good evening. i'm erin burnett. welcome to a special edition of outfront. the breaking news, the number of deaths related to coronavirus in the u.s. is now more than 56 therein. a grim milestone reached just this past hour, and it comes as president trump rolls out the administration's plan now for ramping up testing across the country. the president, trying to paint the united states as a global leader on coronavirus testing but according to a white house official, the goal is to help

each state reach the ability to test at least 2% of its residents, over a month. i just spoke to the director of the harvard global health institute, dr. ashish jah, he said at that rate, it would take four years to test every american. at minimum, the administration needs to be doing at least double what it is doing now per day. the administration is now trying to shift the focus to testing after last thursday's briefing where the president suggested injecting disinfectants into the body as a possible treatment. tonight, the president was asked about the spike in people using disinfectants since he said that. >> i know you said they were sarcastic. >> i can't imagine why. i can't imagine why. yeah. >> take any responsibility? >> no, i don't. i can't imagine that. i can't imagine that. >> well, he doesn't take responsibility. he can't imagine why maryland, tennessee, illinois, michigan, all reporting an increase in poison-control calls. let's just remind everybody exactly what he said at that briefing. >> right. and then i see the disinfectant,

where it knocks it out in a a minute. one minute. and is there a way we can do something like that by injectioinjection inside or -- or almost a cleaning. >> that dangerous and bizarre claim caused aides to try to convince the president to just back off the daily briefings. just don't do them. but the president, tonight, was back at the podium. jim acosta's live outside the white house. so, jim, what are you learning about -- you know, the president was on twitter saying these are not worth my time. i'm not doing these briefings, and then he was back. so what's behind this on again/off again situation? >> erin, perhaps he just can't quit us. that may be one explanation. but i suspect that the explanation that makes the most sense is that the white house wanted to get this testing message across. that they were trying to get a handle on testing for the k coronavirus across the country but even during the press conference, you heard the president at one point say testing is not going to be a

problem at all as they were laying out this testing blueprint for the country. but, erin, back on march 6th, the president said anyone who wants a test can get a test. those were his words. the administration never met that test. they fell millions of tests behind where they expected to be. and, even in this blueprint for testing for the coronavirus that they laid out this evening in the rose garden, at one point, in the documents given to us by the white house, it scridescrib the federal government as being, quote, the supplier of last resort, when it comes to testing materials. and so there is some burd burden shifting going on. the administration wants the burden to be shifted over to the states but if you look at what a recent harvard study just concluded in just the last couple of days, erin, it shows more than half the states across the country have to step up their testing in order to be able to safely relax their stay-at-home orders. yes, you heard the president take some questions tonight. he was asked, as you mentioned just a few moments ago, about that bizarre suggestion that americans could inject themselves with disinfectants to fight off the coronavirus.

and he said he didn't take any responsibility. but, really, erin, he didn't answer many of the questions that much asked in the rose garden. he was taking questions, just wasn't answering them. in terms of the press conference we saw take place in the rose garden today. first, the white house was saying they weren't -- they were going to have a press conference. then changed this morning to say they weren't going to have a press conference. and, finally, that they would have a press conference. sort of a haphazard communications strategy over here, which is kind of baffling given you saw this importantly message they wanted to get across this evening. but i think perhaps the best explanation as to why the president held this news conference was summed up by a trump advisor i spoke with earlier today, who said he just can't give up this captive audience that he has every evening, between 5 and 7:00. he knows people are going to be tuning in. and as we've seen many, many times, erin, he has tweeted act the about these ratings. he is well aware. >> jim, thank you.

i want to bring in david gergen, dr. leana wen former baltimore city health commissioner, and john king. thanks to all. so, david, let me start with you. the president tweeting, this weekend, that these briefings were, quote, not worth his time and effort. that,ve, didn of course didn't . he was back out today. nobody -- they just don't see things like that disinfectant doing any -- anything good for him. >> they're right. >> what do you make of what we saw this evening? >> listen. i think it's a form of addiction. addictions are hard to give up. but, beyond that, i do think that it -- it -- acosta was right and, that is, they wanted to get the message out about their testing plans. they finally have a plan. been looking for that. but the testing plan has been so inadequate. dr. ja, from harvard, well-respected, has pointed out they're bragging because they moved from 150,000 tests to --

to 200,000 tests a week. what we need, minimum, is 500,000 and that's the bottom of the spectrum. that's -- that's minimum, minimum, minimum we can get. i think, overall, it's just astonishing how they keep bragging about what they're doing. when the country has just suffered one of the worst months in american history. as you reported, 56,000 died. more than that. this past month. more than we lost in vietnam. that's where we're heading. we have another 26 million americans who are unemployed. it's nothing to be bragging about. that's something to be sort of trying to unify the country which, again, he's not doing. >> dr. wen, i want to just, you know, as the point david says, you know, sort of astonishing. what is your make -- your take on this testing? you know, dr. ja was just saying, you know, you went from 150 to 200. that's, directionally, good. that's good. but it's not a good, absolute number. he is saying you need to be at 500, and he's like and a lot of people are saying i'm extremely

conservative and i acknowledge that i am extremely conservative, with 500. r 500 is probably too low, but they are bragging about 200. >> yeah. we've been behind on testing this entire time. and that's the reason, actually, why we had to close everything down because we don't know exactly where all these cases are in the country. so we had to use this blunt instrument, which is what social distancing is. now, the time we can remove that blunt instrument and go back to tracing each individual case is if we could be sure of our numbers. and we're nowhere near that. and we're still nowhere near that with the administration's new plan. so i am really worried. i mean, i'm worried that they're still not acknowledging why widespread testing is needed, and what levels that would need to be. they're also not acknowledging the role of the federal government. i mean, it just doesn't make sense for there not to be a national coordinated effort, at this point. and i hope that the administration's going to spend more time, going forward, on --

not on justifying why more tests aren't needed but, instead, on what they're going to be doing to help states and particularly those on the front lines. patients and doctors. to get these results. >> right. and they're saying there, the supplier of last resort. that's the role they want to be. last resort. not first go to. so, john king, the president out there talking about testing. also, you know, it came up sort of the person who used to be there. who is not there anymore when it comes to the briefings would be the health and human services secretary alex azar. right? early on, he was sort of the main player. in charge of the task force for a brief while. downplayed the impact of the virus similar to what the president did. the president was asked about azar today. here's what he said. >> i think it's a very unfair question because you have many great professionals. some of them, you have great respect for -- and you many people in the other party -- you mention alex azar but you have many people in the other part

who have said the same thing with more confidence so a lot of people didn't get that right. i was very fortunate, whether it was through luck or whatever, we closed the border. put a ban on china. >> obviously, 40,000 people came through after that ban. but what's your reaction to that, john? >> well, he's right. other politicians, in both parties, did underestimate this at the beginning. and their constituents have every right to ask them questions about this and hold them accountable. they have every right. he is the president of the united states. he has access to more intelligence, more experts, more global intelligence, than any person on planet either. secretary azar. the president did put that travel ban on china. as you know, had some loopholes. but the president said in late january, this will not be a pandemic. he said after that, 15 cases, zero. i could go on for an hour. all the things that proved he was underestimating or refusing to take seriously or at least

refusing to publicly acknowledge, in his election year, there might be a global and national crisis. so the president. yes, he did the china thing and he wasted february, otherwise. one quick thing act this testing point. these briefings are kind of surreal. did you hear anything today in the presentation that you haven't heard from dr. wen last month? that you haven't heard every time you've talked to a mayor, every time you have talked to a governor. they have been screaming for this help. then the white house comes out today with this briefing. if it's the only thing you watched, you'd say, oh, wow, look at that. a plan. it tracks everything the governors, mayors, the public health officials have been for months. the issue is there is often a difference between the show of the white house, and then the tell. the tell is what those mayors, what dr. wen, what the other experts tell us after the fact. let's hope, this time, a week from now, we're saying, hey wow, the governors are saying this time it works. this time, they're getting us supplies. we have a problem, they're answering. but it simply hasn't been the case in the past. >> dr. wen, over the weekend, dr. birx said on meet the press,

quote, we have to realize we have to have a breakthrough innovation in testing. dr. ja was talking about that and he sort of interpreted that as she's hoping on innovation because she's basically realized that this administration is inkai incapable of doing what is needed on testing. do you think that was really that sort of admission from dr. birx? >> i don't know what her true intention was. but it sounded like it was justifying why we're not producing enough of the tests that we do have. i mean, we do have the ability to produce existing tests. this antigen test she's talking about, it might be a breakthrough. but, look, there are tests we need to be doing right now. people need to know, if i have symptoms of covid-19, do i have this disease or not? currently, we're not able to give every patient, who wants to know, that answer. and we're not able to test asymptomatic people. we know that asymptomatic transmission is a big issue, but we're not able to test people and find out what is the true rate of covid-19 in the communities where they live?

those are existing tests. we don't need to wait for a breakthrough in order to manufacture more of these tests. we just have to have the political will and determination from our federal government in order to do that. >> i guess to your point, even new jersey, one of the main testing centers still says no symptoms, no test. surn certainly, the state of new jersey doesn't want that. they done have the number of tests to provide asymptomatic random testing. so, john king, is this what we're going to continue to see by the president? and by the way, i should note the briefing was not only on and off and then on. but he did it in the more formal rose garden, right, where he wanted to give a chance for the ceos to sort of tout them and their relationships with him. >> right. we have seen the tension inside the briefing room. he often has tension. whether it's with dr. birx, even more so with dr. fauci. they say one thing, the president disagrees. or the president says something. they have to disagree. look. the president has a very healthy ego, to put it mildly. david has worked with several

presidents. that's part of the trade. every president has a big ego. every politician has a big ego. but this president, what did he do? he changed the script so a parade of ceos can walk up to the microphone and tell him how great he is. that is the most important thing to the president of the united states, in the middle of a pandemic. as david just noted, we are at vietnam-level numbers in terms of the deaths. 50,000-plus just this month. this is the month the president of the united states said it would go away. it would be gone, in theory. and the most important thing to him, today,was to prove to the press i'd still come out even though i said it'd be a waste of time. but first i'm going to have a parade of people come up and tell me how great i am. >> thank you all very much. next, the governor of texas saying he will allow the state to begin reopening this week. the number of coronavirus casesve cases of course still on the rise in texas. we are going to talk to a dallas county official, who says it is too fast. plus, the world health

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cases is still rising in texas. ed lavandera is in dallas tonight. and, ed, health officials have warned the risk of end social distancing too soon. some experts of course say the testing is not where it needs to be. but governor abbott thinks this is the right time. what's the rationale he's put out? >> look, the fact of the matter is the governor is under a great deal of political pressure, across the state, to reopen the economy. and you get a sense from hearing a lot of state leaders that they expect some or are prepared for some uptick in the number of coronavirus cases, here in this state. we're standing in the middle of a parking lot of a popular movie theater, here in northeast dallas. completely empty. and the governor says that places like this, movie theaters, restaurants, malls, and other retail stores, will be allowed to reopen on friday. after the stay-at-home order is lifted on thursday. but only at a 25% capacity. the governor also says what is not included in this next phase

of opening is hair salons, barbershops, gyms, that sort of thing. and those won't be allowed, perhaps, to be reopened until mid-may. but as you mentioned, erin, still a great deal of concern about the testing and the quality of testing that is being done here, in texas. state officials say that, by early may, they expect to be doing 25 to 26,000 coronavirus tests per day. but there is a lot of question whether that is enough, at this point, to prevent another spike in cases breaking out here in this state. and what is also interesting, erin, neighboring louisiana, the governor there, this afternoon, also extended their stay-at-home order until mid-may. erin. >> ed, thank you very much. i want to go to dallas county judge clay jenkins. and, judge, you voted to extend the order until may 15th. you had 100 new cases just this morning. 3,100 in total. 84 deaths. you, obviously, think that the governor is -- is moving too fast by doing this more than two

weeks ahead of where you thought would be appropriate. >> well, yeah. it's faster than i would like. and i think what i've done is i've -- i've taken that document that we didn't get a preview of. and i've given that to the public health authority and he is meeting, tonight, with the heads of epidemiology and infectious disease for our local hospital systems, and i'm waiting for them to report back. i think what we know is that, when you look at other science-based plans, movie theaters are not one of the first thing that's opened. and so i think it's going to be incumbent on the residents here to use good, smart decision-making. and just because something can be open doesn't mean it should be open. and just because something is open doesn't mean you should go there. >> so how does this -- this -- this work? i mean, obviously, the government has the ultimate authority in the state, right? so you may not degree but it supercedes so they can open if they want. 25% capacity. how does that even get enforced?

i mean, i guess, in a movie theater, that would be easier to enforce than in a shopping mall, frankly. i mean, how do you even do 25%? and how do you enforce it? >> well, so the governor says 25%. but, then, the ways that people go about achieving that, in his open texas book, are completely voluntary and up to the business. we'll look at ways. we'll work with local businesses, here, and we'll look for -- for rules that we can come up with so that the workers and the people that go to these places, if they go there, will be more safe. but i think the question people have to ask themselves, first, is, given that most public health officials and scientists in the united states say it's not safe to go to a movie and places of substantial spread, like we have here in dallas and down in houston. do you really need to go to a movie right now? >> so what -- what -- why do you think governor abbott did this right now? i mean, i just want to make it

clear. the white house model for -- that they keep citing for when things would reopen. the white house model, itself, says texas should not relax social distancing until june 8th. so they're not -- it's not as if governor abbott is going with the white house model. why do you think he is doing this now? >> well, i don't want to speculate on what's going through his mind. i'll tell you that what -- what i am doing, and what i hope others will do, is base it completely on the science. you know, we're not experts in science, we, elected officials. we've got to rely on the public health, infectious disease, epidemiology experts to tell us what is the best way to keep you safe? because job one is keeping you safe. and that's the best way we'll be able to open our economy, and keep it open is to keep you safe. >> so what do you say to people in dallas, who are, you know, debating what to do? because, you know,there are some people, no matter where they are in this country. but, certainly, this is how some people approximate are going to

feel on friday. they're going to feel like the thing to do to help build their communities is to try to support those businesses that are reopening. right? but they don't want to do that if they are going to get sick or get anyone else sick. but there is going to be immense pressure, from a patriotic point of view, to try to support those businesses. >> well, the political decisions may change. but what you need to do is focus on the science. and listen to what the public health experts say. if the public health experts tell you something's not safe to do it, even if it's legal to do it, and even if there's a business that will allow you to do it, don't do that. and we have to realize that, when we make these decisions, it has an impact on the rest of the community. so the idea that those of us who want to stay home, can. and those of you who want to crowd into a restaurant can do that. or movie theater. can do that. the problem is that we all live very close to one another, and the decisions of one may have a very bad impact on another.

and so i think it's, as i talked about early on, it's operation protect nana and grandpa. we have got to keep making those good decisions. thank you very much, judge jenkins. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> and out front next. new york's governor saying that almost a quarter of the people in new york city have the antibodies for coronavirus. so could that be right? i'm going to speak to the experts, who have been studying this virus from the beginning. and young coronavirus patients with mild conditions, suddenly, suffering severe strokes. i am going to speak one expert, studying this alarming reality. why is it happening? it's best we stay apart for a bit,

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tonight, the world health organization, warning that antibodies don't, necessarily, mean immunity when it comes to coronavirus. officials from the w.h.o., saying there simply -- it just is not enough research yet to determine what the relationship between antibodies and immunity will be. out front now, two of this country's leading voices on epidemiology. epidemiologist at stanford university and mark lipsich, epidemiologist at harvard. it's good to have you both back. doctor, you've been vefocused vy closely on antibodies. you have been involved in a study on them, and i will get to that in a few moments. but do you, fundamentally, believe that the presence of antibodies does mean some level of immunity? >> hi, erin, i think that some level of immunity, yes. perfect, for immunity, no.

antibodies are like a marker. they can tell you, most likely you have been exposed to this virus and there is a very good chance that you have immunity. but many people have probably been exposed and may not have detectable antibodies. and others may not have been developing antibodies for other reasons. and vice versa. so it's a surrogate marker. it's good to use to get a sense of how common an infection is. i think it's early in the day to say it can be used for individual decision-making, and i would not say that we should use it as a pass port of immunity for single individuals based on what we know so far. >> meaning you have the antibodies so you're good to go. you can go to the movie theater because you got nothing to worry about. mark, from your perspective, what is the greatest value of antibody testing right now? >> i think, as john said, the value is to figure out, in a population, how many people have been exposed? and, also, eventually to begin to understand this relationship between antibodies and immunity.

if we don't -- if we can't test people, we can't figure that relationship out. so the trick will be to design the proper studies to figure out both of those. so, doctor, "the new york times" is now reporting on a study of antibody tests, and they said 14 tests that they looked at. only three had reliable results. and even the best had some flaws. i mean, how do you get around this? you know, it's always been a difficult thing to understand, because we're told if a test of 99% reliable but given in a population where only 1% of the people have been exposed, you have a 50% chance of getting a wrong -- a wrong result. okay. well, then people say why can't you test that blood sample against a population where a whole lot more people have been exposed? you know, it's sort of hard to idea why these things seem to be so fundamentally unreliable. why are they? >> well, antibodies are a test. and any tests needs to be very thoroughly validated.

some of these tests may be pretty good. some might be excellent and some might be horrible. so you cannot generalize one test to having pretty good performance, avoiding false positives and false negatives, that other tests will be the same. each of these tests i think needs to be thoroughly validated to know its exact performance, and reduce the uncertainty about that performance. >> so, mark, i'm trying to understand. there's still so many that have said, well, look, this is the key to the economy. the point that -- that dr. inetes raised, right? the issue of a passport. want to say, okay, if you have been exposed to it, that's your passport. and we don't know if you are going to be immune for your life or two or three years, but they are betting a on a vaccine or treatment. and it's good enough. you can go on out there. but if these aren't going to be that reliable, and we don't know what they're really telling us, then it would seem that they are not a replacement for widespread testing of whether people actually have the virus. is that true?

>> they are not a replacement. they're a complement. especially, like new york and other hotspots, like chelsea, massachusetts, as the number gets larger, then at the population level, they get a more and more accurate answer, even if the test is not perfect. but, for individuals, as doctor said, we don't have the data right now to make individual-level decisions. and we need to test to get better, and we also need to do a careful set of studies. which are sometimes called protection studies, that will have ask a question whether it's a predictor of not getting infected. and those are very hard studies to do because the risk of finding false relationships is high, for all sorts of reasons. but they can be done. >> so, doctor, you know, there

was the sweden public health department. they were estimating that, for every person who tests positive for the actual virus, 99 others have had it, and that would put them at a third of the people in stockholm have actually been exposed. you did a study on coronavirus infection in santa clara. you believe studies show the numbers may be 50 to 80% higher in terms of the number of people who have actually been exposed than official count in that county. in new york, governor andrew cuomo is saying now 25% of people have had it in new york city. do these numbers seem right to you? do you think we're looking in a world where in major metropolitan areas, whether stockholm or new york, that you are looking at 30%? and i ask this in the context that we were told herd immunity could start as low as 50%. >> i think these are different pieces in the puzzle, and they're coming in at a fast pace and this is great news. they seem to be pretty consistent with each other. and, of course, the ascertainment problem is different, depending on how much testing has been done in each

area. so, you know, santa clara, probably, has had less testing compared to new york. so, probably, we have a larger iceberg that was not visible compared to new york. but even new york has a very large iceberg that is being revealed now. it's hard to say, what is the exact percentage you need to get herd immunity. mark has done fabulous work with this problem and, you know, percentages may vary. i think we need to track that very carefully. and we need to see how different locations perform. how these numbers change, over time, as the epidemic wave -- at least the first epidemic wave is maturing. >> so, mark, what is your view on this? first of all, do you think these numbers are reasonable? that you look at new york, like governor cuomo says, and you could be at 25%. and if you do think it's reasonable, is it fair to say herd immunity could start at 50%? so, therefore, as you relax social distancing, you know, you're haf w you' you're halfway there in terms of

exposure. but does that logic add up to you at all? >> any person that's been infected and has antibodies and has not had a bad outcome is a positive. so, in that sense, yes. i think there are a few things to consider. one is probably herd-immunity threshold, the point at which the virus can't spread, is probably a little higher than 50%. maybe 60 or 70. we don't know, yet. but the other issue is it's really important to go from these sort of convenient sample studies, which is what everybody's doing at this point, for good reason. it's the easiest thing to do. you look at someone in street corners or, you know, at a drive-thru place and real random sampling. the new york city ones were done in supermarkets and a person in a supermarket is probably more likely to be exposed to coronavirus than somebody who's sitting at home, sheltering in place. so we need to be very cautious about the sampling. and that will give us better answers.

>> a very fair point. doctor, before we go, i just want to ask you. you know, you obviously had, early on, set it was possible that this coronavirus would end up with a death rate, at the end, that was less than that of the flu. you know, in part, because more people had it than we knew about. but as more data has come in andwiand as we see 56,000 people dying in the past month, outpacing cancer or heart disease. do you think it's possible the death rate could be less than that of the flu? >> my guess, at the early stage, based on practically, very unreliable data, was that it could be anywhere from 0.05% up to 1%. that was my most plausible guess that i had suggested. the data suggest that we will get numbers within that range. you know, from the lower bound to the upper bound. the infection fatality rate is not, like, a constant. like the gravitational constant of g. it will be different if you have a population that has excellent

healthcare. h hospitals do not crash. you have young population. very few people who are disadvantaged and very sick and elderly. you protect your nursing homes. conversely, if you go to new york, if you go to queens, hospitals got overwhelmed. new york had lots of nursing homes that really were massacres of lots of deaths happening there. you're likely to have a much higher infection fatality rate. so it's not a constant value. it's up to us to navigate the waters, and try to make it as low as possible. if we just have very young people infected, it would be less than the flu. it can be a disaster. >> i appreciate both of you taking the time again. >> and next, 60% of job losses in february and march, in this country, were women. why the shutdown is hitting women hardest? plus, president trump says he knows about kim jong un's health

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of this. and, doctor, i appreciate your time tonight. you have co-authored a paper that details 12 specific cases where covid-positive patients suffered strokes. and 40% of those patients were under the age of 50. can you tell us detail as to what made these cases stand out to you, and so unusual to you and your colleagues? >> yes. hi, erin. so, when the pandemic started, we noticed that there was a high incidence of covid in patients presenting with stroke. and we noticed, also, there were a lot of young patients, with no risk factors. so, as you said, 40% of the patients were less than 50 years old. and, overall, 50% of all the patients in the study did not have any risk factors for stroke. we, also, noticed that the pattern of the clots were different. there were, sometimes, multiple

vessels involved. and the clots were on both sides. arterial and venus sides. >> so when you say they didn't have underlying conditions leading toward strokes, when you look at the younger patients, right, because these are the very same people we're told have very minimal risk for coronavirus. did any of them have underlying health conditions that may have been a factor, aside from coronavirus? >> no, those young patients did not have any other risk factors. no risk factors for stroke. and 50% of the patients presented, didn't know that they had the coronavirus. so stroke was the first symptom of coronavirus, in those patients. >> wow. so -- so what you're saying is that they may have felt -- i mean, would -- would you go so far as to say they were asymptomatic? or did they have some sort of symptom, asymptomatic until the point they had something

indicating a brain clot? >> exactly. the majority of them, they weren't symptomatic until they developed the stroke symptom. and what we noticed, also, that some of the patients are coming late. and this is really important because patients are scared of going to the hospitals. and that's why we have a small window, a short window, to be able to help those patients and to intervene. so any patient, with any stroke symptoms, need to call 911 right away or they need to present to the emergency room. and especially patients that are confined at home, with a diagnosis of covid, those patients, specifically, if they have any stroke symptoms, they need to call 911. >> so, you know, we hear this and we hear okay now you are saying someone could appear to be asymptomatic and their first symptom would be the stroke itself. and this can happen in young patients. as we are also finding out, possible brain impacts from the

virus. obviously, we learned about smell. and we learned about taste. nerve damage. kidney damage. i mean, does it just -- does it shock you that -- that this virus could be causing such widespread damage within the human body? >> yes. i think there are a lot of things that we don't know yet. and, at this point, we need to keep our eyes open and if with see any trends or anything unusual, we need to report it. we need to investigate it. so we're going to see a lot of things i think. >> what's happened with these patients in terms of their ability to recover? >> those patients, unfortunately, 50% mortality in those patients with strokes. so, in general, the mortality after a stroke intervention is around 10%. but, in those patients, it was 50%. despite the fact that we were

able to retrieve the clot and open the vessel, those patient ended up dying either from multiple organ failure, or from the lung injuries they had. and some of them ended up having strokes -- so the outcome wasn't very good. >> all right. doctor, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. and i hope this will be something people can be aware of. just to make sure people are aware of every possible thing that could happen here so that they can do the best they can to get medical care, as quickly as possible. thank you, sir. >> thank you for having me. >> and also, tonight, the president's economic advisor says the united states could see unemployment numbers like the ones during the great depression where, of course, unemployment peaked at just about 25%. and that unemployment, so far, is hitting women particularly hard. women, in fact, account for 60% of the job losses, over the past two months. >> it's like my home away from

home. >> reporter: but this is charmaine cook's small business. seven days a week, from dawn until late into the night. >> you know, i put so much into it. we are on the verge of something really great. >> reporter: cook, single mom, owner of popped fresh, was catering award shows and movie premieres just weeks ago. >> how long can you keep going? >> really, not much longer. it's so disheartening because i thought this was going to be something i had for a long time. starting all over again will be tough. you know, that's a -- that's a lot of people to compete for jobs with. >> reporter: 26.5 million, now, out of work. especially hard hit, women. 60% of job losses in february and march were women. exceeding men in nearly every sector of the economy. coronavirus, gutting retail and leisure hospitality, where women make up the bulk of those job losses. and women own just under half of all american small businesses, where the initial blow of the

virus shutdown has been felt the most. >> i mean, it's life or death for us. >> latricia left the comfort of a lucratisales in detroit radio. fitness. opening a heart pumping studio called vibe ride detroit. barely opened two years, but hasn't been approved yet for the small business loan from the federal government. the marry mother of a young child now watches numbers in her state get worse. this week, a quarter of michigan's workforce has now filed for unemployment. >> it's just a day-to-day, hour-to-hour thing. i've had so many highs and lows, but i refuse to be a victim in this. i have to believe that we will survive this. do i know how? not today. >> reporter: not knowing is what's common among so many business owners in this crisis, as summer davis, mother of two. >> i think i might just be in shock. because we, literally have no

income. >> davis owns a los angeles and international touring company. demand has evaporated as travel ground to a halt. >> i even thought should i sign up to be a delivery driver? you know, should i work at the grocery store? >> >> she is now joining more than three million californians. >> this is the unemployment application for sole proprietors. >> filing for unemployment for the first time in her life. >> there it goes. >> so what might happen to these women-owned businesses? as you look at recent history, in the 2008 financial crisis, women and businesses owned by people of color were more likely to fail than businesses owned by white men. but in the recovery, in the immediate years after that 2008 crisis, they're the ones who led the recovery, adding in $1.8 million jobs. erin? >> all right. thank you very much, kyung. "outfront" next, president

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breaking news. president trump revealing tonight he knows about the

health of kim jong-un. the north korean dictator, of course, hasn't been seen in weeks. didn't show up at the crucial anniversary for his grandfather and cnn learned u.s. is monitoring intelligence kim is in grave condition after his surgery. here's what trump said tonight adding to the speculation. >> i hope he's fine. i do know how he's doing. relatively speaking. we will see, you'll probably be hearing it in the not too distant future. he didn't say anything last saturday. >> did kim -- >> nobody knows where he is. so he obviously couldn't have said it. >> kylie atwood is "outfront" for us. the president is doing his part to deepen the mystery. there's a lot of mystery on kim jong-un, whether he's alive or where and in what condition. >> yeah, the bottom line here, erin, is president trump did not actually provide any clarity today when he spoke about the

health status of kim jong-un. now, as we have reported at cnn, the u.s. is monitoring intelligence as of last week that kim jong-un may be in grave danger after undergoing a surgery. and president trump said today that he does know the health status of kim jong-un relatively speaking and that -- that terminology is actually quite key even though it's not very descriptive because there are many layers of intelligence that u.s. is monitoring some intelligence, but it doesn't necessarily tell the whole picture. we have south korea saying there's nothing to indicate that kim jong-un is not, indeed, in fine medical condition. the other thing that president trump said when he spoke today is that we may find out in the not too distant future about the status of kim jong-un, now, obviously, he didn't put a timeline on what he meant when he said the "not too distant

future" but he does indicate that he does have a reason to believe that we are going to find the answers to these many questions about kim jong-un's health sooner rather than later. erin? >> all right, kylie, thank you very much. and now to the front lines and those fighting the coronavirus fight. here's jeanne. >> reporter: tributes to health care workers have sprouted like spring flowers from lawn signs to celebrity-led sing-alongs. >> let's sing our song. >> reporter: tony bennett's statue is even masked these days. as san franciscans paid tribute to front line workers. ♪ ♪ i left my -- ♪ in san francisco >> reporter: but there's another location where the tributes are more concentrated, where images are shared of medical workers with angels wings grouped among other masked superheroes. photoshopped with an added cape.

#courageisbeautiful bubbled up when dove soap made it its tag line in a video that went viral. showing the marks made by the protective gear medical workers wear. dove donated some $2 million to the cause and paid to promote the hashtag. now relatives of front line workers are adding their own images. "my daughter, my beautiful niece, my cousin, icu nurse in indy praying before shift with no n-95 masks." tributes shared from a shared montage of exhausted health care workers to this sand sculpture of a medical worker holding the world in her hands, created by a new jersey couple, john goudy has won prizes in sand sculpting competitions, but those can't compete with the emotion that went into this one. new orleans artist terence osborn didn't know his painting front line had been shared on #courageisbeautiful. >> i'll take it.

mine, that's nice, of course, that's what it's about. so the piece is a nod to the rosie the riveter piece, you know the piece from world war ii. >> reporter: though rosie didn't face the dangers medical personnel do. the next time you hear -- ♪ god bless my home >> reporter: leave a piece of it for those who wear their mask in marks even when they take it off. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks very much to jeanne and thanks to all of you for joining us. "cuomo prime time" starts right now. i don't usually get to hand it off to you, chris, but i'm so glad you're doing better. take it away. >> what a pleasure. i loved watching you here at home. you're doing a great job, erin. appreciate it. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." finally, finally, the white house is saying that it asked states what do they need to get testing right so we can re-open