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they built 2500 beds at javitz. they're operating a phenomenal accomplishment. close to a thousand people have gone through. luckily we didn't need the 2500 beds but all the projections said we did need it. and more, by the way. so these were extraordinary efforts and acts of mobilization and the federal government stepped up and was a great marker. i'm the first to say it. we needed help and they were there. state and local governments were fantastic. the hospital system was fantastic. new yorkers are fantastic. that's an undeniable fact. look at what they said was going to happen. they had a line up here and the actual line is down here.
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what do you owe the variance to? heroic efforts on behalf of people as facilitated by government. that was phase one. now we have to go to phase two. big challenge going forward is testing. it will not be done perfectly. we can't bring it up to scale in in period of time. i will tell you that. we can do better working together than working apart. that's the federal/state partnership. i will do my part as a governor. the other governors will do their part. the federal government is involved in testing. we have to work together and do the best we can. we will. i have faith we will because we have in the past. >> the govern signed an executive order to allow funeral directors who retired or from out of state to be able to be licensed immediately in new york to help with some of the backlog. on the weddings yesterday the executive ordered that we did allowed clerks to perform the
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weddings remotely and today the governor signing a new executive order to allow anybody who is licensed to be able to perform weddings to be able to do it so it won't be limited to clerks. on the website, it'll be updated by 2:00 today. the covid website tracker. >> i'm sorry alavailable for on services and special vows i do. did you know that? >> i would have assumed it. >> we'll take one more question. >> reporter: did you speak with the president about this and has there been anything getting more for the diagnostic testing? >> woe have been talking about.
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i haven't had the conversation with the president in the past day but we've had conversations about it and the president is right. he's right. he's right. states have to do what they have to step up on testing and the federal government has to step up on testing. the federal government is involved in testing and they did a whole presentation at the president's briefing on testing and what they're doing on testing and what they're doing to helping the supply chain, et. cetera. that's great. between the states working with the federal government, we'll do the best job we can. >> other countries are asking for help. am i right on testing. governs must be able to step up and get the job done and we'll be with you all the way. >> with you all the way. great. states must do their part and
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the federal government must do its part. perfect. that's called partnership. i agree. >> reporter: to follow up on the testing, i know initially there was rationing of diagnostic testing. what will it look like for the anti-body testing? who will get those and who will be able to get the anti-body testing -- >> the anti-body testing we're doing this week is a random sample. so it's not like testing where somebody can ask to be tested. it has to be a random sample. that's conducted throughout the state. thousands of people get tested. so we know this percentage of the population had the anti-bodies. that is not a test where a person can say i want to be tested and go to a test. it has to be done on a random sample basis. in terms of the anti-body
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testing being added to the diagnostic testing, we have an anti-body test that the state can perform. we can do about 2,000 tests per day for the state. that's about 14,000 per week. it sounds like a big number. it's not that big a number in the total context of state. also, when you talk about testing, to give it a relative proportionately, we have tested in in state more than any other state. we have tested more than any country has tested on per capita basis. nobody is better testing than we are. with all the testing we've done since it started, 500,000 tests. wow. that's a lot. not really. it's ban month and we did
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500,000. at that rate, it goes on for three months. we would have tested 1.5 million. we have 9 million people in the work force. so we have to increase that rate. that's why the praip at the federal government to get the reagencies, et. cetera, is so important and that the federal government provides the states with resources to do this. you have the president saying 15 times, it's up to the governors. it's up to the governors. it's up to the governors. then pass a piece of legislation that gives you know what to states? zero. zilch. nada. whatever language you want to say it. nothing. how are the states supposed to do this? you know what happens? i'll tell you exactly what
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happens. the state now has about $15 billion deficit. somewhere between $10 and $15 billion deficit. i don't have any funding to do what i normally do. i normally fund schools. you'll see a 50% cut in education. you'll see a cut to hospitals in the midst of this. i give local governments aid. they pay the police officers. they pay the firefighters. they pay the bus drivers. public transit. those are the essential functions that are now working. how can you not fund that? we want to fund small business. great. fund whatever you want. how do you not fund the state government that you know is in charge of reopening this entire nation. right. we have to be smart. i want to thank michael
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dowelling and north well for all the beautiful work they've done. thank you very much. >> all right. andrew cuomo there. hello everyone. the special 1:00 p.m. hour of "news room." and catch gps tonight at 11:00 p.m. so you've been watching the governor there, andrew cuomo, give an update on the number of coronavirus cases in his state. that number of hospitalizations going down but he said 507 new yorkers joined yesterday. all right. there's a little bit for everyone there. we've heard from the govern. yes, he said, you know, hospitalzations are down and the number of deaths in new york are down, he said really this is just halftime.
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and he says don't jeopardize the progress. he said more needs to be known and learned. and he's pleading for the federal government to step in and help more. he said this week there will be anti-body testing as well as diagnostic testing. halftime. do you agree with him that more has to be learned before there's any reopening to any normalcy? >> there was two key pieces that need to rehappen. one is on the level of public health readiness in terms of public health system, we need to be able to do the contact tracing and testing, so we know what is happening where so we can respond. that's where the anti-body testing governor cuomo described comes in. where has the virus been and where might it be going in in
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terms of health care system readiness, we can't have another situation where hospitals are overwhelmed because that will mean an increased rate of death from this and so we need to make sure that when we reopen, we have the adequate staffing and supplies and capability to deal with -- we know there's going to be more transmission when we open. we need to be ready to deal with that. >> even deborah birx said it's unknown whether being infected with coronavirus and recovering will give you immunity from the virus in the future. so given that, that underscores what governor cuomo was saying is so much still needs to be learned. what would happen during diagnostic testing that the governor was talking about would be taking place soon, as well, in new york. >> caller: what we're hoping for is to be able to identify safely people who have had the virus,
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recovered, and can safefully kind of reenter the work force and minimize this kind of flaring up of the virus and the amount of people. so we need lots of diagnostic testing, as we stated. the ability to test more and more people as well as kind of working out this anti-body testing. so we can strategically start to open up. >> jason, the plea coming from the govern there more federal help and, also, making a very grim forecast that if not for some from federal government help, at least in new york, you could see the education system suffering from 50% cuts and then essential workers also being jeopardized in many ways. he was kind of weaving in between, you know, governor and also, you know, pop, as he called himself. trying to paint a picture while there's some glimmer of hope,
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you know, this is still very much a threatening situation. >> very much so. and he said the state has controlled the beast but has not killed the beast. he gave very encouraging numbers in terms of hospitalizations being down and intubations being down, as well. then again, reminded people that 1300 people have been hospitalized, you know, been covid-19 he talked about 507 people died yesterday from covid-19. in order to get to the second face, what he called the second face, he said it has got to be tied to the te -- testing. he outlined, in some ways about the anti-body testing that is going to be taking place in the
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state. he was saying in terms of the anti-body testing he said it's going to be some of the most aggressive testing we'll be seeing throughout the country. he said it's going to be a large survey of the population. what health officials here want to do is they want to get some sort of sense of how many people were infected by the virus and then self-resolve. in terms of going forward and in terms of federal help, the govern has made it clear not just in the briefing but in previous briefings it's going to have to be a partnership with the federal government and the reason for that is some of the chemicals needed for the particular testing -- that's why you need help from the federal government going forward. >> we have that sound bite for the governor. >> we have the approved test we'll be rolling it out to do the largest survey of any state
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population that has been done. to give us a baseline of how many people were infected by coronavirus and have the anti-bodies. we'll have the first real statistical number on exactly where we are as a population. we're trying to extrapolate from that. >> president trump was tweeting about the state's response. he was tweeting basically saying that he was right about the ventilators. he said he's right about the testing. and the states have to step up in order to get the job done.
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he said states have to step up more but made a point that the federal government has to do the same. the governor underscored it has to be random. how will that state or anyone go about doing these random tests? at what juncture would they be retreating these anti-bodies from various patients? or victims of covid. >> right. so the point here is really to assess where has the disease been and where might it be going? it's not making decisions on the individual level. you want to get a representative example of the entire population so that means you want to make sure you get different demographics, different sober different geography.
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i think it's important to understand that the anti-body tests are not created equal. and in new york we'll be using the state labs anti-body testing as well as those developed by academic medical centers. there's a bunch not fda approved coming from china that, unfortunately, have not been tested in any way and are being used by small businesses out there. from the data we're seeing with some of those, they're halted. how many times have you ordered something from china that looked great online and didn't perform. that's going to be throwing a wrench into the anti-body testing because i'm not sure that everybody understands these tests are not all there. >> thank you. i appreciate it. we'll be right back. want to brain better? unlike ordinary memory supplements neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration.
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from the white house to capitol hill leaders now say a deal on a small business loan package may be done as early as today. the proposed plan calls for an extra $310 billion into the paycheck protection plan for small businesses. fund from the initial $350 billion emergency coronavirus relief package ran out within weeks. here's treasury secretary steve mnuchin and house speaker nancy pelosi. >> i'm hopeful. i think we're close to a deal today and i'm hopeful we can get that done. >> i think we're very close to an agreement. >> we'll go to kristen holmes at the white house.
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why so much optimism? >> well, fred, small businesses hearing that are going to be optimistic. we know there's been such a hard time an they are loping for any kind of financial relief, but let's talk about what exactly was a hurdle here. we know democrats were asking for more money in terms of hospitals. they were looking for funding for hazard pay for the front line workers, and looking for state and local funding. let's put up what is actually going to be in the deal. now these are the preliminary numbers here. keep in mind this is still an negotiation but take a look. we have $310 billion for payment protection program. we have the $75 billion for hospitals, community health certainlies, $25 billion for coronavirus testing, and $60 billion for disaster loans under the separate economic injury disaster loan program. obviously what you don't see in there is that hazard pay or that state and local funding. however, both sides sounding
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very optimistic. take a listen to what the secretary of treasury said about a timeline on getting it done. >> i'm hopeful we can reach an agreement, that the senate can pass this tomorrow and that the house can take it up on tuesday. and wednesday we be back up and running. >> and i want to note one thing here because i've gotten a lot of questions about this. jake tapper asked when the checks were going out, when the paper checks were going out. he said they hadn't been sent out yet but they were hoping to do it in the near future. possibly next week. >> we heard from cuomo earlier and other state's governors saying we need federal money. this was the president yesterday on that notion. >> they don't want to use all the capacity that we've created. we have tremendous capacity. dr. birx will explain that. they know that. the governors know that. the democrat governors know that. their -- they're the ones that
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are complaining. >> and what is the white house achieving on that? >> we talked to state officials on both sides of the aisle. they said that testing is a huge issue. we heard governor cuomo said they need federal help. why? because some of these supplies are international. states cannot take control of the international supply chain. that's where the federal government needs to be stepping in. we heard some of the state labs and private labs do not have the capacity. they have room for more testing, however, the big problem being they don't have the supplies. now take a listen to governors today pushing back on the president's remarks. >> i think this is probably the number one problem in america and has been from the beginning of this crisis the lack of testing. the administration, i think, is trying to ramp up testing. they are doing some things with respect to private labs but to try to push this off to say that
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the governors have plenty of testing and they should just get to work on testing, somehow we aren't doing our job is false. >> we've been fighting for testing. it's not a straightforward test. we don't even have enough swabs, believe it or not. we're ramping it up before the national level to say we have what we need and to have guidance to the state levels. it's just irresponsible. we're not there yet. >> it would be nice if we had a national strategy that was working with the states so every state knew precisely what was coming in. at the end of the day, you know, we governors are doing the best we can what we've got. we could use stance to make sure that the supply chain issues are addressed and we can do the robust testing that every deepologist tells us is essential as we prepare to think about reengaging sectors of the economy. >> you heard it there. missing swabs, missing chemicals, the agents.
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i want to note that president trump said they'll be sending out 5.5 million swabs to states later this week. the important thing to remember is the governors are saying the same thing. they need the rapid mass testing in order to reopen the economy. this is something president trump wants. to see whether or not the sides can come together, if the federal government can step in, that's what we're watching for to see when the states will start the reopening of the economies. >> all right, kristen holmes, thank you so much. all right. still to come, for the navajo nation, a dire situation unfolding. how a six-room intensive care unit in new mexico could mean the difference between life and death. every financial plan needs a cfp® professional -- confident financial plans, calming financial plans, complete financial plans. they're all possible with a cfp® professional. find yours at letsmakeaplan.org.
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mexico's senior health official in charge of the country's coronavirus response said he's skeptical about how deadly the virus really is. in an interview with the "wall street journal," he said covid 19 may not be anymore deadly than an ordinary outbreak of the flu. cnn matt rivers is next city. so, matt, mexico hadn't had an outbreak on the scale of many other countries there. they're about 7500 confirmed cases and some critics of mexico's response said the president there has been skeptical about the dangers of the virus overall. >> yeah, i mean, that's been the overriding krcriticism of the lopez administration that the president himself has been skeptical of just how bad the
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situation actually is. and the number of cases reported, remember, fred, there's only been about 45,000 tests in total done in this country. there are 7500 cases. it's lower than other countries but the actual number of cases according to the deputy health minister is likely well above 60,000, at this point. getting back to the "wall street journal" interview with deputy health secretary lopez, he said he's not convinced the pandemic is any worse than an ordinary influenza outbreak. he was quoted as saying i don't know yet. the w.h.o. said it could be ten times of influenza, but i think we need to see more evidence. it's true most experts will tell you it's too early, simply put, to know how deadly this virus outbreak actually is in terms of the outbreak, a lot of people will tell you it's definitely more deadly than an ordinary influenza outbreak. whether he's right or not about the death rate, it goes to this overall criticism of the administration here of down playing this threat. that the health secretary
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himself told people, look, take it seriously. stay at home. when he says things like it might not be more deadly it leads to the mentality i've seen among so many mexicans i've spoken to here and people saying nothing bad is going to happen. it isn't that bad. while the health secretary said yeah take it seriously. at the same time he said it might not be any worse than the influenza, it leads to the mentality here you see so often, fred, of people not taking this viral threat as seriously as they should. >> all right. matt rivers in mexico city, thank you so much. all right. native american tribes say the federal government isn't doing enough to provide coronavirus relief for remote reservations like the navajo nation saying the pandemic stretched already limited resources to the brink. >> reporter: take a look at the nurse in the yellow being suited
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up. the protective mask she's wearing is a welders mask. personal protective equipment is in such a premium, that the hospital has bought 60 masks from a welding company. this one of the many challenges for the new mexico indian medical center. which sits adjacent to the remote splendor of america's navajo nation. >> this is the largest icu in navajo nation. >> an infectious disease expert takes me inside the intensive care unit. >> in a regular icu into a covid unit. we're doing things we never would have thought. >> it's the best way for the nurse to manage the medications without having to put on ppe every time the nurse goes in the room. >> reporter: in that room, a very sick woman who has been on a ventilator for about a week. in a nearby room -- >> roll it down.
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>> reporter: a woman who appears to be in even more dire shape. about to get a fresh/frozen plasma transfusion. >> it's to prevent bleeding problems at this time. it's part of a resuscitation. >> reporter: how seriously ill? >> it's critical. >> this is the largest icu of the four indian health service hospitals in the navajo area, it's much smaller than you would likely think. >> there are six rooms. right now they're all full. and what happens they have to go into the ensive care unit. >> it also happens with people with covid-19 in the icu need
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special surgery or procedures that aren't able to be done in the rural area. >> they live between four sacred mountains. in general, people prefer to stay in this area it's basically their homeland. >> when members feel they might have covid-19, they're initially seen outside this hospital in tents that have been set up. >> anybody ache? muscle aches? >> and then this is where suspected covid patients are first brought. the emergency room. >> reporter: patients are evaluated here and then they might go to a coronavirus ward with there is some good news today. >> navajo nation with about 175,000 people who live here has more cases of covid-19 than nine
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entire states. more deaths than 13 states. according to the chief medical officer of the navajo area indian health service -- >> i don't believe we have hit our peak yet. >> reporter: there are believed to be enough ventilators here but the ppe shortage is concerning. >> reporter: the woman in this room who needed the transfusion needs critical care she can only get in a bigger city. she's brought out on a stretcher and will be taken by ambulance to a plane for a flight to a bigger city hospital where doctors will try to save her life. >> up next. president trump attacks the house speaker nancy pelosi.
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he wrote "nervous nancy is an inherently dumb person. she wasted all of her time on the impeachment hoax." yesterday at the coronavirus task force briefing, president trump accused nancy pelosi of sitting in her white house while the ppp has run dry. the talks continuing on capitol hill and speaker pelosi accused the president of trying to shift blame wherever possible. take a listen. >> she thinks it's politics. i don't think it's good politics. nancy pelosi has been blocking it. schumer has been blocking it. i think they think think it's good politics. i don't think it's good politics. i don't care about the politics. it's so great for our country because we're going it have all of these companies that have been, you know, it's a bigger employer. let's say it's the same but essentially it's the same power for all the small businesses added together. it's about 50/ 50.
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it's so important. and they will be scattered if we weren't able to do what we're doing. and essentially we're giving the small businesses who won't make it. i can't because they're closed. we're giving them money to take care of it. when they open they can get back into business. it's a popular plan. even with democrats. i think it basically passed unanimously twice the first section, which is $350 billion. so we're trying to get $250. >> frankly, i don't pay that much attention to the president's tweets against me. as i've said, he's a poor leader. he's always trying to avoid responsibility and assign blame. >> and treasury secretary mnuchin that said both sides are getting close it a deal. so a little bit of reason for optimism there that would include $300 billion. a little bit more going into the paycheck protection program that ran out of money this week. it would include $75 billion for hospitals and another $25 billion for testing, and $60
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billion in additional emergency loans for a different program for small businesses. notedly, it doesn't include, at this moment, money for states and local governments. that's something nancy pelosi talked about as being necessary. it's something democrats held out for in the talks. one of the reasons why the president, as we heard, was going so hard after nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, the ppp is something the administration held up as a rare success story of their efforts to help from the economic fallout that we have seen from the coronavirus and even though it did have a rocky roll out, some technical difficulties, a lot of small businesses were able to get money from the first round of ppp have reported successful results and able to keep some workers on the payroll. >> all right, sara westwood, thank you so much. all right. straight ahead, a handful of states could reopen as early as
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biggest challenges that organizations and businesses face now is actually contextualizing what factors are going into the decision-making process to reopen in returning to normal operations. there are two things businesses need to think about. external and internal factors. things we've talked about on cnn a lot. ensuring that the community is healthy for the return. so the factors that go into that, which actually have a measured impact on businesses are, you know, proven therapeutics and anti-virals that are in place. antibody testing, something we're talking about a tremendous amount. health surveillance and monitoring. most importantly, the health of our hospitals and health systems. all of those go into the con tru struct of returning to a healthy environment. what are businesses doing in terms of policies and procedures pursuant to employees, making sure they are healthy upon
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return and a healthy workforce entering. also, what type of -- different types procedures that need to be done in the office place. bring back the entire workforce or a percentage of it? density a big issue. occupancy rates. those two factors are a balancing act, and that's the biggest challenge for all organizations to think about how to balance those two. >> and what about what should be in place in these work places to promote safety? or do there have to be new configurersations some of the companies have to put into place in order to ensure that everyone is safe? >> listen, it goes into -- going to be guidelines that come out from health officials, whether cdc or otherwise. most importantly for organizations right now, it's implementing reassurance measures to their employees, and to their customers, that when the time does come and is appropriate to return to normal
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operations, employees feel safe to return. focusing in on the consumer, you know, we want to know, what is it going to take for consumers to come in to the door? what type of measures do we have to put in place so they feel safe? unfortunately, just cdc guidelines are not going to -- outline those reassurance measure, because they'll be specific not only to an industry but to every single organization in and of itself. so there's going to be a little bit of trial and error here, but making sure you're using research to drive decision-making processes right now in terms of return to operations will be critical. we're also guiding, just because we're returning, you're allowed to return, there may not be, it may not be necessary to rush and be the first person or first organization in your industry to open. a measured response is really appropriate in this instance, because the health of employees and the health of consumers is
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today marks 25 years since the nation was devastated by the oklahoma city bombing, and this year the memorial service which is usually held at the bombing site to commemorate the tragedy is a video tribute streamed across the country deemed from coronavirus.
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168 people killed hundreds others injured in that domestic terror attack when a truck bomb was detonated at the alfred p. murrah federal building. 19 children killed in that blast. today former president bill clinton drew a parallel to the coronavirus crisis saying, "this act of unimaginable cruel tty broke our hearts but brought out the very best in america. the best way to honor those who perished in oklahoma city and those all across america lost in the current crisis is to embrace the oklahoma standard. service, honor and kindness. it worked wonders before. it will again." hello again, everyone. thank you so much for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield.
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questiwe begin? washington. a deal on a small business loan package may be done as early as today. the proposed plan calls for an extra $310 billion into the paycheck protection plan for small businesses. funds from the initial $350 billion emergency coronavirus relief package ran out within weeks. here's treasury secretary mnuchin and house speaker pelosi. >> hopeful, close to a deal today and hopeful we can get it done. >> i think we're very close to agreement. >> cnn's jeremy diamond joins us now from the white house. jeremy, how close is this deal to being finalized? >> reporter: well, if you listen to the secretary, mnuchin, house speaker nancy pelosi as well as senate moo noinority leader chu schumer, on the 10 yard line of getting the agreement. secretary mnuchin talked