later this week to get the economy going again. >> it's too soon. stay at home at the moment, keep the distance. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, hialeah gardens, florida. >> a lot of good groups doing food banks and food delivery. the news continues. i want to head over to chris cuomo for cuomo primetime. chris? >> thank you, my friend. i am chris cuomo and welcome, everybody, to "prime time." i know there are a lot of political headlines and we'll touch on them, but we can't let goch as and the latest examples of trump being trump disprakt us from what is definitely the elephant in the room. we are still not on the same page. states and the federal government. one plan, obviously will be regional and subjective, but one mindset about how to open places safely. tonight, governor cuomo of new york. now he just met with the president yesterday pushing for more testing to get on the same page.

he said they had a good meeting. the president said they had a good meeting, but why? is the state ready now to re-open the way the president wants to? we're going to hear from the governor. if not, then how is it a good meeting? together as ever as one can't just be words. it has to be intentions and actions that get us to a safer place. so what do you say? let's get at it. ♪ ♪ now, look, you can't ignore the president trying to change the facts. we have to be facts first. the president doesn't like that the head of the cdc and by the way, most experts in the area of coronavirus and pandemic control all say the same thing. the fall could be a real problem. coronavirus is likely to return. it will likely be in combination with flu season. that's very difficult. why fight that fact?

why not just prepare for what could happen? no. trump decides to fight reality and deny that it will be anything like what we just experienced, but that's not the measure whether it's like what we just lived through. if it's anything close to that as has happened in the past with other viruses it may puttis right baput us right back in hiding with the pressures if we don't prepare. the cdc comes up and the president said cnn lied, and first of all, cnn didn't do the interview, the washington post did, and it was written by the washington post. dr. fauci, dr. anthony fauci gets up there and says a likely second wave is a real probability that we have to deal with. now the question is what's going to happen to them? are they going to suffer the fate of dr. rick bright, the head of bardia, the agency working on a vaccine for the federal government? that's what bright is doing,

working on the thing we all need most. his problem, he's also been saying stuff that doesn't go with what the president's been saying, specifically the president's long-touted miracle cure, hydroxychloroquine. i know you're not hearing about it much anymore. he pushed back and said i don't want congress' money to be spent on this drug that doesn't have research on it. i want to spend it on things that might be making a difference here. now he says he lost his job over it and now the others have to pay a price for telling the truth. here's the doctors, quote, dr. bright, sidelining me in the middle of this pandemic and placing politics and cronyism ahead of science puts lives at risk. science must always trump politics. the president's response. who? >> i've never heard of him. you just mentioned the name. i've never heard of him. when did this happen? >> this happened today. >> if the guy was pushed out of

a job, maybe he was. maybe he wasn't. i'd have to hear the other side. i don't know who that is. >> first of all, that's pretty scary. the president doesn't know the lead person who is working on the vaccine at barda, the agency that's focusing on this? really? and maybe he was pushed out of a job, that's an equal concern, maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. after the reasoning that the doctor gave, is that something for the president to be ambivalent about like he wouldn't have some role in that? he wouldn't have some responsibility? also surprising, on a totally different level, because you have to be fair here, was the president all of a sudden striking a different posture about his state re-opening as quickly as possible, specifically georgia. the governor there, a republican seems to want to be appeasing this president more than making common sense for his own state, the president says not so fast. >> i told the governor of georgia, brian kemp that i

disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of georgia is just too soon. i think it's too soon. >> good for him. good for him, but very confusing for us. why? because if he thinks it's too soon because georgia isn't meeting the criteria for re-opening then why would he be pushing states that have told him many times we can't reopen safely. we won't have the testing. if he sees it in georgia now all of a sudden why is he pushing other states to liberate, telling people to liberate your state when they could get the same analysis from him. they're not ready either. why push them? let's bring in the governor of new york to talk about this where he sees the state of play. he just met with the president. it's good to have you, mr. governor. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you, little

brother. >> always a pleasure. so help me with this, honestly. you go down there. you meet with the president, you come out and he says good meeting and you say good meeting. he's going to help you double testing from 20,000 people in new york a day to 40,000, then they say oh, good, so you're ready to reopen? oh, no, we're not ready to reopen. we have a lot longer to go, then how is it a good meeting? you keep talking to the federal government about what you need it reopen. you keep saying you have good meetings, so is he and then you don't have what you need to reopen. how is this progress? >> nice to be with you again. glad you're feeling better. glad christine is feeling better. >> it is a common frustration, governor. it's a common frustration. >> i don't know how common it is and i don't know that -- your assertion is factual and accurate. i don't keep meeting with the federal government and i don't keep meeting with the president. we had one meeting, and it was a

good meeting and it was a productive meeting. the testing, we have been going back and forth on who is supposed to do what on testing and the federal government starts by saying we don't do testing. it's up to the states. the states say we need federal help and we were getting nowhere so i wanted to go and i wanted to sit down at the table and actually have the conversation and talk about testing and here are the different functions and who will do what? the president said they should take the lead on testing, he's right. i have 300 labs in my state, okay? i regulate those labs and they're basically private labs, i should determine how many tests we need and where we can do them, et cetera, but the labs have to get the supplies from these national manufacturing companies that they bought the machines from and each machine has its own chemicals and its own testing kit, et cetera. those national manufacturers say they can't get enough test kits so my labs don't have the supplies.

that is a job that the federal government should do. we talked about governor larry hogan of maryland, and went to south korea and he got test kits, but it's not right for governors to now worry about an international supply chain, right? we went through that with ppe. let the federal government take that piece and that's what we agreed to, but testing is only one piece, chris. you don't re-open just because you have testing. you reopen, first of all, when the numbers stabilize. new york was still coming down the curve, but we're not down and you're not going to reopen until that number is at a lower, lower point and then you test to make sure you're still at that point and calibrate where you are. >> all right. >> understand? >> one step sideways. yes. one step sideways and then i want to go to when you reopen and what the right measure is. just to be very clear. >> stepping sideways.

>> yes. lateral step. lateral move. you met with the president. you have spoken to the president and his people before now about testing, yes? >> that is a true statement. >> so that was not the first real meeting. you've talked plenty with the federal government about this you just kind of keep running circles around each other about having the conversation about who does it and you saying the same things to them and them saying the same things back and you still remain in a state of gradual movement, but not where you need to be. is that a fair assessment? >> well, to say that i had phone conversations with them is not to say i met with them. you said i met with them a number of times. i didn't meet with them a number of times. >> semiantics. >> what's a phone call? >> i did have phone calls and those are phone calls. those are conversations, they're not meetings. >> what's the difference? >> and look, what we're trying to do, one is a meeting and one

is a call. >> that's semiantics. >> we had things done before. >> true. >> what we're trying to do has never been done before. new york state today does more tests than any state in the country. new york state today does more tests per capita than any country on the globe, all right? had so we've been very aggressive and very good at ramping up this testing. we've done over 500,000 tests in a month. more than anyone else, but 500,000 tests as big as that is, sounds like a big number, not when you're talking about a population of 19 million and a workforce of 9 million. 500,000 a month, that means a million in two months and 1.5 in three months. it's not enough. we want to double that rate of testing which is already the highest in the country and the highest on the globe, per capita. to do that, the federal government has to work to get that supply chain to the

national manufacturers so they can provide the equipment, the reagents to my labs. just to give you an idea of what the 40,000 tests are. that's every machine that we have in the state of new york running seven days a week, 24 hours a day. so you can't have a higher number of production capacity in the state than that. >> and that's my point, that listen, you definitely deserve your respect for doing as much as you can with my capacity, but you're not getting what you need to get your capacity where you need it to be. i must have heard you say on just this television show, let alone your press briefings several times, hey, man, federal government's has to figure out how to get more of this done. they should be talking to the manufacturers. new york can't make it. you don't have the cash to front these companies. states don't have that kind of budget and even big new york and big california. they can't afford it. the federal government would have to do it.

you keep saying it, nothing happens. one company, they tell us, is making swabs in the united states of america. the home of rosie the riveter, made b-24s during world war ii and now we can't make cotton swabs. why? >> look, i don't want to argue that point with you because you're right. one of the lessons we learned here from the get go, by the way, whether it was gowns, masks, gloves. >> right. >> ventilators, why does it all come back to china? why is everything made in china? i mean, it was just bizarre when you think about it and -- >> that's what trump said, by the way. >> that's what makes america great again is all about. it's all got to come back from china and they chased him about his ties and where his stuff was made and because the trade deals stink and i'll change all of it and this is a beautiful opportunity and he hasn't done any of that. >> well, we have to do that and look, that was a wake-up call for everyone. i understand how the international economy works and

why manufacturing left especially like a mask or a gown or a glove, but there's now a national security issue and you have to be able to get this material and that's one of the lessons. we have to make all of that here so we control the supply chain and we're now learning it on this testing side where you're trying to go 50 times your current testing capacity, right? and all of a sudden re-agents and chemicals and whether china will release them or not, becomes relevant, but just so we're clear, before you get to testing, the number of cases and hospital z hospitalizations has to come down because we are only on the downside of the curve. it's not low enough to even talk about reopening and then if any of these theories are true that you could see a low ad in the summer, but a rise up in the fall, i mean -- >> yeah. >> that's, you know, it just changes your whole calculous, right? >> do you think that's a

speculation like a maybe or possibly or are your projections and experts telling you by the way, from the federal level, you better get ready for that because it's coming? >> well, look, i don't think the cdc gets up and says we have to worry about the fall. i don't think dr. fauci gets up and says we have to worry about the fall. i don't think dr. birx gets up and says we have to worry about the fall unless we have to worry about the fall. the president wants to be optimistic and wants to be positive and wants to see those markets come back and you listen to the medical experts who are just giving you facts and they're all saying it could come back in the fall. they all are saying it could be coincident with the flu which is the real problem. >> right. >> because that now, all of the testing capacity we're developing we're putting all that testing to covid, right? the testing was normally hiv tests, large number, about 2.4 million and the flu. if you have the testing machines doing covid, do you have enough

machines to do covid and flu come the fall and that's another problem we're going have to deal with. >> right. that's what the cdc head was talking about in refining context again today that we didn't have to deal with the flu in earnest this time around in this later, this spring season where flu starts to abate. next time we may not be so lucky and that creates new complications. let's take a break on the tease of this notion. you dealt with some interesting and significant pushback today on the idea of whether the solution, the cure is worse than the virus itself because of the economic impact. what the governor's counterargument is to the people saying it's been too longal will read you're killing me by keeping me home right after this. a lot has changed in the last few weeks. but one thing hasn't:

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back now with the governor of new york andrew cuomo. good to see you, big brother. so today you said something that is making a lot of headlines. you said this is no time to act stupidly. more people will die if we are not smart. the response to that is -- but this has been too much for too long. you are killing me by keeping me home because i can't work. i'm burning through my cash. the relief checks aren't enough, and it's time to take some risk because the cure is worse than the virus. response? >> yeah. yeah. i've seen the signs myself. the cure is worse than the disease except it's not, right? here the disease can kill you. so the cure is not worse than the disease because the disease can kill you, and there is

nothing worse than death. look, i get the frustration that people feel. they don't have a paycheck, and the bills still keep coming, right? it turns out that the bill collector is an essential worker so those bills keep coming. you don't have a paycheck. that's real stress. you don't even know if you have a job, you don't even know if your business is going to return. you're in the house which sounds very romantic with the family and that lasts for about seven day, right? and then everybody's stressed, cabin fever. so i get the frustration and the anxiety and everybody's feeling it. i feel it personally, i feel it as governor, but what is the flipside? the flipside is okay, so i want to go out. i want to do what i want to do and we have 15,000 people who have died already in this state. the only way we brought down the virus spread was by doing what we're doing, and i just want to abort that because i think i have pressure, and i have to get

out of the house. yeah, but the flipside is you can infect yourself. okay. do what you want with your own life. >> true. >> you can infect someone else and you could kill someone, literally kill someone. so the cure is not worse than the disease because the disease can kill you, and that's what people have to remember. >> but they don't -- but you do have a lot of people -- >> freedom -- >> i don't want to give you the freedom point because i don't buy that. you're hurting my freedoms and we need to liberate. i don't know why the president said that, and i don't want to hear you say that, go liberate your own region, but here's their argument, yes, there is a chance i could die. there is a chance i could kill somebody else, but it is so small and it is more than likely that i'm going to get crushed economically. i've burned through my savings. it's going to kill my business, i can't take it anymore so death

of the business, economic death is much more likely than real death, so lighten up, governor. >> yeah. except that real death is real, right? economic death is not death. it's economics, and you're dead, i'm dead. the economy, we can figure out, right? we have federal legislation. we have state legislation and we can figure out the economy. look, the old italians used to say, as long as you have your health, everything else is second and that's true. so death is still the ultimate problem in life that we can't fix. anything else we can fix. >> but you do see the mission creed, don't you? the different states and the timing. yeah, the president was banging on those governors in the red states and it was effective and

i thought it was interesting what he said about georgia. that they're doing it too quickly. they're so out of sorts for him. he's been saying exactly the opposite as we just mentioned. he's telling people to liberate their states. you see state after state is planning to find a way to reopen. how long can you fore bear the political pressure of people saying, gov, this is hurting us. this is hurting us. the cases aren't where you want them to be, but they're a hell of a lot better than they were three weeks ago, man. don't let perfection be the problem. >> yeah. georgia put the president in a box, and i think the president was right, frankly. georgia violated the vdc guidelines. they have theoretical cdc guidelines. georgia violated the cdc guidelines. how can you do this and social distance. how can you run a tattoo parlor and socially distance, right? you have to be six feet away. that's a long tattoo needle and you need really good aim to do that tattoo, you know?

so you really can't do those jobs and socially distance, so i think georgia put everyone in a box, but i'm not going to make this decision on politics or political pressure. i've been through a lot of political pressure, and i'm not going to make a bad decision because of political pressure, and i'm getting a lot of the local officials who feel the pressure more than i do, frankly, one way or the other, but i say to them because i talk to them all day long. i say, look, the truth helps you here. the state law governs, so even if a locality does something that contradicts the state law the local action is void. >> right. >> it's void, so i say -- >> tell the truth. >> which is not up to you and blame me. i don't have a problem with that, and i'm not going to cave to the political pressure and see people die. i'm not going to do that. >> you're making a neat argument also, though, which is interesting on the federal

level. you ask larry hogan, the governor of maryland, he's the head of the national governors association. you guys wrote a letter and you're the vice chair there saying you are not giving any money to the governments. you're giving it to programs and you're giving it to specific things and that's good, but you're not giving it to us so we can't deal with our operating deficits. mitch mcconnell says hey, go broke then, if you don't know how to run your government. i'm not giving you a bailout. you're not getting more federal money. state governments, local governments, go bankrupt, then? >> yeah. one of the dumbest statements of all time. mitch mcconnell, they're talking about bringing back the economy and then he says states should declare bankruptcy. how does that help the national cheat? states should declare bankruptcy and he then says this is a bailout to the blue states which is a really offensive statement. what he's saying is the blue states are the states that have the coronavirus problem. why? because the coronavirus problem

is basically a function of density, and urban areas have more density, and those are cities and cities are blue. they are democrats. so why should he bail out the blue areas. i mean, it really is offensive. you talk about one issue where you think you can get past partisanship and pettiness and now you talk about helping communities where people are dying and you say they are blue states? no. the coronavirus attacks republicans and it attacks democrats. it doesn't ask someone are you a republican or are you a democrat, and normally in emergencies, chris, this is the one time when you saw the federal government put the politics aside. a state has a hurricane and the state had a flood and they got federal funding because you didn't play politics with that. mcconnell is the exact opposite and that's why i said all along they should have insisted that the state funding be in this

bill and when they signed this bill, they passed this bill which is small business. they took care of airlines and they took care of all these industries which is fine. >> right. >> you don't do state governments and if you don't do state and local government, by the way, that's police. that's fire, that's teachers, that's schools. you're not going to fund those areas and you're not going to fund the states which are the governors who are doing all of the reopening. i mean -- >> right. >> it's so politically repugnant. how am i supposed to reopen if you want me to declare bankruptcy? i mean, it makes no sense on any level, and the state funding should have been here and the democrats are to blame for that also, chris. >> right. and congress because you've been talking how much you've been talking to your own constituency and they have to fight for the states to get the money and we're not hearing them pipe up either saying that the states should get the money.

good for you for blaming both of them for not once putting the money in your pocket that you say you need. >> it's not my pocket. it's not my pocket. police, fire, teachers, schools, right? >> yes. it's not you personally because god forbid you have money to buy gas when we're out on the boat. >> god forbid. i get it -- >> you're the one who sews his pockets closed and you'll talk about me? >> you're tight as two counts of paint. everybody says it, your hands are too big too reach into your pocket. that's the word on the street. >> okay. okay. >> i know you don't want to do that. listen, i grew up with a guy who when someone showed up to the house, a suitor to spend time with any of my sisters would fly out of bushes like a puma, chase them back into cars and

literally come to the door and say, turn around and walk away while you can. in contrast, i see a man on television saying, we always like the boyfriend. the boyfriend is always a good thing. we embrace the boyfriend. when did you get this epiphany and why didn't you pass it along to me instead of having me to go with the shotgun and shovel route with bella which creates nothing, but agita in my house? >> that doesn't work. plan b. plan b is you say you like the boyfriend. see, if you say you don't like the boyfriend there's some weird reverse psychology where now they have to prove you wrong so they have to like the boyfriend more. so the only answer is i like the boyfriend. the dog doesn't like the boyfriend and i don't know what the dog senses that he doesn't like the boyfriend.

you can't say anything other than you like the boyfriend otherwise they do the exact opposite of what you say. i've learned it the hard way, but i got it. >> i pass it on to you, my brother. >> how did you get so warm and cuddly all of a sudden? >> you've become a real feely guy, you know that? you've become very sensitive, very motive as pop used to say. you like to emote all of a sudden. what has softened you up, gov, i'd like to know because i don't remember you that way. maybe it's the coronavirus, but i don't remember you this way so what happened? [ laughter ] >> yeah. it's your memory. it's your memory. i think the coronavirus has perverted your memory. not only do you come out frail, but your memory has suffered. maybe when you get out of the basement and christina lets you out of the basement -- >> i am out of the basement and this is where the shot is set up now. the concern as with all families as with all families as andrew

will quickly tell you, the virus worked through the family. it was me, and christina and now mario has the same symptoms she had and he's got the coronavirus and it's working its way through and they're doing fine, and thanks for caring about my family and about me and thank you for fighting for the people in your state. i appreciate it. >> thanks. he's going to be okay. >> thank you very much. >> yes, sir. >> i appreciate it, doctor. dr. sensitivo. that's what they call him now. >> that's me. don't forget it. >> would you, please? when i get the last word the interview is supposed to be over. why do you let him keep talking? >> i'm governing and you're not! >> okay. all right. is he gone now? dr. sensitivo, there you go. all right. good, kill the mike. it took three tries. it's amazing the pull he has over my own team. so why was the doctor in charge of a government agency working on a covid vaccine, and then

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all right. here's the question, what do we need most to get past coronavirus? answer -- >> the ultimate game changer in this will be a vaccine. >> all right. dr. anthony fauci, one of the most credible people in the country, but common sense tells you the same thing. we need the prophylactic, and who would push out the guy that

makes the vaccine. andy, good to see you. hope you're health. >> thank you, chris. i'm glad you're back in the chair. here in the basement or anywhere else, america feels you in that chair to feel normal. thanks for being back. >> well, if my extreme abnormality makes everybody feel more comfortable baseline then it's all worth it. let me ask youing some, political intrigue aside, just the timing, tell me about barda, this agency and how important it is and how if this is the guy, dr. bright, who was working on the vaccine, how much does that make him the man? are there ten agencies working on that vaccine. is that not a big deal, is the agency secondary or is he a main player? >> i think this is like the patriots being down two touchdowns in the fourth quarter in an elimination game and deciding to pull tom brady.

dr. bright is a guy who has been working for this moment the entire career. he's the guy that's been studying infectious diseases and vaccines for his entire life and entire career. i can't tell you if he's the best or the second or the third or the fourth. it doesn't matter. i don't understand why you'd pull him off the field right now when you need every capable mind and this is something that this guy has been preparing for this moment forever and i don't understand why we pulled him off the field. we've got to change that. >> well, you do understand, of course, because that's what happens when you contradict trump. of course, the president said i don't know the guy. which i don't know what's scarier, by the way. him owning, i don't know what he said about hydrochloroquine so i got rid of it, him saying i don't know who the guy is who is one of the main people working on a vaccine. i don't know what should be more troubling to the audience. they can decide, but in terms of what this means now -- so getting a vaccine, they say

takes a year, year and a half. what does it do to the process if you lose someone at the head of it. tom brady and i guess now the buccaneers and what it would mean to take him out of the mix and how does it slow us down? >> look, i mean, let me start with this. the guy you had on before me, i think said pretty much the words, you want to criticize me, criticize me, i want to do the right thing. if there was one thing we could wish for is that the president would take that attitude so that people could argue about and get to the best answer. we've got dozens and dozens of vaccine trials. we've got lots and lots of possibilities, and i think it's too early for us to be predicting what we -- what's going to happen with a vaccine. in today's day and age, whatever you want to believe you can confirm on the internet. if you want to believe that we're six months away, you can find articles to support that. if you want to believe that we're four years away, you can find articles to support that.

if we're 18 months away -- we just don't know and that's why we need the really smart people and barda is the agency that is focused on response to infectious outbreaks. that's all they do. they literally wait around for this moment, the agency he runs and this is what they do. they figure it out and because we don't know we want the smartest people to figure it out. >> here's the other thing i wanted to discuss from your perspective. you mentioned captain sensitive a second ago, my big brother. so he says that he had a great meeting at the white house. by the way, i won't put this on your lap, but phone calls count in terms of meetings. okay? they've talked a lot, the white house, the federal government and the state of new york everybody says it all of the time and they all count so it's not just one meeting, but they keep winding up in the same place, i think, andy, the idea of are we on the same page, do they have a plan? they say they have good meetings

and they say they have progress and they don't have a plan. they're not on the same page and they don't know how to get to ppe and they don't know how to get the testing scaled up, and how is this progress? >> well, look, first of all, he can't say anything else because i think he knows enough -- i mean, he's got iq to know that there's no -- there's no benefit and no margin in insulting the president. there's all kinds of margin in praising the president. secondly, you know, i do think if we're -- where he's trying to be nonpartisan about this, and i think on his good days, trump wants to support -- he doesn't want people to die. i don't believe that the president wants people to die, but if things get in the way of the way he looks that's when things get crossed up. so the governors are having to play, i think a pretty veiled

game of how to do this, how to do the right thing without being critical. >> i worked for president obama. i don't recall people being afraid to be critical of president obama for almost anything, and you know, that be that as it may, whether it was good or bad it aloud us to fundamentally understand what was going, what was wrong and what was right and worked. no president feels it's fair, but in this particular case it is so fragile that it's very hard for a state to get through this without constantly going back for more. >> right. look, we've certainly seen that andy and that is the right perspective and i know you get that because you were doing that job on the federal level and working with the states and i can hear the president's supporters right now saying after they heard you say that, andy, remember obama and people being afraid and yeah, it's because he was weak and trump was strong and let's see where the strength gets us because we have obvious needs that

everybody knows about and reopening without getting testing and treatment and tracing of people right will be a big problem. so let's see where the strength gets us or perceived strength. andy slavit, you are strong for sure. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, chris. if you look at the president's message, consistently, he's saying reopen. we've got to reopen. the states that are slow on it in his estimation, he tells the people you must liberate your state. so it is surprising that the president kind of turned 180 tonight and said, but what georgia is doing with republican governor that's trying to impress him, apparently, that's too much too soon. what does the mayor in georgia going to make of this? 48 hours less than that away. a big day of georgia reopening next. (vo) at sprint, our priority is keeping our customers, employees, and communities safe. during these uncertain times we want you to get

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just dead wrong actually spoke the truth that georgia may be doing too much too soon which is really, speaking truth about a situation the way we haven't heard him do before. how does this play in georgia? lori henry is the mayor of rosswell, georgia. she supports now governor brian kemp and did so on his 2018 campaign and joins us on "primetime." mayor, thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> it's great to have you. i wish you well down there. i hope things go well when you guys reopen, but let me put you in a very enviable position. what do you say to the president of the united states? he says you guys are doing too much too soon and he is saying this because he's afraid of people losing their lives. your response? >> i agree. >> you agree? you think you're doing too much too soon? >> yes, i do. >> how how do you square that

with supporting the governor? >> my number one priority as the mayor of rosswell, georgia, is health, safety and welfare of our citizens. i think this is too early. i understand that we have two very important issues here with this pandemic. one is health. the other one is the economy. and i as a mayor of roswell cannot turn my back on the health issues. i realize the economy issues are very important and the gravity of those are -- it's very strong. however, i can't sleep at night unless i know that i'm doing everything to protect the health, safety and welfare of my citizens, and that is my intention. so i have to live with the governor's orders. i have been supportive of the governor. my executive orders here in roswell have been in line with his. i have supported them.

but at this point in time, he has not given me a choice. we have to -- we cannot be more stringent or less strict than his orders. so what we are doing is we are strongly encouraging people to stay safe, healthy and take care of themselves and their families. that's what we need to do here. and that is my message. >> understood. did you reach out to the governor and tell him that you think he's making a mistake? >> i have not reached out to the governor. and, frankly, what i have been doing right now is reacting to the governor's executive orders. we have one that deals with several of the businesses that he's opened. we've got another one we're anticipating that will be coming that deals with restaurants. and what we're doing as a city, our staff as well as i, are

looking at everything that he is requiring. how do we deal with that? how do we pivot with that information? and how do we convey that to our citizens and our businesses? because, frankly, you know, our businesses are in trouble, and, you know, our citizens are in trouble. >> right. >> so it's -- it's really -- and i would like to say in defense of the governor that, you know, this is a very, very difficult time and these are difficult decisions. and i am counting on the fact that the governor and the president have an ace team of people that are advising them. and i don't have that luxury here in roswell, georgia. we're a city of about 100,000 people. >> right, but -- how -- that's interesting. first of all, people should know about you, mayor, that you are a business person and you know -- >> yes. >> -- what running a small business is about and that was a catalyst for you getting into public service, so you understand business better than a lot of politicians, frankly.

now, the confidence of the team. where does the confidence come from? i mean, your governor, i know you support him, but on april 1st, no irony, he just said, hey, i just learned you can be asymptomatic and still spread the virus. really? my 10-year-old has known that for two months. now he wants you to reopen, even by the president's own reckoning, even though he's very aggressive when it comes to reopening, that you don't meet the criteria of the cdc. why do you have good confidence when he's not meeting the standard the cdc has set out and not shown great acumen about the coronavirus. >> i can only hope he is getting good advice that i am not privy to. and, you know, i will tell you that at a local level we have to deal with his orders and we will deal with them and we will support them because by law we have to do that. however, i will also say to you that my message to the citizens of roswell and our business

owners is be careful, be safe, shelter in place, and don't let this happen too quickly. the governor's order does not require that businesses open. they do -- it does not require that citizens attend or go to those businesses. and my only hope is that through our message here in the city of roswell is that we can convince our citizens and our businesses to be safe and be cautious and open at a slower pace. and that is what i am fighting for. >> well, it can be amazing what the president's voice can do, especially in party. it will be interesting to see if the governor reconsiders any aspect of it in the next 40 or so hours. mayor lori henry, i wish you good luck and good health going forward. we are here to get out information about what matters in your community and those surrounding it always.

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tonight's ameri-can is out of san francisco. ben ramirez turned his kitchen window into a free coffee stand. he offers free coffee to health care heros and other essential workers. his 5-year-old son suggested using his toy gorilla arm to hand over the cups while keeping six feet away. >> a lot of people have actually been very thankful having just, like, a space to come get your coffee and talk to somebody for a second, kind of makes it feel like they're back in their kind of routine. >> together, as ever, as one. ramirez says his dream is to open a cafe. he's certainly got the service part down. thank you for watching. time for "cnn tonight," and that means d. lemon. >> that reminds me -- remember the old thing, the old punching thing when we were young? the expandible thing that had the boxing glove on the end? you don't remember that? >> oh, i know