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>> it's good. yeah. it's incredible. i spent hours today just staring at him. and limb sleeping on my chest was amazing. and just he's pretty incredible. incredibly exciting. >> gosh, got to be amazing. and he makes little noises. >> squeaky noises, i'm so in love with them. all while he sleeps. i don't know if dreaming or what but definitely squeaking a lot. lovely. trying to record them so i always have them. >> oh, gosh. i'll say, i showed him to my two oldest kids last night. they were grabbing the phone and kissing him. i think because they love you so love him too. >> sweet. >> they're fans, look forward to meeting him. >> i appreciate all your support, erin. you have a great weekend. thanks very much. >> you too, anderson.
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good evening, day of hope as well as uncertainty as fda approves first emergency use of treatment for coronavirus, not a career but gilead science's remdesivir has been shown to reduce mortality rate and duration of illness. dr. deborah birx says this is quote our first positive step forward. one of several milestones we want to address. 1.1 million cases, more than 64,000 people have died in this country. every day thousands of more lives are added to the figure. nevertheless at least 32 states have begun to partially reopen. california governor gavin newsom is days away from lifting some of the restrictions. but mississippi governor reeves
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decided not to go forward, reversed himself after state reported largest yet increase in new cases. according to the governor, this is not over, not out of the woods yet. what weeks and months ahead will look like we don't know. social distancing is still key, testing is still important. cdc issued a report looking back how the virus spread so quickly through the country, one key factor the lack of widespread testing. even regions with largest number of reported cases most persons have not been infected and remain susceptible. on wednesday president trump downplayed need for large scale testing. quoting the president, i don't know all of that is really necessary. now go to nick watt in los angeles. what's the latest? >> reporter: it was 43 days ago that governor newsom told
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everyone in california to stay home. now he says we're days, not weeks away from lifting some restrictions. retail and restaurants will probably be first to open but as he says with serious modifications which they're working on now. that cdc report you mentioned interestingly, people are supposed to be using that going forward to inform how we reopen. what they did, they went back to february when we only had 14 cases and looked at what we did between then and beginning of last week. what we did, how we did it, and perhaps what we could have done differently. limited testing, continued influx of infected travelers from overseas hot spots and cruise ships, and large events like a conference in boston, a funeral in georgia, a mardi gras in new orleans all fuelled devastating early spread of this virus here in the u.s. this according to just released
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report written by cdc's principal deputy director. also flu season made it hard to detect early clusters and movement of the virus in nursing homes and dense urban areas like new york city accelerated transmission. this virus might circulate among us for two years until 60% to 70% are infected. >> this is going to continue to be a rolling situation through the world not just our country. expect many more new yorks to occur. likely they will. >> u.s. death count doubled past two weeks. and new study suggest that 100,000 people in this country will die by midsummer. but in katie, texas, a line at the cafe and grill. restaurants, movie theaters and
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malls can reopen at quarter capacity. >> beginning to see beaches open, guests on the beach. >> reporter: in dallas county, 180 new cases, biggest single day spike they've seen since it began. >> we're reopening today and does feel like a bit of a gamble. >> reporter: partial opening under way in at least 32 states. doesn't appear any of them meet white house guidelines that states have downward trajectory of documented cases in 14-day period. >> some states and cities looking at that and leapfrogging over the first checkpoint. you could get away with that but you're making a really significant risk. >> reporter: meanwhile with ongoing outbreaks at meat processing plants, slowing production, some military commissaries limiting how much meat shoppers can buy. florida will start reopening monday with restaurants and
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retail. largest and hardest hit counties are excluded. >> i don't know we're going to be able to open up beaches really before june. >> reporter: meanwhile in michigan, governor in shadow of armed protesters at the capt extended her state's stay-at-home order through may 28th. >> yesterday's scene at the capital was disturbing to be quite honest, swastikas and confederate flags, automatic rifles do not represent who we are as michiganers. >> reporter: don't know what it's going to look like and going to look different in different places. south carolina started reopening ten days ago. governor inslee in washington state is not going to start until middle of the month. among the first things he's going to allow, drive-in spiritual services with one family per car but he also
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extended washington state's stay-at-home order for another four weeks. >> thanks nick. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. remdesivir. >> we anticipated this. significant move because haven't been any other medication, anything else that really treats this virus as you know, anderson. what this medication shows is a proof of concept, that something can actually affect this virus. anderson, you and i were talking a couple of weeks ago with magic johnson and azt, idea when it came out, wasn't the panacea but such an important start upon which other medication regimens were built. my guess is same thing will happen here. maybe a particular medication complemented by others that may
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act on other parts of the disease besides the viral replication itself. we'll see. this emergency use authorization was pretty expected. >> as of tomorrow at least 32 states easing restrictions to varying degrees. dr. fauci told us last night on our town hall it was a gamble. how long until we know the effect of that gamble in terms of cases? >> that's the thing, typically because of the way testing is done right now, people aren't getting tested until they develop symptoms or sometimes until they show up in the hospital. time period between when someone is exposed to the virus and they develop symptoms can vary, up to couple weeks. 14-day incubation period comes from that. could be a couple of weeks and in the hospital, week after
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that, sadly if they die, maybe a week after that. when you start to look at this tragic death count, when it starts to go up will be a snapshot in time from three to four weeks earlier. that's a concern. lot of states reopen, for next couple weeks say there's no change in overall hospitalization or death rates but we have to keep an eye on that. >> new report from the cdc about what fuelled the spread of the coronavirus, mentioning the lack of testing early on, also reminded me what bill gates was saying last night in the town hall, the white house talks about 200,000 tests available every day, he's saying that's a phony number because a lot of those tests require more than two days or so, three, four or a week later you get the results and by then that test is useless because the person has been exposed to a whole bunch of other people.
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>> that's the question. until we can get rapid tests up and running and make sure they're accurate because some have very high false negative rate, what do you do with people who just got tested then? are they told to isolate themselves until the test result comes back? it's challenge. that means every time someone gets a test, they're two or three days in the work force or their lives as we reopen the economy. tests have to be faster and more accurate. that doesn't get discussed enough. 15% false negative rate on a diagnostic test is significant. how do you have the confidence that i'm truly negative, not false negative? >> what else about the new cdc report stood out to you about what fueled the spread? >> i think the genomic analysis is fascinating.
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gives you idea of -- a picture now, a story of what exactly happened. when the virus arrived, where did it spread. not surprisingly spread in areas with clusters of people, nursing homes and conferences. but virus is largely stable but tiny mutations on it. thinking of a family, all human beings share a lot of genetic -- genetically we're similar but families are slightly different. what did we learn about in new york? primarily came from europe. west coast primarily came from china. first person confirmed was washington. but slater that patient infectig other people, circulating for six weeks in the community at
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that point. these analyses tell important story of what exactly the virus did in this country. >> cdc doctor who wrote the report said quote, what we do this summer will be critical. whether people resist the urge to go back to full-fledged socializing and impact it could have. and will be weeks in a locale whether they see the impact or not. what the impact is. >> we get the sense of what's happening by looking at narrative of this virus over last few months, what it's doing, how it's spreading. and it's out there. that's one of the things that jumps out from the cdc report. virus is the constant in the equation, it's still circulating. we may get benefit from warmer and more humid weather but vast majority of the people in the country are susceptible to the
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virus. unlike the flu without the vaccine you have a little bit of protection because exposed in years past or changed a little bit or people around you got the flu shot and gives you herd immunity. we don't have any of that protection here. may be a little bit of benefit from summer weather but not enough to counteract what's likely to happen with the virus. >> thanks very much. bring in thomas payeio, eschooling expert. writings have been important last weeks and months. posts on medium, "coronavirus: why you must act now," very influential, i learned a lot. been views a lot. how much testing is going to be needed to reopen to whatever degree and keep the virus at
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bay? it's ve . >> it's hard to say exactly but we have a sense of that. look at countries that are successful, korea and taiwan, number of tests they have is 100 for each of the positive cases. 100 to 1 or 100 to 3. you need two tests per person, you need for confidence. maybe only 100,000 people tested every day to the cases that we have. if you need the ratio to be up, at least 1 million people tested, at least 2 million tests. ten times what we're doing today. >> 2 million every day. >> that's right. with the number of cases we have. hopefully they'll go down, fewer
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people positive, fewer tests you need. >> you write also a lot about the speed of testing and how essential that is. talking about that with sanjay, bill gates was saying 200,000 is just a phony number because the results take too long, without quick result there's so much potential to infect many more people. >> that's right. most of the contagion happens first few days, three, four days, presymptomatic people, not even coughing, don't have fever, already transmitting it. also people with symptoms, mostly creating contagions within three to five days. if it takes you five days to identify the people, already created all the infections they're going to create. you need the tests to be very quick, isolate the people who are positive. unless you isolate the people before you know whether they're
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positive or not. not only that, but contact tracing. people don't have symptoms yet you have to identify and immediately test them and quarantine them or isolate them if their positive. speed is of the essence. research that showed if you take three days to identify cases and three days to identify their contacts, all of that work was really not doing anything or very little to reduce the transmission. really speed is of the essence. >> obviously what would happen in ideal world and in reality, in the real world with all s messiness. as things reopen, i can't wrap my head around how a big company, say 5,000 employees, 10,000 employees, if they don't have on-site instant, immediate testing with quick results, 15
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minutes or something, how do they in any confidence really fully open back up even with social distancing? if somebody starts coughing in the office and can't send that person to immediately get tested nearby and get a result, how does that even work? >> here we're going back to the hammer, condense, use intelligent measures, perfect, but if not, forced to have heavy economic measures. if we can't be intelligent we'll need to be very stringent with companies. companies have a lot of things. no-brainer is masks. science believes as of today it can reduce substantially the transmission rate. mandate everyone wearing masks can have huge impact.
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meetings should not be held with more than a few people, not held for hours, not sitting face-to-face. if you can have screens that screen people from other people, all measures contribute to the reduction of transmission rate. those are intelligent measures so you don't have to pay for the expensive measures. >> i really appreciate your writing. >> thank you. congratulations. >> thank you. still ahead, more on remdesivir. what is means to people with the disease. how close we are to vaccine. president trump and allies pushing unsubstantiated theory that virus originated from a lab in china. former secretary of state madeleine albright to join us. and concert hall. and cvs health is helping, with free home prescription delivery,
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qualify. this is the first emergency use authorization for a treatment for covid-19. this is -- took us this long to find something that works to be clear, not a blockbuster drug, not a knockout drug. friend and colleague sanjay was talking about that but does seem to lesson amount of time it takes people to recover. >> what part of the disease or virus is it treating? >> virus needs certain enzymes in order to replicate, copy itself and continue flooding your body. so this drug basically works on one of those enzymes, deactivates it so it can't work or doesn't work as well so the virus doesn't replicate as well. again it doesn't completely conk the virus out. people who took this drug still got sick, some sadly still died
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but that's the way it works. what they're hoping is now we've figured out this pathway actually works, this drug did something, can we come up with other drugs that might work even better. and this was designed for ebola, seems to have effect on covid, now to design something specifically for covid, maybe could do even better. >> go through all the testing for ebola? do we know the side effects this time around? >> when they did it for ebola, they learned it didn't work for ebola, and side effect profile was really quite good. they did find some concerns about elevated liver enzymes but that's often reversible. so the side effect profile is looking good, one of the reasons i think the fda felt comfortable doing this. of course you don't want to harm people and looks like this
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doesn't. but now we're about to give it to huge group of people, you have to keep an eye on that, giving to such a larger group, might be rare side effects that show up. to answer your question, this didn't go through usual rigors of fda approval. that takes months or years. in emergency like this don't have that much time, this is done based on study of just over 1,000 people. usually there's way more people in clinical trials. in this case we have time for just over 1,000. >> elizabeth, thanks so much. doctors cnn has spoken with are already planning to use remdesivir, including in kirkland, washington, one of the early outbreaks of the disease. >> every patient will receive remdesivir because the first trial, act one, showed benefit. shortened the course of illness and almost statistically
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significantly showed a decrease in mortality. a clear trend towards benefit in terms of mortality as well. almost significant reduction statistically. clinically a fairly dramatic decrease in mortality. >> joining now, dr. minor. as someone who participated in the trials, how significant is the fda's emergency use authorization? >> it's good to be with you, it's quite significant. authorization is for hospitalized patients with moderate to severe consequences of covid-19 infection. either having poor oxygen saturation or requiring supplemental oxygen. it's very significant in that population. and as you heard earlier on your program, it could not serve as an anchor drug with others added
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in adaptive clinical trial fashion it look at how the efficacy of the treatment could be improved even more in inpatient setting. it's not a silver bullet but certainly a step forward. >> now that green light lit, in terms of who can be treated, talk about it in hospital setting, somebody at home believes they're sick, worried about getting sick, can't just call up doctor and doctor will prescribe for them? >> that's right, it's not. there's a lot of focus on stanford and other centers on outpatient for covid-19. we have approved clinical trial for interferon lambda, a drug that modulates the immune system and may improve the ability to fight off effects of the virus. we need to find more effective -- an effective or more effective outpatient
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treatments because right now we don't have anything. and we want to keep people out of the hospital, enable them to combat the virus at home and recover without requiring hospitalization. >> how is remdesivir given? it's a shot i assume? we're seeing pictures of shots. how quickly does it take effect and what effects have you seen? >> it's an intervenous medication. the effects, it's not immediate. not as if you give one dose of the medicine and everything turns around. we ran a trial here showing five-day course was at effective as ten-day course according to many treatment milestones. it acts by blocking replication of the virus, interferes with the virus' ability to reproduce itself. way this virus causes
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consequences is taking over the machinery of cells and interfering with a lot of important body functions as well as spread of the virus to other organs as well. >> dr. fauci warned it's not a knockout, i assume you agree it does have limitations. >> yes, yes, it does have limitations. the trial showed that there was a reduction in time to recovery, about 31% reduction in time to recovery. also there was an indication that perhaps there's an improvement, lowering of mortality rate but that did not reach statistical significance. this is not a drug you give one or two doses and disease goes away. it is reminiscent of the early days of hiv/aids, azt was better than anything we had before, nothing before that was
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effective. but now moved into far more effective therapies for hiv. if we hadn't had the first step with azt, wouldn't have gotten to subsequent steps. >> but people that took azt, didn't people end up hurt by it? my history is murky but people who took it early on had difficulty getting benefits from the drug cocktail that azt was important part of later on. >> there were a lot of modifications and treatment profiles. hiv was coming on to the scene early in my medical career, and i think it's remarkable over the course of the past three decades we've transformed a disease that had been 100% fatal to now a disease that's successfully managed and we have preventive therapies for. i don't think it's going to take 30 years with sars/covid 2, we
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know a lot more than hiv epidemic. just as there wasn't initial treatment in hiv that covered everything we needed to cover. clearly going to see the same with remdesivir and covid-19. >> for the generation coming of age now, can be avoided altogether and can be treated and is a chronic condition. let's hope one day this virus has that same sort of -- there's a treatment for it as well. dr. minor, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, congratulations on the birth of your son. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. up next, white house pressing its claim that china is behind the spread of the coronavirus even as the intelligence community believes it's not man-made, more from jim acosta. commercial halftime show,ve featuring smash mouth. ♪ hey now, you're an all star ♪ get your game on, go play thank you! goodnight!
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president trump continues to hint he'll retaliate against china for what he thinks is its role spreading coronavirus to the united states. raising tariffs certainly an option of what he call a quote bad situation end quote all over the world. this is after his intelligence community, concurs with wide scientific consensus the covid-19 virus was not man-made or synthetically. administration will stop dr. anthony fauci from testifying on capital hill. what is happening? >> reporter: pretty significant news late on a friday, anderson.
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white house confirmed this evening they're going to block dr. anthony fauci from testifying, all the lawmakers coming back next week to hold hearings on all sorts of things, some putting their health at risk coming back to d.c. in middle of a pandemic, and dr. fauci was going to be asked about a whole host of issues, including testing, but white house are saying that would be counterproductive for dr. fauci to do this, he sat through a bunch of the president's coronavirus task force briefings that sometimes last more than two hours, his time spent in that fashion last several weeks but white house is saying they can't send him up to capital hill to answer questions from lawmakers on something as important as a pandemic, there
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is a kont dicticontradiction th. >> he has to do what the white house says? >> reporter: at this point yes, not talking yet about subpoenaing dr. fauci, they can block him from testifying. haven't heard the last word but sounds like white house will be successful blocking dr. fauci from going up there. >> you have new reporting about president trump and china? >> reporter: when the president was asked whether he had confidence that this virus started in lab in wuhan, china, president said yes he had confidence in that. appears to contradict intelligence looking at couple of options, started in lab or began from transmission from animal to human. talked to senior official about this, said there is no
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contradiction, they're in line with one another, according to the official it is the majority belief of the intelligence community at this point according to this senior administration official it somehow originated in a lab possibly through mishap or mistake in handling the virus in the lab. that is according to the senior administration official who cautioned there is still very much the possibility this simply started outside of a lab in contact between animal and human, still investigating that at this point. but official tried to say that's why the president was saying that yesterday. official was complaining as do others at white house that chinese are not letting u.s. in to look at that lab. >> madeleine albright, secretary of state under president clinton. thanks for being with you.
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president content to blame china saying the virus started at wuhan lab. heard what jim was talking about. china has not been completely transparent and up front even on death toll. what is your point of view on this? >> before we begin, start with something pleasant, congratulations on your baby. if you need any advice, please give me a call. >> i will, thank you. >> i think this is all head spinning, frankly. you get the sense there's a desire on the part of the administration to have the intelligence community, the scientific community completely bent to what they're trying to prove. yet they're trying to prove something different every other day. having been in government, i can tell you this is something that makes decision making incredibly complicated and confusing in every way to our own people and rest of the world and our
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adversaries. this is a very serious situation, but it can't be handled in the way it's coming together now. it's impossible for even somebody that thinks she understands it to follow it properly. >> when an administration, any administration, has a -- i don't know if agenda is right word or just a belief that china has done something or any country has done something and tasks the intelligence community, sends message to them they want information on that, does the pressure of what the administration wants filter into the intelligence community? we certainly a lot of questions were raised about the intelligence in the war in iraq. >> truth is, it shouldn't. what is interesting is it is the job of the intelligence community person to come into the situation room when there's a discussion about it and to talk about what is happening
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without getting involved in policy advice. that is hard, i can understand that. but the whole point is to try to get independent information from the intelligence community. same thing is true when the intelligence people go in and brief the president every morning -- or they used to. i think it is very dangerous when the intelligence community is not able to do its job of providing that independent intelligence. thing i think is fair to say, not all issues are always black and white. often the intelligence community provides different scenarios, which i think is important for a decision maker. but from everything i read, this is much more than that. really having been from the very beginning dismissing the intelligence community, and this administration, you can't make policy without having a very serious approach to the intelligence and the science. >> cnn is reporting the
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administration is formulating a long-term plan to punish china on multiple fronts for coronavirus pandemic through sanctions or trade policies. i'm wondering the concerns about that, given when you look just down the road, if china comes up with a vaccine, or we need certain medicines, china manufactures a lot of pharmaceutical drugs that americans consume and are prescribed by their doctors, is this administration aware or concerned enough about how interconnected we actually are with this country even though we are at odds with this country on a number of fronts? >> i think you put it very clearly in terms of the important aspect if they actually have a vaccine, it would be crazy for us to say we don't want it. we are interconnected. and i can't tell you how many meetings over the years i've been to about what our
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relationship with china is. it is a rising power, how do we deal with it. it's the art of state craft to be able to cooperate and compete with a country. that is where we are with china. if we punish them in the way you're talking about, we punish ourselves. it's very short-sighted. i do think the chinese have to compla explain what happened, no question about that, there are many aspects to this but we have to think about where we are presently, where we're going in the future, and recognize them as a major power that has a lot of control over things and basically as the united states steps back from policy, the chinese are going to fill the vacuum. i know people don't want to hear this, it's a complicated relationship. but exactly the way you put the point. supposing they have a vaccine, we're going to punish them and not have it? >> just in terms of rising
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power, u.s. stepping back on the stage, china has been advancing throughout africa, throughout much of the world, seen the rise of china, and that only seems to be continuing. >> well, absolutely. they have been. and they have been waiting to do that, and xi is very big on this. must be getting fat because the belt is larger and larger. partially it's their agenda, partially because we stepped back. vacuum that's been created leaves them space for it. what i'm troubled with right now, xi and trump are pushing each other's nationalism buttons, and that's dangerous. both trying to prove they're
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more powerful, they can punish, we have total control over each other's policies. we don't. it requires some understanding of the various aspects to it and changing our minds every five minutes i think is very confusing to our own people, to our adversaries and to our friends, and we need to have friends in dealing with china as a rising power. >> madam secretary, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. just ahead, we continue to remember the victims of the pandemic, one family with two deaths, mother and father both taken by coronavirus and the family's struggle to give them a final resting place. we're finally back out in our yard, but so are they. scotts turf builder triple action.
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because they never quit. there's a story out of california, situation we want to tell you about. richard hartwig, vietnam veteran, his family said he always wanted full military burial. died of coronavirus, and then his wife also died from coronavirus. as with most stories in the
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pandemic, nothing is simple, naomi is with me now. i'm so sorry for the loss you and your family are going through. tell me about your parents. what were they like? >> hi. so my parents were two people that were on complete opposites of the spectrum, my dad was a serious guy on the outside but on the inside behind closed doors he was the typical dad jokester. he had his crude sense of humor, sometimes borderline inappropriate, and you know, he dealt with a lot of his emotions with humor and would laugh at things most people probably wouldn't laugh at. that's who he was. but he was also introverted. favorite place to be was home on the couch watching anything from
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"mash" to football to those ghost catcher shows. >> uh-huh. and he met your mom, they were working on assembly line together i read at memorex factory? >> yes. tandy for memorex, mom worked on the assembly line and dad was technician, would fix the machinery. >> what was she like? >> the complete opposite of that, extremely extroverted, would be the life of any party. loved music, loved to dance. she was from el salvador, loved to dance salsa, merengue.
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dancing her passion. loved to be with me, at big events. very loving. loved her kids more than anything and never failed to show us. she was very affectionate and loving. and she was just a caring person. >> i love it, almost every picture hugging somebody or smiling or with your dad or your siblings, you. i know they wanted to be buried together if that was possible. they died a week apart, in different hospitals, different counties. >> yes. >> i know your dad wanted a military burial, he was vietnam vet and with honor guard. you weren't able to have that because of coronavirus, right? >> no. we couldn't. so for the burial it was very strict, only allowed us to have
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ten people. and we had to stand up on this hilltop that was overlooking the whole cemetery. and it was really, really far. so we couldn't see anything, really. >> i think we just showed a picture of somebody pointing and i can't even see, i'm guessing that's a shot from the burial but i can't see what's going on. >> right, yeah. >> you were that far away? >> we were that far away, yeah. couldn't see anything. finally got so frustrated, some of us drove down to see what was going on, couldn't see anything. by the time we drove down, casket had already been lowered and there was nobody there. we just kind of took it upon ourselves to walk up. i took a picture of their grave site. >> that's the picture we just saw once you walked up after it
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was done. wow. >> right. it was just covered with a piece of wood. there was nobody around, and we kind of just hung out there for a couple minutes, you know, then we were asked to leave because we weren't supposed to be down there. so that's basically how -- >> was your mom able to be in the casket with your dad? i know she was cremated, was she able to be, her ashes, in the casket? >> no. once -- because the urn and casket had to be checked in separately, they weren't able to put the urn inside the casket beforehand, once we got there, they have a policy we weren't allowed to reopen the casket and place the urn inside. so -- >> that's very unusual, often you can put mementos or
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something in the casket of your loved one before they're buried. i know other members of your family are also struggling with coronavirus, is that right? >> yes, so my aunt, my mom's younger sister, who is still in the hospital but thank god they took her finally off the ventilator, little over a week ago. slowly getting better. but she went into the hospital around the same time my mom did. and she was diagnosed with coronavirus and was on the ventilator almost three weeks as well. >> oh, my gosh. >> but thank god she's finally starting to get a little better. we were worried. >> well, naomi, i'm so sorry for your loss and also just for, you know, the final moments weren't what you and what they certainly wanted. i hope -- i hope -- i don't
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know. that's terrible. and i wish it was a different situation, i'm sorry what you've been through. >> thank you. >> but i appreciate you talking about them, love hearing about your parents. sound like amazing couple who have been through a lot. >> they were great people, i'm sad that they left us so soon. >> what a life they had together. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, appreciate it. lot more ahead this friday night. talk to sanjay again, update on the testing and how activist sean penn is trying to help ease that road in testing. take you to laboratory to show you how far unprotected cough also travels. now there's new dawn powerwash dish spray. the faster, easier way to clean as you go. it cleans grease five times faster. on easy messes, just spray, wipe, and rinse. on tough messes, the spray-activated suds cut through grease on contact, without water.
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