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centers, camps, public transportation, and places of worship with the focus on hygiene practices and keeping people properly spaced apart. so we begin this hour with cnn's senior national correspondent kyung lah, and kyung, last hour, i was talking the our colleague martin savidge in atlanta who was sitting at his table in a restaurant because they have reopened, obviously, with precautions and he said it was a very lonely experience but that was georgia. you are there in los angeles. it's a different story. some states though are starting to open up. what are you seeing where you are? >> reporter: here, there isn't that discussion at all, really. there's a peek into the future, some of the words we're hearing from the governor but nothing substantive, at least in this state, but that's not the story in other parts of the country. what we are seeing is a loosening of state restrictions, a realtime experiment of the hunger to restart state economies, versus the
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coronavirus. from georgia to tennessee to alaska, the national push to reopen expands this week. at least 13 states will open parts of their economy. with as many sanitation preparations as possible in colorado, this barbershop is moving forward, desperate to get business back. >> we're going to be cautious. we need money. >> while many are following stay at home rules, there are signs of growing impatience. from newport beach in california, to people wanting haircuts, governors reopening their state to a dire need for economic relief. but doing that before 14 days of the declining coronavirus cases warns a coroner in georgia, it's a dangerous game. >> it's like playing russian roulette. every time you walk out of the house or go to a place without a mask and practice social distancing, you're playing russian roulette. there's a chance you might catch this virus. >> reporter: andrew cuomo seeing
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numbers plateau, turn to begin plans reopening first in upstate new york. >> may 15 is when the pause regulations expire statewide. i will extend them in many parts of the state, but in some parts of the state, some regions, you could make the case that we should unpause on may 15th. but you have to be smart about it. >> reporter: but the most important metric, testing and lots of it, is still not where it needs to be, warns the white house coronavirus response coordinator. >> we have to have a breakthrough. this rna testing will carry us, certainly, through the spring and summer, but we need to have a huge technology breakthrough and we're working on that at the same time. >> reporter: dr. birx adds, social distancing will be the rule through the summer. and for treatment, there is still no approved drug.
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a new york hospital system is trying out this untested remedy. high doses of the active ingredient in low cost heartburn medication pepcid after an unpublished chinese study expected positive results, despite the science, failing to keep up with the hunger to restart the u.s. economy, the white house economic adviser predicted testing would catch up. >> we'll be able to ramp up rapidly in the testing just as we did in ventilators. >> reporter: here's a warning about what we are seeing in the states as they're opening up. there is likely, very likely going to be a lag in our knowledge of whether they were right or wrong because remember, brooke, it takes two weeks, up to two weeks for coronavirus symptoms to show up. we may not know until two weeks after we see the results on the ground whether or not these governors were right. brooke? >> which can be the potentially
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frightening part of all of this. a doctor waiting in the wings. we'll talk to him about that, kung, thank you. dr. peter hotez is a professor and dean of medical, nice to see you again. welcome back. >> good to see you, welcome back. >> thank you. as we close in on a million cases of coronavirus in the u.s., dr. birx said social distancing will need to continue for months but as kung mentioned, in georgia, we see restaurants and movie theatres opening, some beaches in california are open, other states are outlining plans to reopen or revising stay at home policies. what's your biggest fear? >> one of the big fears, of course, is that we're doing this too soon and covid-19 will come back. if you look at the models coming out of the institutes for health metrics at the university of washington, one thing they do and anybody can do this, go to healthdata.org and click on your state with specific recommendations on when you can go back into containment mode,
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meaning fewer than one new case per million residents per day, which is about about what they believe you can handle in terms of the public health department with all the contact tracing that's needed and really keeping, going back to containment mode. for most states, that's around the beginning of june and some cases, the middle of june and now you have states opening up much sooner. so what this means is the only way you can really get away with that is if you have an entire system in place where you can do testing at places of work or wherever there's large numbers of people together, so regular testing on a weekly basis, maybe every other day basis, maybe a saliva test so it's not an invasive test. >> if i can just jump in because on the point of testing, dr. birx said we need a breakthrough innovation on testing in order to screen big groups of people. you just heard though, the clip from peter navarro over the
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ramp-up of test bug the firing t in late january. you've all been begging for more tests for months. what is the hold-up? >> the hold-up is a number of things. we haven't had tests that are rapid. we haven't had tests that are either very sensitive or specific. we've got false positives and negatives and now the problem with so many different types of commercial tests. how do you harmonize that? multiple different companies or state testing labs, academic labs. we've got to figure out a way to harmonize that quickly and we've got to be able to get this in the workplace. you don't want to have a situation where you're going to work. doesn't matter whether it works at target, walmart, you want to know they're not asymptomatic spreaders of covid-19. the only way to know that is test and then the contact tracing. we need public health departments to ramp up to have
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large numbers of individuals to go around individuals who are positive, not only isolate or quarantine them but their colleagues as well who have been exposed. and surveillance, so all that to get the communication. so you put all that together, it's doable but it's very complicated. >> it's a lot. >> it's a lot of people. >> it's a lot. and then just adding to all of what you just outlined, this weekend, there was a piece in the "washington post" about the number of young and middle age people who had mild covid-19 symptoms but are still dying of strokes. dying of strokes, and it's just one example of how this virus isn't just the threat to your respiratory systems but every major organ in your body and we also know symptoms vary widely. how much harder is it to develop a vaccine given the unpredictable nature of thisvir? >> well, there's a few things. you're absolutely right, we are seeing them among young adults and this was early on in the
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epidemic. the worker from china, mostly older individuals and still is the case who are getting sick but lots of young adults as well, and this is a virus that binds to what's called the ace2 receptor and causing events and we're now beginning to understand the full spectrum of the illness in terms of developing a vaccine, it's straightforward in the sense we know we have to interfere with virus binding to that ace 2 receptor through the immune response. that's how most vaccines work for covid-19 that are either in preclinical studies or now moving into clinical trials hopefully like ours, but how you do it in a way that's the most effective and safe, that's going to take at least, maybe longer to work out. so we've got to have that strategy in place of what you do if you're bringing back to people in the workplace before we have that vaccine and it's not trivial. it's doable, but what we're seeing now, governors
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increasingly are putting together economic recovery teams that's completely delinked to the public health component, oblivious to the fact this virus is going to come back this summer unless we put that public health system in place, so that's why i'm worried. everyone's focused on the economic recovery but if you don't link it to public health, the whole thing will fall apart by summer or fall. >> to your point, there are things we knew about this virus and targeting certain people, didn't have to worry about the kids, they would seemingly be immune but today, we're getting this urgent alert from the uk, doctors are warning that kids with severe coronavirus are also having very serious complications including what they say is the kawasaki syndrome. what is that and how threatening could this be? >> this is a very interesting story. a rare event happening in the uk but describing kids coming in who have difficulty breathing, low blood pressure, appear to be in shock, septic shock, and they
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have a unique rash, which resembles somewhat this condition known as kawasaki's disease, which has been an issue for decades. we think it has infectious e deemology but elusive in identifying the virus. when you go back to the ckawasai literature, it goes to coronavirus, binding to the same ace 2 receptor so maybe we're going to make some progress on uncovering the cause of kawasaki's but it's another very worrisome trend we see young kids getting sick as well. bottom line, this is not a virus to take lightly. this is a serious illness and we have to be able to do that contact tracing and testing on a scale that's larger than what we're doing currently, if we're going to safely open up the country. >> not to oversimplify, having
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had it and talked to so many people who have had it, it's not a cookie cutter virus. every single person is experiencing this so differently. dr. hotez, thank you so much for all you're doing and nice to have you back on. coming up, she lost the fight to keep her town's beaches closed leading to a surge in visitors over the past weekend. the mayor of tybee island, georgia, next. serious questions raised about the reliability of antibody tests, the same tests officials looking atia aba guide decision. the coronavirus took her 32-year-old husband, father of their children. this wonderful woman joins me this hour to see the good-bye note she accidentally found on her husband's phone after he passed. you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin, we'll be right back.
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folks in georgia going out for dinner tonight. allowing diners to open and bowling alleys and salons open friday. martin savidge with a look at how today's rollout is going. >> reporter: i'm martin savidge in georgia. round two of reopening, this time covering restaurants allowing people to dine in. judge big the waffle house here, which is part of the chain, opened at 6:00 a.m., a vast majority of customers have decided they're going to carry out, thank you very much. only about a handful of customers actually took advantage of being able to dine in. it's clear, though businesses are ready to open, many
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customers are not quite ready to return. >> thank you, martin savidge. one place, georgians are ready to return to, the beach. even as the governor kept beaches open in his shelter in place order, something my next guest calls, quote, a reckless mandate. shirley sessions the mayor of tybee island near savannah. pleasure to have you on, welcome. >> pleasure to be here. >> over this weekend, tybee island saw its busiest beach day of the year so far. were you happy with what you saw and were people social distancing? >> saturday was the busiest day. we saw over 6,000 cars come on to the island and previous numbers were maybe 3,000, so saturday was very busy, and there was not a lot of social distancing. there were people who continued to go through the sand dunes, rather than using the designated
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areas that tybee has set up for entrance. we still have our crossovers closed because they don't allow safe spacing, 6 feet spacing. so they're closed and people still want to cross over those. so what we're going to do this week is we're going to revisit what we can do to keep people safe. we still -- >> what can you do, mayor sessions? what can you do to force people to sit x number of feet away from each other? >> there's really nothing that we can do. i mean, as the governor asked, he wanted people to be able to exercise on the beach, meaning walking, and running. but with no chairs and with no tents, but unfortunately, people are still bringing those. our department of natural resources have been designated officials to enforce that and right now, really all they're doing is just warning people to
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not do it. as i understand it, they're not giving citations. tybee island police department has a different role to play, so it's very confusing and very alarming for many of our residents who have chosen to remain at home or to visit and walk and get their exercise in other ways. >> i know you have thoughts on this. i just want to read some quotes because i know you have a reputation for certainly speaking your mind. which is appreciated. here's some quotes from some beach goers. how long are we supposed to imprison ourselves is this this is much safer than going grocery shopping. another person, i'm not concerned as long as it's not packed and when asked about businesses reopening, one man said, get it on. mayor sessions, what do you say to these beach goers? >> what i say is, this is about safety, it's about trying to protect you and your family and
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your loved ones. if you choose not to do that, if you choose not to wear a mask, if you choose not to distance, no one can stop you. i mean, they really can't. it's just very unfortunate that people are becoming complacent because that's really what we're seeing, a lot of people who are so anxious to get out, and i understand. i want to go to the beach and swimming. we do not have life guards at our beach. we have very dangerous rip currents that we've lost lives over the last few years because people refuse to follow directions and rules. so there are some things you simply cannot do. i have come to accept the things that are not under my control, rather, i'm trying to work with our city council, our residents and our businesses to look at what we can control and try to take a positive approach and try to continue to warn people, this
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is, we're not warning you because we don't want you here. we're warning you to save your life and the lives of others. >> sure, of course. and governor kemp, if i may dump back in, governor kemp, you may not agree with him and certainly clashing with him is certainly something you are familiar with. i know you feel deeply about protecting this precious island off the coast of georgia, but at the end of the day, he is the governor. so legally -- >> exactly. exactly. and this is nothing personal against governor kemp, nothing personal. this is strictly about safety, and i don't know what he looked at in deciding to make these decisions. we are trying to adhere to the best of our ability to what he has asked us to do, but at the same time, using what power we do have, which is very limited, to protect our residents and to
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help our business community. we want them back at work too. but not before the safety zone has passed. and right now, i don't feel that it's time, however, he has determined that it is, so we're going to do everything that we can to try to keep our island and our residence, our businesses, and our visitors safe. that's what we're going to do. >> we appreciate it. good luck doing that. mayor shirley sessions, tybee island, thank you. speaking of georgia, two counties in georgia have decided to begin random door to door antibody testing, but are those tests even accurate? i wanted to talk to an expert, after one study found only three out of 14 available tests was actually consistently reliable. plus, new zealand claims it has, their word, eliminated coronavirus, but it's reopening will still come in phases.
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a lot of people are pinning their hopes on antibody tests to get back to work and the economy back up and running. these tests look at whether people have been infected and subsequently have antibodies. a lot of uncertainty surrounding them at the time. it's not clear how long one's immunity lasts as the white house task force's dr. bdeborah
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birx announced to cnn. >> what w.h.o. is saying is we don't know how long that effective antibody lasts and i think that is a question that we have to explore over the next few months, and over the next few years. >> "the new york times" reports, dozens of scientists evaluating whether 14 antibody tests now on the market are reliable and the results are falling short. scott hensley, associate professor of microbiology at the university of pennsylvania. thank you so much for being on with me. i want to ask you first about the reliability of the antibody tests and just total transparency, this is my first day back at work after recovering from coronavirus and currently trying to find an accurate fda approved antibody test and i just read this piece over the weeks and the "times," 14 antibody tests, only three had consistently reliable
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results and then only one of the three didn't deliver a false positive. so my takeaway is that we're still very much in the wild west. are we not? >> brooke, that's one way to put it. i'm glad to hear you're feeling better, and yeah, there's so many tests out in the market right now, and some of them are probably pretty good and others not so good, and the antibody testing, it's important to think about as we come back together as a society and it's unfortunate the market has been flooded with some tests that are just not accurate. >> help me understand. use me as an example. i had covid. a couple of days ago, tested negative to come back and do what i'm doing. if i took an antibody test and came back positive, does that mean i'm immune? >> okay, so yeah, let's take you as an example. i think you're up in new york, right? >> yep. >> 100 people in new york, we take the blood from those 100 individuals and run a test. if there's a 5% false positive
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with that test, that means five of those 100 people we just tested are going to become positive but weren't really exposed. let's say prevalence in new york is it a true 5%, out of the five percent, there will be five real positives, so five false positives, five real positives. that's ten out of a hundred people in the example i just laid out for you that would be positive in the test. half of those are going to be real positives and half will be false positives. if your test has a 5% false positive rate, it's like flipping a coin. if you're positive in the test half the time, it's going to be a real and then a false positive. >> that hurt my head a little bit, i'm trying to stay with you, but just being honestly. bottom line, how should people feel about these antibody tests because so many people are clamoring to get your hands on them because they want to get back to work and quote unquote normal? >> that's right.
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i think what we have to do is evaluate the tests and identify which ones have low false positive rates, because the last thing we want to do is to give information to someone and tell them they have antibodies but they really don't. now, the things you just talked about leading into this segment are true. we don't really know, even if the test is accurate, we really don't know the level of antibodies that are going to be responsible for protection. we don't know how long-lived an individual's antibody response will be, and there's likely going to be some variation among different individuals. my advice is to, let's enter this slowly. i think in the next week or two, it's not going to take a lot of time. we'll have a better idea which of these tests are reliable and which are not to be used. so let's just end this with
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this. where are you when it comes to these tests? where are you confident, really confident? >> i'm confident with the kind of test that is we're doing in my lab at penn and these are very accurate. they're quantitative. the problem with these tests, it's hard to scale them up for the whole population. so in order to really get the accuracy and get the sort of point of care test people want, that's where it becomes a challenge, and so again, i think we just have to evaluate these point of care tests, these tests that give results very quickly and benchmark them against these more reliable tests and at that point, then we can use this information and be more confident about it. >> a huge thanks to you and those folks in your lab at penn, professor hensley for doing this work and finding help for all of us. i really appreciate it. personally, appreciate it. thank you, thank you. coming up next, a 32-year-old father and husband
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coronavirus, turned the world upside down. so many families lost loved ones. many times without even being able to say good-bye and that was the case for katie kualo. while she didn't get the chance to say good-bye to her 32-year-old husband, he left her a note in an unexpected place. his phone. and in it, i'll read this note for you. he wrote this. i love you guys with all of my heart and you've given me the best life i could have ever asked for. i am so lucky, it makes me so proud to be your husband and the father to braden and penny. katie, you are the most beautiful caring nurturing person i've ever met. you are truly one of a kind. make sure you live life with
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happiness and that same passion that made me fall in love with you. seeing you be the best mom to the kids is the greatest thing i've ever experienced. let braden know he's my best bud and i'm proud to be his father and for all the amazing things he's done and continues to do. let penelope know she's a princess and can have whatever she wants in life. he writes, i'm so lucky, don't hold back and if you meet someone, know that if they love you, and the kids, that i love that for you. always be happy. no matter what. katie joins me now, and katie, just my most sincere condolences to you and the sweet kids. how are you holding up? >> i feel i'm on the outside looking in. i think i haven't really sat down and decided to accept that
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this is what life is, but it's really, it's awful. i didn't ask for this life. i don't want this life without him, so it's just, it's really difficult. >> those words. i mean, the way he talked about your kids and the way he says, don't hold back if you meet someone. they love you, i want that for you. how do those words sit on your heart? >> i understand why he said them, but i wish he hadn't because there's no one that will ever come close to jonathan in any sense of the word, whether a son, an uncle, a friend, a father, or a husband, but i know he knew that i wasn't going to be okay and i know he wanted to
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ease my heart, but there's no one that could ever come even remotely close to him. >> what a, just a selfless thing for a husband to say, knowing that perhaps the end was near for him. how did you even find this note? >> so once we had left the hospital, they had given me all of his belongings and my husband's very anti-technology, so he didn't have an icloud. so i know his phone is okay. i know that there was nothing going to happen to it, but in my state of mind, the first thing i wanted to do was get all the pictures because i know that there are pictures that parents take with them and their kids that they forget to share with their significant other. so i wanted all of those and when i pulled up his phone, i turned it on, the call log was up because he had been trying to call me the morning he was
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intubated, and i cleared that out, and my dad was standing in the living room with me. i was on the couch and i saw, it had some personal information on it, and then underneath it, i started reading it and i just started screaming, he left me a note and i called his parents and i said, he left me a note, he left us a note, and it was just, he knew that this is how jonathan is, i would have never gone through his notes. there was no reason for me to ever go through his phone, so for him to leave that up, he knew that if something happened, i needed to be able to find that, and i know he would have deleted it if everything had been okay, there would have been no reason to say those things, but he knew, he was such a planner, and a preparer, and wanted to make sure we were okay. >> he knew. he knew.
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>> he has always known what i needed and what our kids needed and he has always made sure that he's taken care of us. >> katie, how did he get sick? >> i'm not sure exactly what happened. i know that because of both of my children, my daughter being an infant and my son being medically complex, we had self-quarantined as much as possible. the week before the pandemic really started to hit connecticut, before there were any closing down small businesses or anything like that, or social distancing, so we had already elected to stay home, cancel my son's therapies, not see anyone, and my husband just was doing what he had to do to take care of his family, and it just happened so fast. >> meaning, he went to work?
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what did he do? >> yeah, he was a probation officer for the state of connecticut. >> so when you say he needed to provide for his family, he needed to show up every day and go to work? >> yeah, just like everyone who's an essential worker, no matter if you work in a grocery store or the judicial field or a doctor, in order to keep going and providing for people, essential workers have to go to work, so my husband knew and quanti wanted to do that. he loved his coworkers and boss, loves being a probation officer. so he was afraid of getting sick, no matter how it would end up happening, but he just knew, he loved going to work, so yeah, i don't really know and i wish -- >> it's okay.
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people ask how, it's almost impossible to know how you got sick, right? but the bottom line is, he got sick, he got very sick, and he ends up in the hospital. did you, i mean, was it quick, the decline of his immune system? what happened? what did doctors say to you sf. >> my husband's symptoms starting at home were very mild until 12 hours before he ended up in the hospital. the respiratory symptoms really started to affect him and became concerning. he had none up until 12 hours before he was told to go to the hospital, and when they tell you when somebody's in the hospital with covid, it's a roller coaster, it was a roller coaster. my husband was taken off the ventilator at one point, and then reintubated. i was told on easter sunday, i needed to prepare my family that
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his kidneys had failed, that my husband was the sickest person on the floor, and then you had 104.7 fever and then within 48 hours, my husband's fever broke. they were taking him off sedativ sedatives, he was communicating by nodding his head and we had a plan and he was doing so well. and i know the statistics with people being on ventilators in general, people being on ventilators over 14 days, people on ventilators whose kidneys fail. i know that, and i wasn't immune to that, but my husband was doing so well, and within five hours of me calling and checking on him, he was gone. >> that's awful. >> yeah. i don't know -- none of it, it doesn't make sense for everyone but doesn't make sense to me. >> i don't want to keep you too much longer but tell me about your husband, how old are your
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kiddos and what exactly will you tell brayden and penny about their dad? >> so my children, brayden is 2 and penelope is 10 months. i sat them down the morning that my husband passed and just told them that daddy was very sick and he fought really hard to come home, but god needed him, but he's always going to be here and we talk to him every night. i say, let's say good night, dad, tell him he had a good day and i will never let them not know what an amazing human being their father is and how much he loved them and how fun and goofy and loving and he was, if the new england patriots were the second or third love of his life and if he could talk only in office one liners, that's just
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how we were and he was my teammate and my best friend and i'm going to spend the rest of my life missing that, but making sure that their kids know that because every kid should grow up knowing that the people that raised them loved them and were a good team and my husband and i will always be a good team. >> sounds like you were a lucky woman to have shared as much of your lifetime as you have with him. i do want to just close by, listen, a lot of people need help and there's no shame in that and there's a gofundme page set up for you and your sweet children up to nearly $800,000. what will you use this money for? how can people help you? >> well, i never asked for a gofundme to be set up. my husband would have been like, i can take care of us.
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but i stay home to take care of my son who is medically complex and this will just be able to make sure that we're okay. it's going to help my husband rest a little bit, because i know him going, he was most afraid that we wouldn't be okay. he would always say, i'm so afraid something will happen to me and not going to be able to take care of you and the kids, so i appreciate everyone so much and this, i would give it all back just to see him again, but i appreciate that they want to take care of us. >> i appreciate you. i appreciate the strength that you've shown just talking to me on live national television, speaking so lovingly about him and your family. thank you. you will be in our prayers and the kindness of strangers is something special through all of, katie, thank you. we'll be right back. >> thank you so much.
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new zealand prime minister is declaring a cautious victory over coronavirus. new cases in the country are down to the single-digits. for more let's check in with our correspondents around the world. >> i'm clarissa ward in london where prime minister boris johnson is back at work more than two weeks after being released from the intensive care unit of saint thomas hospital where he was being treated for the coronavirus. the prime minister spoke to reporters here earlier today. he said that there were encouraging signing that the u.k. is close to succeeding against covid-19 but warned it
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is a moment of maximum risk and that restrictions need to stay in place to prevent a second wave of infection. >> reporter: i'm ben wedeman in rome where the prime minister announced one week from today the lockdown will begin to ease. construction and manufacturing will begin and funerals with a limit of 15 people per funeral and given that more than 26,000 people have died from coronavirus, it's expecting that the churches will be very busy. >> reporter: i'm melissa bell in paris, here in france the country is under par shall lockdown for several weeks and the police in paris and france and making sure people are still respecting what the french call the confinement. they only leave to go to the
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supermarket or the pharmacy or for essential work and they have the proper paperwork on them. that is what the police check. the special form that you fill out in this country before you leave the home. already authorities say they've given out nearly a million fines. >> reporter: i'm scott mcclain in madrid where the streets look a lot different. they're filled with kids. today is the second day that kids have been allowed to play outside on the street for an hour aday with a parent. so long as they steer clear of neighbors. parks and playgrounds are still closed. this small bit of freedom for children is floated as a trial balloon to see how quickly spain can further loosen restrictions. right now the number of active infections is shrinking and if that trend continues seniors will be allowed out to exercise beginning this weekend. >> thanks to all of you. coming up, u.s. military reservist is getting online death threats after a conspiracy
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hello, everyone, i'm kate baldwin thank you for joining me today. steps to reopening are happening now. but are they reopening too soon. they say they are ready but are they. these are the big questions today and each state is being left to answer them in their own way. governors across the country are outlining paths to reopening portions of their states. today more than a dozen states are allowing some form of business to restart. some retail, some restaurants. even some movie theaters but as the nationwide death toll is past 55,000 and the number of confirmed cases is beginning to approach 1 million, are these stat