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this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. right now across the united states the number of people infected with the coronavirus is more than 1.1 million people. and in just nine weeks we've watched the u.s. death toll rocket from zero to more than 66,000 americans. despite that disturbingly high and rising death toll, more than half the country is now moving toward restarting businesses and services. the governors of 32 states now
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easing pandemic restrictions at least to some degree. malls, museums, restaurants are now open for example in texas, with distancing rules in place. and new jersey opened state parks and golf courses this weekend. this very surreal scene, take a look at this, just a few minutes ago, sunset on the beach in hollywood, florida on a beautiful springtime saturday night. deserted. public beaches in broward county are not open this weekend. lifeguards are still working, but instead of keeping an eye on swimmers, they're patrolling the beaches to keep people away. and in other places around the c country where stay-at-home orders are still in effect, signs of fatigue. this was the national mall here in washington, d.c. this afternoon. during a flyover by the blue
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angels and the thunderbirds to honor health care workers and first responders. the mall was crowded despite officials asking people not to cluster. and new york's central park busy despite the stay-at-home order. nypd officers were out reminding people to keep a safe distance from each other. new york's mayor, bill de blasio told cnn's anna cabrera that for the most part, people in new york are following the rules. >> but families have been doing that the right way. and people are overwhelmingly abiding by that social distancing. more and more people putting on the face coverings. we're giving them out for free today all over the city. so people have been amazing and following rules in a place where it's tough. >> it certainly is. a true line in the sand tonight on the beaches of southern california. third city in orange county is going to war in the courts
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against the governor gavin newsom after he ordered all of the county's beaches, orange county beaches to close. paul vercammen has been at huntington beach throughout the day. show us what it's like this evening, right where you are right now. >> reporter: wolf, a surreal, astonishing scene, surf city usa, completely empty. the lifeguards, the police, telling people that they need to get off the beach under the governor's order. you alluded to that pitched legal battle. they slugged it out in court. and in the end, the judge denied the temporary restraining order request and allowed the governor's order to stand. and here in orange county, they are fuming. they feel like this county, the only one in california under the governor's ban was singled out. let's listen to the city attorney. >> huntington beach has done an absolutely remarkable job and
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not withstanding the governor issues this order. we fill targeted, we feel like it was punitive. he would have closed all the beaches up and down the state, but he didn't. he's picking on orange county and huntington beach. the data about spread and cases absolutely do not support the beach closure. >> reporter: and what that lawyer was alluding to is there's 3 million people in orange county. they've had 50 deaths here on the flip side, the deputy's attorney general arguing this point, this is all about a pandemic, the need for social distancing and the middle of the covid-19 crisis. so, wolf, this is a battle that's not over. they could go back to court, or as the judge sort of ordered them, both sides could get together and work this out. reporting from huntington beach, paul ver cannon, back to you. meantime, the florida
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governor, ron desantis is working to open some of their state's beach. desantis is leaving beaches in three counties, miami dade, brbro broward and palm beach closed for now. that includes the iconic miami beach. like many urban areas, southeast florida is a patchwork of county and it city governments. the miami beach mayor is gojoing us. thank you for taking a few moments to join us. statistics show even though southeast florida only accounts for 30% of the state's population, the area has more than 50% of the confirmed cases and covid-19 case. so i assume you agreed with the governor on this at least for now. keep miami beach in fact closed. >> absolutely.
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my county is 10% maybe of the state. we have a third of all the deaths, 373 people have succumbed to the disease. so it's very prevalent here, the hot spot, and we know what will happen if we open up our beaches. tens of thousands of people will come and will probably look like spring break did at the beginning of march, which is obviously terrible. so we're not going to rush into an exit of this pandemic. >> as you know, some local leaders are calling to open miami beach, whether south beach, moving up towards the fontainebleau hotel to broward county, the county commission voted it down. is there a fear that people won't be able to do the social distancing safely if in fact the beaches reopen? >> yeah, and what we've tried to do recently was open up our parks for passive movement to give people more places to socially distance. the problem is, we're a lot like other places that are
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hospitality cities. we get 16 million visitors, four or five million from all over the world. it's very hard for us. we're not built for social distancing. at the end of the day, if we open up, it's not like we can control it. it's not like disney world or universal where you can control who's coming in. and the beaches are open, you can't make them just for your residents in florida. it's for anyone. we're really concerned about that, and we don't want to create a situation we cannot manage. that's the biggest concern. >> you did reopen, mayor, some parks. you've had to issue hundreds of warnings to people who aren't wearing face masks or keeping distance. and people who have defied the official park hours. what's your message to those folks? >> listen, you know, we've saved, i think, probably thousands of lives, you know, just in our state and probably in our county through these actions. these social distancing rules really have changed the
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trajectory of everything going on. we have to stay with them. we opened up the parks not to loosen but to give people more opportunities to be able to get through this hunkering down, but we're not ready yet. first thing we'll probably do is look at retail and restaurants and do that partially, but only if we can manage the virus. and that's the trick. we've got to be able to do the contact traci tracing and testi. >> what benchmarks, mayor, are you going to be looking at to reopen those beautiful beaches that miami beach has? >> there's really two things that are going to happen. first of all, the first benchmark is that the trajectory going downward is sufficient so that there's manageable amount of disease in the community that we can control it. if there's too much it's too hard to control, because it's
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silent spreader. more importantly is to have that army of contract tracers that people are talking about so you can cabin this virus if it comes up, especially when you have as many restaurants and hotels as we have. we've got to be able to control when it comes up, have people making phone calls, track down your it is, testing in the areas testing in the entire community to see if it's growing. the problem with this was, wolf, we the first to shelter in the state and one of the first in the cun trountry to require peoo have masks. wou we were late and everybody was late, because you don't know what you're fighting. >> so many people have pointed out, so many new yorkers have pointed out, snowbirds, they go down to miami beach, and that was one of the problems, they were bringing coronavirus with them and that's one of the
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reasons you guys are suffering right now. mayor, thanks for everything you're doing, i can't wait myself personally to get back to miami beach, hopefully sooner rather than later. i've been going there since i was a little boy. thanks very much for joining us. ? thank you. a battle is brewing over dr. anthony fauci. we have live pictures coming out of the white house right now. we'll have a live report on the latest developments. stay with us not even our competitor's best battery can match the power of energizer. because energizer ultimate lithium is the longest lasting aa battery in the world. [confetti cannon popping] energizer. backed by science. matched by no one. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease
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before a senate committee on may 12th. let's go to jeremy diamond. why allow dr. fauci to testify before a senate committee in a couple weeks but not allow him to testify before a house committee next week? >> reporter: well, wolf, the white house has offered shifting explanations for why they're not allowing dr. fauci to testify before the house sub committee. the white house said it would be counter productive to have dr. fauci testify on cap titol hill while fighting this pandemic. but kayleigh mcenany said they helicopter provided enough information on what they want him to testify about. she also called the request a publicity stunt. >> all right, that's really important. we'll see what happens on that front as well. thank you so much for that
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report. jeremy diamond at the white house. joining us our cnn medical analyst, and professor of medicine at george washington school of medicine. doctor yasmin, how important is it for people to hear from dr. fauci during this crisis? >> he's really become one of the central trust-worthy figures in this global health crisis of our generation, wolf, someone who speaks with experience. and really hearing him and his voice being stifled feels like science as a whole being stifled and the pushing of political agendas ahead of evidence, and we really need somebody like him at the pulpit and you will see the public appetite and love for him, because even when he wasn't behind the podium at white house press conferences, #where'sfauci
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was trending. dr. fauci's become a really crucial, pivotal and trustworthy voice whom people are looking to. >> i call him a national treasure. dr. buy umy, we hear testing is a key. dr. fauci says there isn't enough testing to support many of these states trying to reopen right now. how far do you believe we are from widespread testing, enough testing around the country? >> well, i think we're talking about two types of testing, wolf. there's the testing for the actual virus and the quality of the test has improved significantly. there still is, you know, some people, my brother just tested negative, but he's got the typical symptoms. so that's one. and we're woefully short there. the other is going to make a difference in allowing us to
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return to our daily lives, reopen our cities is the appointme anti-body test. we don't really have a reliable one. there are some people getting tested and say oh, i'm antibody positive. so we are far behind. >> those antibody tests are pretty unreliable right now. false negatives, false positives. . but they got to work on getting a better one. dr. yasmin, experts say that the virus potentially, these were some of the experts suggesting that the virus to spread to up to 60% to 70% of the population infected. do people need to prepare for this to be with us not for a few weeks or months but maybe for a couple years? >> unfortunately, yes. and hoping for the best, that a vaccine becomes available and allows us to resume normality.
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my fear is that we get shutdown fatigue and that's why people are flooding to beaches and malls and the national mall in d.c. while we're still in the first waive of this pandemic, not to mention that the second and third, even later waves can be far deadlier than the first. we need to have the mentality that this is a marathon rather than a sprint. hopefully a vaccine becomes available in the next year. but because we don't understand much about immunity, how long you might be protected for after infection if at all, we don't know that, that's why we have to prepare for a worse case scenario. >> dr. fauci also says he's certain all of us will see what they call a second wave of the coronavirus this fall. is the virus actually going away? will the situation just be worse until there is a real vaccine?
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congress has disbursed trillions of dollars in an unprecedented relief package during the coronavirus pandemic, but cities across the country have still had to trim their workforces with furloughs and layoffs. it's very, very serious. as congress weighs yet another stimulus package aimed at state and local governments, one white house economic adviser said the package may not be necessary. leyla santiago is joining us from fredericksburg, virginia
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right now. what are you seeing on the ground? >> reporter: listen. let's start here in fredericksburg, virginia where the mayor has announced 40 furloughs beginning today and salary reductions are also in the works. she calls these drastic but necessary measures. and you could tell for leaders, local leaders across the country, these are hard, tough decisions, tough announcements to make, and they are forcing families to make tough decisions. like any mother, jennifer simmons just wants to make sure her little boy and family are safe and healthy. the security she once felt is now slipping away. she was furloughed as an employee at the mayor's office in michigan. she'll get her last paycheck this week. >> we live paycheck to paycheck, which i think a lot of americans do. i am just not going to pay any bills, i need to make sure we have money for food. >> reporter: she is one of the
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234 workers furloughed here. more than 30% of the workforce, mostly in public works. cities are dealing with more than a health crisis, loss in revenue at the hands of covid-19 has led many to a financial crisis. >> right now they've been hit with a one-two punch. lost revenues and increased taxes. and it's because they got to be able to respond to this pandemic. >> reporter: in portland, oregon, the city furloughed about 30% of non-union employees, that's about 1700 staffers. in dayton, ohio, 470 employees, and that's about a quarter of the city's workforce. and in el paso, 450 employees furloughed or laid off. el paso mayor dean margo isn't shying away from the impact this will have on services for his citizens. do you worry about the next step? is the next step furloughs of first responders?
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>> no. we're not going to deal with that at all. we're not going to open swimming pools and things of that nature. we've stopped all construction. we're going to continue design work, but that's it. we're cutting everywhere we can. >> reporter: and the pain is widespread. in cities like san antonio, officials have suspended street maintenance. in knox county, tennessee, libraries closed. only digital access. congress is providing some aid to cities through the care act. but the mayor says he needs more flexibility. >> we can live with what we got, we just need to be able to spend it where we need to spend it. >> reporter: a coalition of local governments is pushing congress for another $250 billion to help municipalities this year. >> we will have to cut to the bone in order to provide the basic services. we'll have to make hard choices on health and public service
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needs. >> reporter: further pushing families, like simmons, to the brink, with one more paycheck on the way and a few hundred bucks in savings. >> a $1200 stimulus payment is great, it helps, but it's not going to keep us afloat. it's not going to save our families from ruin. >> reporter: where do you see your family in a month? >> i don't know. i think everybody's kind of going day by day right now. >> reporter: day by day, wolf. a lot of uncertainty, and, you know, i spoke to the american federation of state, county and municipal employees, and they tell me jennifer's story is actually quite common. even shared a story of another employee now having to choose between putting food on the table for her family or paying for a medical operation that's needed. so very hard decisions. not only for local governments, but the families, every day people that they impact. >> you know, some states over the years have actually made it
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harder to get jobless benefits or trimmed those benefits. what are you hearing from people on the ground? >> reporter: well, let's take jennifer simmons for an example. you got to know her a little in that story. when i asked her what went through your mind when you saw that you were one of the employees in live own yeah, michigan furloughed. she said one of the first things shy thought about was having to file for unemployment and not wanting to go through that process that so many have shared nightmares about it taking so long, having so many technical difficulties. certainly, that is something on the minds of folks that don't want to deal with that. luckily for her, she knows that she will be doing that, whatever it takes, but she also knows she can count on friends and family for help. but wolf, not everything hbody that. >> that's true. thank you very much. what can be done to prevent this economic crisis from getting even worse?
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he understands what's going on, he's the former acting labor secretary under president obama. he served during the depth of the financial crisis. he's joining us now once again. give us an accept sense of the what we're going through. have we ever seen 30 million plus americans lose their jobs, go on unemployment in only six weeks? >> no, wolf, we've never seen that before. we've not seen these kinds of numbers since the great depression. and even those unemployment claims numbers, i don't think, really capture what's happening with the labor market. i think the numbers are, in reality, much, much higher. and, but we've never seen it with this kind of speed, and we've certainly never seen it where the economy is essentially voluntarily shutting down. governors and mayors are ordering shutdowns. people are staying at home. businesses are shutting down, because they have to or because they choose to. and so we've never seen anything like this.
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it's a big question, and we have to be humble about this. we don't really know how we're going to get back and how quickly we're going to get back to where we were before the pandemic struck. ? y . >> you know, according to the economic policy institute, mr. secretary, many more than the 30 million americans are actually out of work. break it down for our viewers. we know 30.3 million americans lost their jobs, have filed for unemployment in the last six weeks, but according to this report, there's a lot more americans who actually are out of work. >> i think the epi got it exactly right. there were 7 million americans whom we know were unemployed by the middle of march. that was the unemployment report we got a few weeks ago. the unemployment claims numbers got us over 30 million, and that doesn't include the past week, and there are probably two or three million more there. so that's probably in the vicinity of 40 million workers whom we know to be unemployed.
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but what epi was saying was, there's a very large number of workers, between 9,000,014 million workers who have tried to file unemployment claims and couldn't. some are unemployed and didn't bother to file because they knew websites were crashing, phone lines were blocked, so they sort of threw their hands up in the air. so the numbers are significantly higher, we think. we'll get a somewhat better measure when we get the unemployment numbers at the end of the week. but there's going to be a lot of fudge factor. i think we can simply say the labor market is terrible. we knew it would be because large sectors of the economy are shut down. a lot of workers are depending on the government to provide them with the support they need to get through this crisis. >> those aren't just numbers, those are real people. most of them have to put bread on the table, have to work in order to survive, and it's so
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heartbreaking to hear those kinds of huge numbers. so, mr. secretary, how do we prevent, right now, an even bigger catastrophe. is more relief for cities and states a key piece of that? >> absolutely. it's critical, wolf, and we learned this lesson from the great recession where we did not provide enough funding to the public sector to state and local governments, and they ended up cutting employment by up to 500,000 workers. so that would extend the economic recession, if we did not provide support, and in addition, the front line work of this crisis is being done by state and local governments, in city hospitals, by county emts, by cops and firefighters, by teachers and other providers. those are the folks who are doing the work that are keeping us going right now. they need support. they're working really hard. they're working overtime. we need to pay for that. but that'soma piece of what we need to do, wolf.
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we need to invest more in the american people, make sure that unemployment benefits are extended as long as they need to be. we need to help americans with health insurance. if you lose your job in america the odds are you lose your health insurance. we need to fund what peace call what's called the cobra program. we need to pay for covid treatment for everyone who goes into some kind of health facility. health insurance is one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in the united states. we should open up the obamacare exchanges. extend cobra to every family that's lost health insurance because of job loss and also to pay for those covid treatments. >> yeah, that's so, so important. you're absolutely right, mr. secretary. regarding the supposed next phase of the stimulus package for localities, for states.
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here's what the top white house vis adviser said today. >> the president has said he categorically rejects the idea of a bail out for states that have been irresponsible for a long time. but to the extent that the cost of covid, on states, blue and rid, all of them, are high enough that maybe they need financial support, he's willing to negotiate about that should there be a phase four deal. i think now because there's been good news, that the opening up is happening faster than we expected, appears to be doing so quickly, there is a chance we won't need a phase four. >> what do you think about that? mayor de blasio called that remark outrageous. what's your reaction? >> we definitely need a phase four bill. i think chairman haset is wrong. we're already in a big hole, a
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big financial hole. the only entity in our society that can borrow money, essentially free and without limitation is the united states government. they can also tax to raise that money. state and local governments absolutely have to balance their budgets, so they are in a gigantic hole already. even if we were to open up the entire country tomorrow, they've lost a lot of sales tax revenue, income tax revenue, they need help. they've had added expenses from covid. so i think the irresponsible talk of bailout and the more irresponsible talk by mcconnell that states should declare bankruptcy, which would crash the economy in a way that would make the great depression look like a tay parea party, we need fund health insurance, make sure the workers who are ut o there on the front lines today get the
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we'll get back to our special coverage of the pandemic in just a minute. but a u.s. official tells cnn that an early analysis of the photos the video put out late yesterday of kim jong un do in fact appear to be legitimate. the news comes after weeks speculation about kim jong un's health. we're joined live from tokyo right now. what do you make, what's the latest you're seeing, what's the latest you're hearing about these new images? >> reporter: they do offer some clues as to the situation inside north korea but don't offer much in information about what happened to kim jong un that caused him too vanish from public view for three weeks. it was reported his health was in danger after a surgical procedure. the video doesn't answer that
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question, but north korea isn't saying anything. but in the video, you can see things like people in the crowd wearing face masks. also members of his security detail wearing face masks. that is a very interesting detail, given north korea has denied having a single coronavirus case inside the country, even though many are you also see kim sitting down, smoking heavily, like he has before. a history of heart disease is considered health risks and something u.s. national security looks at in terms of if he can stay in power or if he's at risk of a health condition that could be problematic. >> i want to turn back to the coronavirus pandemic. you're reporting live from tokyo right now. things, i take it, are becoming increasingly desperate in japan right now. tell us what your seeing.
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>> reporter: it is heartbreaking. because there's a whole new generation of people that have never been homeless, living paycheck to paycheck suddenly finding themselves on the streets. the lines have never been longer takahashi doesn't want it give his last name for fear of shaming his family. this is your first time receiving food like this. did you think you'd be hear? >> translator: i didn't think something like this could happen to me. >> reporter: he says. it's full of first timers, members of a growing group of coronavirus refugees. the pandemic putting people out of business and out of work. "i was forced out of the place i was staying" he says. sleeping in a 24-hour internet cafe.
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these relics are the only housing they can afford. i saw people eating from vending machines and in cubicals together like a peatry dish. they ordered internet. and you won't see people smiling here. he's down to his last 1,000 yen. around $9. he can't find a job because nobody's hiring right now. "it gets really cold after dark," he says. what do you think about sleeping at the bus station sn "i try to
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suck it up but to be honest i'm disappointed i ended up like this. >> reporter: this is where a lot of the the city's homeless live. they're sleeping directly under headquarters of the metropolitan government. several stories above, they're putting in overtime. "we're really concerns" he says. homeless advocates say it won't be nearly enough. you have a whole new group of people stlat never been on the streets before. so many people are living off what little money they have, he says. in the next few weeks, they'll end up on the streets. the number of refugees is growing by the day, just like the number of people desperate
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for their next meal. thank you very much >> and to our viewers, thank you for watching. i'll be back tomorrow night with another special edition at 6:00 p.m. eastern. but before we go, on april 1st, 3, 844 people in the united states have lost their battle with the virus. by the end of the month, that was just over 66,000. that's a tag -- staggering one american dead every 34 seconds. we want to close tonight with 34 seconds of silence, remembering the victims. goodnight and stay safe. 49...50!
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sunny weather proves just too tempting for some. signs of a lockdown fatigue in some areas of the u.s. still under threat of the coronavirus. that's as most u.s. states are easing restrictions. but the new normal isn't business as usual. and from quiet to pop culture icon. a new series that documents basketball legend michael jordan's final season. hello and welcome to cnn newsroom, i'm anna coren. we begin in the u.s. where many states are coshingly coming back to

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