yes. because we need people to run the buses and trains and we need the nurses and doctors and food on the shelves. you want to see things go bad in a hurry? no food on the shelves. right. no electric power. you want to see panic and an ark key? you need the essential workers. and we still need them. but at a minimum talk about respect and wearing a mask, they use public transit. safe in this case means clean. we talk about the density as a spreader. yeah, that's true, but, also, public transit, if it's not clean, can spread. right. one of the surfaces the virus lives on is stainless steel.

you look at the poles in the subway car, you have to clean the cars. and i'm grateful to the front line workers for coming out. they need the public transit. we owe it to them that it's safe and clean. and to do that, you have to close it down to 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. also 92% reduction in ridership. your ridership is down to, like, 8%. and 1:00 to 5:00 a.m. is the lowest period of ridership. so people will work literally in the middle of the night to clean the trains. it's the least. for the essential workers and everyone. we have to be able to say our public transit system is safe. and it is clean. especially getting ready. planning to reopen. you cannot do anything without a public transit system people have confidence in.

and knowing it's clean and disinfecting it, i think it's vital to confidence in new york. just confidence and comfort with the situation in new york and the midst of this pandemic. right. [ inaudible question ] whatever we can do to help is great. but this is also an ongoing situation. i don't want to sit here and just say i'm going to wait for the help for help from the federal government. whatever help they give us is great. it's also clear from the federal government it's up to the

governors. up to governors. so whatever we can do on our own so we're not reliant on anyone. that's the best. thank you, guys! wear a mask. >> all right. new york governor andrew cuomo there announcing, you know, there's the power in partnership. inviting governors of connecticut, pennsylvania, delaware, neighboring new jersey, and, also, saying they are sharing resources and ideas about how to best move forward and reflect about the lessons learned during the pandemic. let's talk about this. joining me now is cnn business correspondent alisyn cozzic and brian stelt zer. good to see you. underscoring the power of the partnership. yet at the same time the governor saying, you know, that he is, also, a little bit worried about this false considerate that might be out

there. the weather is great. people are getting out. he implores it's important to wear a mask. not just to protect yourself but be responsible and not disrespectful to try to protect others. >> right. he's telling everybody to wear a mask he's warning there could be another wave and he's telling everybody this is how he's going to be prepared just in case there's going to be another round. and that is by using the consortium that had been formed with the northeast states when they were discussing how to reopen their economy safely. now they're all coming back together to discuss how to be more prepared if there is another round. so these northeast states, seven of them, looking to purchase $5 billion of equipment and supplies that will include ppe, tests, and ventilators with governor andrew cuomo emphasizing we're not going to rely on the federal government. he went back and talked about lessons learned about the

confusion and the mad scramble, as he called it, to get this vital equipment to hospitals and to doctors. he said that states, at one point, were bidding against each other. that winds up costing more money. he said by forming a consortium, she's putting together not just the financial resources but brain power and the manufacturing to get that important equipment to the region. >> yeah. he was saying thank goodness at the same time also how absurd it is that, you know, he would be able to or have to really piggy back off, you know, nfl team owner robert kraft. his aircraft going to pick up supplies from massachusetts in china and that he would say, hey, i want in on that, too, and would be able to make a purchase. >> right. it's ridiculous the federal government didn't seem to have their backs.

it's lessons learned. this time around he said the governors by the way four of them showed up on video conferencing from new jersey to thank andrew cuomo for putting this together. so all of these states in the region are better prepared. >> yeah. let me ask you, what are your concerns with more than 30 states reopening. many more will open up this week. you heard the governor of new york there saying, you know, he's worried about that false concern that people feel like, okay, i'm hearing from the governor the hospitalizations are down. the number of deaths are down. almost feeling like, you know, it's a green light to just resume business as normal. what are your concerns about that sentiment, potentially? >> right. and actually the white house opened up america again plan laid out a set of principles that were pretty much right. they were the right principles for when states can start

relaxing restrictions. most of the states that are doing it today don't meet the guidelines at the white house put together. i think there's a public health communication strategy that needs to happen. if we open up too soon, we're going see a resurgence of cases. a lot more people getting sick and dying. we'll have to shut down again. that is what we should be avoiding now. >> brian, governor cuomo was reflecti reflective about the lack of national coordination. you talked about it earlier on your show with your guests. even today's "washington post" talks about nearly two months lost of the white house in denial. kushner saying the response has been spectacular. in fact, it's a great success story. you have the white house talking about in a reflective way things have gone well.

isn't that also sending a strong signal to other states and the rest of the country that, yes, everyone, it's time to reopen for business. it's back to normal. >> yeah. a strong signal but the wrong signal. the president can post whatever propaganda he wants. he does it all day long on twitter. he retweets the randomest people he can find. none of that changes the reality of this virus. i'm growing increasingly frustrated and fascinated by this cognitive dissidence we're seeing. this is what dr. sanjay gupta called it, as well. the knowledge we know it's going to be around for months or years. versus the behavior like some states going back to normal.

it's a cognitive dissidence in action. ultimately, as the doctor said, we're going to see more shut downs as a result. i think it's great to see governor cuomo emphasizing masks and social responsibility. it's the state and local leaders who can hopefully get through to their voters and their constituents say we have a social responsibility now as we want to go outside and enjoy the weather and that to be responsible and try to keep others safe. that we are having to do this not for ourselves but others. those messages will be vital. i'm seeing the same thing you're seeing. people want to get outside. the parks are starting to fill up. i'm going outside like everybody else. i got on my bike yesterday but wearing gloves for the first time. it's weird. it's not comfortable. but it's necessary! and we have learn how to adapt in those ways and mitigate risks. we're not seeing a lot of communication happening from the federal level. so thankfully we're seeing it

from the state level from cuomo and the other governors in the new york work -- northeast working together on this. >> are you concerned about a potential setback? >> yeah. it's dangerous. if your case numbers are rising and you're opening up, i think, to say you're playing with fire would be an understatement. i'm deeply worried. and, you know, look, again, i think it's fine to go outside. going outside is a good thing. when the weather is nice. you have to stay away from each other. you can't crowd into parks and beaches. we have to have clear communication and clear guidelines. if we do those things, it's great to be outside and we can get through the upcoming weeks and months. if we act irresponsibly, we're begin to be shut down again and we'll be shut down in the middle of summer. i don't think anybody wants that. it's really important that we

let the science and evidence drive our decision making. and our political leaders reflect that science and evidence. >> thank you. i appreciate it. all right. the white house pushing the pause button on relief aid as millions of americans struggle with the economic downturn caused by the coronavirus. this morning the administration announced more than half the money set aside for the second paycheck protection program has already been given out. more than $175 billion. according to president trump's national chief economic advisor, it could be awhile for any more aid to be given out. >> there's kind of a pause period now. you know, we put up $3 trillion of direct federal budget assistance in one way or another. the federal reserve has put in as much as $4 trillion. it's a huge, huge package.

let's see how it's doing as we gradually reopen the economy. >> cnn's kristen holmes is at the white house for us. so do we have any details about what this pause in aid could mean? >> this is how kudlow broke it down. they need to finish executing the current package and then they were going to watch how the economy was doing. how was the country doing? meaning they were going to sit back and watch as these state economies slowly reopened. as we know, this is a hardship for so many people. first of all, the unemployment numbers are going to get worse before they get better and there are a lot of people who just can't wait. and that's what jake tapper asked kudlow. pushing back saying if the program has been so successful, then why are you waiting? and here is what kudlow said to that. >> this has been an extremely popular and effective program. no question about it. you know, keeping folks on the

payroll is so important. even if they're furloughed for awhile, they'll be picked up by the unemployment compensation. so, yes, that suggests, i might add, potential strong spring back once the states gradually phase in the reopenings in the transition months of may and june. i think your point is well taken. you know, we waited a little bit too long, i thought, when the last ran out. let's not make the same mistake again. then saying they don't want to wait too long. i spoke to another one of president trump's economic advisors yesterday who said a phase four might not even be necessary. that's what was going to include some of that state funding. if funding you heard governor cuomo among others begging the federal government for. democrats had tried to negotiate that into the phase three.

they were not able to do so. president trump said he would consider it with phase four. >> thank you so much. still ahead, a first step forward in the race to find a treatment for coronavirus. the white house providing new hope for the drug. but stops short of calling it a silver bullet. we're live next. there's moving... and then there's moving with move free ultra.

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it was town to shorten the duration of illness in parkts but adds no significantly effect on mortality. dr. deborah birx was asked whether it was a silver bullet let. >> in parallel, we have a series of therapeutics including plasma and also anti-bodies being worked through. we are -- we are concentrating on vaccines as well as therapeutic bridges to ensure that the american people can do well with this virus eventually. we really want to ensure there's both therapeutics available and vaccines available rapidly. >> and david sanger is a national security correspondent for the "new york times" and cnn political and national security analyst. good to see you. you wrote a piece for the times yesterday about the race for vaccines and therapeutic medicines to treat coronavirus. what did you make of dr. birx

refraining from calling it a silver bullet? >> i think she was right. as you can see the strategy come into play, it's less a strategy than sort of a series of events that are coming together here. these therapeutics are a bridge but no solution. all it's going to do, it appears, reduce the number of days people are hospitalized. may reduce mortality. even though there's conflicting evidence on that. but this is something will hold back the waters while they move toward a vaccine. i think was most striking is this, for the times, was the absence of a national and international strategy to get to that moment. even though there's hope that a vaccine might be available early next year. >> when you talk about that vaccine possibly by early next year. dr. fauci was like maybe january. dr. birx was asked about the

possibility. listen. >> the operation warp speed has done. it's not relying on a single vaccine platform. it's relying on several different candidates that are made differently and act differently. then it's about doing compressed phase one, two, three trials and overlapping way moving forward when you have a good safety data but not with the level of pauses that are often present in vaccine development. on paper it's possible. it's whether we can execute around execute around the globe. for phase three, you have to have active viral transmission in a community in order to study the efficacy. >> is that what people are telling you? >> absolutely. it's interesting she's using operation warp speed, which is what the president and his team

are calling this effort to compress the development of a vaccine. something would normally take an average of 10 years and try to do it in 10 months or less. the key is running a whole different array of vaccine experiments in parallel. and running the clinical trials and hoping one breaks our way. and that's essentially what is going on here. it's combined with an effort to build manufacturing capability in the united states and around the world but primarily in the u.s. so if there is one that is successful, they're not then spending the time to build up that manufacturing line but instead can move directly to it. >> yeah. that's going to be an incredible lift, you know, that the manufacturing demand. i mean, this is a global pandemic. it can't just provide enough vaccines, if it comes to that,

for the united states. it has to think globally. >> that's right. that was the most interesting element of what our reporting team found. there's a nationalistic tendency here, of course, to say my country first and president trump has been doing that. xi jinping has been doing that in china. the indian government has been saying similar things. it's understandable if you're a national leader, you want to make sure it's your population that gets perfected first. the best strategy may be to protect health workers around the world first, to protect hot spots. not to do it nationally but globally. that's the tension you're going to see unfold, i think, in the next few weeks and months. >> yeah. and particularly because people are transient. a lot of first responders are going from country to country. it's just not within a nation. lots of big concerns. >> that's right.

you won't cut off all travel particularly between the number one and two economies, the united states and china. at the moment you open up the air travel, you're opening a new path way for infection. the president talks about cutting the travel off in january from wuhan and other areas. all it did is buy us time. when we start, it will create a new pathway. so they need a strategy, global strategy. i don't hear many governments talking about what that should look like. >> all right. david sanger, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> great to be with you. all right the struggles that the meat processing plants are facing as they try to combat coronavirus cases among employees. a closer look how quickly the cases can spread. next. it neutralizes bacteria for a healthier mouth

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a top official for the cdc calls food processing plants a lingering concerns. this as the city in iowa sees a spike in cases that experts say could be related to local outbreak -- a local outbreak, rather, at a meat packing plant. here is cnn's miguel marquez. >> dakota city, nebraska across the state line from sioux city, iowa. 4300 employees at the meat processing plant. one of the employees i'm speaking to is one of them.

you just wait your turn, they said. out of fear for losing their job, we're not identifying this person who says it was clear something was wrong at the plant for weeks. >> how many have gone missing in the last several weeks? >> three, four, or 500, they said. tyson has tested everyone at the plant but this person says the company could have done more earlier. >> they only started giving you masks a couple of weeks ago. only masks. yes? no other protective gear? >> no gloves, no face shields, no gowns, they say. >> so well into the crisis over covid 19, it was the only protection offered to employees at the plant in the dakota city. something we also heard from officials at another tyson plant in waterloo. >> we walked out knowing we had an enormous problem. blackhawk county sheriff and health department officials inspected tyson's waterloo, iowa

plant open april 10th. >> about a third of their staff was wearing masks, at that point. some of them had masks but they were dangling around their necks. >> reporter: thompson said his county is in a full on health crisis. blackhawk county has more c confirmed cases than any other county in the state. >> our front line of defense has fallen back now to the er front doors, to the long-term care facility front doors, to my jail front door. >> and now concerns about reopening parts of the state to regular business and forcing meat packing plants back to work too hastily. >> president trump does this defense production act telling tyson they have open back up. i don't know what that is supposed to say to the citizens here that that contracted the disease or citizens here who are twice the risk of catching the virus than anywhere else. >> reporter: in that tyson

employee in nebraska also has a message for the president. >> i just want him to know, they say, we are human and have families that care about us and we care about them, too. >> a spokesperson for tyson said the company did have trouble sourcing masks and protective gear early on. even chartering a plane, at one point, to fly overseas to pick up protective gear. the company does have 140,000 employees. with regard to the president and his order to reopen the plants, the spokesperson saying that employees' safety will be first and to that point, we did speak to a union representative and a health department official in waterloo, iowa who said they believe tyson understands what is at stake here and what needs to be done and that the company will do everything it can to avoid further infections. back to you. >> miguel marquez, thank you so much. joining me now is joe henry.

good to see you. >> good to be here. thank you. >> based on what miguel described, is that why you have said that meat packing plants are ticking time bombs? >> they are. these meat processing plants are incubators for the virus. people are within inches of each other. not feet. things need to be done. this is is a crisis that has been in the making for the last several decades due to deregulation and the way this has been done. we need to have things change. we're calling all our americans here in the united states to please help us promote a meatless may monday. we urge people to not eat corporate beef, pork, and poultry to send a message to the corporations that we need safety in the workplace. we need the ppe masks. we need to slow down of the line

speed within the facilities. we need to make sure that the workers are treated with all the safety requirements they need, that they are provided with the health care they need, if they get ill. things need to be done right now. we need to change the way the industry takes -- the way the industry treats its workers and the farmers, too. >> you're calling for meatless monltds starting tomorrow in the month of may. so your organization also, you know, sent a letter to the u.s. labor department demanding clear giendlines. protecting workers. you did it in march and recently followed up with a formal complaint against a meat packing facility in iowa. did it happen to be the same one that miguel profiled? >> it was a jps facility in marshalltown, iowa. >> what is the response you received? >> the response we received from jbs they seeded they in compliance with safety

procedures. we believe they weren'ted at the time. they have changed in some ways but still workers are close to each other. they are being given the mask. they're still working in a fast pace because of the work at the high speed. it's very hard for them to continue to keep those masks on. and imagine jogging with a mask on for eight hours. that's what these workers are undergoing right now. so the speed of work, the amount of meat they cut per hour must slow down so they can breathe adequately with the safety gear. >> i'm sorry, i interrupted you. tell me what is this like for workers who are told, you know, by their company or they hear it from the white house, you know, meat packing plants ordered to reopen. people who work there concerned about their safety but at the same time they need and want their jobs. what are the workers telling you about how they're going about making a decision?

>> well, they feel shocked. they can't believe they're being forced to go into unsafe working conditions while many of them are sick. their coworkers are sick. they feel like it's a death march into the facilities. now right now it's very clear these workers do not have adequate health care when they go into hospitals. they have a 5 to $10,000 out of pocket deductible they have to pay. it's very hard for them to get the testing that many workers have requested to have testing on the virus to have been turned down by hospitals and clinics unless they provide some additional proof they need it. so this is a scary situation. so the workers are getting infected. they're coming home. they're infecting families, extended families, uncles, aunts, grandparents. we look at small towns where 10% of the community might be looking a the plant. this is an incubation and

pandemic within that community. we look at iowa. over 20 meat processing facilities in iowa. we're ground zero here. within 250 miles of des moines, 70% of all the pork in this country is produced. can you imagine what is going to happen here by the end of may. that's why we need americans to stand with us to going say no to corporate beef, pork, and poultry. start with meatless may mondays. but take it from there. we do -- and i new toad make ne it clear. we support the farmers. we support what they need to do with their livestock. we're urging people if they want to buy on mondays or whatever buy the meat, pork, poultry from farmers. they can do that. we support the farmers and the workers. we need federal legislation to enhance osha to make sure we have mandatory -- in all these facilities. >> and what you're saying is these meatless mondays will help

get the attention of the meat packing companies so they would put more protections in place so as the employees can report for duty, be at work, but be protected. that's what your message is. >> exactly. there's another thing. in our urge for federal legislation, we do need at least temporary legal status for the undocumented immigrants who work at many meat packing plants because they're held hostage by the fact they feel they cannot demand their right to a safe working environment because of share z-- status. thank you so much for being with us today. i appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead, ohio governor explains his reversal on the decision to require face masks at all times. >> that was just a bridge too far. people were not going to accept the government telling them what

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♪ as ohio prepares to reopen businesses, the governor is admitting he went too far when he recently ordered everyone, including customers, to wear face masks when they are in public. >> it became clear to me that that was just a bridge too far. the people were not going to accept the government telling them what to do. so we put out, you know, dozens and dozens of orders. that was one that just went too far. at the same time we pulled it back. said, look, it's highly recommended. this is, for most people, unless you have a physical reason you can't wear the mask, and we understand that, but when you go into a retail store, that's the kind thing to do. >> for more on ohio's reopening plan, let's bring in cnn's jeff

zeleny. so dewine was the first governor to close schools but now facing growing pressure to reopen businesses. what is ohio's plan? >> reporter: he was the first governor and a republican governor, we should point out, to close schools and sound the alarm. he was ahead of the white house in terms of making this a serious issue. as he is slowly beginning to reopen his state, he did what many other governors did not do. he's extending his order not calling stay at home. calling it safer at home. some of the language there. we spent a few days in ohio this week talking to business owners who are seeing businesses across the country open up. they're wondering when it's going to be their turn. >> i would say it's been frustrating. strenous, obviously. >> reporte -- strenous, obviously. >> reporter: sheila's bar is froze in time. she's had may 1st, etched into her mind. a date she hoped to learn when she could at least plan to

reopen. >> i was hoping we would hear that restaurants could open in some capacity by a specific date. >> reporter: she and other restaurant owners haven't heard a word as governor mike dewine inches toward opening parts of the ohio economy. >> we're starting to open up a little bit. not fast enough, obviously, for a lot of people but we're trying to do this in a reasonable way. >> reporter: dewine, a republican, was the first governor in the country to close schools. sounding a serious alarm about the threat of coronavirus well before the white house. but now a stay at home order is expiring across the nation, his slow and measured approach is testing ohio's patience. that became clear here this week. as he encountered sharp criticism for ordering all citizens to wear masks in public, as he does. >> it was quite candidly pretty much an explosion. people felt affronted by that. >> reporter: within a day, he pulled back. deciding to only require store employees to wear masks but leaving the decision for the

broader public to shop owners. he holds up his own mask as an example for what he hopes the people of ohio will do voluntarily. >> it doesn't have to be as pretty as this. my wife fran made this. but something to cover your mouth and nose. >> reporter: the reopening plan started may 1st with hospitals allowing procedures not requiring an overnight stay followed by construction and manufacturing. followed by retail and customer service shops. other services like barbershops, restaurants, and gyms are not on the immediate horizon. >> and, you know, i take full responsibility for the decision. >> reporter: with 1 million people across ohio seeking unemployment, dewine faces extraordinary pressure to reopen his economy. his cautious approach is suddenly facing a new test. >> i'm not going to question his initial actions, but the continued action and not opening up are what is bothering a lot

of people. >> reporter: lisa knapp helped organize open ohio. one of the groups protesting that believes the governor is crippling the economy and needlessly taking away civil liberties. >> small businesses will lose everything, if they haven't already. so many people are going to be out of jobs. >> reporter: the question is ohio's tolerance for a third straight month of dewine's strict approach. inside the grill, she isn't demanding to open her doors tonight but deserves to know when it could happen. >> we need clarity as to when we can reopen and a potential timeline. that will help us plan appropriately for the future. >> reporter: there has been no word on when restaurants can begin the process of planning to reopen, but governor dewine also made one other change after first saying that retailers would not be able to be open until the 12th of may, on friday he said if you make an appointment with one of those retailers, you can go in

earlier. so a sense here of the pressure on governor dewine. one interesting thing about ohio, of course, he has a republican legislature but some republicans in the state house and senate saying he's not going far enough. we are seeing, you know, the politics, of course, play into the health crisis of this. we are seeing a messy patchwork across the country of what is open and what is closed. but certainly governor dewine is taking a slow, measured approach. he said it will save lives. >> all right. jeff zeleny, thank you so much in washington. hard to believe, but with just six months until the presidential election, joe biden is pushing to gain traction in the midst of a pandemic. how allegations of sexual assault are just one of the problems he's facing.

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we are just six months away from the 2020 presidential election, and joe biden, the presumptive democratic nominee is challenged with both addressesing a global pandemic and a sexual assault allegation which he categorically denies. cnn arlette signs joins me now. won the primary, but what else can be expected from his campaign over the next couple months? >> reporter: fred, we are at that sixth month mark until election day which will bed biggest test of joe biden's candidacy thus far, and right now his campaign is grappling with those allegations of sexual assault from a former senate staffer hoping they won't clouded coming months of the campaign, but they are also organizing and bracing for what has quickly become a virtual campaign. the coronavirus pandemic has given biden the opportunity to present a contrast between himself and the president's

handling of a global health crisis like this, but it's also forced the campaign to adapt to this virtual world. biden, like all of us, has been at home the past seven weeks holding virtual events from a basement studio in his delaware home. field organizers turned the to digital organizers reaching out to supporters, volunteers via phone, texting. the traditional door-knocking replaced with check-in calls to see how people are coping with the coronavirus pandemic. as the campaign is gearing up for hirings, looking towards that general election fight and critical battleground states come this fall, they're also starting, some aides are talking about what campaigning could look like for joe biden in the comes months. could he potentially hold smaller-scale events? so many questions dependent upon coronavirus and how that is playing out in all of these

states, but right now the campaign is certainly grappling with this unprecedented time with the coronavirus pandemic really changing the way campaigning is done as we know it. fred. >> thank you so much. coming up, the white house says it is hitting the pause button on aid as millions of americans struggle with the economic effects of the coronavirus. what does that mean for you? and the state's hardest hit by the outbreak, next. at t-mobile, taxes and fees are included. and right now, when you switch your family, get four lines of unlimited for just $35 dollars a line and taxes and fees included. so what you see is what you pay every month. check it out at out t-mobile.com/4for35

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hello again everyone. thank you so much for joining me this sunday, i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin with the white house pushing the pause button on aid as millions of americans struggle with the economic downturn caused by the coronavirus. this morning the administration announced that more than half the money set aside for the second paycheck protection program has already been given out. more than $175 billion. according to president trump's national chief economic adviser, it could be a while before any more aid can be given out. >> there's kind of a pause period right now. up know, we've put up $3 trillion of direct federal budget assistance in one way or another. the federal reserve has actually put inasmuch as $4 trillion to $6 trillion. it's a huge, huge package. let's see how it's doing as we gradually reopen the economy. >> new york governor