and stay well, with free prescription delivery from cvs. thank you for joining us. our coverage continues now with anderson. >> and good evening. there is breaking news tonight. the governor of georgia, a state where more than 700 people died of coronavirus, announcing what he called a small step forward in reopening the state. in fact, it's anything but small. everything from gyms to barber shops, bowling alleys, tattoo parlors, nail salons will be allowed to open by as early as friday. next monday, theaters and restaurants. the governor also acknowledged his decision means cases of the virus will probably continue to go up, but that the state is a lot better prepared to handle it, he says. we'll be joined shortly by georgia mayor to get her take on what that could mean. we'll ask public health

professionals about speedy timetables, especially businesses involving close personal contact for people gathered in close quarters. we'll talk to one of the authors on the study on the level of testing needed to open the country safely. a heads up, the number according to the survey is a large one, much more than is currently taking place. it will mean a million more people getting tested in a single day than have been tested so far in the entire outbreak. only about 4 million people have been tested so far in this country. tonight, the president and his task force talked a lot about testing, about the, quote, tremendous capacity, end quote that states possess, but, quote, didn't understand they have, unquote. till they were told by the administration. the president also said, quote, we are in very good shape on testing. he said, quote, we are going to the outer limits on testing. and the president's own adds merle in charge of testing said, quote, there is excess capacity every day. another official talked about plans for producing millions

more swabs and other supplies for processing samples in the coming week, but not much talk from the virus task force about shortages that state governors in both parties say they are experiencing right now. a lot to get to tonight. house speaker nancy pelosi joins me shortly over the fight of the next instault of the federal installment relief, a fight being waged at this hour. nick watt joins us from los angeles. nick, talk about what we have been seeing today and what else is known about states like georgia announcing reopening plans. >> reporter: well, anderson, what we are seeing is the governors taking the president at his word. these governors are pushing ahead with their own unilateral plans on reopening. texas opened state parks today. tennessee, some businesses are going to open a week from today. louisiana, they're hoping sooner rather than later. kentucky, they say they haven't reached the benchmarks yet. illinois says it may treat different parts of the state differently. now, where ever we open, whenever we open, we will see an uptick in cases.

and as you mentioned, the governor of georgia acknowledges that, but he says he's confident they have the capacity and they will be able to keep on top of it. reopening this friday in georgia, gyms, bowling alleys, barber shops and some other businesses that can't do work from home. >> this measure will apply statewide and will be the operational standard in all jurisdictions. >> reporter: monday, restaurants will also reopen. kemp says all businesses that are reopening must screen employees for illness and practice social distancing. >> by taking this measured action, we will get georgians back to work safely. >> reporter: south carolina expected to open stores and beaches tuesday, which were open all weekend in jacksonville, florida, with social distancing rules flagrantly flouted. >> i think that decision was reckless. it shows you how undisciplined the leadership of this country

has been because we do not have a consistent message. >> reporter: and there are still hot spots. chicago, boston, philadelphia, one more pork plant just closed indefinitely in minnesota after an outbreak. nearly 10% of u.s. pork production is now shutdown. and cases continue cropping up at nursing homes. the cdc now mandating that residents and their families are informed about outbreaks, along with the cdc. >> and we are also paying for labs to go out to nursing homes to collect samples. >> reporter: meanwhile, our leaders struggle to balance the pain of the virus. >> i had the sense that i was drowning at certain points. i was unable to even stand. >> reporter: with the pain of the shutdown. >> you don't need protests to convince anyone in this country that we have to get back to work and we have to get the economy going and we have to get out of our homes. nobody. the question is going to become,

how, when, how fast? >> reporter: one influential model suggests just these four states can safely open first on may 4th. still, two weeks from today. >> a level that the state can comfortably move to a containment stage. >> reporter: that level is one new case per day per 1 million people. so, for example, new york state would need fewer than 20 cases per day. right now they're still seeing more than 5,000. all large events in the city -- concerts, parades -- were just canceled through june. the governor now wants a bump in pay for essential workers. >> when you were home with your doors locked, dealing with cabin fever, they were out there dealing with the coronavirus. i would say hazard pay, give them a 50% bonus. and i would do that now. >> reporter: apparently, at one

new case per million per day, a state will have the capacity to care for that patient and also trace and test their contacts. bottom line? >> unless we get the virus under control, the real recovery economically is not going to happen. >> what can you tell us about the possibility that more people in california may be infected than originally thought? >> reporter: anderson, this is a stunning study. it's just in its first phase. it hasn't been peer reviewed yet. but through some antibody testing, researchers here in l.a. county, they estimate that the actual case count in los angeles county might be 55 times higher than the confirmed case count we've been working with. on the benchmark day they took, there were nearly 8,000 confirmed cases in l.a. county. they reckon there could, in fact, have been around 440,000.

it is going to be fascinating as the antibody testing picks up, as we analyze the data over the next few months to really figure out what we have actually been through, and frankly, what we are still going through. anderson? >> nick, appreciate the reporting as always. nick watt in los angeles. joining us now by phone is shirley sessions, from georgia, governor camp in georgia reopening island beaches. what is your assessment of businesses, gyms, tattoo parlors, nail salons, massages, bowling alleys, massage businesses can open as early as friday and theaters and restaurants open next monday? >> obviously it was a very -- shock. i think that we had all hoped we would hear something to the effect that maybe the extension would go a little further. maybe into middle may. certainly not this quickly.

and i think while some people -- obviously i would love to have my hair done, but really, is it essential? and i think the bigger problem, the bigger issue is our community. is our community really ready? are the businesses really ready to take this on? i've done a lot of surveying just locally. in tyvee, we are a terrific community. it is a great concern when people hear the beaches are open, the restaurants are open, you know, business as usual is the concern to our resident that we're going to be having people from new york, new jersey, all the hot spots here on a very small three-mile island. we're really not ready. we don't have lifeguards in place. we have a very small staff that we haven't really stepped up for the season. and more importantly, you know, when people come in, what are they going to leave with, and

what are they going to leave us with? so it really is a very big concern for our community as far as safety. and, of course, we depend on tourism. we want our work force back in place, but we want it to be safe. we want our businesses to be safe, and we want our residents and our businesses to be safe. >> yeah. >> it's a big concern. >> how do you deal with this? the governor made it clear this applies across georgia, you know, local officials can't change it. how do you do this? are there enough, you know, things to take temperatures of people, thermometers that businesses would use to even take temperatures of employees or people coming into an establishment? >> yes, anderson. right now the city of tyvee, we have the capacity to test our

employees, but we do have that testing right now, although we are working from home. most of our nonessential staff. but the restaurant, this is what it's going to really boil down to unfortunately. it's going to be up to the restaurants and the consumers, the citizens to decide, are they ready? are the restaurants ready to, you know, ramp up their work force, to buy foods, to wonder if people are going to come? or are they going to be set back more financially if people don't come. and do they have the spacing that allows for 6 feet distancing? and also are consumers -- is the public really ready with a level of confidence to go out right now in such a short amount of time to prepare? so the bottom -- at the end of the day, it's going to be a test to the public to decide.

government cannot tell them what to do or what not to do. they're going to have to make the best decisions based on all of the good advice they've gotten from public safety, from health departments and cdc, and decide what's best for their families, for themselves and the businesses, what's best for their staff. >> yeah. >> and their customers. >> the governor admitted that the decisions will cause cases to, quote, probably, he said, go up, but he feels the state is better prepared than a month ago. obviously one always has to balance, you know, getting back to business and the harm that does to people in not getting back to business. but also, you know, when he says cases go up, that's the potential of people dying. >> it is very scary. we have a very small vulnerable population on tybee. a high-risk population. we have two nursing homes on tybee. we have a small beach. it's very congested when people

come because it's a very popular beach. and with people coming and going, it's -- you know, there is just not a lot of time for planning. and we had hoped that we could have a couple of weeks for our busine businesses, for our community to really plan for a true phase one. we know people want to get back to work. the city is looking at ways we can help our small businesses with cash flow, so we're aware of that, but we don't want to risk the safety of our community and of the country. so it is a shock and we are just going to have to understand what we can control and what, you know, not under our control. and we're accepting that and we're looking at ways that we can make a positive difference in our community. >> yeah, we wish you the best, mayor sessions. appreciate it. thank you very much. >> i appreciate it. thank you so much. >> more perspective from another georgia resident who practices

medicine there, cnn chief correspondent sanjay gupta. you heard the mayor say it doesn't meet the requirements. >> i'm sure there's been some tough calls, but this one is not a tough call. it doesn't meet the most basic guidelines. part of it is the numbers, anderson, which you've been talking about, we've all been talking about. we can look at the graph and see how the numbers continue to increase in the state of georgia. that's where we are on the curve. i think anyone can look at that. everyone's been paying attention to this. does that look like a state that should be reopening right now? it doesn't. it isn't. that's what the data and evidence shows. i just was exchanging messages with the mayor of atlanta as well who is quite shocked, i think, by the governor's decision here. if you look at the percentage change between the last couple

of days in terms of just deaths, it's 13.8% difference between, you know, two days ago and yesterday in terms of the numbers actually going up. so that's obviously a concern. >> more people are dying -- wait. the numbers are still going up? >> the numbers are still going up. you know, you're supposed to have a 14-day downward trajectory in terms of cases, a 14-day downward trajectory in terms of symptoms, people reporting symptoms. you look at the graphic, you look at the numbers, and the numbers are still going up, you know. they bounce around a bit, but there's clearly not been a 14-day downward trajectory. it doesn't meet the basic guidelines. also, it's one of these things, anderson. so people, should they be worried when they go out? are they going to go to a place where you obviously can't physically distance, like a nail salon or hair salon, massage parlor? those places, have they had

their ventilation checked? that's been a real concern. that's been a guideline for places of business to have this checked. have they gone through deep cleaning? has a person you're about to not physically distance yourself from been tested? how is this going to work? there is the pragmatic physical distancing part of it. then there is a psychological part of it. i didn't know if we have this restaurant graphic or not. i was going to show you this came from a study in china. we don't have it. i'll describe it to you. there's three tables at this restaurant in china. there was one person in the middle table that tested positive for the coronavirus. and what they found was that most of the people in those surrounding tables also subsequently tested positive and they had contracted it from this one person. it wasn't because of anything in the air conditioning duct system. it was just because of the proximity of people. this is a contagious virus. again, i don't relish the decisions these governors have to make, but he's way too early. he was way too late, shutting

down the state, too early opening it back up. he acknowledges people are going to get infected. that's true, whenever we open things back up people are going to get infected. those numbers are going to be much higher than absolutely necessary to be. >> sanjay, appreciate it. thanks, sanjay. coming up next, one of the authors of a study that says millions of people will need to be tested every day to safely get the economy running again. shortly house speaker nancy pelosi whom the president lashed out against will talk bs what it will take to reach a deal and when. these days, it's anything but business as usual.

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if there was a single thread running through tonight's coronavirus task force briefing when it comes to testing, state governors just don't understand how good they got it. that was pretty much the message we repeatedly heard from the president and others. you'll remember larry hogan, republican governor of maryland, told jake tapper it's not accurate to say there's plenty of testing out there and the governors should get it done. that's not being straightforward. the president was asked about it tonight. cnn's kaitlan collins did the asking. she joins us now. caitlan, what did he have to say about that? some governors are still not in sync on testing. >> reporter: no, and the president is going to try to dismiss this as it's democrats playing politics here. this is a republican governor in this case who said their number one problem has been and still is a lack of adequate testing. and the president said today on a call that the vice president had with governors that they provided them a list, anderson, of lacks in their state that they could be using for

coronavirus testing. i wanted to give you that context. listen to what the president said when i asked if there's enough testing in the united states, then why is maryland's republican governor going and buying half a million tests from south korea? >> take a look at that map. the governor of maryland could have called mike pence and saved a lot of money. look at these different places. and that's maryland right there. so could have saved a lot of money, but that's okay. >> did he need to go to south korea -- >> he didn't need to go to south korea. he needed to get a little knowledge would have been helpful. >> reporter: the admiral standing to the president's right is in charge of testing. he seemed surprised hogan bought these tests from south korea. hogan did respond to wolf blitzer telling him the list of sites the president and the white house provided him, some of those are not even accessible to them because they are federal entities. >> so they can't use those tests. the white house, according to hogan, the stuff they're showing on there is not applicable to

the governor. >> reporter: he was saying the list that they gave them basically saying there are these other labs in their state they could be using for these coronavirus testing. hogan said he's well aware of what's in the state. he's gone to them, they're not being helpful or they're inaccessible to him. he was pushing back on the argument from the president and he just overall saying they do not have enough testing and that's why he spent so many hours on the phone with the south korean government trying to get these tests from those labs overseas. >> right. it would not be the first time there is a misleading chart being shown from the white house podium by this task force. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. we mentioned at the top of the program a new study that could have saved -- georgia permitting close contact businesses to open friday. the central prescription is daunting given the current state of play. i'm quoting from the report. quote, we need to deliver 5 million tests per day by early june to deliver a safe social reopening.

this number will need to increase over time. ideally by late july to 20 million a day to fully remobilize the economy. just for perspective, about 150 now tests are currently being done per day. we're talking about 5 million to 20 million. joining us now, one of the authors of the new report, daniel allen, the director at the center for ethics at harvard university. thank you for joining us. you are among many advocating for the massive increase in testing saying this is what is's necessary. 5 million a day by june, 20 million a day in july. why do we need so many tests? >> sure, absolutely. the really critical thing is to ask the question, what are we using tests for. is the purpose of tests diagnosis or is the purpose of tests control of the disease? currently the administration is really targeting numbers that are about diagnosis. the administration is actually right. they have ramped up testing. we are getting to a place where

we have the numbers we need for diagnosing people who are in the hospital needing treatment and distinguish one respiratory infection from another. what we actually really need is enough tests to control the virus to keep this spread from increasing, to decelerate it overtime. the reason this matters so much because asymptomatic people are a huge percentage of the transmission of the disease. about 20 to 40% of people carry the virus, pass it on prior to having symptoms or without ever having any symptoms. and currently the cdc guidance is that there is no priority to tessa symptomatic people. this is really what the fight about testing is about. can we also use tests to test, rather, asymptomatic peen ? we need to use tests to tessa symptomatic people to break the chain of transmission. it's the only way we're going to get the virus under control. if that's the goal, if control is the goal rather than diagnosis, we don't have enough tests. the fundamental fight is are we trying to use tests for diagnosis or do we also want them for control.

>> sorry. how does it break the chain of transmission to be able to tessa symptomatic people and enough of them? >> sure. so we test, trace and isolation. when you can test broadly, right now 40% of the work force is working. 40% of the work force is in essential jobs. health care, public safety, ets. so it's not the case everybody currently is doing stay-at-home things. parts of the economy is open. in those parts of the economy people are transmitting the virus to each other. what you want to do is test health care workers routinely. when you find positive individuals, even if they don't have symptoms, what you do is sit down with them, you figure out who they have interacted with recently, what public spaces have they been in and you start tracing contacts and identifying other people who should also be tested for the virus. and when you find more covid-positive people, you do the same thing. trace their contacts as well. the first person you found has been sick already or had the virus for five, six or seven

days. and may not have symptoms yet. that's when the symptoms show up. when you trace their contacts, you find the next person who has been infected three to four days. you trace again and you find the next person who has only been infected one or two days. what you're doing is shrinking the number of people. each of those people has the chance to infect. that's how you actually get the virus under control, is by reducing the amount of time people stay sort of in circulation, the population while they have the virus. as soon as somebody identifies as covid positive, even if they don't have symptoms, they need to be in isolation. isolation is the technical term in layperson speak, quarantine. it's what we call it when the person has the virus where quarantine is if you don't know the person has the virus or not. they have to stay home from work. for some people staying home from work is a tough thing. maybe they don't have paid sick leave. it's important it be supported, job protection, material support so people can realistically do. >> realistically, what does it

take to be able to test 5 million people a day or do 20 million tests a day? sounds like obviously a huge amount. when you're talking those numbers, i assume you're talking about large employers having the capabilities to test on-site with a rapid test. >> exactly. 12 to 24-hour turn around in labs. i want to say something about the white house briefing today. i took that list of labs that the white house was providing to be good news actually. and i want to just explain why i took that to be good news. so, there are two things to know. there are two different ways to ramp up testing. the first is you can think of the brute force pathway. you simply increase the existing capacity in the existing supply chain, okay. the second pathway is what you can think of as the innovation pathway where you simplify the process and scale up to higher levels. the brute force pathway, supply

chain for testing, one of the biggest choke point is swabs. when the white house says they're going to use 20 million swabs, use the defense production act to get swabs going, that's positive news. they are trying to ramp up the existing supply chain. that's part of the story. that will get us that level of 5 million tests a week, which is what we need from a diagnostic point of view. but to get to 5 million, you also need the sort of innovation. that saliva test and simplified process. >> it's fascinating what you do. i'm sorry, i mauled danielle. >> that's all right. >> it's fascinating. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for your time. >> just ahead, house speaker nancy pelosi joins me to discuss the lack of testing. also the negotiations over a bill worth hundreds of billions of dollars of aid to small businesses. we'll be right back. (laughter) ♪

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the lack of testing we discussed tonight is a flash point of negotiations for new small business rescue package. hundreds of billions of dollars are at stake. expectations are for an agreement possibly as early as tonight. however, democrats want the deal to include a requirement that the trump administration draw up a national testing strategy. president trump, meanwhile, has repeatedly testing is an issue that must be handled by states and not the federal government. two people have to sign off on a deal. the president and house speaker nancy pelosi have also obviously been in conflict. he called her dumb after she called him a poor leader. this is what president trump said today. >> nancy pelosi's been -- she's very nasty. she wasted a lot of time with an

impeachment hoax. i understand the game. they have a little bit of a majority. so they say let's do something and let's try and stir it up. but they wasted a year. they wasted tremendous -- we could have been doing things that would have been great for our country. they could have been looking into china. they should have been looking into china as an example. a lot of people are blaming the democrats for wasting all that time because it was during that period of time, as you know, that it it was fomenting. >> joining me now to discuss the negotiations, speaker nancy pelosi. madam speaker, thanks for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> the negotiations, i want to give you an opportunity to respond to what the president said earlier today. >> the president used the word waste three times at least in his comment. i think it's a waste of time to even comment on what he said when he uses negative terms to describe anyone he wants to hoist blame on instead of taking responsibility. i spoke truth when i said he's a poor leader.

he never accepts responsibility. he always assigns blame. but it is fascinating how the press is just enamored of his press statements and every interview has to start with what he said. >> where do negotiations stand right now on the small business funding deal? >> as we speak, we're in conversation with the final language. we have, i believe, come to terms on the principles of the legislation, which is a good thing. then, but it's allegation in the fine print. now we're down to the fine print. i feel very optimistic and hopeful that we'll come to a conclusion tonight so that it can be taken up tomorrow in the senate and wednesday in the house of representatives. but we can't go until we have the final agreement, but we're close. >> can you talk about what has been the hold up or what are sort of the parameters of, you know, the discussion has boiled down to? >> well, we all as part of cares

one bill supported investing in our small businesses. they are the most optimistic entrepreneurial ventures in our country, the source of job creation, wealth creation, and we thought that it was a good idea to invest in them to protect jobs with the paycheck protection program. before you know it, boom, all of a sudden they were already out of money. and when the secretary came and asked me for $250 billion, a quarter of a trillion dollars in 24 hours, i said, well, we want to see the data on how that is spent, but also we want to make sure that we are -- as long as we are going to the floor, that we do so in a way that makes sure everyone can participate in the program. so part of our initiative -- they said, no, no, until about 100 hours ago they said no, and now they've said yes. so we have really about $120 billion more for small businesses in there geared to

our under-banked communities, women and minority owned businesses, native americans, rural america, veterans, small business and the rest. they have the place to get these benefits as well. in addition to which, we asked for $100 billion for health. that would be 75 for the hospitals which is so needed and 25 for testing. as you said, testing is one of the places where we want the language to be as good as we can agree to that we need a national strategy for testing. testing is the key that opens the door to our economy. testing, tracing, and isolation. >> why do you think it is that the administration is pushing back on the testing piece of this? i mean, they continue -- just today were saying, well, look, it's being under utilized. obviously the devil is in the details, and when you actually start to look at it, that is not the case. there's governors who are searching the world for swabs,

of all things, and that's, you know, among re-agents, our hold up. >> our governors, democrats and republicans alike, have been champions, a leader of the governors association, governor hogan, a republican, my governor gavin newsom, governor cuomo, other governors have really been champions on all of this. let me just say to the president, it's never too late to tell the truth. it's never too late to do the right thing. stop misrepresenting about the testing. we passed our first bill, three bills we had in march, all bipartisan. we're very proud of that. the first one passed in the house on march 4th. testing, testing, testing. here we are a month and a half later and we still are falling short. we have to do much more. your scientists on the program have told you that. so let's do it right because unless we can test, we do not know the size of the challenge that we face.

unless we test, we cannot contact trace unless we test. we then cannot isolate for the period of time that will make the difference. prevention and treatment are very much a part of all this as well. test, trace, isolate. >> i talked to former hhs secretary sabellius, maybe the president isn't pushing for such widespread testing -- the harvard study saying 5 million tests a day, up to 20 million by july to get things back to where -- sabelius was raising the possibility, the number of people who go up, positive that had the virus, somehow he believes that will hurt him politically. >> that's no mystery. he said that when he didn't want the americans to get off the ship because he said that would

increase the numbers early on. >> he didn't want his numbers to go up. >> yeah. he's been in denial and, therefore, delaying for a long time and that has been deadly in terms of this pandemic. but, again, it's not too late to tell the truth or to do the right thing. and i hope that he will. this back and forth between the governors and the president is very interesting because he on the one hand wants to look like we have all we need, let the governors do it, but the fact is that it doesn't add up, and it has to add up. we need to have the testing that we need. we need to have the re-agents, the technologies to do the test. we have to have the skilled personnel to take the tests. and we have to have people believing that if they take the test and they are positive, that there is an answer for them, that they will not be incurring large expense. and there might be someplace other than their home that they

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question about when states should reopen their economies may hinge on something we mentioned earlier in the hour. antibody testing. new york state began antibody testing today, hoping to conduct as many as 14,000 per week. the test measures whether a person has previously had the virus that hopefully will give health officials clues about infection rates as well as who might have immunity, though right now we still cannot say for sure if antibodies mean immunity. if they do, how long that immunity might last for. one country that has already begun antibody testing, south korea reported over the weekend 2% of those who supposedly recovered later re-tested as positive. however, "the new york times" reports those tests many of which remain in china have question marks about their

accuracy. joining me is the professor of the icon school of medicine at mount sinai in new york. professor, i think for a lot of people there is certainly a ray of hope over the prospect if you got infected, as terrible as that would be, you might not get infected again or at least for several years. at this point what do we know, and more importantly, not know about how effective antibodies and humans work against the virus? >> so, at this point in time we make assumptions based on what we know from human coronaviruses. so there's four coronaviruses that cause common cold in humans. and if you get infected with these viruses, you are protected for a certain period of time. could be one to two, maybe three years. and we have also seen that people who got infected with sars in 2003 make antibody responses that neutralize the virus. and these antibody responses are

detectable about two to three years. and so right now we are extrapolating and we are assuming that people who develop neutralizing antibody responses are going to be protected from re-infection. now, this is an assumption. this is something that needs to be studied. and currently we don't understand how much of these antibodies you need to be protected. and we also don't understand how long lasting that immune response will be. >> and i think i know the answer to this, which is we don't know because there hasn't been enough time yet to study it. when will we know or when do you think we might know for sure if antibodies equal immunity and for how long? >> so, we will know that relatively soon because studies are ongoing. we started already to figure out if people who have these types of antibodies, neutralizing

antibodies, can be reinfected. it will take about two to three months to figure that out. but, of course, we cannot predict if this immunity will last for two or three or four years. so we need studies where people are followed for that period of time to really figure out for how long they are protected. >> is it the same for everyone, or would there be certain things like like heredity? >> we don't know yet. people with severe infections make antibody titers. that these antibodies will last longer. they're assumptions right now. studies are ongoing to look into that. but you can assume that people who make higher antibody responses are protected for a longer time.

>> and what about mutations of this virus? i mean, do all viruses mutate? and do we know if this mutation -- how that affects things one way or another? >> so, yes, certainly all viruses mutate. coronaviruses are not viruses that are known to, what we call anti antigenetically trace. that's why we update it every year. coronaviruses are not known to show that behavior. again, we have to see what the dutch brings, but so far it does not look like there is or like there are antigenic changes of the virus when they spread geographically. so i don't think that's the biggest worry at this moment in time. >> if immunity is not for sure and if someone were to be reinfected, would the virus likely be the same strength as the first time?

>> you can assume that the virus infection would be much milder because even if you get reinfected, your immune system reacts much faster because it has even if your antibody titer is are lower, the you have memory cells that produce antibodies that come back, remember the virus, and make antibody responses quickly, so you could assume, you should assume that if you get reinfected it's probably going to be a mild infection, and it's probably going to last for shorter period of time. again, those are assumptions and this needs to be studied but from what we know from human coronaviruses, that's what we can assume. >> and professor, to those watching, what's the best health advice you thought suggest as more testing is done? >> for now, stay at home, and

wear a mask if you go into public or crowded spaces. that's the best health advice that is out there right now. >> professor, i appreciate all your efforts and your expertise. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> take care. time now to check in with chris to see what he's working on for cuomo prime time. you have a visitor. >> that is the face that tells the story. i am now allowed to be around my family. even though i'm still doing the shot from the basement because this is where we're signed up, cha cha is now back in my life. we're still taking it slow. we're not all hugging up and kissing and all that stuff, and christina was released from quarantine. she never got a fever. her symptoms are getting better. she handled it so much better than i. >> that's great. >> i'll tell you about what my new life is, this active recovery that i didn't know existed as a phase, but the kids back in the picture, we're figuring out our family gesture, we may go like this or something like that, a little air fist,

but you know, this is what i have been dreaming weeks for, so we'll talk about where we're headed now. this is a day i have been literally dreaming weeks about. and also the nightmare that we have to control around us about reopening and we feel the fervor, we all want to reopen. we allme want things to get bac to normal. but are we creating a bigger problem for ourselves in the near and not too distant future. >> chris, i just want to hear from cha cha. >> hi. >> how you doing? >> ask anderson why his hair looks so good when nobody can get haircuts? >> see, cha cha, he's making fun of me. >> your hair looks amazing, how do you look so good? >> i cut my own hair and i gave myself a bald spot here on the side of my head, so don't try to cut your own hair, cha cha. >> cha cha says you look amazing. >> well that's because you don't have return, she can't actually

see me. >> she can see you. she's looking at you right now. again, the simple things, coop, have taken on a whole new significance for me. this was a humbling experience, i know people go through a lot worse, even with covid, but for this family, this knocked us sideways and now mario is not feeling great, and look, we're all going through what families are going through all over the country, and we'll take on the big stories tonight. i'm just happy to have a little bit of love back. >> that's great. it's great to see you both. take care. thank you very much. see you in a couple minutes, seven minutes from now. up next, the driving force behind the protests around the nation, and people demanding their states be open for business. more important than ever. at&t is committed to keeping you connected. so you can keep your patients cared for. your customers served. your students inspired. and your employees closer than ever. our network is resilient. our people are strong. our job is to keep your business connected .

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there were more scattered protests around the country, people demanding their states open for business as soon as possible. according to cnn's reporter,s oe oe

organizers are a patch work group of individuals, connected on facebook, some connected to family of right wing activists with footprints in ohio, minnesota, iowa and pennsylvania where the state capitol was the site of one of those demonstrations. today. >> reporter: from coast to coast, protesters are making their voices heard. >> hey, governor lee, reopen tennessee. >> reporter: defying stay-at-home orders and taking to the streets. protesters are angry their state is shut down, their schools closed and their businesses facing bankruptcy. >> we do have a problem. certain parts of the country are overstepping our liberty. >> give us a plan. give some people hope. give that small businessman hope that he can open up in a week or two or three, whatever it is, but they can't stay closed trefr. >> -- forever. >> we're here to stand up for our god given rights under the

constitution of the united states of america. >> in some states, protesters carried guns, many carried american flags and signs with a message for their governor. some of the most popular, freedom over fear, end the shut down. jesus is my vaccine, and stop crying wolf. this was the scene in denver, colorado, when a small group of people dressed in scrubs blocked protesters in the street. >> land of the free. >> reporter: in indiana, they gathered outside the governor's mansion, and like so many other protests, completely ignored social distancing guideline. all risking their own health and others to make a point. >> i'm not wearing a mask. i'm shaking hands, i'm hugging people. because you know what, that's what we do. and if i get sick, then i'm going to bear the consequences of me being sick. if anybody else here gets the sick, they bear the consequences of their choice, their free

choice without government coercion to do so. >> reporter: this protester carrying a sign pointing out how most recover from the virus but what about her business. >> who has the right to tell me i can't get a haircut, i can't go here, i can't go there. >> reporter: while the governors of those states stand by their decision to remain closed, the protesters seem to have found a cheer leader in president trump. >> i have seen interviews of the people, these are great people. look, they want to get -- they call it cabin fever, you've heard the term. they've got cabin fever. they want to get back. they want their life back. >> reporter: he seemed to take pride in the patriotism of it all. >> i have never seen so many american flags at a rally as i have in these rallies. these people love our country. they want to get back to work. >> reporter: and then there were the counter protesters protesting the protesters. >> it makes me angry when people ignore the science that seems to be working. >> reporter: the politics of protesting in the midst of