you need streets open so people can walk and socially distance. you can't do that on the sidewalk. and there has to be a way to close streets because you have no cars. you have no cars, you don't need as many streets. this is a direct proportionality. >> reporter: governor you said you suffolk to donald trump the president this morning, correct? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: about what time was it, ballpark? >> i don't know. >> reporter: i ask because at about an hour ago he posited about poorly run states in all cases democrat run and managed looking for bail out help. did you discuss, first of all, federal moans coming down to state of new york? and second of all how do you feel about that as a bailout? >> no, i don't discuss that with the president. look, first, i believe, and i said at the time, i was consistent, the last bill that

they passed that only did small business help, and everybody supported small business help, should have included state and local. now, when you say state and local, there is no personality to state and local. i get that. don't say state and local. say what the state and local governments fund, police, fire, teachers, hospital workers. funds more business, but also fund police, fire, school teachers and hospital workers. how can you exclude them when you are talking about priorities? yes, small business is a priority. so are police, fire, school teachers, and hospital workers. i don't know why they passed the bill without including that at the time. and i said that. i said it to my congressional

delegation. everybody said, oh, don't worry, don't worry, that will be in the next bill. but, yeah, that was the third time they said that would be in the next bill. and pardon me for being suspicious about washington politicians, but don't worry, don't worry, when i hear them say don't worry, i worry deep inside. so they passed the small business bill, as soon as they passed it, by the way, before they even passed it, they turned around and say, oh, and i don't want to do state and local and forget the police and forget the fire and forget the school teachers and forget the health care workers, which is a totally different tune they said two days before when they were trying to pass the bill. because if they had said that before they would have never passed the bill. so, we are where we are now. bail out, this is not the time to be talking about dollars and

cents among members of a community that are trying to be mutually supportive and help each other. because helping each other is the way we actually all advance, right? so this is not the time to be saying, well, you put in a dollar more than i did. or i put in $5 more than you did. right. it's an acrognostic to the community of sharing and mutuality and sharing benefits and burdens. right. i'm wearing a mask to protect you. you are wearing a mask to protect me. that kind of sharing and mutuality is repugnant to this bailout, you got this much, i

got this much. but if you want to go to who is getting bailed out and who paid what, nobody would be bailing out new york state. new york state has been bailing them out every year for decades. if you want to do an analysis of who is a giver and who is a taker, we are the number one giver, the number one giver. nobody puts more money into the pot than the state of new york. we are the number one donor state. and if you want to look at who happened to be the donor states, who were the giver states, they are the same states that they are talking about now.

who were the taker states? kentucky, southeast part of the country. and, by the way, i understand we are one nation. you put into the pot what you need. i put in what i need. you take what you need. you take what you need. and that's the way it's always been. but if you actually want to call for an accounting, which i think is repugnant to this time, and i don't think it's constructive, and i don't think it's healthy, but if you want to call for an an accounting, you are making a mistake. because you lose if we do an accounting. you lose. and you happen to be 180 degrees wrong in what you are suggesting. >> reporter: so that phrase bailout is -- >> governor cuomo the governor

of new york ending on the last q&a on reporter on his grievance ws the federal government that he said should be helping states and cities, local governments hit hard by the coronavirus. mitch mcconnell has said he's skeptical about that aid. that fight continuing as the governor went through the numbers, he says intubations are down. hospitalizations are trending down. all in all new york city the epicenter of the coronavirus is looking better. most remarkably the governor discussed testing under way in new york. last year they released sample 3,000. much bigger up to 7500 workers. and joining us now in new york, sh what was most striking, there is some give in these, nearly 15% of people across the state of new york, if you believe these testing, have been exposed to the coronavirus. and where you are in new york

city 24.7% in this latest sample. 24.7% of new yorkers exposed to the coronavirus, city of 8 million people, that's a wow number. >> reporter: yeah, it's really a staggering number when you think about it. and i think a lot of officials here in new york city certainly suspected that to be the case. but there were many people walking around who though they weren't showing symptoms had the virus and continued perhaps even to walk around or to be home at this point who have the virus. and this is the big issue right here for new york city specifically about reopening the city. getting businesses back up and running. getting restaurants. getting salons, hair salons, barber shops up and running because we don't know how many people are actually infected with this virus. i thought it was really striking to hear the governor talk about how though this pause that we have going to may 15 he's now in the stages of developing this plan to unpause the city, that

he's going to extend, likely going to extend parts of it across the state likely in parts of new york city, one of those places he's probably going to extend the new york pause. of course, he's talking about the fact that at the tl couther second wave, second big point, there could be another wave, second wave in september, that is why he wants the javits center to remain as its, as a hospital, and also other locations that have these hospitals set up inside of them, he wants them to remain as they are. there sa big concern, clearly, from the governor, that we could see another wave come here in september with the flu season and of course coronavirus, john. >> right. the governor beginning like every goern to talk about the future, but a much more cautious tone from governor cuomo than we hear from some other governors. of course new york city hardest hit. joining me is cnn and physician

at cancer center in new york. doctor, i'm grateful you are here, because help me to put into context when you hear the governor say they started this testing around the state, finding people out of their homes to try to get a sense how much of a problem, what are we blind to? how much coronavirus is out there not showing up at a hospital or in your office? if 15% of the residents of the state have already been exposed to coronavirus and nearly 25% in new york city, what does that information mean for how you do your job today and tomorrow and for how any governor needs to think about a reopening plan? >> it's quite a staggering number, although it's not a surprise at all. it's actually the number most people predicted for new york city given the number of cases we've had. i think the practical part of it is that it's good news that indeed there is a lot of people who likely are immune in the short term against reinfection.

the difficult news is it's very far short of what we call herd immunity which is usually you need a proportion of people infected previous will i in the 50 to 75% range. once you hit herd immunity you can relax a little bit as a society. so we are very short of the magic herd immunity number. but we have got a lot of people in the city who have had the infection, gotten over it, and are possibly, and i emphasize possibly, good to go in terms of being protected. >> the possibly is another of the unknowns though in the sense we are just not sure if you do get immunity or resistance, i don't know what the right term is, how long does it last. but if you are a governor anywhere in the country and looking at data like this and your state doesn't have it yet, you see 25% just shy of that in new york city, you see a much higher among latino jumped in the last sampling, among african

americans number is still high. i know there is some pre-existing issues, health care economic issues, but also the fact city in the city latinos african americans are frontline workers. if the people going to work in this crisis 25% of them have had coronavirus. what must any goefrp do as they start to make decisions about sending people back to work? >> well, one of the biggest disappointments that we've said a lot is the failure to protect not just health care workers at the frontline, but food service workers, transportation workers, police, fire. so i think that collectively the society has failed to be diligent about protecting the frontline. now we are saying what about the next line of employees, of workers who serve society? and we don't seem to have a real plan there. the best plan is the same thing that everyone has been yapping

about for a long time which is we have to widely test for infection active and when we can for evidence of immunity. in the meantime, we have to keep social distancing, as borrowing and meddle somas it n as it is, have to provide masks and alcohol to wash hands with, all the ways that we are in the midst of doing now, just tone it down a little bit. i wish -- >> sime oo semesti'm sorry, go >> i wish the countries a little more actively. there is something about the american spirit asking germany how they are doing or australia or new zealand, places that have come through this and are weeks ahead of us. >> that has been one of the glaring observations, i'll just leave it there, that in most crisis you would think there

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with social distancing. overcoming challenges is what defines the military community. usaa has been standing with them, for nearly a hundred years. and we'll be here to serve for a hundred more. there is no white house coronavirus task force briefing today. instead, the president we are told will shift his focus more to the economic recovery this as his press secretary said the americans should expect the briefings to have a new look going forward. meanwhile deleting some bizarre tweets that he suggests there is no nobel prize for reporting instead he said noble, noble.

with me now is the washington bureau chief. i nominate both of you for your noble work as we go through this. it's a joke but it's not a joke, kaitlin. you are on the receiving end of some of this. president is getting blow back from senior republicans all around town saying stop it, sir. you are digging a ditch when you say things like can we inject people with disinfectant or will sunlight cure the virus in humans. yet he spent the weekend lashing out at reporters. what is going on inside his head? >> reporter: i think that's the reason you saw so much irritation coming from the president not only on friday but thing throughout the weekend on saturday and sunday. that's because there were very few people defend whag he had raised as a suggestion during that briefing ton thursday nigh. and widely panned not only doctors but democrats and other lawmakers on television. and the president according to the people we spoke with said he

was so frustrated he was internalizing the negative coverage. and that's what you have led to you have not seen the president in public since the briefing when he took no questions. they did not hold a briefing on saturday and yesterday. both pretty rare events for this white house. and since they have been doing these korn meetings. but john they also did not have a coronavirus meeting with the task force yesterday either. that's pretty rare as well. meeting basically every day since they were first assembled. so what you are seeing a shift inside the white house not only briefings but how they are going to be handling this going forward at least from public phasing aspect. >> and jackie one of the constants of this presidency but it has very much more meaning in a life and death situation like a pandemic is the president will say something reckless or dangerous, reckless in the case of can people ingest disinfectanting asking ex'ertz to look into that.

they say just ignore the president. i want you to listen here just two of the governors saying actually, no, it's a public health problem. >> i think it's critical that the president of the united states when people are really scared and in the middle of this worldwide pandemic, that in these press conferences that we really get the facts out there. and unfortunate lir some of the messaging has not been great. >> so we have seen increase in numbers of people calling poison control. so i think it's really important that everyone of us with a platform disseminate medically accurate information. >> the president spends his weekend lashing out at the media. the president should can talking to himself, right? >> reporter: well, i mean, first the explanation was that he was misunderstood or taken out of context. then he was being sarcastic. then it was everyone else's fault. yes so we also saw this when he was talking about some of the various drugs that he said would

help with coronavirus tan there hasn't been any scientific proof that that is in fact the case. yet you have people taking it. you had people hoarding it and people need those medications weren't able to get it. the idea that the president is going to start being careful here is a little bit farfetched at this point. perhaps that's why they decided to revamp how these briefings are done. initially these were, you had the scientists and some of the people on the front lines really talking about what people can do next in these briefings and the president had taken them over. perhaps they will go back to the experts actually briefing. but the fact of the matter is the governors some of the folks that you had speaking there are the ones who are elected to deal with the fallout when the president makes these recommendations or thoughts or whimsy, you know, random comments that people follow. >> and they also have to deal with the fallout of the president's misguided medical advice if you will. they also have to deal with the

fallout. the president and vice president had spoken to the georgia goefrp and they thought they were on board with his plan. then the president after listening to dr. fauci and birx said no georgia is going too fast too soon. and some cnn reporting on other governors particularly republicans looking around nervously what will the president say about my plan. quote, no governor wants to have the same wrath and him. there is talk of newer white house guidelines to come out. with are is t is the president going to weigh in on these plans or is it watch it play out? >> what we are hearing from sources what we can expect white house maybe to give out guidance which businesses should be opening and how they should be opening. different sectors of course. they all have to follow different guidelines. if you are a hair salon or grocery store or any kind of manufacturer opening up into a broader sense than you are right

now. so looking at guidelines for that. but one thing we still haven't gotten an answer from the white house, john, i should note i asked the president if companies would be liable if they their employees returned to work and then got sick snt president did not have an answer for us. but we know business leaders have been wanting to know that because they want to know. people going back to work if they are forced to go back to work and they feel pressure to return, what's going to happen there? we still have not got an answer from the white house. but we do know behind the scenes attorneys are looking into that. of course now we are start to go see some of the states open back up, but a lot of these businesses are looking for this kind of guidance they have not gotten yet. >> again, no briefing scheduled today. thank you both very much. more on the economic front now. moral relief is on the way for small businesses. federal loan program previously ran dry is now up and running.

applications today but there are already some issues. lauren whaerks the problem. >> reporter: some of the glitches we saw last time program rolled out, john, are coming up once again. i'm told from at least one industry source they are getting error system in the e tran system that they use to up load application information. and the sab ba is saying part o the slow down is they are trying to pace applications. they want to ensure no one is faster at up loading applications. they want to make sure everybody gets a fair shot. remember, in the last congressional package there was $60 billion for smaller lenders to make sure the money is going to businesses in smaller communities, in minority owned business, all of those things were issues when we started to see some of the publicly traded companies that were getting these loans, john. so early glitches on the

technical side this morning. and i'll tell you industry leaders very frustrated with what they view as the second opportunity for the sba to get this right. they are arguing there are major slow down issues that they are not happy about. >> not happy about it, lauren fox we know you'll stay on top of it. it's monday. we will keep an eye on it. very important. thank you very much. >> coming up colorado reopening plan starts today with elected surgeries and some real estate showings. keep elps your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. align, press and unzip. tide pods. keep them up. keep them closed. keep them safe. wayfair has way more ways to renovate your home, from inspiration to installation. like way more vanities perfect for you. nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles. pairing. ♪ nice. way more top brands in sinks and faucets.

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starting today colorado begins easing restrictions on some businesses. the state is reopening in stage moving from stay-at-home order to a more safer at home order. by friday barber shops and salons can reopen but must folsom reopening rules. gary in colorado. what are they seeing on the ground? ready to take customers. >> reporter: well, john, you mentioned barber shops are not open until friday. why are we here on monday? i'll explain it to you. you want to keep the regulations tougher and don't want to open anything today, you don't open anything and that's what they are doing. but they want to open more including barber shops. they were supposed to get a

variance to make it more liberal. and to have a variance you have to have a low number of covid cases or cases gone down 14 straight days. neither is the case here. so doesn't say weld county has asked for a variance, which is why this barber shop is open. this man right here jose is the owner. jose, i know it's confusing. you got a call from the state yesterday not to open. you talked to the regulatory department of the state today and they told you what? >> well, they told me, i called dora. >> dora is the regulatory department of colorado? >> yes. >> reporter: and they told you what? >> they said i could open up as long as the coupety said it was okay. >> reporter: and county said it's all right to open up? >> yes. >> reporter: so what are you doing for you to stay safe and customer? and we'll show a picture of the barber work in action. >> yeah, so what we are doing is you'll be able to see that we are using gloves, face masks.

after every haircut we use a different cape. then you can see we are sanitizing the whole chair after every customer. so that way we are making our customer feel secure. >> reporter: so you are not worried you'll get in trouble with the state? >> no. because they already approved it. they said it's okay. so, you no he, i kn know, i kno governor said something else. but i verified and recorded it when i made that phone call to dora. and they said that it was okay. >> reporter: jose, thank you for talking to us. this bar is not open at this point. no restaurants and bars in this county either. john. >> gary, on the ground, appreciate the live reporting. thank the hosts. some counties and cities in colorado are choosing to extend until at least may 8th including

the mayor. mayor, thank you for being with us today. first your thoughts on this? you are in a state governors say one thing, you just saw what was happening in the ground where a barber shop is open. if you are a resident are you worried people will get confused what's allowed and what's not? >> thanks for having me, john. yeah, confusion is a concern, obviously, and those of us who decided to open up later, which in other jurisdictions around the county. one of the things we are focused on is doing as much education as we can for the community. but you know what, this has been an ongoing communication with the governor. governor was aware we were going to extend. i did not hold that back from him. we were in communications on very regular basis, almost daily basis, and i told him i didn't feel like we were ready and more needed to be done before we ease ourselves out of it.

so communication has been important and communication will be important going forward to help ease the confusions and concerns of our constituents. >> that's encouraging i spent a lot of time thinking about georgia, and they said not only do they disagree, but there hasn't been a lot of back and forth. so good to hear you are having conversations. yesterday your colleague said was on state of the union with jake tapper. >> we are want to increase their capacity. we are a very big diverse state. denver 2500 cases, that's 5%. >> is that your biggest issue, you are still before you are comfortable opening your doors, you want more testing?

and you are getting the help you need? >> yeah, john, reality is this. what really hampered cities and county and states was lack of information about testing. you know the virus was in your community but we didn't have infrastructure for testing and didn't have the trinfrastructur for contact tracing. so what i instructed our team to do is why, why did we shut down in the first place. we wanted to build the infrastructure and want to make sure we can keep everyone healthy and safe within that infrastructure. so we want to test, double the testing capacity on basis in denver going from 500 to 1,000. we want to build our contact tracing team, contact tracer, now training them as of today. and we want to isolate those individuals. isolate individuals who are symptomatic and who test

positive and then we want to make sure we create the culture within our community that we can distance within the new infrastructure that we have. we are working as much for tomorrow and the fall, winter where we'll have the flu season as much as we are today. because we follow the foundational believe if this virus is not going away, it's going to remain with us for a while, we need to make sure we are building an infrastructure for the long haul, and that's exactly what we are trying to do for the long haul over the next two weeks. >> well, keep in touch and see if you are ready in those two weeks. mr. mayor, thank you for your time today. >> thank you, john. >> thank you. good luck. coming up falsely pegged the start of the coronavirus to one american woman and her life of course has been turned upside down since. hope isn't quarantined.

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a u.s. army reserveist has had her life turned upside down from conspiracy theories who said she's pandemic zero. joins us know with cnn exclusive. how did this american woman become the focal point of this international conspiracy theory? hey, john, you and i have talked about coronavirus conspiracy theory and the danger of people believing in them. but imagine being at the center of them and that is what is happening to maatje benassi she's a u.s. army reservice

among hundreds who competed in world games which is the military olympics that took place in wuhan, china last october. now that was of course sometime before the first reported cases of the coronavirus there. and maatje has no symptoms of the virus and not been diagnosed with the virus. but online conspiracy theorists have made her the starting character in that the u.s. is in some ways in of this. listen to this. >> it's like bad nightmare day after day. >> a couple of days ago i was diagnosed with a rare cancer. dealing with that situation is way easier than trying to deal with this george webb situation. >> you can hear how difficult this is for him.

who is behind all of it? well, it has gotten some play, as you mentioned in china. the government there is keen to deflect blame for their handling of the virus. but being pushed by american conspiracy on youtube 59-year-old named george webb. here is the theory of course is totally nonsense. yet it doesn't break youtube's rules. we have a statement. they told us that it was focused on promote tg accurate information on the coronavirus and would remove content. but, john, clearly youtube is not doing enough and has real consequences for maatje benassi. you remember the conspiracy theory that was tied to the time child sex ring being run out of a d.c. pizza place. a few weeks later someone showed up armed. they are fearful of that.

>> the rules are meaningless if they don't take down content that is wrong. appreciate the reporting. it is fascinating and proof that facts should matter. thank you very much. up next high rate of coronavirus deaths in u.s. nursing homes. more than 10,000 deaths linked to them. get four lines of unlimited for just $35 dollars a line and taxes and fees included. so what you see is what you pay every month. check it out at out t-mobile.com/4for35

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communities across the country try to stop the spread of coronavirus, nursing homes particularly vulnerable. kaiser foundation finds more than 10,000 people have died from coronavirus in nursing homes and that's only in the 23 states that are publicly reporting death data. to make matters worse, policies vary state to state and whether those who test positive are allowed to return. with me is mark parkinson. thank you for being here. the first cases were in a senior long-term facility in washington state. as you go through these daily briefings by the governors, we watched many of them this keeps coming up. help a person who doesn't understand the industry. should there be more a 5 alarm fire to rush into the homes nationally to do more to protect workers and residents? >> absolutely. i mean, it's a horrible tragedy. and what makes it even worse is we've known for two months that the emphasizes needed to be

placed on nursing homes and it hasn't been. our staffs are working 24 hours, double shifts, doing this for two months. but they can't do it alone. they need the resources to win the battle. so specifically we need testing. we are not at the top level of priority for testing. that needs to change

residents that. >> i say testing is the biggest need? >> yes. signs of covid is a priority

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international core responsib correspondent with international developments. >> here in london, boris johnson is back to work after two weeks in the intensive care unit where he was receiving treatment for coronavirus. speaking to journalists today he said there are many encouraging signs that the uk is starting to win the battle against kroens virus. -- coronavirus. he said they cannot lift restrictions yet and risk chances of a second wave of infection. one of the real tests will be increased testing. the government said by the end of the month, this thursday they will be able to test 100,000

people a day. as of saturday they were testing less than 30,000 a day. c cnn, london. >> here in italy, the prime minister has come out with details of phase two. the phase where coronavirus lockdown will ease which will begin a week from today. under phase two construction manufacturing, building maintenance and fashion production will be able to resume. this is important because it will allow those who don't have jobs at home to work and earn again. if there isn't a major resurgence of the virus, in two weeks, libraries, museums and stores selling nonessential goods will be reopen, but under strict guidelines. by the first of june if there

aren't a lot of new coronavirus cases, there will be another further easing of bars, restaurants and others to resume activity. again, with strict new guidelines, but the prime minister made it clear in a televised press conference that social distancing will remain. he said if you love italy, keep your distance. >> here in germany, most people are required to wear facemasks in going into a lot of places. in most of the country that means when using public transport and going into stores. in some parts of germany there are exceptions because there is a lot of federalism like the united states. angela merkel has warned that

the number of new infections decline, but that they do risk a new spike in cases if the germans don't continue to adhere to social distancing measures. germany. >> thanks for sharing your time. hope to see you back tomorrow. >> hi, there. i'm brook baldwin and you are watching cnn. boy, am i glad to be back. let me start with thank you. thank you for sending me so much love and prayers. covid-19 gave me a beating, physically and mentally for two weeks. then i took the third just to recoup. severe body aches, fever, chills. just ask my