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of hands of congress. you're watching cnn's special coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. as the united states is on track to see a million cases in the next 24 hours, the governor of the state which has suffered the most deaths is calling out those who he thinking failed to, quote/unquote blow the bugle. here is governor cuomo moments ago. >> where was the whole international health community? where was the whole national host of experts? the w.h.o., the nih, the whole alphabet soup of agencies? where was everyone? where was the intelligence community with the briefings saying this is in china and they
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have something called an airplane. you can get on an airplane and you can come to the united states. governors don't do global pandemics, right? in this system, who was supposed to blow the bugle and didn't? because i would bank that this happens again, and is the same thing going to happen again? i hope not. >> there are also new warning signs coming specifically about how the nation should reopen. nearly 20 states like georgia, florida and texas are starting to relax restrictions allowing some businesses to reopen doors, but new model saying reopening too soon will bring deadly outcomes. one of them issy the university of washington, often cited by the white house, increasing the projections of deaths to 74,000 partially due to mobility data. joining me now, one of the researchest behind that
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modeling, ali, the chief strategy officer, and a professor tess university's institute for health metrics. thank you for being with me, there. first, in your words, explain why your group increased its projection to 74,000 roughly of overall deaths? >> first, it's good to see you doing well. you've been through a lot. we have projected the deaths by 6,000 from the last time we had done one, so now it's about 74 sunrise deaths by august 4th. we have seen an increase in mooblt if the united states, especially in some of the states relaxing the measurements of social distancing. >> if you look at a state like georgia slowly reopening restaurants, et cetera, and you are a neighboring state of
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georgia, i'm wondering how you think georgia's behavior impacts those neighboring states, say, a month from now. >> it will impact every other state, not only the neighboring, which is a very good point. neighboring has immediate impact, but somebody from georgia can get on a plane and go to california, where california is about to ease its social distancing at the right time. if one state starts -- then we have to test people coming from the state even by road or by plane. that will delay the country as a whole for opening up for business. so that's not a right decision at this moment. >> i take that point, but also if you're a neighboring state of georgia, do you think you'll feel some sort of, i don't know, pressure to reopen's we as well? or not necessarily? >> that's a pressure of opening our business and keep people safe. right now the data is telling us
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we're not ready to open. yes, i would feel pressure in one way that i need to open the business and i'm confusing my public with a state line, that people are going back and -- to a kind of normal where in my state they're not. so there's pressure on me. bud at the same time the governor of the neighboring state, by delaying openings up, they -- he or she are doing the right decision and protecting the lives of the people and allowing the business to restart faster. if you shut down, you open your business much faster. >> that's exactly what i was wondering. with some of he state opening early, dr. gupta said we won't even know the consequences of opening early for weeks. >> yes. >> doctor, health experts have said there would be an increase in deaths one the social distancing is eased. can you put those new projectio projections? perspective? are they a warning? is the outcome worse than you
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expected? >> yell, it's very concerning. yes, you'll see them 14 days from now. the incubation period is 14 days. 14 days from now what's happening in georgia by relaxing, we'll see. i hope to come to your show and say i was wrong, but if history is correct, we know in georgia, mortality projection went down, demand on hospitals went down. right now for a state like georgia, where the peak hasn't each reached the peak. and they started relaxing the measures as they're going up. i mean, that's not a good sign, not something good to do. >> speaking of neighboring states, let me ask about florida. this is a comment that the florida governor, ron desantis made a short time ago. he's in washington today visiting president trump. this is how they defended his sponges to the coronavirus. >> the most draconian orders that have been issued in some of
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these states and compare florida in terms of our hospitalizations per 100,000, in terms of our fatalities per 100,000. you go from d.c., maryland, new jersey, new york, connecticut, massachusetts, michigan, indiana, ohio, illinois, you name it, florida has done better. i'm not criticizing those states, but everyone in the media was saying florida would be like new york or italy, and that has not happened. we understood we have a business diverse state. we understood the outbreak was not uniform throughout the state. >> i'm curious about your response. why do you think florida has seen lower numbers? many parts of florida issued stay-at-home orders. what he is saying is not true. system people stayed at home. we nobel from mobility data many people stayed at home. that's why we're seeing less than expected mortality. florida is a concern for us, because he has an older
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population, and he has, on top of what he has disparity in the state, where there are more people with more diabetes, blood pressure and cancer, and he should be concerned about those. lastly, just big picture. i think a lot of people are thinking how much longer? when will we fully flatten the curve? when you listen to dr. fauci, he's almost certain this will return in the wintertime. here is my question to you. if the u.s. meets the testing threshold, contact tracing threshold by winter, how do you think that changes all of our lives? >> so very good points. testing will enable us to test, and will enable us to detect a case early on and do isolation. more testing is good. our testing capacity is increasing. yes, we expect this virus to come back again, we'll have a second wave, especially in the winter, like with a flu season.
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so by increasing our capacity of testing and preparing our hospital for the second wave, and informing the public, and giving them the straight talk, telling them that you stay at home a couple weeks, all of us, it will come down to a level we can manage it from a public health standpoint and from a medical standpoint, and when it couple times the next time, there's less of it to start with, and then we are ready for the second wave, so yes, we have a virus that is vicious, and we have data where people have tested for antibodies. 14% of people in new york have tested positive for antibodies. this virus has been circulating much wider than expected. and it's a stubborn virus that's taking a long time to bring down. >> it's instead stubborn. here's hoping you're correct that by this winter so much more of this will be under control.
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doctor, thank you so very much, sir. >> thank you. speaking of new york, let's turn to erica hill. as we all engage in this whole debate over how the nation should actually reopen, i know the states are conducting more testing, what do you know about that? >> reporter: they certainly are. we know that testing is going to be key, and that's what we're learning not just from officials, but from some of this model that you were referencesing earlier in the show. as you look at all of that, it goes back to what we've been hearing that it was the data that needs to be driving they decisions, not necessarily the dates. >> in my mind it's inevitable we'll have a return ofs virus or
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it never even goes away. when it does, how we handle it will determine our fate. >> reporter: at least a dozens states pushing forward, as a new model forecasts a setback. >> our forecast now is 74,000 deaths. our best estimate is going up. >> reporter: the updated model, obvious predicting longer peaks ahead if restrictions are eased too soon. >> if we are unsuccessful or prematurely try to open up, and we have additional outbreaks that are out of control, it could be much more than that. >> reporter: harvard researchers estimate the u.s. needs to test 5 million people a day by early june to safely begin reopening. the white house testing czar disagrees. >> we don't believe those estimates are really accurate nor are they reasonable in our society. >> reporter: many areas looking
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to antibody testing to better understand the spread. nearly 15% of the thousands tested across new york state were positive for the antibodies. that number is closer to 25% in new york city. >> a lot more people were getting infected before it actually started to show up. >> reporter: in addition to random sampling, states and cities also testing first responders and frontline workers for antibodies. as official weigh the data, americans are trying to figure out what the next weeks and months will look like. >> i think by june we're looking at numbers between 16% and t20%. the unemployment rate will be probably as high as something we haven't signs since the 1930s. 39 states have already decided children will not return to the classroom this school year, as concerns grow about a deepening
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divide. new york city trying to bridge the gap with nearly 250,000 ipads and internet access. meantime at hospitals, grocery stores and on the streets of america, frontline workers push ahead. along the east coast today, grateful cities pausing for a fly-over. to honor their sacrifice. >> it was a beautiful tribute. what better place to do this than new york city. >> reporter: it's important every day to take a minute to remember not just the tens of thousands of lives that have been lost, but the many people who are keeping communities across this country running. it is those frontline workers, not just those in hospital who deserve our respect and appreciation, but also those here on the streets who are getting deliver yes, sir to you no matter where you may live. folks in the grocery stores. quite a moment to have that
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tribute today. >> huge, collecting our garbage, delivers food, delivers packages, thank goodness for them. as we were watching your piece, and this is the headline i believe i'm now reporting, but the u.s. has hit the million mark, as in 1 million coronavirus cases reported now in the united states. one of the most viable franchises in new york, the lakers said it's returned nearly $5 million meant for small businesses. and the white house says it has a plan to increase testing nationwide, but the experts say it still falls short. we'll discuss. a nurse on the front lines of the fight against the virus. she says she didn't sign up to die. - [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi grill.
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welcome back. there are still a lot of questions about the trump administration's new plan to ramp up testing so the economy can safely reopen. the one big question is, will it be sufficient? meeting with the president at the white house today, you have here florida governor desantis. he was quite confident about how testing is going in his state. >> we have seven drive-thru sites that we operate. our ability to test exceeds the current demand if you have symptoms, test. if you're a health care worker, first responders, come test. if you have no symptoms at all, but you think you've been exposed, come and test. we've seen more of those start to come, but the overall number of people seeking testing is not currently beyond our capacity. we'll have more capacity going
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forward, but we still right now are able to meet the current demand. we have a special pathogens expert. you heard governor desantis saying capacity exceeds demand. a white house official says the administration plans to provide enough tests for all 50 states to screen 2% of the folks who live there. is that enough? >> no, absolutely not. we need enough testing to be able to offer the test to anybody that needs it. we need to makes sure that you are able to i fit these patients, isolate them, do the contact tracing, so that 2%, that seems like an ash tray number pulled out of the air. anybody who needs to get tested is offered a test. that's the only way that we can
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really move forward with opening up the economy, lifting any social distancing measures. >> but how do we get to that point, doctor? how do we get to the point when the country -- we're not -- a little over 2%. how do we get to where it needs to be on testing? >> we need to have a coordinated effort. this is not an issue at the city level, at the state level. this is a global problem. there needs to be federal support and assistance. you can't just leave it up to the governors to deal with it. that's now how it should be working. this is a national issue. so when we need the support and resources of testing kits and reagents, it needs to be offered through various means. we need a good infrastructure in place, and we need to offer testing to some of the harder-hit places. there are some states like the
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state of new york that are harder hit than many others, and even within those states who have communities that obviously are disproportionately more in those different localities. >> i want to ask you about antigen tests, because the task force is pointing to that. >> we have to of a breakthrough. we need an antigen test. >> what is an antigen test? and is it reliable? >> so you raise two very important questions. first, right now, we're relying on the molecular testing capabilities. you're looking at the virus's genetic material to detect whether you have it or not. the other means is looking at the proteins on the virus itself
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and able to rapidly detect it. with any of those type of testing mechanisms, you have to make sure they're safe, effective and reliable. there's several factors that need to come into play. the onset, the concentration, the quality of the specimen collected, as well as how its processed. all of these things come into play and we need to test any type of infrastructure that we're offering to make sure the positive or negative is actually factual. this is not just a im -- these are lives on the line, so you want to make sure they're tests specific, substantive and actually reliable. >> that's exactly right. you know, it's great to throw a bunch of tests out there, but if they're not acrea, they're worthless, doctor madad, thank for you your expertise. just into cnn, the president
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president trump is expected to sign a order under the defense production act orton meat processing plants to stay open. the president previewed the order in a meeting with the florida governor. >> we're going to sign an executive order today, i believe, and that will solve any liability problems where they had certain liability problem and we'll get in good shape. >> art of this is comes as the largest meat -- the gba-usa plant hundreds of cases were linked to that facility. omar jimenez is there for us.
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what are the officials at that plant telling you? >> reporter: right now we got off a call with brown county health officials here in the green bay area that had been monitoring in conjunction with jbs, the number of cases they've had. specifically across the three major meat packing facilities in just this community alone, they either through their employees account for more than half of all confirmed coronavirus cases in this county. the vast majority stemming from this jbs meat packing facility. we heard from the contact tracing team about 79 others linked to those employees tested positive. according to the company they service 3.2 million meals to americans per day. this facility alone employs 1200 people to give you an idea of the impact. this isn't the only facility affected. it's one of four that's had to shut down. two have reopened across the
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country. this isn't the only company that's been infected, as we know as well. smithfield and tyson as well. tyson taking out a full-page ad over the weekend in various newspapers saying that the food chain is breaking. obviously that was a shocking statement to matter from so many people relying on grocery stores more than ever. not every industry experts agrees that the fuel supply is breaks. at the very least they say it's vulnerable, brooke. now with an executive order expected to compel these places to stay over. new guidance on how to use them safely is going to be as important as ever, as many will have to weigh their safety. >> omar, thank you for the update there in wisconsin. an estimated value of $4 billion, the los angeles lakers are the second-most valuable team in the nba after the new york nix, yet somehow the
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storied basketball franchise managed to retain one of the emergency relief loans to help the nation's small businesses. that news did no-go over well with the treasury secretary steve mnuchin. >> i never expected in a million years the los angeles lakers -- which i'm a big fan of the team, but not a big fan of the fact they took a 4.6 million loan. that's outrageous and i'm glad they returned it or they would have had liability. julia, flies to see you. this is a statement from the lakers e-mailed to cnn. they qualified for and received a loan under the payroll protection program. however, once we found out the funds from the program had been depleted we repaid the loan so financial support would be directed to those most in need. the lakers remain completely committed to supporting our employees and our community. so they're handing this money
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back, but the question is, you know -- they say they qualified for this loan. how did they qualify? >> this is the key. it may be outrageous, but to use a basketball terminology, there was no foul play here. congress basically put speed before specifics, brooke. they kept the criteria really wide in order to get the money out there as fast as possible. in the end the lakers have less than 500 employees. they have around 300 full and part time. one of the most stringent metrics they qualify for. but let's be clear, as the treasury secretary said, this program was not built for multibillion dollar basketball franchises. it was suppose to do go to desperate small and medium-sized enter prices. now today, if they didn't give it back, they could be in violation if they could prove they could get it from somewhere else. all of these big businesses have
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until may 7th to pay the money back or decline it and just basically have no questions asked. there will be more of these big businesses that give the money back. we've seen shake shack already. we've seen other names come up. autonation another one. there would be more. >> i'm sure there will. we'll have that conversation when that happens. julia chatterley, thank you. up next, a nurse working in the e.r. shares in this emotional video diary about her fears as she risks getting infected every day. she describes what it's like on the front lines right now. our members understand social distancing. being prepared and overcoming challenges. usaa has been standing with them for nearly a hundred years. and we'll be here to serve you for a hundred more.
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day in and day out there are courageous workers risking their own lives to save ours. we call them frontline workers. there is crime, b -- courage, b also fear.
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>> i did sign up to try to help save people, do my part. i want to make an impact, but i didn't sign up to die. i mean -- i will remember [ bleep ] -- scared -- i will do my best not to take -- i don't want to say no to my child that i can't kid him, but somebody eats at me that i might be exposing him to something. it's one thing when you're protecting yourself, but when you put your loved ones in jeopardy, that's a lot of weight to bear. >> here he is, britney is with me. she works in detroit, one of the areas hardest hit. first and foremost thank you. thank you to do what you're doing. your kids are precious, your kids' curls are just adorable. we'll get to your children and
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what it's like for them. first, watching your videos. i know you told our producers, it's been a roller coaster for you. especially at the beginning when i'm sure it was shocking. yes. >> first and formost, thank you for having me. i appreciate the opportunity. sure, the pandemic there's been a lot of phases of emotions. i shared a lot of really personal feelings in those videos, but that was the reality of what a lot of us were feeling and experiencing. that was my reality at the time. ever-changic, and right now i don't feel as anxious as i did in the videos, but those were real, raw emotions. >> can you talk us through what you were feeling in those videos when you were feeling the feelings? >> like i said, i think shock is
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probably one of the best ways to explain what i was feeling. it kind of felt like overnight i went from an e.r. nurse to having to learn in real time how to be an infectious disease nurse. we had a limited amount of information. all we now is there was a highly contagious respiratory novel coronavirus. we still had the fear and anxiety that not only were we exposing ourselves, but we had to go home with our loved ones and potentially expos them as well. >> when you talked about suddenly having to an expert, can you give us one exam of something you've had to suddenly have to do. >> i think first and foremost, we're used to rushing to people's bedsides if they're crashing. this was to reframe the mindset.
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first we need to protect ourselves and then enter our patients' rooms. we had to take the precautionary measures, get on the ppe it just totally changed the mindset in what we had to do in practice. >> i imagine was it hard? your instinct as a in your opinion is -- nurse is to run toward. you have ton mindful of your actions, because yes, our instinct is to rush to our patients. we want to help and do everything we can, but we can't help anybody if we aren't protected first, and then we can help. yes, it's a hard process, and you have to be very mindful of your decisionmaking. >> what does a good day look like for you, brittani? >> at work? >> yeah, at work.
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>> at work a good day is patients are stable, families are updated, you know t. we want our patients to be healthy and happy. that's a good day. a good day is a low number of patients who are critically ill. we want to go home and know we made a difference. that's a good day for a nurse. >> we saw your two cute kids at home. in some of the more difficult moments, have you ever had the thought enough is enough, you don't want to risk it anymore because of your family? 9. >> i would be lying to say those thoughts haven't crossed my mind. i'm human. there's nothing in the world that means more to me than my children. so thoughts did cross my mind, but i never didn't show up to work. i will continue to show up. i city love being a nurse, but
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sure i had moments where i broke down, i don't know if i can do this anymore, but i think a lot of us did. we continue to show up and work through it. it still is a difficult time. >> i know everyone keeps calling you heroes, but you are also human. you have those moments and it's entirely understandable and necessary. to your children, am i correct in saying a 2 and 5-year-old? is the 5-year-old old enough to understand, a, what you do all day, and b, why he has to stay home? >> he's my kid and i'm biased, but i think he's really intelligent -- i'm a mom. [ laughter ] i really try to keep an open dialogue with him. i want him to be aware, but it's a fine balance. he's 5, and i want to maintain his innocence.
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i don't want him to be afraid of the word. i want him to experience things. he does understand there's an illness. he can't see his grandparents, and that's been difficult, or his friends. i've had an open dialogue, but to be honest, i'm nothing trying to make him fearful. he knows mom is a nurse. he knows. >> he knows you're a stud already. >> my gosh. >> just thank you. that's all i can offer. >> thank you so much for your kind words and generosity. of course. we have news just in vice president mike pence is touring the mayo clinic, but he seems to be the only one not wearing a mask. hear what the clinic said the vice president was told about its policy. plus dr. anthony fauci gets personal in his interview, talking about his own health and what cause that had raspy voice we have become familiar with. (announcer) in this world where people are staying at home,
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. right now vice president mike pence -- let me try that again. vice president mike pence is touring the mayo clinic speaking with health care workers, plasma donors and to see a coronavirus testing lab but causing a stir because you could see kbha is miss. he's not wearing a mask. the policy is for everyone in the facility to wear a mask. and the hospital notes on the twitter account that the vice president was made aware of the policy prior to his arrival today. so let's go back to our cnn medical correspondent elizabeth cohen, and where is his mask?
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>> i don't get it, brook, this is really, very striking. why is everyone else wearing a mask and he isn't. he is a living breathing human being like everybody else. he could get other people sick. even if he's feeling fine. it is possible that he has coronavirus. that is really one of the horrific things about coronavirus is that people can have it and be able to spread it and not feel sick at all. that is why the cdc in early april changed their policy. they said the cdc recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain. it's critical to emphasize also that maintaining six feet social distancing remaining important to spreading the slow of the virus. so the cdc said two things, wear a mask out in public settings like these, and keep six feet away and he's doing neither. i can't understand why he would do that. is he scared of wearing a mask
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because he is scared it would send out some kind of message. i'm perplexed, i can't understand why he would do this and potentially putting other people in danger. >> impossible to crawl into his head and understand. maybe he's thinking the vice president, i want everyone to see my full face but is that irresponsible given thur policy. i'm sure we'll learn more. elizabeth cohen, thank you very much. passengers seen packed on to planes. many without wearing masks as well. hear what airlines are doing and not doing as traveling starts to pick back up.
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doctor anthony fauci, the man who has become the nation's trusted expert on coronavirus. we've seen him in all of the white house coronavirus briefings. but we're seeing a different side of him now. he opened newspaper a web chat with the economic club of washington today about everything from his raspy voice to brad pitt's portrayal of him on "saturday night live." >> brad pitt is one of my favorite actors and i think he did a great job. he got the raspness of my voice right and i think he has to work on the brooklyn accent but i think he did a great job. he was really very funny. i think what he did at the end was a class act. i thought when he took the wig off and thanked me and the
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health care workers the way you did. i've never met him but he seems like he is a classy guy. >> did you know that was happening, by the way. >> i didn't know until a few hours before. >> what about your voice. people comment on it is raspy, are you talking too much. >> it is exactly that, david. in december, unfortunately for me, i got influenza a, h1n1 and i developed a trachitis that was getting better and then came coronavirus which had me briefing at least in my mind almost every congressman, every senator, every governor and doing five, six, seven interviews a day and that when you get your voices damaged a little, i probably have a polyp there and the only way to get it better is to keep your mouth shut. but that is not in the cards right now. >> so you're 79 but in great
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shape. you power walk three miles a day. power walking means you're walking fast, right? >> power walk means i'm trying to catch up with my wife who is walking faster than i am. >> but your goal is to do this another ten years or so. how much longer would you like to do this job. >> that is a good question. you've been asking me that for decades. i'm going to do it until i can't do it as effectively as i can and right now i'm as good as i've every been because right now i have the energy and the experience. >> in hindsight, a couple of inches taller, you could have been a one and done college basketball player. but aspire to go to the nba or not? >> well, you know, the answer is every young kid in new york city who plays in the schoolyards and gets good at it and does well in high school always has aspirations and often the
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aspirations are not connected to the reality. so i inherited a couple of things from my father. my father, interestingly, when he was in high school, was the new york city champion of the 220 and the 440-yard dash. so on a basketball court you couldn't catch me on a fast break. however, i also inherited his height. and i found out something that is the rule in basketball, that a very fast 5'7" point guard who is a good shooter will get crushed by a fast 6'3" point guard who is a good shooter. >> so fun to see that part of him. dr. fauci will be on with jake tapper on "the lead" at 4:00 today. don't miss that conversation. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll be back tomorrow. in the meantime our special coverage continues now with my friend kate baldwin.
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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone, i'm kate baldwin, thank you for joining us. the united states just hit a milestone that people may have seen coming but it is hard to believe and stomach as the number of coronavirus cases in the country now tops 1 million. and the u.s. now accounting for a third of the world's coronavirus cases. doubling in just over two weeks. and some additional very sad perspective on all of this, the current u.s. death toll now over 57,000 is about to pass the number of americans killed in the vietnam war. that is three months compared to two decades of violent conflict. at the very same time there is a change from the cdc. now highlighting seven covid models on the website. one of which nearly doubling the death toll projections between now and august. another model often cited by the white house has now raised the