hello to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king in washington. this is cnn's continuing coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. 3 million confirmed cases worldwide this hour, but countries are inching towards normal, or new normal, despite some red flags that doing so may end badly. in germany the infection rate is climbing again. this after some restrictions were eased. a top european authority predicts the wave for a vaccine will last through the end of 2021, end quote, the most optimistic of scenarios. the united states on track to pass 1 million confirmed cases today. still, reopening is the president's priority. he is meeting this hour with the governor of florida.

that texas is second. the president's message today, it is worth noting at this hour not one state meets the full ladder. indiana, maryland, minnesota, you see lines heading up, trending in the wrong direction. what the white house likes to cite is a more grim outlook. with 60,000 dead by august 1st, now to a projected 54,000 lost by the end of august. no matter what, the white house insists everything is fine. the district of columbia still doing too little testing to even consider rolling back stay-at-home orders. the president, though, praising himself on twitter this morning for, quote, a great job. his top health expert, dr.

anthony fauci, is clearly worried about the pace of reopening. >> if we had the capability of identifyi identifying, isolating and contact trace ing in a highly effective and efficient way, then the numbers may stay low. it may be 80,000, whatever, 70,000 like the model says. if we are unsuccessful or prematurely trying to open up, and we have additional outbreaks that are out of control, it could be much more than that. it could be a rebound to get us right back in the same boat that we were in a few weeks ago. >> let's get straight to miami, cnn's rosa flores. rosa, this is a fascinating moment. the governor of the state of florida meeting with the president. what is the governor looking for from the president? >> you know, probably some

direction. until now we've seen that governor desantis listens to president trump. like you mentioned, florida is one of the largest states in the union and governor ron desantis has not made an announcement about if or when he plans to reopen the state, how he plans to do that. he's actually one of the few republican governors who hasn't made that announcement. look at georgia, look at texas, governor abbott ready to reopen the state of texas on friday. but here in florida, governor desantis has said he is in no rush, he wants to be smart and methodical about this. we're watching his meeting with the president very closely because governor desantis listens to the president. he praises his administration and the president at just about every covid-19 press conference, and he also takes his cues from the president. so much so, governor ron desantis did not issue a statewide stay-at-home order here in the state of florida until, according to the governor, he saw a change in

demeanor to president trump's response to the covid-19 crisis. if you look at florida, it's almost a microcosm of what we're seeing in america. just like we're seeing governors around country do their own thing, reopening their states at their own pace, that's exactly what we're seeing in the state of florida where we see cities and counties reopen beaches and public spaces, john. we're seeing, for example, jacksonville opening their beaches. here in miami-dade, that's not happening. but miami-dade is getting ready to open city parks and waterways. yet miami is staying, nope, we're not ready for that. >> we're going to hear from the governor and the president, i believe, at the bottom of the hour. we'll bring that to you when we can. thanks so much there. with me now to share her expertise and insights, the infection specialist and epidemiologist, dr. gander. i believe we can put on the

screen a 14-day trend in the state of florida. this is a republican governor who often takes his cues from president trump. he's trying to figure out, what do i do? 14 days, you see the last few days, that's down a bit, but if you're doing the whole 14 days, you have a couple peaks in there. my look at that as a layperson is, okay, things are flattened but i would be a little bit more cautious. when you look at those numbers, do you see a case to reopen or a case to wait? >> i would say we have a case to wait, john. you really do need to wait that full 14-day period, because that's the duration, the incubation period for the virus, the time that everyone is exposed until they get the disease. everyone is different. you're not going to get the exact same for everybody, and that's why you have some variation. the other piece for that is you have to have the testing capacity in place. we simply do not have what we need to be doing in the country. so if you look at w.h.o. targets for adequate testing, which are

less aggressive than what the south koreans have done, we should be doing probably half a million tests per day nationwide, and we're at about 200 to 250,000 tests a day. in addition, if you look at where we expect to be with number of cases, say, come may 1st, and how many people need to be tested in that time including their contacts, that's also about half a million we're projecting. for a lot of different reasons, that's sort of the number that we're converging on, and we're still doing less than half that many tests per day. >> so, then, let me follow up on that. what do you make of what we heard from the white house yesterday? the governors, public health officials have been screaming and raising alarms about this for weeks. the white house came out yesterday and said, we're going to do more, we're going to help, still saying they believe the federal government is the last resort when it comes to supplies. 2 million tests per week would make a dramatic testing increase, yet it also represents

the low end that many public health experts say will be required to safely reopen. so progress from the white house, or we've heard promises in the past that have not turned out to be delivered. do you see it as progress? >> we've been hearing this for a couple months now, right? every american who wants a test can get a test. that is clearly still not the case. and based on what we know, not just about test availability, but also all of the other supplies, in particular the nasal swabs but other reagents as well that we're running short of, in a lot of places it's actually the nasal swabs that have become the bottleneck for testing. i really do think this would be a place where the production act should be invoked to really speed up the capacity for testing. >> and another point is this new ihme model. the white house crites it off a -- cites it off and it is now

up to 70,000-plus august 1st. the one thing, they're seeing people move out and about more, and if people are out and about more, the infection rate is likely to go up. >> our best estimate is going up, and we see these protracted, long peaks in some states. we're also seeing signs in the mobility data that people are getting more active, and that's also feeding into our assessment. >> so assess those two factors there. one, this is a stubborn virus. even in a place like new york where we watch the numbers come down, they're coming down slowly. massachusetts flat tened at a bd point. the mobility part, i think, is what mr. murray was talking about. you can see people are starting to move around more this week than they were last week. >> the weather is getting warmer, people want to be

outside more. that's not entirely surprising. they're also getting frustrated with the duration of the lockdown, and because there has been at least a flattening of the curve in some places, i think there may be a false sense of security that some people may have, and then you have people who really are just struggling to make ends meet and are having to go back to work and so on to be able to survive. i think there is a lot of factors at play. i think regardless, we know that when social distancing measures are lifted, you will see an increase in transmission, and that's precisely why we want to make sure you have the testing and contact tracing capacity to deal with that when that happens. >> the conversation we're having in ten days, two weeks from now will be very telling about how much of an increase we get with this reopening. dr. celine gounder, always great to hear your insights there. last to close, first to open is a cherished goal of the

waffle house franchise. so much of its locations are back east that the fema director had what he called the waffle house index to assess the damage based on the service available in waffle house locations. now you might call waffle house a coronavirus case study. it has 330 locations in georgia, 70 in tennessee. joining me now is the ceo of waffle house, rolf hamer. on the first day in georgia, tennessee, you're allowed to open up again. are people coming out to dine in, or are they hesitant to do so? >> sure, thank you, john. people are coming out. i was listening to your previous guests, and i do see a lot of traffic out in the communities. but not a lot of traffic in the businesses. so i think people are moving about from here to there.

what i saw in the restaurants yesterday, i was in the restaurants all day and i was in them again this morning is, it's a little bit more traffic, but people are still practicing social distancing, they are wearing masks, they are standing clear from one another. so even though we didn't really reopen, we just added some limited in-house dining to what we were already doing, i'm seeing so far that our customers, the citizens are still behaving according to what they've been instructed to do in terms of social distancing. so that was good to see. >> what's your sense of protecting your brand and your employees? maybe it's a family crowded into a booth, maybe it's someone pulling up to the side of the road who wants an old-fashioned dining experience and sit at counter and your shoulder to shoulder. that world is over. how are you doing that to protect your brand and your employees as people begin slowly to dine in again? >> sure. we're following all the cdc

guidelines. we're certainly following the governor's guidelines in states where they've allowed us to do a little bit more. we have set up our restaurants for social distancing. no longer do you sit shoulder to shoulder next to someone at the counter. you can sit there by yourself. you can sit in a booth with people you came with, but there's not somebody sitting directly next to you in a separate booth. we have, in essence, cut the capacity of our restaurants down so that we could give people enough space in the restaurants where they could be at least six feet away from one another. waffle house is a little bit unique compared to some other restaurants. obviously the fast food folks have had a little advantage going through this process because they have the drive-through window that can hand you a bag of food, but people have been walking into our restaurants for the last six weeks placing to-go orders and waiting patiently at a distance from one another for their food to be cooked, and then they take that food and they go with them. the only thing we really added

different this week is at the distance they were waiting they could sit there and eat. so people do seem to value a little bit of a sense of normalcy and a hope that maybe better days are ahead, but it's definitely a gradual process that will take us to the next stage of this. >> and you are going to be both a barometer of people's comfort zone, whether they're willing to go out and dine in more, but also a barometer of whether people are starting to spend more in businesses like yours that have been kicked in the teeth here begin to come back. what are you seeing in terms of the finances? >> well, i tell you, we're really pleased with the unemployment help that has been given to the people of america, and i think that is taking care of the most vulnerable folks in our society right now. so right now, you know, i don't know exactly what the long-term prospects are going to be, but what we're really concerned about is there is a growing economic crisis here, and people's ability to provide a living for themselves and for

their families and a roof over their head, long term, i think, is where the real challenge is going to come. so short-term people are able to eat and shop and do the things they need to do, but long-term is what we're pretty concerned about at this time in terms of what will the ultimate impact of the economy be with so many people being out of work for so long. >> we'll keep in touch as this experiment keeps expanding. walt ehmer from the waffle house, really appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, i'll talk to a mayor in boston who says his city is not ready to reopen. deborah birx saying she likes to give information. >> i like to use the time to educate people. if i have a graph behind me, i'm

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the coronavirus case count in massachusetts is flattening, though still up a bit in recent days. so governor charlie baker faces a tough choice as he decides this week whether to ease a stay-at-home order that currently runs through next monday. boston's mayor says he already knows enough, and that in his view, monday, may 4th, is too soon for the city to let down its guard. he joinds s me right now. the 14-day trend in massachusetts not so great. in the globe today, if you read it, it says if the state's current restrictions were allowed to expire in four weeks and replaced by minimal

restrictions may 5th, the outbreak would accelerate again in july killing 120,000 people. if the restrictions were lifted in just two weeks, the model reports 42,700 deaths. when you review data like this, you've already said next week too soon, no way, when in your view is boston safe to reopen? >> i think reviewing the data, it changes, and here in boston we've obviously seen the surge between the 26th and the 28th, we've seen these numbers increase in a big way. in the last couple days, we've averaged 300-plus coronavirus positives here in boston, so we still have some work to do here. i think that at least for the next two or three weeks, we'll be looking at this data very closely to see if we can see reductions here, to see the work that's been done with the stay-at-home order, the physical distancing and the masks and all that works. we're going to see if that

continues to trend -- will begin to trend down, not continue to trend down, it hasn't begun yet, but i do think it's important for us to err on the side of caution, to continue to take very drastic steps in order to keep these numbers down, keep people safe. i had a conversation with the governor today. we had a really good conversation this morning about how we're going to move forward. i think there is an opportunity here to look at how we reopen, don't get too far ahead of the game understanding the data may not back up some of what we want to do here. >> we've seen other states, i'll give you georgia as an example, texas is another, where some mayors, particularly mayors with republican governors are having a hard time, saying there is a lack of communication. it sounds like you're at least trying to stay on the same page with the republican governor there. >> we are, we're staying on the same page. last week i was getting a lot of pressure or a lot of questions about are we going to extend the stay-at-home order, are we going to extend the stay-at-home order. i think the governor is going to

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president trump is full of praise on twitter today for himself and for states beginning their reopening from the coronavirus lockdown. texas gets singled out in one tweet, another praises many states for moving, quote, safely and quickly. it will take a few weeks before we know whether this really is safe, meaning whether these reopenings lead to a spike in infections. but the president likes to think if he tweets it or says it that

it is true. like he said yesterday that america leads the world in testing and that many states have enough testing to reopen safely. many governors and mayors say that's just fiction. but they do say this latest promise from the white house to help brings some hope. let's start first with the question we saw from the white house yesterday. last week the president said the governors have enough testing. if they don't know where to find t he questioned their intelligence. yesterday the white house said, we're going to help you. let's listen first to a sampling of governors who say we need it and it's overdue. >> we have been woefully short of test kits. the federal government has not provided us adequate test kits to actually test as many people as we want to test. >> anybody testing needs the federal government and especially the fda to step up and give states and providers a lot more guidance than we have

now. >> we keep asking for masks, we keep asking for gowns, we keep asking for reagents, and i'm tired of asking. >> dana bash, one of the questions is, and let's hope the answer is yes, does the white house actually mean it this time? will the coordination be real, will the supply chain be more efficient? >> we don't know the answer to that yet, but what we do know is that the governors have been contacted individually. they have these big conference calls or video calls with all of the governors, but each of the states in the territories have been contacted by members of the administration's team, including and especially the admiral in charge, to say what exactly do you want? i spoke to one of the governors yesterday who was contacted. he said that they gave the administration not just their wish list but their must list. this is what we need in order to process the tests. and so they were told that the administration will get back to them over the next couple of

days with what they can deliver. so we're not going to know the answer to your question, john, about whether or not they mean it this time until we see and hear from the governors as to whether they're going to get what they specifically asked for. but at least we're in a place where there is that communication, where the federal government is understanding that they have to at least in some way, shape or form control the supply chain. >> and, michael, one of the other questions i'm going to borrow from a previous crisis involving a presidency, is what did the president know, when did he know it and what did he do about it? there is a "washington post" story saying the administration is pushing back that in the president's daily brief there were early warnings, early information tlhere is a pandemi in china and it's most likely going to come to the united states. the white house is pushing back saying it was not that specific, but there were some pieces of intelligence, because we saw members of congress, including tom cotton, senator from arkansas, in january beginning to write letters.

he had access to the intel committee saying don't believe what you heard from china. and this is an official testifying. >> we expect we will see community spread in this country. it's not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness. >> on the very day of that from a trump administration official, the president of the united states said, it's going to be under control. i can speak for our country. it is under control. there is a big debate, michael, you've written about the administration's response, how the president bristles at any suggestion he didn't sttake it serious enough the end of january throughout february. the reporters, and fine reporters, saying this was in the president's daily brief, say there was a great number of markers the president shuould have had if he paid attention to

it, access of information. >> a month ago the security council was holding meetings in mid-january. there were situation meetings by the end of january. the "wall street journal" and other media outlets had extensive reporting on what was happening in china through january, through february. that's a matter of the public record. it's also a matter of the public record that the president's description of the virus and predictions of what would happen were off, were way off. and the question remains, who inside the administration was sounding the alarm bells most loudly about this and urging him to have a more -- a direct response and a more urgent response? i'm not sure the intel community is one of those yet. these reports were in the presidential daily briefing. they were also in newspapers at the time. i think that's a line of reporting that is still -- that there is a lot of ways to go on

that. but you're right, the president is bristling and he's tired of being blamed for the virus and the response of the virus. we reported last week in the "wall street journal" that he's essentially asked his team to come to him with plans that will let him take credit for the good parts of the response and push blame for when things go wrong. this testing strategy that he put out yesterday, the administration talking about -- how they're talking about testing strategy now, i think, fits right in with that. they're telling reporters and governors they have what they need and yet they're also saying that they're not going to produce more than -- they're going to cap certain states for the number of tests and provide a certain minimum for testing as well. which is sort of hard to square those two responses coming from the administration yesterday. >> he thinks if he says that at a white house briefing or in a tweet, therefore, it is true.

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brings a host of changes for states and cities as many of the original stay-at-home orders expire. some states are extending those orders while others like tennessee are already reopening their economies with limitations. then within those states there are cities and counties, like knox county, tennessee setting their own schedules, balancing the health of their citizens with the need to get business owners back on their feet. glen jacobs is the mayor of knox county and joins us now. mr. mayor, thank you so much for your time. it's a tough call, right? you have a three-point reopening plan, a phase plan. people must keep social distancing. wear their masks. higher risk people should stay at home. but you also think it's time to reopen businesses, daycare centers, spas, retail stores, gyms, places of worship. i follow you on twitter. i know you think it's important, you can keep the economy dormant for so long. what is your test for is this safe enough? what are you going to watch? >> our health department actually implements these plans, and this plan was put together with the joint task force for

the city of knoxville, officials from knox county as well as the knox county health department. and they have metrics that they will look at going forward. as you say, we can't keep the economy dormant. a lot of people are suffering. 27 million americans have lost their jobs in the past five weeks. here in tennessee, 450,000 people filed for unemployment. i'm concerned that we're going to reach a point when we talk about reopening the economy, there's not going to be much less to reopen. so we have to do so, of course, in a safe manner. >> you have a unique perspective. forgive me, mr. mayor, but my son knows you as cain. you're a professional wrestler, a professional athlete and performer who has to get up close and personal in a very tight space, sometimes with one, sometimes with a lot more than one. you're also a small business owner who wants to get your own business back up and rung but you have employees to worry about, and you're a mayor who has to worry about the decisions of all the people.

you make a decision, it impacts the health and well-being of somebody else. take us to this decision-making process for you because you have these experiences. >> exactly right. primarily the mayorship comes first and ensuring the health of knox county as well as ensuring that our economy can remain intact and be viable and hopefully get moving again. as for our own businesses, we've been impacted like everybody else. i don't think there's anyone that hasn't been harmed by this crisis in one way or another, whether it's covid-19 directly or the economic impact that all this happened. we try to keep all those things in mind and realize that it is a multi-fac multi-faceted problem and realize you have to make a decision, and once you make it, you have to get feedback and see how things are going. but you have to make a decision and go with it. >> and what do you say to somebody who walks up to you and

says, mr. mayor, i think you're going too fast here? >> well, again, if we don't do something with the economy soon, we're not going to have much to open up, unfortunately. there is a lot of people's jobs that depend on sectors of the economy that have been completely shut down. it's not a choice between lives and the economy. lives depend on the economy. so we have to balance both, we have to ensure that we're taking care of both to the extent that we can. >> mr. mayor, appreciate your insights and your time today. best of luck in the difficult days ahead. >> thank you, john, i appreciate it. >> thank you, sir. up next, 50 states, 50 different challenges when it comes to the big question of the moment, whether to reopen. with social distancing. overcoming challenges is what defines the military community. usaa has been standing with them,

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today at least two more governors planning to announce their states' reopening plan, the governor of california, governor newsom, and the state of illinois, christy nolan. these are the states that have announced reopening plans or at least steps toward reopening. look in yellow on the map here. every state is doing this a little differently. in iowa, some business restrictions relaxed. wisconsin, relaxing some business restrictions, west virginia saying they will have a plan, no specific date just yet. texas more aggressive. more businesses open. limited capacity but much more open, including movie theaters and the like. some of the states announcing, no, we're not ready. we're going to extend our stay-at-home orders. we do not believe we have corralled the virus yet to open

up. here's where it gets interesting. some states in quell low goiyel ahead. some waiting in pink. some neighbors going forward when they think it's time to wait. we'll hear soon from other governors waiting to make their decisions. you see california and south dakota could come today, these others deciding keep stay at oem ord -- home orders in place and when you reopen, how do you do it? some understand the political risks? >> i take full responsibility with the decision. with any decision there is risk. whatever we did today was a r k risk. doing nothing is a risk. >> just as we want to slow covid-19, we must also come together to begin rebuilding the lives and the livelihoods of our fellow texans. >> that last governor there, the

republican governor of texas, greg abbott. if there is middle ground between aggressive reopening and one of caution, abbott certainly trying to find that balance. his state set to reopen in phases beginning on friday. ed lavandera in texas. ed, let me start with you on the ground. governor abbott saying it's time to go. what is the reaction in the state? >> reporter: i think they are heavily divided in terms of what people want to see and many questions as to how all of this is going to play out. there are definitely some circles where you see people say this is needed, it needs to be done. as you heard the governor there talking about restoring livelihoods, that does resonate with some people. but there is a great sense of trepidation, especially when you look at political leaders in the big cities in texas that have been hardest hit. listen here to the mayor of houston and how he reacted to the governor's plan yesterday. >> so the virus has not

disappeared. we've done an excellent job at containing it and minimizing its impact. we don't want to undo what we have successfully done over the last 40, 45 days. testing, continuing to be cautious. i, too, want >> reporter: what's really interesting, john, if you listen to the way political leaders here talk here in texas, both democrats talk about following the science. it is an argument of what governor abbott is saying, follow the medical data and react to that and plan to open things up essentially. both sides are following the science but it is being read in different ways and so that leaves people out here on the streets a little bit confused.

alamo draft house, they're supposed to be allowed to open on friday. they're saying they're going to remain close for the safety of customers. you see a lot of businesses on the ground making those decisions. i have talked to other restaurant owners that'll not open up. it is not worth the risk. that's what texas is juggling with the coming days. >> dan, let's continue the conversation. the governor is saying they're following science but they take the science and listening governors here, they filter it through their own governing philosophy or ideology. >> we'll monitor and watch and take small steps. if we got to stop or slow or backup, that's what we'll do. if we let up one bit of our aggressive social distancing measures, we can see ourselves

skitting off this road. a plan that's rushed is a plan that'll needlessly fail. >> we are a few weeks away and not months away from making measurable and meaningful changings to our stay-at-home order. >> it is fascinating and it is risky the magic of the republicans of 50 states spee experiments. the confusion is these 50 states experiment all the way through. >> we see some states moving aggressively to close down their states and issue stay-at-home orders, closing schools earlier. now we are coming out the other end of it. i think one of the points have been raised is this question of how much risk there is available or how much risk people are willing to tolerate. what's most interesting is that governors will make the

decisions that they think are the best both for medical reasons and for economic reasons. those trade offs are becoming a little bit more acute than a month ago as we all know. the other aspect of this is that individuals and businesses will also make their own decisions almost regardless of what the governors decide. we are not opening up yet and we don't think it is safe for your customer and individuals are not going to run out to a lot of these places. we got a new poll that we did with the city of maryland. it shows two or three people think the restrictions in their states are appropriate and another 15% or 20% think they are not restrictive enough. >> i saw that data this morning. people are ahead of their poll

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the united states starting on may 18th. the source tells cnn nothing is set in stone but just an estimate of the timeline. those who are wanting to get back to work as soon as possible and those who are being safe. steve mnuchin responded to news that the lakers receive add $4.6 million loan from the federal program meant to help small businesses. >> i never expected that the los angeles lakers which i am a big fan of the team but i am not a big fan of the fact they took a $4.6 million alone and i think that's outrageous. i think it is outrageous and i am glad they returned it. for any loan of $4 million, the fda will do a full review. we'll make sure was the intent

of the taxpayers fulfilled here? >> mnuchin says he's encouraged by other larger companies returning their loan money. at the top of the hour, i am john king, continuous coverage of "coronavirus pandemic." 1 million confirmed coronavirus cases today. the president is with ron desantis at the white house. desantis says his concerns is getting opened right and less about setting a perfect date. dozens other states are moving forward to bringing their economy back online. warnings from scientists. testing says they are still 2 million short a week.