>> erin, thanks very much. good evening tonight with the coronavirus death toll approaching 47,000. the white house appears to be choosing loyalty and political concerns over science or even the simple truth. today the government doctor who was until just days ago in charge of the federal vaccine effort sought whistle-blower protection. he said he was sidelined because he chose science over unproven and potentially deadly drugs favored by president trump. and rick bright, that's his name, rick bright's sudden removal from his job as biomedical advance research development authority or barta appears to be part of a pattern. in his case punishing a career professional. also according to new reporting tonight in the wall street journal, threatening to fire another, and this evening yet another scientist was forced to publicly attempt to backtrack on something he himself admits he said. the director of the centers for disease control and protection was brought to the podium late today by the president to disavow his own words on national television. so let's start with that first.

this is what dr. robert redfield actually said to "the washington post" about what might happen if a second wave of the virus hits during flu season. the article was published yesterday with headlines around the world. in fact, dr. redfield himself liked the article enough to promote it on twitter. as you can see right there from his tweet, he tweeted out a link to that article. last night, and here's part of what he said in that article. quote, there is a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through. and when i've said this to others they kind of put their head back. they don't understand what i mean, end quote. so, again, he tweeted out a link to the story last night. now little less than 24 hours later, at tonight's briefing at the white house, the president said redfield was misquoted and he called redfield to the podium to say that what he said didn't actually mean what his words actually said. but they did. let's listen. >> i didn't say this was going

to be worse. i said it was going to be more difficult and potentially complicated because we'll have flu and coronavirus circulating at the same time. the key to my comments, and the reason that i really wanted to stress them, was to appeal to the american public to embrace the flu vaccine with confidence. one of the greatest tools we have as we go through the fall/winter season we're into is to get the american public to embrace the influenza vaccine and thereby minimize the impact of flu to be the co-respiratory disease we confront. >> just to be absolutely clear, in introducing dr. redfield, the president said he took issue with the piece that was head lined he called fake. cdc director warns second wave of coronavirus would be worse. it now reads second wave of

coronavirus is likely to be more devastating. neither of which appeared to inaccurately characterize what dr. redfield said, which is the next wave could be more difficult than this one. in any case, the president can say as he did at the briefing the doctor was totally misquoted and make the doctor get up and toe the line. when asked precisely tonight, dr. redfield at the podium took issue with the way the piece was headlined, but admitted he was accurately quoted. just to remind you, not to let falsehood have the last word, here is what he said. quote, there is a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through. and when i've said this to others they kind of put their head back. they d'antoni understand what i mean. and when asked about protests against stay-at-home orders and the president calling on states to be liberated, dr. redfield told "the washington post," quote, it's not helpful. and then to repeat, he tweeted out the link to the story, the same story he claimed he was disavowing tonight be in front

of the president. let's be real. this is part of a pattern. anthony fauci said something that displeased the president. rick bright seeking whistle-blower status after being pulled from his job. he said he didn't push the president's drug of choice, hydroxychloroquine. pointing out the statement he released tonight. i believe the transfer was in response to my insistence the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by congress to address the pandemic and vet safe solution and not those that lack scientific merit. i'm speaking out because not politics or kronyism has to lead the way. president was asked about it in the briefing and gave a familiar answer. >> mr. president, i want to ask you about rick bright. he's the head of the federal agency in charge of getting a vaccine out to americans once it's ready. he says he has been pushed out of his job because he raised questions about

hydroxychloroquine, some of your directives about that. was he pushed -- >> i never heard of him. you just mentioned a name. i never heard of him. when did this happen? >> this happened today. >> a guy says he was pushed out of a job? maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. i'd have to hear the other side. i don't know who he is. >> he is one of the many professionals trying to do their jobs which is trying to save lives, which is also what cdc official nancy messinger was doing when she warned in late february that community spread of coronavirus was likely. tonight wall street journal is reporting the president was so angry he called the secretary of health and human services and threatened to fire her for telling the truth. president calls himself a wartime president. in truth it seems the first, last and constant casualty in this war. more now from cnn chief white house correspondent jim accosta. what are you learning about rick bright and the clash that's happening here? >> reporter: he sounds like he's a casualty, anderson, of the president's war on scientists,

war on science in the administration. dr. bright is going to file a whistle-blower complaint. he is protesting his removal from his position leading that agency that is charged with vaccine development. he was working on a vaccine for the coronavirus when he was abruptly pulled out of his position. he had been clashing with top officials with health and human services. but it was basically over the points he raises in this lengthy statement released to reporters earlier today. essentially saying that he protested inside hhs this tendency on the part of the president, other administration officials, to show preference for treatments like hydroxychloroquine when the science is just not even settled on that and there are studies showing it doesn't work. and when this doctor, dr. bright, raised questions about it, he is saying he was ousted from his position and talking to a source familiar with the situation this evening, anderson, we are told that he hasn't even been told what he's going to be doing over at the national institutes of health.

and so it sounds like he's been pushed out of this job into another job and he doesn't even know what that job is going to be yet. >> what is his next step? >> reporter: at this point he is saying he is going to be fighting for his job, according to the source we spoke with earlier this evening. he is going to be fighting for this job. he wants to be reinstated back into his position over at that agency. but you heard the president there a few moments ago essentially pouring cold water on that idea saying, well, maybe he was pushed out, maybe he wasn't. anderson, from all appearances he was absolutely pushed out and that is what dr. bright is saying. and it sounds as though he's going to have his chance to make his case. i will point out, though, dr. anthony fauci who appeared at the briefing this evening seemed to say that dr. bright is going to be welcomed over at n.i.h. and given some important responsibilities, but it's not clear whether or not dr. bright has been informed of that yet. >> jim accosta. jim, stay with us. want to bring in our chief

medical correspondent sanjay gupta and gloria borger. he stressed coronavirus may not come back in the fall but we may see embers. do you have any idea about coronavirus embers? >> no, the virus is the virus. the virus is the one constant in this whole equation. we have to continue to be able to react to this virus which, you know, continue to be the physical distancing measures and probably really spearheaded as we talked about so many times by testing. finding people who were infected, isolating them, finding their contacts, all that. but the virus is not going away. i mean, it's here. it's a contagious virus. it can be lethal in certain cases as we know. ultimately a vaccine may inoculate us against the virus, which would be great and a real significant development. but this is part of our human environment now, this virus. so it's not going away.

how we react to it is what may change. >> gloria, this is the second time a doctor has clarified their remarks at the podium or been brought up to clarify, even though what dr. redfield was clarifying was exact little what he had said. so last week it was dr. fauci after he told jake tapper mitigation could save lives. tonight dr. redfield. what do you make of this pattern? >> well, first of all, i think it's a disgusting pattern honestly. these are professionals who choose their words carefully. and, you know, if you looked at the picture tonight of dr. redfield standing up there and the president standing to his side, looking like the executioner who could chop off his head at any time and fire him if he wanted to. and we know the president can do that. and still, what he did was he got up there and he effectively -- he couched it,

but he effectively said what he said. he said "the washington post" was accurate. and i would argue that tony fauci did exactly the same thing when he stood up there. and i think perhaps the reason they all still have their jobs, because the president would probably like to get rid of anyone who disagrees with him or challenges him or gets him in trouble with the public, is that he looks at the polls and he understands that the scientists are trusted more by the american public than he is. and so he needs them right now. he needs them in his corner as angry as it might make him. it would be very difficult for him to get rid of them. >> jim, it's interesting the president said heed never heard of rick bright. maybe he has never heard of rick bright. it is kind of his go-to thing of, you know, people he just -- he says he's never heard of them and then, of course, people he's been photographed with numerous times.

it's the lev parnas who was working with rudy giuliani. >> reporter: the coffee boy. >> yes. >> reporter: anderson, sounds like the excuses we got during the russia investigation, various figures of the russia investigation were the coffee boys. they had more coffee boys than coffee during the russia investigation. the president seems to be offering up the same excuse about dr. rick bright. the president may not have personally known dr. bright and we don't know that for a fact at this point. we're still digging on that point. but obviously he was known inside h.h.s. because he was clashing with these health officials. and keep in mind, think about where dr. bright was standing versus where some of these other top health officials in the administration were standing. president trump and figures on fox news have been touting hydroxychloroquine for weeks as a treatment for the coronavirus. remember the president standing in the briefing room saying, what do you have to lose? what do you have to lose? and so on. and what dr. bright was raising internally is that not only do you lose the concept of time

because you're being treated with something that may not be effective, but there are also health risks. there are cardiovascular risks with hydroxychloroquine, and that is starting to show up in some of these studies, showing a higher mortality rate and so on. so dr. bright was on the side of science. he was on the side of saving lives. and it sounds like there were top health officials he was clashing with who were siding with the president no matter the cost. >> i want to bring in another voice to the conversation now, lena sun who interviewed dr. redfield for her report in the washington post. i'm wondering what you make of what you just witnessed of him in the podium because it seemed like the president was saying he was going to walk back what he said to you in the interview, but he actually did just verify that, in fact, he was quoted accurately in the interview. >> he was quoted accurately. we had a very good conversation. he spent a lot of time talking about the importance of getting the flu vaccination and why it was important for americans to

get this message and how the public health officials had to prepare for this summer so that when covid-19 hits in the fall, which has very similar symptoms to flu, that the public health capacity, hospitals would not be overwhelmed. he made this point of saying americans needed to get the flu vaccination because that way the hospital beds would be available for their mothers and grand mothers who might need it for covid. >> right. i mean, that is an important point as we pointed out a lot in our coverage. there are many americans do not get the flu vaccine even though it has -- it is as deadly as it is. i mean, the flu is a dangerous thing and people die of it every year. the president said today that the headline to your story was, quote, totally inaccurate. i just want to put the headline up on the screen which is, quote, cdc director warns second wave of coronavirus is likely to be even more devastating. i mean, just from a factual

standpoint, saying it's more -- likely to be more devastating and more difficult is essentially the same thing. if a deadly virus is more difficult, i mean, it's more devastating. wondering what your response is to the president's issue with the wording. >> it's sort of use your common sense. if you have this covid-19 -- if coronavirus now is hitting the united states and it took place after flu season had already want waned and you're seeing stress on hospital, lack of protective equipment, lack of ventilators, just imagine what it would be like if it hit the same time as flu in the fall. and dr. redfield himself said that we were lucky that it didn't hit at the same time as flu this year because -- and then in his quote that i quoted him, he said that it would be very, very, very -- i think he

used four very's, difficult on the health system capacity. so you take all those things. flu at the same time as coronavirus. and if people don't get vaccinated, the rush to hospitals -- it is just common sense, the portrait would be when he says difficult and people not understanding what he means, it means that he's drawing this picture for americans of how bad it could be. that seems to me the definition of devastating. >> bottom line, you stand by your story. >> we stand by my story. i stand by my story. and dr. redfield said he was quoted accurately. and i would point out, anderson, after the story posted he also tweeted and encouraged people to read the story. >> we put up his tweet earlier. lena, i appreciate your reporting. sanjay, i want to turn to georgia. the president said he disagrees with the governor's decision to open businesses friday, nail salons, massage therapy spas and

the like. dr. fauci said he would urge the governor to be careful. as a resident of georgia, as a physician, are there any signs that the government is listening? it doesn't seem like it. >> no, and, in fact, over the last few minutes, you know, governor kemp has now responded to what president trump said. and president trump said he strongly disagrees with governor kemp's decision to reopen things in georgia. as you mentioned, dr. fauci said he would advise him against it. yesterday ambassador birx said there are outbreaks going on. this doesn't meet the guidelines, the gating criteria. what we just heard, anderson, that's not going to change a thing in the governor's mind. he's still planning on moving forth with this plan to start reopening things on friday. hair salons, nail salons, tattoo -- what do they call them, tattoo parlors, whatever it might be, all these things. >> don't pretend you don't know about tattoos, sanjay.

i don't think you're a tattoo guy. [ laughter ] >> not a tattoo guy. how do you socially -- how do you physically distance at those sorts of places? i still don't -- i think a lot of people are thinking common sense here. it just doesn't fit. >> yeah, and restaurants and theaters on monday, according to the governor of georgia. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you. gloria borger, lena sun. the governor of las vegas wants to end her stay. something health officials say should not happen. that's not what the governor of nevada thinks. i'll show you my interview with the mayor earlier today. we'll talk with the man who issued the order governor of nevada. and kathleen srl-anthony sebelie take. with advil,

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dr. anthony fauci appeared at the white house coronavirus news conference today the first time in five days to plead with america's leaders who want to reopen local economies. he talked about the urge we all have to get out there and get it over with. but he said not to leapfrog over things, do it in a measured way otherwise there will be a rebound. the mayor of las vegas believes otherwise. she calls the closing of casinos and the efforts of the governor of nevada to keep people home

insanity. i spoke with carolyn goodman why she believes theaters, casinos, hotels and restaurants should reopen now. the conversation went on for more than 25 minutes. we'll play 15 minutes of it for you because we think it's important to understand the thinking of, in this case, the mayor of las vegas. afterwards we'll talk with the governor of nevada. thanks so much for being with us, mayor. you say that you assume everyone has the virus and is just asymptomatic. you want casinos open, vegas back in business. is that a responsible call to make? >> that wasn't the call that i was really making. it was to get people back to work. we have so many in our hospitality crew, probably -- we're 2 1/2 million people down here in southern nevada and we have so many out of work because of the casino shutdown. >> you want -- >> that's a piece of it. i want the hotel rooms open. we have 155,000 hotel rooms, and most of our people who live here and are part of the population, are hooked to those hotel rooms

in some way or ancillary way. >> so you want hotel rooms, casinos, the theaters open? i mean, you want vegas back in business, no? >> i want our restaurants open. i want our small businesses open. i want people back in employment. we have so many families that can't even afford to get the groceries for their family because they've been out of work for six weeks. >> casinos, you want them open. obviously visitors aren't going to come without casinos and shows and things. >> no, they'll come because they love -- we have major league sports here. >> so you want stadiums open. >> i'd love everything open because i think we've had viruses for years that have been here. >> you're talking about encouraging hundreds of thousands of people to come to las vegas to get the financial losses people are suffering which is awful. but you're encouraging hundreds of thousands of people coming there in casinos, smoking, drinking, touching slot machines, breathing circulated air and then returning home to

states around america and countries around the world. doesn't that sound like a virus petri dish? i mean, how is that safe? >> no, what it sounds like you're being an alarmist. i'm not. i lived a long life. i grew up in the heart of manhattan. i know what it's like to be with subways and on buses. >> i'm being an alarmist? >> i think you are by saying what you have just said. >> so you don't believe there should be any social distancing? you don't believe -- >> of course i believe there should be. of course. >> how do you do that in a casino? >> that's up to them to figure out. i don't own a casino. i don't know anything about building a casino. >> i'm sorry. you're the mayor of las vegas -- >> yes. >> you want casinos to be open even though you have no authority over casinos. >> yes. >> you say open them up but you have no responsibility about how that would be done safely? >> new york cio, you're blurrin >> you said it's not your job. >> i'm not a's private owner of

a hotel. i wish i were. i would have the cleanest hotel with 6 feet figured out for every human being that comes in there. >> if you can't figure out how to do this safely, why as mayor of a city that you are responsible for the people's safety are you calling for something that you have no plan for how it would be done safely? >> i am not a private owner. that's the competition in this country. the free enterprise and to be able to make sure that what you offer the public meets the needs of the public. right now we're in a crisis health wise, and so for a restaurant to be open or a small boutique to be open, they better figure it out. that's their job. that's not the mayor's job. >> let me ask you, what are you doing as mayor to improve contact tracing and testing in las vegas? >> well, first of all, as someone who is pretty sure she possibly had it january -- i have already been into the hospital, say take my plasma. >> i'm not talking about you.

i'm talking about what are you doing as mayor to improve contact tracing? >> and i'm calling upon everyone to go ahead, if they're positive, to go ahead and see if they can help be part of the preventive or the treatment pool that will have this plasma available. >> are you doing anything on testing and contact tracing? because in order to open businesses, every scientist says -- >> i don't have that. i don't have that. that's for scientists. the whole thing is truth validated -- >> fact, you're calling for businesses to reopen. >> yes. >> every scientist and person who looks at this says what we really need to do that is more testing and more contact tracing. evgen >> wait, wait, wait. that can't work. we're not getting the truth. and i know over the years going back to the 1950s with the atomic bomb -- don't worry about testing in nevada. you'll all be fine, take a shower. the reality is southern --

>> you're the one saying we'll all be fine. what we're saying is testing and contact -- >> no, no, no, you're putting words in my mouth. i said open up las vegas. let us get started and go back to work. we have all these people out of work that can't even feed their families or take care of their families. >> ma'am, i get the pain that's out there and it's real. >> yes, it is. >> i'm not minimizing it. i'm asking as mayor what are you doing to improve testing, make it more accessible and improve contact tracing? because every scientist who you say you listen to will tell you that's what you need in order to get online as fast as possible. what are you doing? >> every single email that comes in with offers to give us the kits and get it here, i send it up to the people in the hospitals for them to film ter through to find out if these test kits and everything that's being offered and provided for them -- that's not my job.

>> you said you talked to los angeles mayor eric garcetti. >> yes. >> if you talk to mayor garcetti, he's doing everything he can to improve testing in los angeles. what are you doing? >> i think that's wonderful. >> you said it's not your job. >> wait, no, it is not part of our job. that's part of our health department, part of our hospital jobs, our labs. those are the ones who are the experience and everything being -- >> the governor says unfortunately i know the mayor. >> i'm not a politician. i am a politician because i'm a mayor. no, no, no. who are his people and are they, in fact, the best we can have? i'm assuming yes, and all i'm doing is asking for a plan so i can tell our people who are calling by the thousands, when are they going to get a paycheck, how can they get a roof over their heads.

i am down in the groundwork with the people who have made this city what it is, who have come here to live, come here to build it, and we were not broken. and we need to get back to work. that's it. >> there is a chinese researchers have shown how the virus spread. i want to put up for our viewers, this is a restaurant -- >> anderson, you are tough. back to china. this isn't china, this is las vegas, nevada. >> okay, that's really ignorant. this is a restaurant -- >> that's ignorant to say -- >> that's an ignorant statement. that's a restaurant. and yes, it's in china, but they're human beings, too. >> of course they are. >> a person who is asymptomatic and infected and all those circles are diners who that one diner passed the virus to. all those other people became infected in a restaurant that had air conditioning and they believe it was the air conditioning which helped the virus spread to all those other

people. >> and you remember the legionnaires' disease in 1976 in philadelphia came all through the air conditioning. you don't remember because you're younger. >> i do remember. >> typhoid mary who i think passed away -- well, anyway, during the late '30s rode the buses, was a cook, and she was asymptomatic and she spread a fear of getting typhoid, and she never showed a sign of it. and she lived most of her life quarantined. the reality was, i think 58 people passed away from typhoid, and so we're aware of this. we learn from history. we've had ebola. we've had the west nile. we've had polio. it was painful. >> you didn't have people with ebola on the casino floor. >> well, we don't know that. >> you do because if you had it -- >> a neighbor of mine died from

west nile because the swimming pool on the next property was filled with mosquitoes and the people who had abandoned the house left the pool full. so we live with -- this is part of life, the challenges. >> as mayor, are you not concerned when you see just that restaurant -- >> yes, i'm concerned -- >> how air condition spreads this and other people become infected? >> yes, from legionnaires' disease, that's what i said. we lost a lot of people in that hotel who had gone ahead and been in the hotel and died because it came through. >> and there were steps to take to stop that by changing the air filtering, if my memory serves me correct on legionnaires' disease. there are not yet the steps to take with this other than social distancing. >> right. so people do that. i mean, i love watching our people here. they're so careful. and even as we have -- we work every single day. i have not missed a day.

and anybody who is in or comes into the office that needs an appointment or has an issue, they all are with their masks on or we always enforce social distancing. and the office is absolutely pristine with germ-free -- >> you're talking about your office? >> well, hopefully everything in the building. we'd shutdown the lobby. we have not had a problem with it. >> mayor, look, you love your city and i get you want it to go back to work. i totally get that. and you hear from people, you know, you're in a really tough position. i get it. but it just seems really irresponsible given that, a, you actually have no responsibility or say over casinos or what happens on the strip. that you're not out there doing anything about -- >> that's true. >> you're not doing anything about trying to improve testing like your friend mayor garcetti is doing in los angeles or improve contact tracing. you're simply sitting there and saying, you know, get back to work.

get these casinos open again. and you have no idea or plan or you've done nothing to try to figure out what's the best way to make that happen. how far apart should, you know, a dealer be from the people? how should the hours -- you're offering nothing other than being a cheerleader, which i guess is what part of your job is and i respect that. and you seem like a very nice person. but i don't understand, do you not have any sense of responsibility if you're calling for something to at least try to work to make it as safe as possible? >> if you go back to everything i say, it's been always about putting our workers back to work. it is not about the casinos. it's not about anything other than putting those who have lost their jobs in a city that wasn't broken and didn't have disease back to work. we're 2.3 million people here. we have 309,000 --

>> 300 cases in nevada, 63 deaths. that's with social distancing. you're saying there was no -- yeah, nevada. you're saying there was no problem in las vegas, like there was no disease? there was not the virus in las vegas? because earlier you said you believe everyone is asymptomatic. >> no, no, i'm sure in january -- and i know plenty of people who were coughing, some are fevers and if they did they stayed home because they thought it was the flu. the flu is unbelievably powerful still. and so, of course, we know that. and we tried to work on the sensitivities of people to be responsible as to spreading any kind of germ. whether it's the flu or whether it's -- >> don't you think it's worked in las vegas, social distancing, don't you think it's worked? 163 deaths, that is -- compared to some other states -- >> we're 150. we're 2.3 -- 2.3 million people in southern nevada and we've had

150 deaths. >> 163 i believe is the latest number. >> wrong, that's for nevada. this is down here. 150. >> hasn't it been because of social distancing that the numbers have been what they are? >> how do you know until we have a control group? we offered to be a control group. anybody who knows anything about statistics knows that, for instance, you have a vaccine -- >> you're offering the citizens of las vegas to be a control group to see if your theory on social distancing works or doesn't work? >> wrong, absolutely wrong. don't put words in my mouth. >> you just said we'll be a control group. >> excuse me. what i said was i offered to be a control group, and i was told by our statistician we can't do that because people from all parts of southern nevada come in to work in the city. and i said, oh, that's too bad, because i know when you have a disease, you have a placebo that

gets water and the sugar and you get those that actually get the shot. we would love to be that placebo side to have something to measure against. >> you want to get the placebo, you don't want the actual -- the group that gets the placebo by the way, usually gets the short end of the stick. >> you don't know. how do you know when you're part of that group -- >> mayor, if casinos reopen, are you going to be inside those casinos every single night putting your own life on the line? >> i have lived in this town for 56 years. >> i asked the question. are you going to go to the casinos every night and put your life on the line like all the workers, you say they're holding their hands? >> we don't need it. we weren't broken. as tragically 150 people we lost, tragic. we have 2.3 million people here. >> i haven't heard you say yes you would be sitting on the casino floorz eve casino floors along with the people you say you're holding their hands with.

>> what is the purpose -- first of all, i have a family. what are you doing? >> you're putting your money where your mouth is to use a las vegas term. >> wait a minute, anderson. anderson -- anderson, listen. >> and breathe the refill ter-- re-filtered air. >> i used to gamble when i first came to down. i work seven days a week. i have so many things i have to attend to. >> i wouldn't want to sit on the floors, either. i'm with you on that one. it went on from there. joining me now the governor of nevada. governor, thanks for being with us. i just wonder what you make of the push by the mayor who has no responsibility or say over when the casinos actually open saying that it should open now, and that there was no disease in las vegas? >> well, anderson, i appreciate

you having me on and allowing me to respond to some of what she said. we are clearly not ready to open. we have sadly since you did that interview, we now have 187 deaths in the state of nevada, but over 4100 positive cases. i will not allow the citizens of nevada, our nevadans to be used as a control group, placebo, whatever she wants to call that. i will not allow that. i can tell you our largest trade union on the strip, culinary union 226 lost 11 members. they lost 11 members to covid-19 already. i'm going to do everything i can to make sure they don't lose 11 more. >> clearly, you know, one can quibble with how the mayor says things and her logic or lack thereof. but there is -- look, there are certainly a lot of people who want to get back to business. i'm sure you want to get back to business. what do you say, though, to those who say, look, you know,

the solution to this is keeping us all locked up in our homes and socially distant. it's not worth the pain and the cost, economic and personal to people long term? >> well, i've been saying that for five weeks now, anderson, and you're absolutely right. i've never been prouder to be a nevadan than i am now. we put in restrictions, our executive orders and directives that call for social distancing and they call for hygiene and no large groups, you know, face coverings outside of your home. we've been able to keep our numbers as low as they are right now, the 187, 4100 because of that. i've got an enormous amount of cooperation from our citizens. there are clearly some who don't see things my way and they've resisted. but most elected officials, mayor of reno, marilyn

kirkpatrick did nothing but help me to expand our testing, expand our tracing and to open, open at the proper time. las vegas is a great place to be. it's a fun time, it's a great place to have a convention, come for a party, extended vacation, whatever that may be. and we want to welcome everybody back to las vegas. we want to welcome them back to the lights on the strip. but that's not today and it's not tomorrow. and the resort operators have been incredibly phenomenal partners, great partners in operating this. and matt maddox, you might have seen the plan he came forward he's proposing to the gaming control board. they put a lot of time and effort into this. when we do it we're going to do it right, but i've not going to allow our workers to be put in position where they have to decide between their job and their paycheck and their life. that's not a fair position to put them in. i will not allow that to happen. >> it also seems to me, just a cheap argument, to say it's either open up now or, you know,

the alternative is destruction, that it's a binary choice of either human health, lives or economic health. it seems to he am just long term for the health of las vegas is you want to have confidence. you don't want to have a reopening and then have to then pull back because there's been a huge outbreak. that's going to just long term hurt confidence that people have in any community, in restaurants or movie theaters or casinos or whatever it may be. >> you're absolutely right. i couldn't have said it better. that's why we need a phased in approach to get to where we need to get to. i'm following medical advice and scientists and statisticians and they've exposed to me what we're really dealing with in terms of the metrics and having to follow a graph and the model that's been established. i look at certain criteria. i look at hospitalizations as it relates to covid-19, intensive care unit hospitalizations,

ventilator usage, percent of positive tests versus tests that we've given. and they need those that have plateaued and begin the trajectory downward. i know people are asking [ inaudible ] for more clarity and more specificity, but you don't know when you're in the trajectory until you're already part way into the trajectory because you might be a little bit going down for a day, etulain or three and then going up again. i'm listening to the medical people. i'm listening to the scientists. they will decide along with the virus and behavior of our citizens when it's time to start reopening in a phased-in approach. >> you mentioned the local culinary workers union. they put out a statement, the mayor's statements are outrageous considering front line workers -- they need to be safe and healthy, not a petri dish. these are the workers who are the backbone of the community. >> they're absolutely the backbone, anderson. they're on the front lines. they're cleaning the rooms, serving the meals. they're out on the front edge of

being exposed to this. these are 11 members, 11 lives. people talk about reopening prematurely. i have talked to people who have lost a loved one to covid-19, to people that weren't able to visit a dying parent in a nursing home because they had restrictions on the nursing home. i talked to -- i spent a half hour with our first ground zero patient that we had at our veterans home that came out of a coma he was in for 30 days skan he thanked me. he said, governor, i'll be able to see my grandchildren. had you not done this, it wouldn't be possible. it's important we protect the health and future and well-being of our citizens. we can rebuild our economy. we will rebuild our economy. las vegas will continue to thrive. but i can't do that if i lose more people. we need to protect our health and their well-being. there will come a time to open las vegas in a phased-in approach. i urge everyone. nevada has been incredible. the vast majority of citizens are wearing face coverings or

practicing social distancing. they're doing everything they can. we need to send a sincere message and a consistent message and it's difficult when we get one person that's kind of leading people astray and i'm disappointed in that. >> governor, i appreciate your time and your efforts. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. appreciate the opportunity. >> take care. coming up next a former secretary of health and human services on the need for more testing and the president's apparent war on his own science and professionals. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ (baby coos) ♪

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professionals to toe the party line, joining us right now is former kansas governor kathleen sebelius who served as health and human services in the obama administration. the president differentiating between the second wave of the pandemic being more difficult versus it being more devastating, is there a difference between those two things in your mind? >> no. either one of them is pretty terrible. what dr. red ford is talking about is if you have a robust flu season and we never know really what's coming and you might have a vaccine that's fully effective or you might have a vaccine that's partially effective, we're going to have a lot of patients, as we do every year, already with underline health conditions, already older, more vulnerable, pregnant women, others who are susceptible to the flu, they will be in hospital beds. they'll be needing the kind of care. and then if you spread covid-19 on top of that, it could be deadly for even more individuals

in this country. >> and i mean, yeah, as you said, a second wave of the virus combined with the seasonal flu which a lot of americans do not even routinely get a vaccination for. >> that's right. >> you know, one of the things dr. redfield was saying, he was trying to impress upon people the importance of getting >> getting it and getting it as early as possible, we're hoping that the vaccine would be very effective, but again, we've seen the vaccination numbers going down and there were a group in the country that were anti-vaccination and spread the misinformation on the airwaves. so flu vaccine is not a guarantee of anything, but we hope that there could be a communication plan that starts now to get people ready to go get the flu vaccine quickly and then hopefully to be ready to get the covid-19 vaccine. there's still a myth that

covid-19 is the flu so there will be a lot of people that feel i'll do one or the other, but i'm not going to do both, that would be a deadly mistake. >> it's interesting how we've become zuszused to seeing the nation's top scientists filtered through the lens of the white house. it's rare, i think it would be in normal times even in other health crises, there's been press conferences from the cdc, you know, the head of hhs speaking publicly. everything now is filtered through the vice president's office essentially. does that -- is there a chilling effect and that's -- do you think it seems like that's intentional. >> well, it's, i think, very intentional. i work for a president who started with the fact that he sfe felt we needed to be guided by the science and felt as murky as things were with the vaccine and

we haven't seen the strain of the flu we were dealing with since 1918 that we had to tell people what we knew and what we didn't know and get out of the way and let the scientists, cdc and nih talk to the american public. we did twice or three times a day updates on what was happening, when the vaccine would be available and what we knew about it and where it was going to be, but at every point along the way, president obama resisted political pressure to rewrite cdc guidance, we were bowed to social pressure and he kept saying we have to follow the science and let the public know what the scientists say. i'm very alarmed that you get a lot of political spin before and after scientists talk, and today we saw them be asked to essentially correct what they say which is absolutely right on target that this second wave, and it is much more deadly, and

i have no, and as we get closer to other treatment and vaccination and we've seen the president from the briefing room promote what is totally unproven as an effective treatment and called drug out by name that needs to go through serious clinical trials. i've never seen that in my life. >> secretary sebelius, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> sure. >> take a quick look at the lines at a south florida food lines as it grows as a problem for the food supply. that's when 360 continues.

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as the coronavirus death toll nears 47,000 there's growing concern about the nation's food supply. large meat processing plants are closing because workers have become infected. in south florida, people lined up for food donations and randy kaye was there. >> let's go! come on! >> this was the scene in hialeah gardens, florida. cars stretching for miles. all of them waiting for free food. before dawn, organizers say more than 1,000 cars were waiting. >> what time did you come this morning? >> 4:00. >> 4:00 a.m. >> yes. >> some came as early as 2:00 a.m., sleeping in their cars for more than six hours before the food line opened. >> good morning. buenos dias.

>> more than 60 volunteers showed up to help distribute potatoes, fruit, pickles and chicken, lots of it. >> how much chicken do you think you're giving away today? >> i don't know, but it's a lot. >> much of the food gathered by the non-profit group farm share was purchased from farmers so it wouldn't go to waste. >> we've seen probably the biggest need in the history of farm share during this pandemic. >> are you hungry? yes. >> many who came to pick up food told me they've lost their job and are running out of food at home. [ speaking foreign language ] >> no job, no mono pep so you're coming for the food? >> reporter: he told me he's been out of work for weeks and has no food at home. same story for this man. >> do you need food badly? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. i'm not working at this moment. >> you're not working so you need food? >> i need food for my family. >> reporter: and the fact that it's free, so that helps. >> good idea. >> reporter: because you don't have the money to pay for it right now.

>> no. >> reporter: each family takes home about 15 pounds of food. during this pandemic, farm share has given away 5 million pounds of food to families in miami-dade county, one of the hardest hit. >> reporter: when they first started these food giveaways in early march they were serving about 400 families. here they expect to serve 1400 families. so clearly, the word has spread and so has the desperation for food. >> reporter: cesar barrelo is a flight attendant, he's barely working and has much less money coming in. >> we have two kids. >> that's a lot of mouths to feed. >> some people are rationing and not eating as much as home. are you doing that? >> we are doing also. >> we organize the menus and you know, keenind of with this all the time. >> reporter: still, despite his cut in pay he thinks it's a mistake for neighboring georgia to start re-opening businesses

later this week to get the economy going again. >> it's too soon. stay at home at the moment, keep the distance. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, hialeah gardens, florida. >> a lot of good groups doing food banks and food delivery. the news continues. i want to head over to chris cuomo for cuomo primetime. chris? >> thank you, my friend. i am chris cuomo and welcome, everybody, to "prime time." i know there are a lot of political headlines and we'll touch on them, but we can't let goch as and the latest examples of trump being trump disprakt us from what is definitely the elephant in the room. we are still not on the same page. states and the federal government. one plan, obviously will be regional and subjective, but one mindset about how to open places safely. tonight, governor cuomo of new york. now he just met with the president yesterday pushing