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hello to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john king. thank you for sharing your sunday. reopening from the coronavirus showdown is the global debate. here in the united states, it is an uneven and sometimes confusing 50-state experiment. >> i understand people's frustration with the economy not being open. i feel it. i get it. i disagree with people who say open the economy even though you know there's a public health risk. i disagree with that. i'm not going to put dollar signs over human lives. i'm not going to do that. not for my family and not for yours. >> new york is the state hardest hit in the governor's shut down. the services available in states

vary state by state. protests are springing up in states still closed tight. huntington beach and at the michigan state capitol in lancing. president trump is pushing states to reopen, suggesting michigan's governor negotiate a compromise. she said no. >> i know that some people are angry and i know many are feeling restless, we're not in a political crisis where we should negotiate and find common ground. we're in a public health crisis. >> this disease doesn't know if you're a protestors, democrat or republican. protect yourself, protect your family, protect your kids, your parents, your grandparents, your friends, your neighbors, people that you're protesting with. that's all i would say to them. and thank them for their expression of free speech. >> 50 states, 50 plans is an

experiment that will play out for months. let's take a look. if you look at the states on the map highlighted in green, they have daily new case track going down for the past 14 days. that's one of the requirements you should have before you reopen. they include florida. the reopening there under way, heading down but you see some bumps as you go through the five-day moving average. from here, florida is coming down. but you see this in a number of states. spikes up and down that we watch in the days ahead. these states here highlighted in yellow, these states are about the same, little dips, rises, dips. these states in the status quo as they fight the coronavirus. among them, the state that is being very aggressive in reopening, the state of texas. it's hard to say that this is texas going down. it's flat. if you look at the average, that's the red line there, you see the spike in the cases here. that's why some people in texas are worried the governor went a bit too soon.

these states here, pink, still going up. the rate of case, from day to day, still heading up. new cases for the past 14 days. some of them are beginning to reopen slowly. others are saying we're going to wait until the middle of may. colorado one of the examples here. one of the many states who has the problems in the meat packing plants. you see the spike. if you're the governor of colorado, you probably want to see more data. here's the issue as american goes through this experiment, you look at this, where's your neighboring state, what is your state doing? 18 states have the case rate going up. 15 about the same. 17 going down. if you live on the border of a state, your state might be doing great, the next state not so well. this is the big challenge. florida, the governor was at the white house this past week, it's going down. the governor there says it's time to give it a try, we're reopening. >> at the end of the day, if you're doing things that are safe and the risk is small, we

have you have a right to your craft. we have to be safe about it. if this is your business, it's essential to you. if you have a job in one of these industries that some government official says is nonessential, i'm pretty sure you think it's essential too. >> the texas trajectory is not down and dallas reported a single day high in new cases friday. you can see here from the morning news, officials saying, residents need to continue to exercise restraint. the dallas mayor joins us now. when you look at that case count, have you thought, governor, i wish you gave us another week or two or are you comfortable with this reopening? >> well, i don't think it's a matter of being comfortable. i think what i have to do is do my job as the mayor of dallas, which is to keep our people safe. and the governor's made a decision and, you know, we're

fond of our football analogies down here, i don't believe in monday morning quarterbacking. the decision has been made. the economy reopened partially on friday and now my job is to make sure it's done in a way that's safe, so my focus has been on making sure that people of dallas know we're going to do everything we can to make sure this partial reopening doesn't put their health at risk. >> what are you seeing? i say it in the context of a poll out, these are national numbers. 77% of americans saying they're ready to go back to work when there's reopening. 46% say they're ready to go to church. 44% say they would go to a restaurant. only 24% to a movie. only 20% to a sporting event. what are you seeing in dallas as you go around, and comfortable is the wrong word, are people anxious to get back out there or hesitant? >> there's a difference what you hear and see. what we see, people have not been rushing back into these

restaurants and they have not been rushing back into the areas of the economy that the governor reopened on friday. we're seeing people putting their toe back in and that's for a few reasons, one, i don't think every business has figured out how to make the 25% occupancy limit that's been applied to these businesses reopen work for them. they don't know how they're going to execute that. number two, some of the businesses have figured out how to do it but decided that doesn't make sense economically. the math doesn't work for them to do it profitably. and third is probably the most salient one which is people aren't pouring back into these restaurants and into movie theaters and malls and things because they don't feel like it's safe to do so. >> you mentioned, they don't feel it's safe to do so. listen to the president of the united states who wants the economy reopened, but listen here and i'm going to ask you on the other side. do you think this is at all realistic? >> this is the new normal, being what it was three months ago. i think we want to go back to

where it was. when i look at a baseball game i want to see people right next to each other. i don't to see four seats in between every person. we want it to be the way it was because the way it was was the right way. we can't have somebody with a half of a restaurant. now they've got half. that's not going to pay the rent. >> do you see yourself shoulder to shoulder with somebody at a ranger's game this summer? or is what the president says just unrealistic in the near-term future as far as you can see. >> i don't think anyone has a crystal ball. it's impossible to say what we think is going to happen in the next few months. but i think this, i think it's unrealistic to believe that we're going to be able to be shoulder to shoulder here anymore soon. i think the virus itself is going to dictate that. as much as we want to control things, to try to pick a date on

the calendar and say we will be opened by this date and we will be shoulder to shoulder at baseball games by this date, it doesn't work that way. the spread of the disease is going to determine when we can open. >> appreciate your time and insights this morning. best of luck in the days ahead. >> thank you. massachusetts is among the states where the reopening remains tbd. it reported nearly 2,000 new cases yesterday, saturday. and you see here in recent days, its case count, you call that a plateau at best. a requirement to wear a mask takes effect on wednesday. the boston mayor says city police are prepared to enforce that policy if necessary. mayor walsh joins us now. where are you, when you look at the massachusetts numbers, when you look at the boston numbers, are you still climbing? have you plateaued? i was using a sports analogy with the mayor of dallas, are you in the first inning or the fifth inning? >> i think we're between the

first and the fifth. i think that these numbers, we see, they are going up. we are watching our hospitalization. our hospitals are doing a very good job of managing. we built 1,000 beds at the convention center here, 500 hospital beds and 500 beds for our homeless population. we have 200 people in there right now. almost 500 people have gone through there, in and out. we're still in the days of battling this and trying to change that curve. the governor did the mask order on friday. we're going to be statewide mask -- we're asking people to wear masks. we're going to figuring out this week in boston how we're going to enforce that. we're taking a lot of precautions here and your previous guest is a great guy, a friend, and listening to what he's dealing with in dallas,

it's complicated. i can't imagine being in a state where the governor and mayors are on different pages and make it even more complicated. >> one of the things we saw over the weekend, it's getting warmer, people want to get out. we can show you pictures. this is from the national mall in washington, d.c., in central park. i would assume, you don't need to be a doctor to say some of those people are just way too close given here in d.c. the case count is still going up. new york is in the plateau. are you seeing any of this in boston? >> we're asking people to practice social distancing. i went for a walk yesterday, myself, and everyone kept, you know, 20 feet away from each other just about. they were walking out there. occasionally, you'll have a couple people see each other and stop and talk. the science behind this is simple, if you come in contact with somebody with coronavirus and you stay six, eight feet away from them, wearing a mask,

don't gather in groups, you'll be okay. and i think -- watching all of these conversations and seeing this in the country, people protesting and rallying and fighting, i think we all want the economy to open up. i want to go back to baseball games. i want to go back to football games when the fall comes. i want to do that. but the doctors and scientists are telling us right now it's not the right thing to do. you have to look at other countries in the world and see what's happened there. the mixed messaging is confusing and that message that was said yesterday, whether it's central park or the mall is the wrong message. we're still very much in the beginning days of coronavirus. even if you're a state that is seeing numbers go down, i'm glad that's happening. i hope that continues to go down. but if we're not smart about the way we do things, those numbers could turn around and go up again. >> you're in the fire drill phase, in my words, up there in boston. as you hear people talk about the future, some people at the

white house saying maybe we don't need another stimulus plan. the president saying, even if there's more spending, he doesn't want money to go to cities like yours. listen. >> i don't think you should have sanctuary cities if they get that kind of aid. if you're going to get aid to the city and states, billions of dollars, i don't think you should have sanctuary cities. i don't see helping cities and states if they're going to be sanctuary. >> what would you say to the president? >> it's really unfortunate. the president has an opportunity to lead here and bringing the conversation of sanctuary cities into the coronavirus, which is just -- i guess i believe it now. but it's really -- he should be focused on making sure the american economy opens up and making sure the american people are safe and not worry about sanctuary cities. to me, that's just a -- that's a ploy to get the conversation in a different place and that doesn't work for me. i'm focused in boston on making sure that all of the residents of boston are safe.

all of the residents, wherever they come from, who lives in my city, that they're safe and we can continue to get our economy back online. if he wants to do that, let's focus on what's important. what's important is making sure our cities and towns don't collapse, making sure we have enough testing so we can find out where we stand. we don't have the mass tests that we can get a picture of where we stand. i think any city or town or state in the country quite understands where they stand right now and how they move out of this and then we still need personal protective equipment for our doctors, nurses, frontline folks who still need it. as we move down the road here, if there's a second surge, all of the equipment that they have now, they'll need more stuff. i think that's what the federal government should be focused on. >> best of luck in the days ahead. >> thank you. thanks, john. up next, the latest medical news including the white house plan to ramp up vaccine production.

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hope is to reach the finish line by january, seven, eight months from now. >> not every vaccine that we went after worked, that's an assumption that it's going to be safe, that it's going to be effective and that we're going to be able to do it quickly. each of those are feasible and likely. that's what i mean when i say by january we'll do it. but i can't guarantee it. >> with us this sunday, dr. ashish jha and dr. megan ranney a brown university researchers and emergency room physician in rhode island. when you hear dr. fauci say january can't guarantee it, is that reasonable or unrealistic given your understanding of all of these vaccine trials under way? >> good morning, john, thanks for having me back on. i would say that's incredibly optimistic. look, there's nobody i trust more on this than dr. fauci. and so i'm not going to contradict him.

but i look at the same data and i think, january would be wonderful, but -- >> dr. ranney, you're treating patients, obviously, and we're talking during the break about boston and rhode island having issues. are their patients in your hospital getting this drug remdesivir as helpful, not a game changer, but helpful to people who have severe symptoms? >> so up until just a couple of days ago, remdesivir was only available in the context of clinical trials. now that they've created that emergency use authorization, we'll be able to start using it for the sick patients, the ones who are in the intensive care unit on ventilators or other forms of life support. i think that we'll be ramping it up over the days and weeks to come. but of course, just like with everybody else in this pandemic, it's still in short supply. gilead said they're going to

make large numbers of dosages available, but we don't know which hospitals are getting them yet or if it's going to be enough. >> i want to put up on the screen the five-day track of cases. each state is making their decision rather than or not to open. in the state of rhode island, still heading up or plateaued, flat, at best. we talked about massachusetts. i was talking to the dallas mayor, they had a single-day spike on friday. you're watching the reopening beginning to play out across the country but what are you seeing in the emergency room every day and what are you hearing from your colleagues? >> so in my emergency department, and other emergency departments across the country, we are still seeing really sick covid patients. remember, it takes about a week for people to start having symptoms and then the worst of it happens somewhere between 7 and 14 days alerlater. now we're getting really, really sick and needing to be admitted to the hospital.

we're seeing of course all of those other things, all of those people who stayed home because they were scared to come to the hospital and maybe waited a little too long. the sickness of the patients coming through emergency departments across the country right now is just sky-high. we're there to take care of people 24/7. and i just plead with people, if they're not feeling good to come and get evaluated. it's been too late for some of the patients i've seen. >> what do you think, and tell me if you agree or disagree, when you see research like the center of diseases, this thing's not going to stop until it infects 60% to 70% of people. this with us for a year, two or more. do you agree? >> i sadly do agree, this is not a war to be fought. this is not an enemy to be vain kwished. it's here with us. my kids are going to deal with this when they're adults. i'm hopeful we'll have a vaccine

sooner rather than later. but there's no guarantee. until then, we have to have adequate testing, we have to have adequate protective equipment but we also have to follow the science. while we still don't have national leadership to get us testing or protective equipment, those of us who are out there in society need to wear masks and stay distanced. it is only through that that we're going to be able to stay healthy. listen, john, we all want to reopen. i want my kids to go to summer camp. but i also want to protect my parents and i want to protect my community. we're going to do one step forward, one step back following the science, following the public health messaging for the near future. certainly through the fall as we face that likely second wave of virus. >> dr. ranney, appreciate your time this sunday. dr. jha as well, we had a little trouble with the communications. thank you both. what marco rubio and joseph kennedy have in common these days, worries the wrong people

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the white house says an emergency coronavirus program designed to keep small businesses afloat is a winner. >> this program has been extraordinarily successful during the first round of ppp loans. 1.6 million loans were issued to small businesses. of those 1.6 million loans, 1 million were given to companies with ten or fewer employees. >> "the washington post" analysis is far less kind, recipients include 43 companies with 500 workers. several other recipients were prosperous enough to pay executives $2 million or more. our next guests sees big banks helping to administer the program part of the problem.

congressman joseph kennedy is with us. just now in part because a republican senator marco rubio has been kicking the administration saying give us the details. the treasury put out a statement saying in this second round, the average loan is $79,000. do you have any confidence they're getting it right or getting it better in round two? >> i think we're probably getting it better. let's be clear. a couple big points here. one, congress still has not passed anywhere near enough money to make sure that small businesses are going to be able to make it through this. the estimates out there that i've seen and heard are on the order of a trillion dollars alone for small businesses and we've passed about $650 billion which means, john, you have people that didn't make the first round of funding, you're going to have the folks that don't make the second round of funding. you have small businesses that are going to be waiting a long time for a third round of funding. that's going to be a huge

problem. two, it means folks that were best positioned for those first two rounds, might get access to help, but the folks that aren't, the smaller businesses don't, and that's what we're hearing over and over again and not just the execution of the projects, but the design of it too. and i think the administration needs to be honest with the american public about where the shortfalls are and how we're going to make this work and make it better. that's the entire point. we need these small businesses to be able to keep their employees afloat and provide a lifeline to the american public. >> you question what is already under way. you say there needs to be more. listen to the president's top economic advisers saying the economy is reopening, we might be done. >> i think right now because there's been good news, really, that the opening up is starting to happen faster than we expected, appears to be doing so safely, then there is a chance that we won't need a phase four. >> what do you say to that? >> so the states started opening

occupy on friday. it's been a day and a half. massachusetts, we are still very much in the midst and the throws of this thing. the idea when you have state budgets looking at the next fiscal year that are looking at 25 to 35% shortfalls, there's nowhere close to say we're done. i have no doubt when we see the next round of unemployment numbers, you're going to see a different story coming out of the white house to say we need more money to keep people afloat. the way this administration chooses which facts to put out publicly is interesting to say the least. >> interesting is a kind word on a sunday morning. a rare statement came out yesterday from mitch mcconnell, republican of kentucky, and your speaker nancy pelosi, the president had offered the administration offered testing. they rejected the offer for testing saying our testing capacity are continuing to scale

up and congress wants to direct resources to the frontline facilities where they can do the most good. mitch mcconnell acknowledging in an election year, no way, i'm not getting tested, and then finding out that some state doesn't have enough tests, pushing the political thing aside. what is your take on that and your take on the criticism from the republicans in the house that why won't you come back to work? >> so a couple things here, right, the testing regimen that has been a failure from the very beginning, the idea that we're several months into this and the united states of america still does not have enough tests to adequately test its people is shameful and that fault lies in a number of locations but that comes down to an administration that not only did we -- were we unprepared for this pandemic, we still months later have not gotten our arms around the size and zoscope of it so we can safy reopen. the governor here in massachusetts is trying to put together the country's most

robust contact tracing policy here and we can't get enough tests. this has been a massive failure. i think speaker pelosi and mr. mcconnell were correct to say, at a time when we're relying on first responders, on folks that are delivering our mail, stocking our grocery stores and our doctors and nurses, they still can't get access to the testing that they need, then we need to focus on those folks before we start taking up tests for congress and let's put the focus where we need to in order to open up as quickly as we possibly can. >> appreciate your time this morning. very grateful on this sunday. i like the art collection up on the wall behind you. have a good day. >> thank you. the election is six months away and the president is angry. his pandemic response is hurting his re-election odds and making other republicans nervous about theirs.

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we're now six months to election day and as is always the case with the president seeking a second term, november's vote is more than anything else a referendum on the incumbent. and president trump is anxious and angry. cnn reported this week at his campaign manager. he has little to no control over the pandemic now shaping almost every 2020 conversation. he does have control over his own words, though. and one trump constant of late is trying to erase reality. thursday closed out april, the month the president predicted the coronavirus would disappear. history records facts, not predictions. april will be remembered for 60,000-plus american deaths. >> i don't think anybody has done a better job with testing, ventilators, with all of the things that we've done, and our death totals, numbers, per

million people, are really very, very strong. >> tone deaf to say the least. even the president's closest advisors believe he's off when he predicts the economy will rebound quickly. >> i built the greatest economy with all of the people who helped me and all of the people in this country, we built the greatest economy the world has ever seen and we're going to do it again. it's not going to be that long. >> bad battleground state polling is why the president lashed out at as campaign manager. only 42% of americans approve of the president's handling of the coronavirus crisis. 57% disapprove. that's a 14-point spike. the president saying the economy is going to rocket back is a little tone deaf. the president saying the death numbers are good, i would say is

beyond tone deaf. you wrote the other day about this effort to try to be very optimistic about the economy going forward. is there not a concern that the president of the united states, if this recovery is uneven, if there is a coronavirus comeback, if you will, will sound off, out of touch? >> in many ways he's sounded off in his predictions as you mentioned back in march when he said all of this will go away. he said we were at 15 cases and going down to 0. many people are saying that the country needs a cheerleader and the president is providing hope, but there are other advisers around the president and on the democratic side that say by being overly optimistic, failing to follow the science and data, the president is moving too quickly towards trying to get the country opened up and overpromising what he can provide between now and november and that's going to leave voters dissatisfied. we could still have tens of thousands of more deaths between

now and november. as you mentioned, there could be a second spike. there's a risk in overpromising and being overly cheerful about what's happening when the country is looking for leadership and someone to be level with them about what they're about to face. it's clear that president wants to err on the side of being overly optimistic. but there's a risk in that strategy and they look at the polling and part of the reason he's not been doing daily press briefings because he's tried to be overly optimistic and that hasn't worked out too well for him in the polls. there's the balance between overly optimistic and providing hope to the country. and it's not clear that the president has figured out how to strike that balance yet. >> we don't talk about the election as much because we're in the middle of a pandemic. what is striking to me, republicans have directly criticized the president, but saying not only is he hurting himself they worry about the

senate. >> that's exactly right. i hear the same kind of things you do which is that republicans are looking at those numbers and those senate races, places like arizona, maine or even michigan, and they're feeling a little bit nervous. and part of what we're seeing is a reversal in the rules that have governed republican politics in the entirety of the trump administration, you agree with the president and you don't do anything that could make him lash out against you on twitter. and now you're seeing on some of the moderate republicans, you see them making really subtle efforts to draw lines between where they are on the pandemic response and where the president is. and that's pretty clear why they're doing that when you look at the numbers. not only has the president not gotten the kind of boost that we would expect in this kind of

moment of a national crisis, typically there's a rally around the flag effect where americans go to their president and boost up those approval ratings. we haven't seen that with president trump. his approval ratings have boosted up a little bit and now it's returned to where they've been for most of this administration. and we also see a really key number which is that two-thirds of voters believe that he mishandled the early days of this response. so that's the kind of number that a lot of republicans are looking at and getting a little nervous about, along with their own polling numbers. >> and as you study, the president -- he sounds off sometimes. he was urging governors to reopen their schools. 36 or 37 states said that was not going to up. it's up to 44 now. if you know that, why are you saying that. and some of your colleagues, this is one thing that jumped out in a "washington post" story today. a vitamins executive who socializes with trump in mar-a-lago said the president asked him to call the california

governor on his cell phone and try to make a deal for the nation's largest state to buy millions of tablets of hydroxychloroquine. a guy i know sells products who are making the drug and it goes on and on. the president of the united states is talking to a friend from mar-a-lago, trying -- it's just mind-boggling that this is how his time is being spent in the middle of a pandemic. >> the president has access to the best doctors in the world, best scientists in the world that work for the federal government and that work with the federal government and instead he relies on friends, he relies on media personalities. there was talk about laura ingram going to the white house and trying to pitch different drugs and treatments to the president and the president pushes ideas and talking during some of these briefings and focusing on the media side and manager more animated when it came to describing how he was going to present the findings to the media or speak publicly

about what was happening behind closed doors. that's one of the biggest challenges that we've seen in a lot of the reporting of this response is that the president has often contradicted his science experts. he's undermined them. he's made it more difficult for them to provide a response and that's part of what the problem has been so far. >> thanks so much. lisa is going to stay with us. tara reade says she will do a televised interview but not this weekend. joe biden says she deserves to be heard but he also said it never happened. >> announcer: "inside politics" is brought to you by salanpas. try it for your pain. it's powerful, fda-approved to relieve moderate pain for up to 12 hours, yet non-addictive and gentle on the body. salonpas. it's good medicine. hisamitsu.

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former vice president joe biden says tara reade deserves to be heard but he also says her claim is false. reade is a former senate staffer. last year sheccused then-senator biden of touching her. then later she accused him of assaulting her with his fingers. >> did you sexual assault tara reade? >> no. it is not true. i'm saying it unequivocally, it never, never happened. women have a right to be heard and we should rigorously investigate claims they make. but the truth matters. in this case the truth is the claims are false.

>> reade says she filed a complaint about uncomfortable interactions at the time. numerous biden aides contacted by cnn and other news organizations say they have no recollection of any complaint and say they were never told of or never heard of such an incident. biden is now asking the senate and the national archives to review available records and if anything relevant is found, to release it. he's also facing calls to allow an independent search of his personal papers held by the university of delaware to verify there are no relevant documents there. those documents are meant to be kept private until two years after biden retires from public life. lisa lehrer of "the new york times" is still with us. cnn's mj lee joins us. lisa, tara reade decided to wait for giving interviews. >> she told me she was getting numerous death rates, not only she but her child was getting death threats, getting all kind of things coming in on the internet, they had to alert the

police and that spooked her and made her, she said, want to not do this interview and kind of keep a lower profile, as much as that's possible, really, at this stage in this whole situation. >> and anybody watching, whatever you think of the allegations, whatever you think of tara reade, whatever you think of joe biden, it is reprehensible that it would come to that in this environment. mj, one of the political dynamics to this story is you have veterans of the obama search process, the attorney who led the vetting in 2008 that led barack obama to pick joe biden, other members of the staff including top strategist david axelrod writing on cnn.com that the vet would have turned up any formal complaints filed against biden during his 38-year career in the senate. it did not. had any credible issue been raised, you can be sure biden would not have been the nominee, obama would not have tolerated it. you see here, and i'm not criticizing it, but this is a

concerted effort by team obama to say, we looked under every rock, there was nothing there. >> and this is just one of the really tricky things about reporting out this story, you know, people who say they know joe biden really well and have known him for decades, those folks have said, and we've spoken to some half dozen former biden aides, i know lisa has done really extensive reporting on this as well, they say that the joe biden that they knew at the time simply did not have this kind of reputation. they also just heard nothing at the time about any complaints about sexual harassment let alone a complaint about sexual assault. so on the one hand you have folks who knew biden, which includes more recently the people who would have been involved in doing his vetting in the run-up to the obama presidency, and then you of course have the people who are close to tara reade who have come forward to say she told us

about this alleged sexual assault either at the time or within a few years of it happening. so at some point, not only is this becoming sort of a he said/she said, but it's also becoming a her people said and his people said. i think that's why this has become obviously so divisive. and i think so personally hurtful to people who feel like they know these two people who are saying very different things. >> and so it's a difficult moment for all involved. and lisa, you did some reporting in the newspaper today on what this does to liberal activists, to members of the democratic party who have been advocates for the "me too" movement, some of the people under consideration for joe biden's running mate list, when it came to brett kavanaugh and the supreme court, that any woman should be given deference. >> she has nothing to gain.

>> when you look at credibility, the fact that she had mentioned this years before means a lot. >> i was proud of dr. blaisy ford's response and her demeanor and more importantly, her courage in stepping forward. >> discuss the anxiety among democrats, many of whom, including those women there, who say "i believe joe biden" but whose public record says tara reade deserves to be heard. >> democrats deserve to be in a challenged position. democrats drew contrast with the president who of course has more than a dozen women accusing him of sexual abuse in various forms as being the party that takes a no-tolerance stance when it comes to sexual harassment, gender bias, all these kinds of issues. now they're faced with what is by all accounts a very challenging case. some democrats are drawing a

distinction from kavanaugh, saying unlike with kavanaugh, where there was a body, the senate, to investigate those claims, there's no real clear body here to investigate these claims. joe biden is not in office. this is a presidential campaign. there is no employer or ethics committee or anything like that. so that leaves everybody kind of in this murky territory, voters and, you know, partisans on both sides, of how to figure out what exactly is going on here. i also think some of this is due to the campaign's response, because biden and this campaign were silent for so many weeks, that really put his top female surrogates, including some who are being considered for the vice presidency, in this position where they had to answer challenging questions that he was unwilling to go out there and talk about. that's a position that no politician particularly wants to be in, particularly, you know, when you think you're auditioning for the vice preside

presidential slot. this is challenging political dynamics from the campaign and from the larger political environment and moment that we're in. >> lisa lerer, mj lee, i appreciate your insights. i want to echo the point, people at home should make their own decision, but the idea that the trump campaign and the republican national committee are trying to traffic in this story is laughable given the president's own history and lack of transparency on this issue. that's it for us, we're here at noon eastern on weekends as well. up next, jake tapper's guests include larry kudlow, gretchen whitmer, larry hogan, plus independent congressman justin amash who hopes to be the libertarian party's presidential nominee. thanks for sharing your sunday. have a good day. stay safe. and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do even more, like transform into an air fryer. the ninja foodi grill, the grill that sears, sizzles, and air fry crisps. [anthony] hey mama, what's up? [mama] i'm confused.

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