there's so many of them during this global pandemic. if you're looking for ideas visit cnn impact your world page. it's really important. thanks very much for watching. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront, next. the nation's top infectious disease expert warning the u.s. could be in for a bad fall in winter as coronavirus cases in the united states surpass one million known cases. vice president mike pence defending not wearing a mask. he was the only one not following clinic rules and will colleges reopen in the fall. one university president who is also a doctor says yes. students can return to their dorms in august. he's my guest. let's go outfront. good evening. tonight the u.s. could be in for bad fall in winter. that is the warning for the

country's top coronavirus expert, dr. anthony fauci. warning the united states could see more than the just increased forecast of 74,000 deaths if counter measures are not in place. >> it could be a rebound to get us right back in the same boat that we were in a few weeks ago. we could be in for a bad fall and a bad winter. >> that's a stark warning from dr. fauci coming as the key model stated by the white house increases its estimate of possible deaths from 67,000 to 74,000 people. fauci's warning comes as the president will sign an executive order that he says will keep food on grocery store shelves. that order requiring meat processing plants to remain open as plants have suffered coronavirus outbreaks with some employees dying. we'll have much more on that in a moment.

i want to go out to nick wyatt live. the governor today now pretty stark warning there. it will be months, not weeks before businesses like salons and gyms even open where you're standing in california. >> reporter: yes. they will be among the last things on the list. the governor says the process will begin in weeks and not months. he's trying to keep people's spirits up, obviously. among the first things to open will be child care because what the governor says is, listen, very difficult to get people to go back to work if they have nothing to do with their children. he is actually floating the idea of starting next academic school year early. perhaps even as early as late july. as more states open up. >> we're ready to go. enough is enough. >> reporter: the numbers of

americans projected to die also goes up. one key model now suggests more than 74,000 of us will be killed by covid-19 by early august. that's up from a projection in early april of just over 60,000. >> if we are unsuccessful or prematurely try to open up and we have additional outbreaks that are out of control, it could be much more than that. it could be a rebound. >> reporter: yesterday georgia allowed indoor seating in restaurant a restaurants and assuming social distancing is relaxed. the death toll could nearly double. these are only models. they differ and can be wrong. >> we didn't meet the full criteria but we met several of them and we're approaching a plateauing which made us feel it would be safe to move forward. >> reporter: today florida's

governor was in washington. >> i work with the white house on kind of going to phase one. i'm going to make an announcement tomorrow. >> reporter: in alabama. >> it's now time that we also focus on our economic health. >> reporter: starting thursday, all stores, beaches and employers can open up but with some social distancing. meat processing plants in many state vs now closed after out breaks. tyson was planning to close 80% of production. the ceo says the food supply chain is breaking. the president, now expected to sign an executive order forcing the plants to remain open. now, 31 state, including florida and alabama are just not testing enough to reopen, according to harvard researchers. >> tests are important. they are critical. they will be expanded dramatically as we reopen but it's not the only tool in the tool box. >> reporter: the economy is crumbling. >> i think that we're looking at

numbers between 16 and 20%. the unemployment rate at this point will be something that's about as high as something we hasn't seen since the 1930s. >> reporter: here in newport beach, california, the city council is meeting to try to figure out what to do with this beach. over the weekend, it was hot here in southern california. all the beaches in san diego were closed. same with all the beaches in los angeles. here in orange county, they were open and they were packed. the governor saw the pictures and said, that is an example of how not to do it. the city council right now, trying to decide whether they restrict access, close some roads or just close down the beaches for the next few weekends. erin. >> all right. thank you. i want to go straight now to the mayor of sioux city, iowa, an independent. there is a tyson meat plant that is nearby that is open with an

unspecified number of coronavirus cases. i appreciate your time. as we're trying to understand nick's referring to tyson saying this country is at a breaking point in terms of food supply. just a few days ago, the new york times said the siox city area has the highest daily growth rate of cases in the united states. you said you believe the outbreak is connected to that dakota city plant i just mentioned. why is that? >> well, because we had two deaths and i think they were associated with that company. even our health director said it's a processing plant in a state near to us and large employer. nor some reason tyson is unwilling to share those numbers which doesn't make sense. >> what is your reaction to the president's expected executive order which would force meat

plants to remain open? >> it's probably too late to do much for our community because we're on sump a rise now. we had our first case on march 22nd. we're over 1300 cases in our tristate area now. by the time anything can be done, it's too late for us. we're hopeful the curve will start to go down. it's a bit alarming to see that increase and the potential for loss of life and for people being very sick in our community. >> yeah, i'm also trying to understand if these plants are open, what would happen? obviously there's been nearly 200 cases linked to another tyson plant in waterloo, iowa. these plants have become clusters for the coronavirus across the country. workers told our reporter and she said, they told her it was impossible to stand six feet apart. that's not ou it's done.

masks were not provided on a regular basis. one worker who tested positive said tyson owes a lot of people an apology. i love working with them but they have no morals for me or my life. if they did, they would have shut it down and i wouldn't be infected with this virus right now. have you gotten assurances from tyson how they will do this in way that protects workers? >> no. we get the same thing that everybody gets. it has a tyson. they are separating their employees. they are putting their masks on employees and checking temperatures. i don't think there's any doubt. i'm not accusing them of not doing it. is it a little bit too late to do some of that stuff? i don't think they did it early on because i think anybody understood the magnitude of how quickly this could spread. we were way behind the rest of country. >> there's video from tyson in

is their video before the coronavirus. the reason i'm suring it is to show people how close these workers are standing. they usually wear gloves and hair nets. they are dealing with raw food that will be going to the grocery store. you can see how labor intensive this process is. how have they pla-- have they explained how they would not having these people standing side by side? they're not socially distanced? >> i walked around packing houses because i grew up in sioux city. you would have to cut your production dramatically. i'm not sure they are willing to do that. i don't know how you separate your employees and be profitable. i don't think it can happen in packing house but i could be wrong. >> i preernappreciate your time thank you for explaining that. the big question is you want the workers to be safe but people also don't know about their own food supply and there's this

double fear. thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. appreciate it. i want to go to dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, it's interesting what the mayor is saying and obviously you and i are not meat processing plant experts here but what he seems like he's saying is it will be very difficult to provide the protection that you would need to and have the production that you need to for the country at the same time and now that the president is saying these plant plants have to stay open. does that carry a risk? >> the thing that strikes me even the cdc is weighing in on these types of plants, specifically trying to offer some guidance which is not going to be surprising guidance in terms of trying to maintain the physical distance. also making the point, which i think is an important point is it's distance but duration. sometimes people are standing next to each other for 10 to 12 hours sometimes as my understanding from the cdc's website. when you have prolonged contact with people, that's also a risk

factor even if you maintain that physical distance. the other point, erin, comes back to the same issue we have been talking about for a while. regardless of what kind of industry or business, if you don't have adequate testing, because you do the temperature checks, that's important but we know full well that people who don't have symptoms can be harboring the virus. if you don't do the testing and it's not robust enough, in that area, the positivity rate is around 16%. you need to have it below 10% to know you're doing enough testing. they're not there yet. they have to have testing to be able to pull the workers out right away, isolate them. trace the context. all the stuff we have talked about. there's some environments that will be challenging to guarantee the safety and they had people who have gotten really sick and died there. it's huge concern. >> in that video, that was pre-coronavirus. that wear all that protection equipment before that and it was

still spraeading. people who think wearing mask and yo can be next to somebody, that video should explain why it's not that simple. i also want the play what president trump said about what's going to happen to the virus. i showed fauci saying his deep concerns for the fall and winter. here is what the president said today. >> our experts believe the worst days of pandemic are behind us. i think what happens is it will go away. this will go away and whether it comes back in a modified form in the fall we'll be able to handle it. we'll be able to put out spurts and we're very prepared to handle it. sg >> go away and modified form. i don't know what he's trying to say with modified form. what do you say to that? >> well, you know, i wish that were the case. i mean i think that in the beginning when we started tracking the novel coronavirus there was a question of will there be seasonality to this. sort of have these ebbs and

flows depending on weather. what is becoming clear even in place where is the weather got warm and very humid, the virus continue to spread, a lot. china, for example, even after the weather there changed, it continued to spread. first we thought maybe we'll be a little bit protected because southern hemisphere wasn't exploding with the number of case, but it is. it's a contagious virus. we don't have immunity to it. those two things in combination means it's not going to go away. as far as coming back in a modified form, perhaps this is good news in the sense this doesn't appear to be mutating that much. people always worry could it mutate to something worse. that hardly ever happens. it appears to be stable which might be good news for future vaccines. unfortunately, it doesn't look like this is going away. >> as you point out, a virus could get less severe over time. president trump was asked today a about testing and the five

million number he said would be doing per day. he said we would be there very soon. how soon? >> i find it hard to reconcile what he's saying with what i heard from the briefing yesterday in terms of the white house's plan. when i did the calculations and anybody can do them, they are talking about 2% testing per month. 6 to 7 million per month. five million per day is what the har vard school of public health said we need by mid-june. they say we need to go up to 20 million a day in order to really be in a position where some of these industries, some of the ones we're talking about can start to reopen. you can look at the delta here. it's significant. this is how many we have done so far. 5.8 million. you know, the white house maybe 6 or 7 million a month. ultimately, 20 million a day. i think that we can get there. the plan that was laid out yesterday didn't give me a lot of confidence that plan was going to get us there. there's a lot of things that

need to change. this really needs to be a priority. i still feel like there's a you're responsible for this. you're responsible for this. this is a national effort. it has to be national effort at this point because we're all in it together. if state fails, that's going to affect you. it's going to affect me no matter where that state is, erin. >> thank you very much, sanjay. next, why was mike pence, today, at a hospital without a mask? even though the hospital told his office that he needed to wear one. plus a cnn investigation begging for help. hospitals and clinics say testing in this country has stalled or even stopped in some cases. how is this still possibly happening in the united states? tens of thousands of students at a huge public university may be able to go back to campus, to the dorms for the fall term. i'll talk to the president of the school who is a doctor about why he thinks it's the right thing to do. into a smaller life?

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♪ ♪ vice president pike menamik with an explanation that doesn't add up. you can see the vice president here. he is the only one to state the obvious who is not wearing a mask even though that's the policy of the mayo clinic which says it shared the policy with the vice president's office and that when asked why he didn't

wear one, here is what the vice president said. >> since i don't have the coronavirus, i thought it would be a good opportunity for me to be here and to be able to speak to these researchers, these incredible health care personnel and look them in the eye and say thank you. >> all right, here's the thing. it's not about whether he has the virus or not. he doesn't have the virus. it's also not about looking a health care professional in the eye because you still can if you're wearing a mask. it's not a burka. it's about setting an example. instead of ignoring the rules that officials are asking people to follow. dana bash, chief political correspondent and dr. jonathan reiner who advised the white house medical team. let me start with you, doctor. as a doctor here and also given the role that you had advising a white house. what's your reaction to the vice president of the united states being the only one to ignore the formal policy of the mayo clinic

that had been conveyed to his office in not wearing a mask? >> well, so wrong. so tone deaf. look, first of all, on one level this is just another in a series of mixed messages that we have gotten from the kwhowhite house about this crisis. we tell the public that we want you to wear mask when you go out in public and now the vice president shows up at a hospital and refuses to wear a mask. we saw today that jet blue is going to require all passengers to wear mask but yet the vice president of the united states goes to a hospital and doesn't wear mask. i was in late last night for an emergency procedure and early this morning. every second in the hospital i wore a mask. most of the time when i wasn't in the presence of a patient and i wore the mask and we wear the mask every time we're in the hospital all the time we're in the hospital to protect our colleagues. when we tell a patient -- when

we tell the community to wear a mask, we're telling them to protect their neighbors, the old lady that lives next door, the man down the street. you wear mask to protect the community. we want that message to be perpetuated by the president and the vice president yet they refuse to do so. i think it's disgraceful. >> dana, to the point that dr. reiner is making, be vice president didn't wear the mask today. president trump said he's not going to wear one. his messaging has been confusing, to say the least. here he is. >> i just don't want to wear one myself. sitting in the oval office behind that beautiful resolute daysi desk wearing a face mask s i greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, queens, kings, i don't know. i don't see it for myself. >> i mean it's almost like

saying, he's too important to wear one and today the vice president whether he realize add that, although he should have, was sending the same message. what does that tell people across the country that they should be doing? >> well, it's one thing to not wear a mask in the oval office or at the white house. a lot of people aren't wearing masks who are tested out and about who we see at the white house. it's not just the president. it's a completely different thing when a senior official, one of the most senior officials, particularly the head of the task force goes to a hospital and goes to a hospital in order to get out a message about the work that the hospital is doing and i can tell you there's frustration inside the vice president's office now because they understand full well that everything that they wanted to do to highlight the work that the mayo clinic is doing is getting swept under the

rug or overshadowed by the fact that he made a mistake. he should have worn a mask because of the guidelines of his own cdc, because of the rules of the mayo clinic and as both you have said just common sense when it comes to optics in leadership. despite the vice president defending himself and explaining himself, that the reality of the mistake is setting in as we speak. >> pence said this to reporters when they asked why he didn't wear a mask. here is his response. >> as vice president of the united states, i'm tested for the coronavirus on a regular basis. every one who is around me is tested for the coronavirus. >> obviously, that's a good thing. it's really beside the point, isn't it? >> it's beside the point. first of all, his test is only valid at the moment he's tested. he comes into contact with a lot of people. while he may have been a

negative when he was tested at whatever point during the week, he wasn't tested as he was walking into the mayo clinic. the vice president wouldn't disrespect the synagogue and not wear a skull cap when he walked into a temple or he wouldn't refuse to remove his shoes when he walked into a mosque. hospitals are our new holy places and he's completely disrespecting the sacrifice that the nurses and the docs make by not wearing a mask. what is he saying to them? >> i guess that really is the question and also an opportunity to explain to people about when they should wear a mask. when you're outside if you're out alone or not in a essential distance with someone you don't need to wear it. he was very close with hepeople that's the opportunity to show people that's when you wear the mask. >> yeah. this is obviously a very different situation we're about to tell you about but i was with the vice president at the dmz

between north and south korea three years ago. he was incredibly attune to the optics of what it's going to look like. given whether he was behind the glass or outside all of that, given that in knowing him and knowing that he understands optics and what that means, imagery, what that means for leadership and how it's per sooefred, it is surprising that he, no matter what his staff said, no matter what the hospital said, didn't get that intuitively when he looked around and saw everybody else wearing a mask, it was surprising. >> just on a human level, every one is wearing one, you're not. you feel awkward. you notice you're not like the others. thank you both very much. next a cnn investigation revealing why testing in the united states remains, as of this point, in the words of one expert, a disgrace. a huge public university hopes to welcome students back to

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tonight, president trump claiming we'll be at five million tests per day very soon. that is of course far beyond current levels just to lay those out. right now we're testing 200,000 a day. they are about to get to five million. dr. anthony fauci is skeptical about the time line to ramp up production. >> i'm always the skeptic in the group and i always say, okay, hair you. i believe you. let's see what happens. let's see what happens. >> one of the big problems some hospitals are facing now is a shortage in the critical supplies needed for the tests themselves. drew griffin is outfront with this investigation. >> what the president says at his briefings. >> confident we have enough testing to begin reopening. >> reporter: is not the reality at labs across the country. >> every day is a struggle. >> reporter: a cnn investigation find a critical shortage of covid-19 testing supplies at

many labs is delaying and halting testing and the supplies that are available are distributed unevenly levering big commercial labs with everything they need while some hospitals, clinki clinics and other medical facilities don't have enough. mary is ceo of premier health hospital system who sent a letter earlier this month to ohio's governor saying inequitiable distribution of reagent, the chemicals needed to perform tests was impacting patient care standards. >> we kept running into information from vendors that said they had reagent but they couldn't sell it to us. that was of concern to me. >> reporter: different labs need different supplies. for some it's swabs or reagent. multiple health care facilities tell cnn supplies they order don't arooirive or they only ge

fraction of what they need. >> it's not usual to place a order and be told the order will be cancelled and it can't be filled or we only get 10% of what we order. >> reporter: the biggest commercial labs like quest and lab corp. say they have the supplies they need. the white house task force even shared plans to prioritize supplies for commercial labs. the big labs make up more than half of all testing in the united states, more than three million tests so far. experts say the inequity is leaving critical health care facilities where sick patients go to tested without necessary supplies. >> i think it's a disgrace. to prioritize testing to be sent away from the hospital that may have the capacity to do in house testing is contrary to all the principals of optimal patient car. >> reporter: the heading of labor task associations have been asking for help like carmen wiley with the american association for clinical chemistry describing significant barriers to testing because of

shortage of necessary supplies. >> we feel there's a disconnect between the theoretical capacity and what we're able to do. >> reporter: some state governments also complaining about lack of supplies. washington, d.c. health director says the district is only able to do half the number of tests it could if it had proper supplies and it's clear the task force knows. this document shared with governors obtained by cnn shows the federal government discussing barriers to testing including insufficient laboratory personnel, funding and supplies. >> today we're we leasing additional guidance on testing to informer the states. >> reporter: monday the white house released a blue print for change that critics say changing little. state and local labs fends for themselves adding to confusion, scarcity and lack of tests where they are needed most. overall testing numbers are inching up when experts say we need leaps. harvard estimates 500,000 tests

a day at minimum are needed to reopen the country. current aver rages are less tha half that amount. on cnn dr. fauci acknowledged the problem. he said the federal government needed to do a better job of connecting the dots. right now health care workers, facilities, labs have heard that before. they're just going to wait and see if the federal government does anything. >> all right. thank you. very much. it's ironic especially as the president says the federal government is place to go of last resort, not how the states feel. let's go straight to dr dr. shaftner. i really appreciate having you back. drew was talk about the shortages for supplies. a lot of people say it's been months since i've been hearing about reagent and how we don't

have enough. how is this happen ng united states right now? >> well, it's a big wonder, isn't it. why don't we have it federally organized so that all the manufacturers and all the components of the test are working overtime in other words -- in order to supply this need. it's a bit of mystery to lots foefks and to me also. i would think with more federal direction we could solve this problem. the aspirational goal of having many, many more tests is there. in some parts of the country, things are getting better, including in my own state. we're testing mu this week and the week before that. we're making steps in the right direction.

>> what's your reaction when the president said -- he's repeatedly, governors this is on you. it's not my problem. we're the place to go of last resort. that doesn't seem to match with what you're say iing and other experts are saying that to do this right you need it to come from the federal level. >> it appears straightforward that federal coordination would work best. it's the orchestra conductor keeping in it tune. >> let's get to how much testing is needed. you're saying it's going the right way in several places. we need direction but ex exponential. white house says their goal is to have each state test 2% of

residents. that's over a period of a month. that would take four years to test every american and would not be acceptable. do you agree that goal does not cut it? >> well, i'm not sure about numbers but we need to test many more people. that will allow us to know where there's more and where there's less and we need to have testing so we can make the most diagnosis in the most people and test all the people who are exposed. those are the reasons we need the tests and every one is saying we need more tests for those quite legitimate both clinical and public health reasons. >> all right. thanks again. good to see you. next, the university of

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tonight, coronavirus presenting a difficult decision for colleges across the united states and that is whether to reopen campuses in the fall, to allow students to go about such a crucial time of their lives as schedule e scheduled. one university president who is a doctor said he is optimistic that his 46,000 students can return to school and dorms. outfront now is the president of university of arizona and a cardiac surgeon. you come to this as an academic and medical professional. as a medical professional you know the risks. you know the risks about reopening a college campus with nearly 46,000 students for the fall. what makes you optimistic.

do you believe you'll be open in the traditional sense of people being on campus? >> i do. thanks for inviting me onto your program. i think that it will be a combination of face-to-face classes and continuing what we're doing today which is a remote distance learning online modes. we're excited about having our students come back to campus. >> i'm sure there's a lot of them thrilled. i'm sure some are nervous but many want to continue with their education in the traditional sense. harvard announced it will open in the fall. the real headline was the warning from the provost is we will need to prepare for a scenario in which much or all learning will be conducted remotely. what do you say to the institutions that are saying

most or all of their learning could be online in the fall? >> we think we can safely get people back to campus. we began to develop our testing kits and swabs for the viral load and then in parallel we began developing this antibody test that we're going to offer to all 60,000 of our university community. all of our full, staculty, staf students. >> you'll be able to test everybody? >> yes. >> i don't know anybody that has that sort of optimism. with what frequency? does this allow people to be back in dorms, actually? >> yes, we think so.

we have to use the precautions for mitigating this virus. we get the ultimate herd immu immunity this ch which is the v which is still a year away. we think frequent testing, tracing and then to isolate our students will help us to safely navigate through this. the governor of the state of arizona found out that we r doing this and developing this all in-house at the university of arizona and asked if we could be willing to scale up and test all front line health care providers and first responders in the state of arizona. we begin that testing tomorrow. >> do you have everything you need because you developed it in house whether it be reagent or you've got everything to actually conduct and read the test? >> yes. we think we have everything we need. we're working on supply chains.

we feel confident we'll be all set for that. then the health care providers were planning to get that done in the next month or so. i would like to see it expand test all 7.3 million residents of the state of arizona. we're working with public entities, with philanthropic dollars and our private partners to raise the money to accomplish this. >> thank you very much. i hope you do accomplish that. i hope if you're able to reopen, you go at it with these plans, if you can. i know for a lot of kids that will make a big difference. thank you, sir. >> thank you. next, joe biden get a major endorsement today. this as accusations of a sexual assault in the 1990s hang over

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the party, the democratic party as i was just saying, you had hillary clinton endorsing joe biden before the break. and we were talking about allegations about joe biden from a woman decades ago. i want to go to m.j. lee. she said she had new reporting on this. i wanted to start, m.j., by asking you about this woman tara reed. what is she alleging about joe biden? >> well, tara reed is a woman who was an aide in joe biden's senate office back in the 1990s. what she has previously told cnn is that in 1993, she was asked to deliver a duffle bag to then senator biden, and that somewhere in a corridor on capitol hill, she had an

interaction with him where he had her up against a wall, spread open her legs with his knee and put his fingers inside of her. now, the biden campaign has vehemently denied this allegation and we'll talk about their full response in just a few minutes. but one thing to note is that reed publicly said last year that there were interactions, physical interactions with biden that had made her feel uncomfortable, like him touching her neck or her hair, but now she says that the full story is that she was sexually assaulted by joe biden as well. >> so, you spoke with reed's former neighbor and she's going on the record. what is she saying? >> that's right. linda la cast was tara reed's neighbor in 1990s in california. we spoke with her yesterday on the phone. this is after business insider first broke this story. la caw said in the mid 1990s, 1995, 1996, she had a

conversation with reed outside of her homes and reed told her details of the assault two years earlier. when she was telling the story she was crying, she was emotional, she was sort of grappling with what she said happened to her. and la cass remembers telling reed she should file a police report. reed said she didn't do that at the time. this account purportedly told to la cass after the alleged assault is the first time we are hearing about reed's allegation. reed's brother told us there was an incident at the time he was aware of. he didn't know the full details. and a friend has told cnn she was told about the alleged assault at the time, but she is not willing to go on the record. >> so, m.j., do we know why la cass is choosing to speak out now? >> well, la cass said she and tara reed lost contact for many years after the mid 1990s and

that that conversation she actually hadn't thought about all those years, a few years ago she got back in touch. last year when tara reed mentioned joe biden, la cass said she remembered the conversation we had in the 1990s and more recently she said she told her ex-neighbor i'm willing to talk publicly about this conversation that we had. notably la cass said she is a democrat and she is opposed to donald trump, and that she plans on voting for joe biden come november because she absolutely cannot support donald trump. >> so, m.j., what is the biden campaign saying in response to this? >> so, the biden campaign is not addressing the linda la cass allegation, her account, but they did refer us to the previous statement that they have released from the campaign manager kate buddingfield. vice president dedic