revenue. we have to be there for the hospitals to help them. the bottom line is, we need some measure of all of what you're talking about. it isn't time to play politics. it's not time to worry about optics. it's time to deliver outcomes for the american people. that's what they're expecting from their leaders right now. >> we'll see what happens in the days and hours ahead. governor, appreciate your time on this sunday. >> thanks, john. >> best of luck. thank you. up next, leadership trump style. one day he has total authority, the next the governors call the shots, until they don't do what he wants. and a somber moment here, masks and social distancing added to a solemn farewell at arlington national cemetery.

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saturday's white house briefing, more about airing grievances than fighting the coronavirus. the president is mad at china and the media. >> we're not number one, china is number one. just so you understand. china is number one by a lot. it's not even close. they're way ahead of us in terms of death. it's not even close. you know it. i know it. they know it. but you don't want to report it. why? you'll have to explain that. some day i'll explain it. >> news organizations including cnn repeatedly question china's numbers. the president is also mad at governors and public health experts because they keep saying they need more federal help with testing. >> they don't want to use all of the capacity that we've created. we have tremendous capacity. dr. birx will be explaining that. the democrat governors know that. they're the ones that are co

complaining. >> part of the president's anger is he bristles at accountability. he's being told testing is inadequate and we're 198 days from the election. his approval rating is slipping and look at this from gallop, economic confidence is collapsing. presidential historian douglas brinkly joining us now. my job is to follow the day to day, the minute to minute, the every case count. you're trained to keep your head up at a higher look. what are we seeing in an american president right now at this time of national and international crisis? >> we see donald trump ill prepared to be the leader of this wartime effort. yesterday "the washington post" talked about he just reached the 18,000 falsehood mark, meaning lying that many times to the american people. when you watch one of these briefings, you don't know what

to believe. he's in high scapegoat mode. yesterday, it was john kerry's fault and barack obama, the world health organization who is trying to do work in africa and latin america, money is going to be cut and the democratic governors are no good. and people are trying to take your guns away from you in virginia. he was all over the map. that wasn't leadership that i witnessed. what i saw was a president who is in re-election mode and the way he does that is to divide the country and he right now when we should be trying to heal the country, there's an article bill clinton wrote today for the 25th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing where 168 people died, and in it bill clinton talks about an oklahoma standard which is unite after a crisis, kindness, honor, love, decency and trump is doing the opposite of the oklahoma standard.

he's scapegoating to try to help his re-election bid. >> i remember that sad day very well. you see how presidents to react to this one. one of the points you're making about unity, we have this remarkable moment where we can show you the protests around the country, protest is a cherished american right. however, when your state says you're supposed to be social distancing or wearing a facial covering, these protests -- they're a right but also a violation in some of these states of the law, and i want -- two of the governors here. this is virginia and washington state. they're at open war with the president of the united states whose tweets were encouraging these protests. >> i along with this staff is fighting a biological war. i do not have time to involve myself in twitter wars. >> this is just grossly irresponsible and it is dangerously bombastic because it inspires people to do dangerous

things. >> there's magic to the american republic, 50 states in a national government. at this moment, we're seeing kind of tension in the american republic also. >> well, we definitely are. things are starting to come unglued and the president seems unhinged. it is a crisis. but we do have to turn to our governors right now. i was thinking -- i was watching on cnn donald trump yesterday, what a waste of time. he was trying to run a political rally and start dividing people of michigan against each other and all of that and, yeah, i would rather than hear from gavin newsom and what's going on in california or mike dewine in colorado. history is going to show this was the great moment of governors taking real responsibility and finding ways to heal their state and open their states. i'm afraid that the president were serious, he would have created a pandemic production

board like fdr did, a way to streamline this. the whole story is getting test, test, test and nobody knows where the tests are. they've been promised. then they're not there. and so a lot of mixed messaging, gaslighting going on from this president. it adds up to donald trump doesn't have coronavirus and he's roaring to beat joe biden and he's going back to his playbook of finding ways to divide the nation. >> very much appreciate your perspective on this sunday. let's keep in touch as we watch how this plays out. a long way to go. thanks very much. up next, joe biden wins giant endorsements and wrestles with how to campaign from home. and a quick look at coronavirus by the numbers. 1.7 billion small business loans. a 95% drop in air travel at l.a.x. 800 million verizon voice calls a day on average. that's more than double a normal

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joe biden welcomed several giant endorsements this past week, and the coronavirus pandemic now plays a big part in the democratic argument for change at the white house. >> this crisis has reminded us that government matters. it's reminded us that good government matters. >> in this moment of crisis, it is more important than ever that the next president restores americans' faith in good, effective government. >> we need you in the white house. not in a million years would we have believed that we would be talking to each other in our respective homes, that we could not, you know, do rallies, that we could not get out of the house. >> it is the earliest democrats have closed the books on primary rivalries since 2004.

unity helps, but president trump has both a giant fundraising edge and a giant media platform, one biden tries to answer from a home studio in delaware. but does it matter, when all he can do is critique trump from his basement? >> it drives me crazy with the president and his two-hour press conferences. there should be a unified message from all of our leaders. part of the power of the presidency, is the pulpit, the bully pulpit he has, the power to set an example. the friends and co-workers who died, family, friends, neighbors are dying while trump is having a temper tantrum. >> let's discuss, jen psaki worked on the obama/biden campaigns, jonathan martin, national political correspondent for "the new york times." jonathan, there is a debate in the democratic party, should joe biden be more aggressive, is it time for him to get out of the house and be more aggressive? what's the lesson we learned

from 2016 about sitting around waiting for donald trump to self-destruct? this is the time to throw caution to the wind. anita dunn, now working for the biden campaign, says the idea of him breaking through seems to be one of the more idiotic ideas going around in washington right now. what joe biden is doing is you put out your best ideas, your best proposals, you model presidential leadership. what is the answer and how deep is this debate? >> i don't think the campaign is going to be won or lost in april by the challenger. the lesson of what's happened in the last few weeks is this is going to be, more than any recent campaign for the presidency, a referendum on the incumbent. this isn't just me saying this, democrats and republicans alike are saying the same. i'm skeptical that biden's daily media penetration is going to

really shape november. i think what's going to shape this fall is the basic question of, did president trump bring the country through the worst of this and are we looking toward a brighter day or was president trump perceived as failing in his core task of protecting the american people. that to me is the essence of this election, no whether joe biden is getting 37 minutes of cable time every day in april. >> the incumbent is always the issue, and more than ever when the i ncumbent is in the middle of a crisis. jen, this is all playing out digitally. if you look digitally right now, that is a place where the president has a giant advantage over the vice president. donald trump has 77.5 million twitter followers, joe biden 5 million. donald trump has spent a lot more time in the digital space than the former vice president.

however, president obama, trump's trump, forgive the pun, in social media. is this a place where president obama, bernie sanders, even elizabeth warren, have more experience, have done more business online, can they help the biden campaign? >> i think they certainly can. this was a great couple of weeks for joe biden, no question about it. but we learned an important lesson in 2016 too, which is that the power of an endorsement and the power of someone like barack obama or elizabeth warren or bernie sanders trying to move their supporters to support another candidate doesn't win an election, right? you can't transfer supporters. and that's something i hope and i think that the biden team is very mindful of. to your point on the digital front, this was always going to be one of joe biden's weaknesses. he didn't win by being a digital magician, didn't win the primary by being a digital magician. he's had, as you mentioned, more than ten times fewer twitter

sport supporters, facebook supporters than donald trump, that's an advantage of incumbency, because trump has been mining these supporters for months, he knows exactly who his persuadable audience is, the obama voters, the right wing voters who were unlikely voters last time, he's trying to get them out and he wants to do it digitally. it's not just barack obama's face, elizabeth warren's face, bernie sanders, it's also the creativity of their teams. they are behind on this front and need to pick it up on the digital side. >> joe biden has his vice presidential search under way, and most of the potential female candidates say, sure. >> if he asked you, would you say yes? >> yes. >> i am fortunate to have my name considered along with an

incredible group of female leaders across this country and i'm confident no matter who he chooses, we're going to have a strong ticket. >> senator harris, if he asks, would you say yes? >> i mean, obviously i would be honored to serve with joe. but i'm just telling you that my focus right now is really on what we are dealing with right now. >> stacey abrams has also said, hey, look at me. joe biden will take time to decide who it will be but from a strategic standpoint, do you wait? your convention is likely in august now, if you get to have it, it will likely be a virtual convention. is this a way to generate excitement? jonathan? >> i think you wait. john, when you're the challenger to a sitting president, you've got three key moments. you have your pick for vp, you have your convention, and you have your fall debates. it's not clear that you're going to have two of those three. if you're joe biden, you want to keep the one we know you're going to have, which is your vp

pick, you want to maximize the time. i think he waits until the public health crisis is not as severe as it is right now. he's got a larger media window. john, on this digital question with biden, look, i think if he was a little-known challenger for governor of a state or senator, that's a big problem. but john, he's a former two-term vice president. he's got 100% name i.d. in this country, basically. i guess i'm skeptical that that footprint matters as much, when you come to the race with everybody knowing who you are. >> one of the questions we need to answer as we head into this uncharted period. jen psaki, jonathan martin, appreciate both of you on this sunday. that's it for "inside politics." catch us weekdays as well at 11:00. coming up, thanks for sharing

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