let's make sure we are doing everything we can. why? that's the way to best protect the health of our social workers. it makes sense you don't want the essential workers to get sick and again it is our obligation as human beings to reciprocate and make sure we are doing everything we can. now to say disinfect every train every 24 hours is just a test that nobody has ever imagined before, okay? i would wager in the history of

public transportation in this nation, you never had a challenge of disinfecting every train in every 24 hours. disinfect, how do you even disinfect a train? you know we clean trains but how do you disinfect? this is a whole new process and these are new process and chemicals and new equipment for workers and new methods. just think about it, you have to disinfect every place that a hand could touch on a subway r car, every rail, pole and every door where ever a hand could touch or caught sneezing or where ever droplets could land. you have to disinfect the entire

of the car and the handrails and everything that people touch. it is a massive under taken we have never seen before but that's the right thing to do. that's as we said we have never done tracing before or disinfecting trains and cars before, so what? that's what we have to do. figure out how to do of what you have to do and this is what we have to do. and i challenge the nmta to com up with a plan. they came up with a plan to clean buses and trains every night. they stop services at night so they can perform this service. remember the context we are in, ridership is down 92%. one through five are these slow hours, 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. is

the slowest ridership estimated about 10,000 people running the system overall during that period of time so the mta will launch what they call the essential connecter program. they'll have buses and will provide for higher vehicles to transport a person at no cost to essential workers. people who needs transportation during 1:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. can have it and will have it. even to the extent for a higher vehicle paid for the mta. remember 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m.,

we don't have bars open or restaurants open so you don't have a lot of traffic that you would normally have. you do have essential workers who are using our trains and subways and they'll have transportation for that period of time. this is going to be one of the most aggressive, creative challenging under takens th, th mta have done. it is not easy to stop train service. you have to close down train station and make sure people don't walk in and you have to figure out how to clean all these trains and stations. i have consulted with the

elected officials on the mta's recommendation and we all agree to accept the plan on the kek essential connecter program. the mta is under taking something that people said is virtually impossible. service will continue. mta will also disinfect the fleet on the metro north on the long island. they can do that without any disruption and service because of the volume of ridership and etc. so just think about it. the entire public transit system in down state new york will be disinfected every 24 hours. this is joint mta and state and

city and partnership, we are doing a lot of things here we have never done before and i have never want to shy away from the challenge. i don't think the government has that option. i don't want to say oh, that's too much, too hard or ambitious. we can do it and i believe we can do it. i believe we can do anything. i believe we can build bridges and airports and defeat global pandemics. but, this is as ambitious as anything that we already under taken. it is going to require a lot of extraordinary service and effort from multiple agencies working together. the mta has stepped up by recommending this plan. the state will do whatever it has to do. big part of this falls to the city and i have spoken to mayor

de blasio, it is going to require a lot of assistance from different city agencies. again closing down every station and close down the trains. we never been here before. i guarantee of another ten things come up when we go to do this that are also unanticipated consequences. the mayor really is stepping up to the plate here and is doing something no mayors have attempted to do before. we'll all do our part but it is a heck of under taken for the mayor. i applaud him for stepping up. i know it is always easier to say no. it is always easier to say we can't do it. when you say we will try to do

it now you are changing things. it is always easier to stay at a status quo and not to risk to be -- not try to raise the bar, maybe you can't do or there will be problems so it is easier to say no and this is all we can do. that's not what the mayor is doing. he's stepping up and stepping up in a big way. i want to applaud him for it. i think we have the mayor who's on the telephone for some electronic means. there he is. mayor de blasio. welcome to albany. >> hi governor. it is a pleasure to be with you. >> we are doing something

different and necessary and being willing together to go some place we never been before. you and i talked about this idea a lot over the years. i think when we met each other the word disruption was considered a bad thing and in recent years it taken on a positive connotation that when we disrupt something that is not working or has been thought about in a narrow way and go to some place new and better, that's a positive. what we talk about today is exactly that. i commend you and everyone at the mta and i want to talk about why i think this plan is so important in terms of our essential workers and first responders, healthcare hero heroes --s heroes heroes -- why i think is important and also addressing homelessness in a powerful way. i want to express my 'appreciation with you soft one of your optics on contact

tracing. michael bloomberg is stepping up in a big way for new york city and new york state and contact tracing, the test tracer approach is going to change everything. you and i are united in that as well. aggressive approach. you a i think we'll be able to show this country a model that's going to be extraordinary to beat this disease. right here with the mta, look at the consistent heroism and healthcare workers and first responders and the grocery store workers and pharmacies and everyone who came forward and governor i know you feel it,

too. it is the proudest moment we had as public service in the state and the city watching the heroism of these new yorkers stepping up. we owe it to them to understand their lives the notion they have daily routine and they go into battle and where the exception is which so many people could not imagine but that's what these heroes are doing. we owe it to them to support them every way possible. you and i have talked about ppes and basic protections but we also owe it to them on the way to work and on the way back home to their families. what we are doing in partnership is the exactly the right thing to say. we'll find a way to make our subway system cleaner than it ever been in history honestly and address this crisis in a whole new way. i agree with that and i commend you for it and yeah, it took some disruption to say we are going to do something during

this pandemic that we never done before. it made sense when it comes to protecting our heroes. second point is homelessness. we know it is a retractable issue because there was not always an impulse to disrupt. here is the example of saying look we now have found new ways to get street homeless people off the street. i want to commend the nypd have been focusing on our homeless and services and those heroic outreach workers. governor you know about this work. we go out there to engage with homeless people and get them to shelter in housing. this work has always been in

some way of a homeless person struggling of everything they are dealing with, mental health and substance abuse challenges and riding the subway all night long. it is putting a dark light in this crisis. well, it is an unacceptable reality. this new plan will disrupt that unacceptable reality and allows to get help to people more effectively. if you are not going back and forth on a train, you are coming out with workers to help you. nypd are there to help homeless people and get them to a better situation. i am proud to say the last few years homeless services of nypd, nonprofit organizations we got together and we are not allowing

that anymore. we are helping the homeless to get to the help they need. this is another example of that. i want to let you know as we all talk about this idea and i commend you and your team and all the media and the team at mta, it has been as productive conversation these last few days. we'll do something unprecedented and something that's never done before. we'll do something that's going to protect people and offer a new way to get people help we never got enough. governor, thank you, i think this is a partnership. it is not going to be easy. no one said it was going to be easy. you have my full commitment and all of our agencies. we'll make this work together and we'll be able to look back and say we did something that actually change people's lives for the better and as long as it takes we are going to stand with you and get this done. >> thank you.

>> thank you very much mayor de blasio. the mayor made a lot of good point. nobody said it is going to be easy but nobody said it will be this hard either. we are doing things all over the board here. there are lessons to learn and we'll take with us, telemedicine and remote learning and education and new public housing system is a lesson we'll take with us. i think we'll improve and learn from this experience with the new york city transit system because the truth is it was not working well or as well as it should before. we did have a problem with the homeless. and bill is right, mayor de blasio is right. i worked on it all my life. outreaching to people is very, very hard and getting them to

come into a place that actually provide services is very, very hard. so this can actually energize the connections with our wo homeless population and disinfect trains like this or buses like this and they'll be cleaner than ever before. global pandemic, you live, you learn and move on and most importantly you meet the challenge. you meet the challenge. this is a daunting challenge. the mayor is stepping into it with eyes opened and it takes guts and courage. there will be bumps along the way, i guarantee but that's where we are and that's where we get the big bucks. i also want to say today to the essential workers, we thank you,

not just with words but with our actions and i want you to know we are doing everything we can to keep you and your family safe. that's what it means to say thank you. act with gratitude. they're on those trains and they deserve to be kept safe and deserve to have clean, safe ride to and from work and they're going to have it. we'll move heaven and earth to make sure it happens. so, in a challenge, what do we do? we come together and where he ri he -- we'll rise to the occasion. we never done it before and we'll do it now and figure out how to do it. we have over come every obstacles we have been thrown.

we are making ground everyday. we have to keep et up and we will. we are new york tough, we are smart and we are discipline and we are you know nyunified and w loving. >> what are the exact parameters for that? when is the effective date? >> the morning hours of wednesday. >> when do we expect a decision on schools and other -- >> as i said by the end of the week when you asked earlier this week, i said by the end of the week, nothing changed. >> like tomorrow? >> what are your response to criticism that seattle was quick to respond to the virus while you and mayor de blasio were not

as quick. >> no states, no faster at the time from the first case of a total shutdown. if you count days, no states move faster from the first case to total close down, march 1st through march 19th. no states at that time moves faster. period. >> the emphasis at the beginning of this was on the west coast, they stop the international planes coming into the west coast. they did not shutdown the international flights coming from the east coast? where do the flights come? new york. where do you see problems of the cases new york city and newark. we know there were 10,000 cases in new york city before we knew of our first positive case. while the federal government

focuses focused on the west coast and they had their first case in january and california did their shutdown on march 19th. they did not close international travels until march 16th. by the time we got our first positive case on confirmation, we shutdown fully by march 20th. between march 1st and 20th, we shutdown schools, colleges and restaurants and bars and literally zero guidance from federal government. >> also, look, i am not big in figures or doing monday morning quarterback especially when you are in the middle of the game. the times you go back and look, they did not write an editorial saying we should close down until after i closed down, right?

the sources i quote saying well, maybe we should have closed down earlier and after that there is no evidence of closing down of schools, for example, makes a difference. if you don't have to consistent and it is easy to raise a point. >> governor, if you have done the shutdown a week or two, how much help would it be? >> people would say you get a range, people would say you had cases coming here from europe which nobody knew. we had something like 2 million people coming from europe because the virus went from china to europe and came here

from europe. nobody saw that happening, otherwi otherwise, you would have done a europe travel ban when you did a china travel ban. just nobody saw it coming. if you rewind the tape, i would go back to november, december when you knew there was a virus and who were the international watchdogs and who were the international public health operations? where is the c.d.c. and nih and where was "the new york times" editorial board? everybody missed it. governors don't do global pan d pandemics. >> governor cuomo of new york at the end defending his state's

response. he was asked to compare to washington state, he said no state moved more quickly in shouting down. one of his top aid made clear that the president shut off traveling from china but traveling from europe was coming from the east coast, as the case count went on march. most of the briefing is spent on reopening the economy. new york state would need an army of 17,000 contact tracers. those who will follow up when new people are testing positive. you saw along discussions about sanitizing and disinfecting everyday night of the new york city subway stations and commuter trains that go out to new jersey and long island and up in connecticut. just imagine whether you live in boston or chicago or los angeles here or united states, paris or rome or beijing, around the world, this is the challenge that governors have to go to. many of those people get on the

subway or train or bus or streetcar will have the coronavirus. how do you protect safety as you put people back to work? governor cuomo says good news on the medical front but much more of his time is spent on the complexity of opening challenges ahead. this hour the american reopening experience. the white house weighing new guidelines how businesses and schools and other organizations should we open and what precautions should they take. nick valencia is breaking this news and joining us now. lay out what it recommends from the c.d.c. >> we want to take you inside what's happening right now in washington, d.c. and how it may affect your future. as we are told by federal health officials the white house is currently reviewing a 17-page

cdc draft documents, part of the reopening america's plan here. it is a guideline that lays out institutions like schools and organizations and others should do to keep people safe here going forward. forgive me if i am reading here. we are just getting this draft here, breaking down cnn. some of the details include schools should spaced desks at least 6 feet apart, avoiding assemblies and field trips and have students eat lunch in classrooms and churches. limit large gatherings and rely on virtual or restaurants and follow those guidelines wearing facial coverings. finally and just quickly restaurants are on this list as well. draft documents should move towards disposable menus and plates and utensils. cnn did reach out to the white

house task force a couple of hours ago, we still have not heard back. this 17-page document could be the guidance here. we want to stress this could change as it is kuscurrently be reviewed at the white house. >> in the middle of this breaking news, do we have any sense when this draft goes public or making some changes. i ask in the context of every state starting their experiment if there is going to be new federal guidelines whoa, don't do that or this. the sooner the better i would expect is the matter of urgency. >> here in georgia you have governor kemp being poised to loosen their ease social distancing here and federal guidance that's expected to expire midnight, we don't know when this will be talked about and potentially at a briefing later today. if you want to learn more, you can go to cnn.com. we have the 17 page document we

tre tweeted out. this the government document th verified that's being reviewed at the white house. >> great reporting nick valencia. >> with me dr. phillips. we have a 50-state experience going on and counties and cities going something different than the governor. the cdc is drafting this document, how important do you think it is. if you are opening your restaurant restaurants, this is what you should be doing. if you are having services at your church, this is how you should do it. how critical is that? >> it is critical, i am thrilled the guidelines came from the cdc because they are the experts. one thing that governor cuomo says we have never done this thing before with the pandemic.

we have done thing s with the epidemic and the cdc is the group that holds the knowledge and have the experience how to manage contagent mana manage contagions. the fact that the cdc is coming up with the guidance is a hope in my mind. >> you are a medical professional, i am trying to get the complexity at this. i know you are an advocate for more testing and necessary contact tracing, that's one piece of it. a lot of tension between the federal government and governor state and local officials where the federal government says you have all you need and local officials saying no, you don't. the other step, maybe you are watching in seattle where you are or watching around the world, you may think why do i care about mta, the new york city subway system. the piece of the puzzle is

fascinating. do you have contact tracing? as you ask people to go back to work, that's one piece of it. they have to know when they get on a bus in a streetcar that it has been cleaned. >> you are exactly right. the governor was trying to describe something that's actually, doing this is like playing 3-dimensional chess. there are pieces you have to think about all places. we have to control the virus and does healthcare have capacity or can you test and isolate or trace and isolate. those five pieces we have to solve for. as you start going those pieces start to magnifying out. it is like a tree that branches out ward s outward. everywhere you are, is it going

to be safe? every environment you come in contact with, you have to think of the specifics of that particular place. the governor did a great job talking about the rock you have to cross as you play this 3-dimensional complex game. >> it is challenging for every one of us. dr. amy compton-phillips, i appreciate your insight and experti expertise. if you are interested in this story, join cnn's jack tapper, the "pandemic and the president" this sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern. president trump weighing in on the michael flynn's case from the oval office.

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going public of their request, keep flynn out of prison. a federal prosecutor unfairly targeted general flynn who was fired. general flynn pleaded guilty but not yet been sentenced. what was the the note and why do they think this is a smoking gun that helps them. >> this is the strangest behind the scene drama that nobody is paying attention to. if you take a look at the note they turned over to mike flynn's attorney, it appears the goal here is to undermine the prosecution that essentially these notes should have been turned over or earlier. the issue is if you look at this note, it is not clear what it is

about. you see that the fbi at the time writes some notes about sowhat e goals is here is to get flynn alive and prosecute him. that's what flynn's attorney are pointing to. see, we told you the justice department that the fbi at the time was trying to entrap flynn. the bottom line here is this. mike flynn and even if the fbi lied to him or tried to trap him, all he had to do is tell the truth. he lied at the time. he lied to the fbi and twice by the way pleaded guilty before two separate judges in this case. one of the questions that is burning here whether the justice department is going to continue to support this prosecution or whether they're going to drop the charges. it is not clear what the judge in i c this case is going to do.

what is the justice department going to do? and the bottom line is the president who has the power to pardon kanani time s can any ti pardon flynn and this can be all over. here is president trump moments ago. >> he's in the process of exoneration. these were dirty cops at the top of the fbi. you know the names better than i do. general flynn was treated like nobody should have been, nobody in this country should have been

treated. they did it right at the beginning. they did it right - well, look at what they did to the guy. he could not have known too much what was happening. they came at him at 15 buses and he's standing in the middle of the highway. what they did to this man, they tormented him and destroyed him but he's going to come back like i say he's going to come back bigger and better. i hear a lot of stuff coming out and i believe everything i am reading because i like to stay out of it. i don't have to stay out of it at all but i would like to stay out of it. >> i want to bring in our former fbi assistance and evan perez is still with us. the president can stay out of it. when he does leap into it, he should acknowledge the contact of general flynn and chris christ

christie, chief early on before he was replaced and warned him not to bring general flynn into the administration and he twice pleaded guilty. when you look at this note, the author of this note, does it jump out to you like michael flynn's lawyer, ah-ha entrapment? >> there is nothing interesting about this note at all. i know that bill who was reported the author of this note, you could not find a dedicated or smarter or cautious fbi agent than bill prestaph. the only interesting that i find interesting is that we have the defendant, mr. flynn, repeatedly admitted to his wrong doing and fired by the president because of his wrong doing and ultimately charged by doj. president trump's doj for his

wrong doing and is now trying to get out of this mess that he created first doj that did not work and next to the judge which never works that somehow he was lying into his lies. i can't believe flynn is buying into this and flynn is clearly trying. >> he's clearly trying and he has the president's attention. >> one thing important to point out, it is a strange thing that the justice department is turning over this information to the flynn's attorneys. normally you would do this if you go back and look at the documents and you say oh my god you know there is something excalpaexc exculpatory that we should turn this over. it is a rather interesting thing

that's happening behind the scenes here. we don't know what exactly the department is going to do but on a normal circumstances you know you would look at these notes and say do they show that this was some exculpatory information that should be turned over to defense. it is not clear why they are turning this over other than the fact if you look at this is going to serve to undermine this case, this is a case that emerged from the mueller investigation. there is a lot of politics involved here and that's one of the reasons why we are all watching this closely. >> and greg, i want to read a little bit of the note. this is apart of the note that general flynn's attorney says they're trying to entrap him. what's our goal? get him to lie so we can prosecute him or if we get him admit to break the logan act,

give facts to d.o.j. and have them decide. this is a strategy memo but what are we trying. this is incredibly sensitive. the white house is watching, let's make sure we do it right. >> that's the waybill pristap and everybody that i associated at the fbi did anything. they did it by the book and they try to do the right thing. i see no exception here. trying to did a narrativ narrative -- seems to indicate that it is working or with respect of the president. i don't think it is going to work with the judge. >> one of the reasons the judge likes to air on a repeated basis.

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the spike in some states cases are turning the wrong direction. states are getting back to business. take to look at restrictions. arkansas begin to openarkansas' governor describing this as phase one.

>> so if we can have this limited opening of dine-in services on may 11th and we are successful in making sure we follow the guidelines and we protect safety then we'll be able to go onto normal operations. dr. nate smith, the arkansas of health secretary. he joins us now. 81 new confirmed cases yesterday in your state. that's a trend down and you are comfortable with reopening? >> that's a slight trend down. we are comfortable with reopening. we are doing it incrementally step by step. since we never have a stay-at-home order, we are ahead of some other states. we are opening up carefully and cautiously but we are going to make good progress. >> and so what are you watching and what are the one or two data that are critical to you to know that you see the governor, we

have a circuit break here, is it case counts or hospitalizations what are you watching the experience to hope it is working or hope not or maybe it is not. >> the two mingain things i am looking at and the governor as well is our new cases per day but also looking for clusters that could be related to some of the new businesses we open. if we see a cluster related to something we changed, the restrictions remove, we'll go into adjust or rethink it in some way. >> we talked about i before and i appreciate you coming back. you have some of processing clusters and these are a major in public health crisis and a major question of supplies chain. what are you learning of keeping essential workers on the job but making sure they are safe? >> we have not had any plans to

close in arkansas. we have been communicating closely with that industry. they have obviously a high level of motivation to keep their workers safe and healthy so that they don't have to shutdown and we are working with them to make sure the messaging is getting out especially when their language barriers and cultural barriers need to be over come. >> cnn reported this hour of a new draft cdc's document that's being reviewed here from washington came up from atlanta. we talked a couple weeks back about a cluster you had after a faith gathering in your state, among the recommendations would be if you can keep doing virtual services, is there any way to bring it outside and space them out and recommendations for restaurants and large gatherings. do you want the federal government to give you a blueprint to use or each state should do it their own way? >> well, i always welcome input

from our federal partners especially from the cdc. they have a high level of expertise and they have been helpful to us. the dialogue we have with them and their leadership from the beginning allowed them to understand our situation and give us useful and not only the guidelines. of course we gone ahead and developed some of our own guidance but it is always good to have the cdc guidance to compare and we can tailor it to our situation. >> what's your sense? we talk to correspondents and business on the ground, we think is safe to do this? what is your sense? do people need assurance that it is going to be safe? >> i think both. many people have continued working. those who have not been working, i think they are quite ready at

the same time. people need to know we are doing it safely and taking all the precautions we need to minimize the spread of covid-19 just as we have been doing since the beginning. >> dr. nate smith, appreciate your time. best of luck and we'll keep in touch as we go through this and compare notes. we wish you the best as you go through this experiment. thank you, sir. >> thank you. in an effort to help testing ability, the pentagon will spend $75 million to ramp up productions at critical testing swabs. the fund will come under the federal defense production act. the goal is to increase swab production by 20 million a month. that company receiving federal funds is purely medical. thanks for joining us today. an important day. our coverage continues with brooke baldwin right now.

have a good afternoon. please stay safe. >> thank yo . thank you, i am brooke baldw baldwin. i got breaking news at this hour. the cdc guidelines the white house is considering how schools and restaurants and churches moving forward. we'll have more on the potential big changes here in a moment and specifics. many changes you are experiencing right now as a majority of the states are in the process of reopening some businesses by the end of the week. plus, the white house's guidelines to keep gathering under 10 people are expiring. 24 states according to john's hopkins data are trending down. u.s. cases are now surpassing 1,046,000. that is means infection in america surpass