most precious thing they had. jay-natalie desantesan santo wa five months old. >> so much bad news, anderson, i need some good news. how is the little one? how was your weekend? >> it was great. i spent the whole weekend just looking at him and burping him and feeding him. it was great. it's like this amphibious tree frog lying on my chest. >> you will come up with better metaphors than tree frog, but you're new at this. i lover watching you laugh and smile. there will be nothing else like it in your life. i love you. congratulations again. it's good news. i have to mooch off it.

i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." we're back in new york doing the show with dr. anthony fauci. who better to ask about these new projections? does he buy this do? does he have a better picture of our future until june? reopening is going to cost us cases, it's going to cost us death. the real question for you is, are you okay with it? are you okay with paying the cost? this isn't about facts, it's about how you feel about what you know to be the facts. science isn't going to decide these moves, politics will. here's the proposition. will we choose to stay together and stay at home until the virus has beaten back to safer levels, or is this new reopening our merging reality? will it really become everyone for themselves? what do you say? let's get after it.

be clear, it's not about the media causing madness and excitement and concerns about what will happen. the news is being driven by government research, a key model often cited by the white house now projects 134,000 deaths by early august, nearly double the previous prediction of more than 72,000. another model, reportedly from the trump administration itself, projects a steep rise in coronavirus deaths and cases in the weeks ahead, just as many places are reopening again even though not one of them has met the cdc guidelines for doing so. now, the numbers may confuse you, but this will bring it home. the model equates to us having the number of deaths we had on 9/11 every single day in this country. again, you can argue about the numbers and the assumptions behind them, but there is no

arguing, unless you're on state tv, that reopening will mean more cases and more death. you don't need a famous doctor to tell you that. but we do need dr. anthony fauci to kind of keep us straight about where our efforts should be right now. doctor, welcome back to "prime time." >> good to be with you, chris. >> you didn't do the models. you're not about the modeling on this, but these numbers are making people nervous. not nervous enough to not reopen, by the way, which is an important point. what is your perspective on them? >> yeah. well, models that change numbers like this, chris, often confuse people. but the fundamental core principle behind it doesn't change, and that's something we've been saying all along. when you have a lot of virus activity and you know that you're able to contain it to a certain degree by the mitigation, the physical separations, the kinds of things that we've been talking about,

gateway phase 1, phase 2, phase 3, and you start to leap-frog over some of these, you're inviting rebound. and rebound is going to give you spikes and spikes are going to give you the kinds of numbers. i don't know if those numbers, because i have skepticism about models, about they're only as good as the assumptions you put into them, but they're not completely misleading. they're telling you something that's a reality, that when you have mitigation that's containing something, and unless it's down in the right direction, and you pull back prematurely, you're going to get a rebound of cases. and that's something i've been talking about in multiple interviews multiple times. it is tempting rebound when you do something prematurely. >> and everybody sees you as the person who wants us to stay the course and keep with the social distancing, and let's get the science right. but they don't also understand that tony fauci knows what economic hard times are about, how your family came up, what

life was like for you coming up. you know that people are in need right now. you know money is short for them. how do you balance those interests in your own heart and head, that you know people are strapped by this, that they're worried about their families losing whatever dreams they have? how do you balance? >> chris, i'm not at all insensitive, in fact, i'm very sensitive to the potential downsides of the kind of economic crises that we're having, the suffering of the people who are not working. that's something that you would have to be so callous not to really feel the pain that people are feeling. but what i do know is a scientist, a physician and a public health official that unless you turn this around in the right direction and try because of your desire, and understandable desire, to get back to some form of knoll norm if the situation is right to do that, if you start to see things coming down and you start to

pull back gradually, and when you do get blips you essentially put the lid on them, there is nothing wrong about doing so carefully. what -- despite the economic concerns you might have, if you pull back and do this, it's only going to do that. it's not going to turn around. there is a balance. you have to look at both sides of it. the united states is a big country, chris, and i think what sometimes confuses people is when you talk about pulling back under certain circumstances, there are regions, areas, counties, cities in which you can do that safely now. but there are others that if you do that, it's really dangerous, and that's the thing you've got to be careful of. >> you are losing this argument, doctor. not to me. >> sure.

>> people are fatigued. some of it is need, that's legitimate. maybe you're the wrong guest. the government should be doing things to help american families, that's not your wheelhouse. but there is fatigue. they want out. you saw the pictures in new york city this weekend. when i went out to shop this weekend, everybody was out there. a lot of people had masks, and there was some non-mask shaming where i was, but not in the parks. the people have had it. the seasons are changing. it feels like summer. it's been long enough. how do you combat people's willingness to accept more cases, to accept even more death? >> well, you know, it's the balance of something that's a very difficult choice, like how many deaths and how much suffering are you willing to accept to get back to what you want to be, some form of normality, sooner rather than later? it's something that people feel very differently about it. myself coming from the vantage point that i come from and

seeing the danger in it, i have to. i feel i have a moral obligation to give the kind of information that i'm giving. people are going to make their own choices. i cannot, nor anybody, force people under every circumstance to do what you think is best. the only thing i can do, chris, is to give the information based on evidence and based on experience, and that's what i've been doing right from the very beginning, and there are people that are going to be disagreeing with me, some of them rather violently in many respects, you know, telling me that i'm crazy, fire fauci, do this, do that. that's part of the game. i'm just going to keep giving you the information that i feel is necessary to make the decisions that i think are prudent decisions. >> people who think they're going to shake you up with their mouths don't know you very well. >> no. z >> the idea that it happened this fast, are you surprised that after the country really did seem to get it, we have to stay home, i don't want to do it

but it's working, that it snapped back this fast? >> no, i'm not surprised. and the reason i'm not surprised, chris, is the one thing this virus has that's so different than any of the viruses we have experience with, it has a phenomenal capability and efficiency for spreading from person to person. this is not a trivial issue. this virus has enormous capabilities of spreading like wildfire. we know that. we've seen it in general, and we've seen it in confined situations. the teddy roosevelt aircraft carrier with the explosion of cases, many of them asymptomatic. the diamond princess when you have people together. this is a virus that spreads as easily as any virus that i've ever known, apart maybe from measles. measles is probably the only one that doesn't do it as well as this. >> and look, you know, you were at the vanguard of the efforts against aids. you know what it's like to have a viral spread and have a way to treat it and control it. so you're not new to this.

the reserve you have here and the concern you have should be heeded, but it's not, because people want to get back, and we'll just have to watch what the price is. and unfortunately, even though you're not pushing the reopening, you will have to deal with the consequences of it. what i will not spend time doing tonight, dr. fauci, is ask you about testifying or not testifying or questions about the messaging. i don't know why anyone who wants you in position spends their too many coming at you with political questions. you're not a politician, in fact, in my experience, which i guess is about 35 years, you're a lousy politician, you don't make those decisions, you don't want to make those decisions. you testify where they tell you and you won't if they don't because that's your job. i want to tell you something else. why do i know what tony fauci thinks? i've known you all my life, but i've never known you as well as i do since this pandemic.

we have spoken every single day, and you have been calling me out of personal concern to make sure i was okay, my wife was okay, my son was okay. 11:00 later, waiting for my show to end, saturday, sunday morning, the rare time you have with your family. why? >> first of all, because you're a friend. we have a professional relationship, but you're a friend. i've known you, i hate to say it, since you were almost a kid. and the fact is you were going through some difficult times. i don't think that the people who were seeing you on the show were really experiencing or realizing how you were really sucking it up to look relatively normal. but when you finished the show and we would start chatting at 11:00, 11:30 at night, you were wiped out. you not only had the acute difficulty with a virus that was replicating in you, but you had some of the secondary effects, the fever, the aches, the feeling washed out.

and even when you were viral negative, i was concerned, because you're uncomfortable. people look at you, you look pre pretty good right now, but boy, you put on a great act in front of the tv because you were really wiped out badly. if i was worried about you there for a while because we know, i didn't want to scare you, i gave you the truth, that there is a period of time in some individuals where you look like you're recovering and then all of a sudden things go really bad. the reason why that happens, as you and i have discussed over the phone at night, is we're not even sure. we don't even have a full grasp of the pathogenesis of why some people do what you did. you felt bad, you felt bad, then you started getting better and better. some people, they feel good, they feel bad, they feel bad, and then they start to feel better, and then boom, they go downhill. we need to figure out what that is, because when we do, it will help us to intervene to do something about it. i cared about you --

>> go ahead. >> no, i was saying i cared about you, but i was worried about you. that's one of the reasons i kept calling. >> i appreciate you being gentle with me about it, but i just want you to know how much i appreciate it, not just from tony the guy, but as a member of the administration. i know the administration wanted to make sure i was okay. i appreciate it, i really do. i won't forget it. i always try to be fair, but that's something that just doesn't go away. you know people care about you personally, your wife and your kid, it resonates. thank you for taking care of me the way you do, and thank you for giving me all the information that you did. the only reason i'm sharing it on tv and saying it like i have many times in person, i want people to know what they're getting in tony fauci. it's not just tv, it's not just 30 years of excellence in the scientific field. the head and the heart that comes together in your body is the real deal, dr. fauci, and that's why people believe in you. it's not the science, the numbers are all over the place, nobody knows what the hell

they're talking about with this virus or what's going to happen. but they know where you're coming from is a point of concern and humanity. i know it firsthand and i want my audience to know that. it's always about how you personally feel with me and my family. whatever happens, we just have to try to keep ourselves together. >> thank you very much, chris. great being with you, my friend. >> dr. fauci, the pleasure and the privilege is mine. have a good night. i'll talk to you later. all right. i wanted you to know that. i'm kind of tired of the whole personal sharing thing, to be honest with you. but i've never had tony fauci do what he did with me. he has a lot on his plate, but he took time, and the administration knew, and i wanted you to know. thank you. this is one of the nights we d have our leader watching. i appreciate what you did for me and my family.

one of the biggest shifts in one of the states where the governor has been facing protests and rebellion for all the closing now, we're seeing a shift. businesses are suddenly set to reopen legally this week in california. what does that mean for l.a.'s mayor? he's already warned crowds may not come back to concerts, sporting events, but what does he do now? how does he deal with what we were just talking to tony fauci about, needs and wants? the mayor, next. with advil, you have power over pain, so the whole world looks different. the unbeatable strength of advil. what pain?

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. everybody is feeling the pressure. we knew this was going to happen. as states reopen, pressure on governors are going to grow. california's governor took the step to reopen businesses although the state has not seen

the 14-day decline in coronavirus cases. that's the cdc standard, and it's not that difficult if you look at other countries. florists, bookstores, they're all going to do curbside pickup. without that two-week decline, you know what the concern is, especially if you're the mayor of a place like los angeles. the city's stay-at-home order will not be entirely lifted in the days ahead, but there may be some easing of restrictions. how do you balance doing what's right when you know that so much of that will be wrong? mayor eric garcetti joins me now. thank you. i know this is a crazy day for you. i appreciate you carving out the time for us, mr. mayor. >> great to see you back in the studio. welcome home. >> it is great to have the city behind me. mr. mayor, how do you deal with this, because i know you're getting calls. hey, we're going to die here. the businesses aren't going to reopen, this is going to take us years. money is tight. you're very responsive to those

calls, ordinarily, let alone now. how do you balance what's right with what it feels like the people want? >> it's exciting. we're all really hungry to see those steps happen, but you have to make sure we're not just hungry but we're smart. here in los angeles, we were lucky. we adopted swift measures, we've got testing for everybody, not just symptomatic people. all of that could go away especially when 60% of us have not gotten coronavirus. our order goes until may 15th. the governor who i support did a great job today. he did not say the city will open, he said it can happen. not as big as los angeles county, 9,000 people, may have an easier time than we will

where we have to be careful. we've had construction trades working throughout this, and we inspect them, we make sure they have ppe, and we haven't seen outbreaks among our construction crews. that's really important. so i believe that we can, but people have to remember, this isn't about mayors and governors, this is about their own discipline of knowing we're not moving beyond covid-19, we're just starting to learn how to live with it. >> i remember that. and i remember when the governor was contemplating what to do, and to be fair to the governor, unlike other governors, he's given enforcement latitude to mayors, especially in a big city like l.a., and that's helpful because he can't know the city like you know it. but that was a ballsy move, letting the construction stay open. that was controversial. it's paid off. do you believe that building construction is unique in terms of people being outside and it's an industry that is very

adherent to code as it is, or do you think it's been helpful? >> i think it's been helpful. we have seen retail in the form of grocery stores stay open. a lot of protections, and maybe we need to add more. retail, i think, has shown it can work. manufacturing out here, we have a huge apparell industry. they've spaced things out, so i think manufacturing can, too. absolutely, some of the outdoor things whether it's recreational spaces or things like construction, you just have to be thoughtful. you can't give in to political pressure where people are saying, do this because i'm getting antsy. listen to the doctors. don't make it as a politician but do it as a professional, and i do think there will be good steps forward. one last thing, acknowledge you're going to make missteps, but learn from them and correct them quickly.

if you have the right measures out there, you can tell people, we have a yellow zone where we can move forward, but we might have to go to orange and hold or red and step backwards, because we know this virus will do things regardless of how we act. we'll see some spikes probably in the fall, for sure in the winter, and we have to be ready. >> i've said this before. i don't envy being in public service right now in a leadership position like you are. i know you guys are getting some shine, and frankly, you deserve it, mr. mayor. i know people have been responding optimistically, but here's the reality of politics. it's almost -- i don't want to say anything that jinxes anybody's health, but it is almost impossible not to have more cases and more bad outcomes as a reflection of reopening with where we are right now. tony fauci could tell you that, but you know it as well. they're going to blame you when bad things happen. and that's going to be a tough time because if you have what is being anticipated, more cases, more hospitalizations, more

stress on the system, and then you have a bump in the fall, are you having nightmares about what it could look like for your city? >> no question. i mean, people like black and white, right? look at our politics. people don't like nuance, people don't like difficult answers, they just want things to be clear one way or the other. but our black and white lap which has shut down the economy until we all strangle ourselves to death, our livelihoods. white, throw down everything and watch people die? that's uncomfortable, too. so we all have to feel comfortable living in that gray space. you're right, i worry about everything that can happen in this city. it's not just about a mayor, it's about 10 million in this county, 19 million in our metro area. if we have the discipline, leaders are all around us. they're next door, they're in the room with you, they're down the street, they're in your workplace, and we all have to help each other lead or else we

all bear the brunt of what happens. but if we do it right, how often do you get to save thousands or even millions of lives. we'll look back at this chapter and say it wasn't perfect, every disaster is messy, but america finally found its soul. we rose to the moment and we did what's right, we did it for each other. we didn't expect government to do it on its own, we expect a lot from government, but we also saved the day. >> this is never going to be just about government but acutely so. you've had to figure out how to do it for yourselves, and the american people had to figure out how to do it themselves. no savior was going to come in and swoop you up. what's your working understanding of how much more flow your capacity system can take? >> we're good right now. we're holding strong. we have, you know, over a thousand ventilators right now, a thousand-plus hospital beds, over 230 icu beds. and we have the capacity of surge even more. but that's the number that every citizen should be asking their mayor and their governor.

what's the hospital capacity? not just the number of cases. what are the hospital admissions and what's the capacity? because we should be shutting things down quickly when it's reaching capacity or getting towards it, and we should open it up when capacity opens it up. to me it's the most important measure we have. >> you know pandora's box -- i have one more question but then i have to let you go because time is tight. pandora's box is a reality. people don't want to go back and that's true as well. people migrate from all over the country to california because of the weather and other places on the west coast. how much strain are you under in servicing that population right now, and what will this move mean for you? >> there's certainly always strain, but as i said, we had the public health emergency before covid-19 arrived in a lot of american cities, and it's called homelessness. i called two years ago for a fema-level response, and finally

fema, to their credit, is allowing us to put the homeless in hotels and shelters before they're even hit with the disaster. this was before covid-19. i'm pretty jazzed about this moment. it's not just a lifetime opportunity to get thousands off the streets, and hopefully thousands more, but shame on us all collectively, federal, state and local, if we let them hit the streets after this. we're spending a lot of time figuring out -- let's make sure that they're not on the streets. you're twice as like toly to dif you're on the streets rather than if you're housed. we've reduced 90% the homeless veterans here in l.a. we can do it for homeless, too, and that just shows the soul of what we are. >> i know a lot of people listening to you are going, veterans homeless? yeah, a large part of the population are veterans who don't have the home they need.

may mayor eric garcetti, you see the homeless as people who need help. you always have the platform to talk blt neabout the need, spec counsel -- especially where the homeless are. thank you for being on. >> thank you. one of the biggest lessons we've been aware of on this show is this virus has been outside china and around this world a lot longer than they were telling us. remember, january, end of january, first case. now they got one in december outside china. and guess what? this person says they never went to china. so where did they get it? what we're learning about how long this has been happening. chief dr. sanjay gupta, next.

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have you heard this yet? a hospital in paris has a story to tell. this is what they've been doing, and you're going to see a lot of this in this country. they started to backtrack. they went back to old samples of patients who came in before the pandemic with flu-like symptoms that they couldn't figure out, and it wasn't the flu. in december. and remember what i said weeks this, we're going to keep going back. doctors there said they found evidence of one man who hadn't even been to china tested positive. in december. that's a month before france even reported its first cases. dr. sanjay gupta has been ahead on this cause for concern for many weeks. we don't know, but the suspicions have been there and

they are growing. first, in france, sanjay, where did the guy get it if he never went to china? what's their best guess at this point? >> yeah, he most likely got it from the community, which raises a whole other level of concern. if you remember, chris, end of january, the first patient diagnosed. end of february, a month later, is when they say they have evidence of community transmission, that this is now spreading within the community, not just from people who had known exposure to somebody. so if he got this in december with no known specific contact -- he's a fishmonger, so maybe he got it from an animal market, maybe there was somebody else who had flown in from china and he got it from that person. we don't know. it's just like you said, chris, it's quite a stunning finding but not that surprising at the same time. i mean, i don't think we ever sort of thought, the scientific community never thought we definitely found the first patient, we definitely found the first patient zero, so to speak.

but in china we were saying the first patients were diagnosed in december. this guy was diagnosed in december, possibly getting it from the community does mean, just as you said in the past, chris, as well, that if it was community transmission in december, that means it must have arrived at some point earlier than that. how far back are we going? we don't know. but you go back and start examining the tissue, the blood, whatever, from people who came in the hospital at that point, at some point you're going to start to say, well, maybe this started a lot earlier than we realized. >> so now the question becomes, well, why? and what does that mean? does it mean china had it and wasn't telling us? does it mean maybe it was somewhere else, but then that's disruptive of the whole theory of the case about it originating in wuhan? what is the most likely scenario, that they had it longer? >> i think that the most likely scenario is still that it was circulating in china earlier

than they realized. global travel is robust. we travel twice as much internationally now as compared to ten years ago. i mean, you can circumstannavig the globe before you even know what's happening with a particular virus. but chris, you said this a while ago, that it probably had been circulating longer than we realize. they had demonstrated these clusters of unusual pneumonias in late november, early december in china, and then it was sometime after that that they said this is a novel coronavirus, something we haven't seen in human beings before. but were there other clusters that just got missed? were there other patients who doctors there or around the world said, it's flu. we don't have to bother diagnosing it, this is acting like flu. and most of those patients did recover so they really didn't dig too deep into it. now that they have this novel coronavirus, some places, and not just in france, we heard about this in california as well where they heard a patient

actually died from this on february 6, much earlier than we thought, in many places around the world they're going to start doing this. my guess is, chris, places that have large international airports, the hospitals that service those areas are now going to start going back and looking at their patients from december, maybe even earlier, and saying, hey, was coronavirus already here? >> look, just to be clear, the reason i had this curiosity, one, is i believe it will turn out to be accurate from an anecdote, and the longer this thing has been here, the better chance we'll have resistant people who had antibodies and didn't even know it. if anything is fueling my curiosity, it's hope that we're going to get a little bit of good luck here, that this has been around before it became so assaultive. then you get to the projections. i was a really slow on this story about the projections. one, i think there is too much wiggle room for the white house and the government to get away from owning these numbers.

obviously the death toll had to pop, but no matter what the number is, sanjay, there is no reason to debate it. you reopen, you're going to have more deaths and more cases, period. there is no other outcome. >> absolutely. no matter when this happens, there will be people getting infected, some hospitalized who otherwise wouldn't, and some will die who otherwise wouldn't. i think there is a question, like your previous guest, dr. fauci said, what can we tolerate? there is a couple things, though. one is if you look at the models that a lot have been put forth, i think in many ways they were the lower end of the projections. i mean, i was surprised, i think you were as well, when the ihme model became sort of the predominant model. not that they're not good modeler

modelers, but columbia had a model. that's the nature of models, i guess, to have a huge variation. but up until yesterday, they weren't even factoring in, chris, the impact of reopening these states. >> right. >> now you're starting to see some of that impact, and the numbers jumped just like you said. that's to be expected. >> right. well, we took away the only thing that was keeping the numbers down. you don't have a cure, you don't have herd immunity. so the only thing you had was keeping the spread down by keeping contact down, and if you take that away, what do you think the models are going to do? they're going to pop. i feel for tony fauci on this, because this is going to wind up rebounding to the administration. you have a pop in cases, it will go to the system. we don't have the ppe we need, we don't have the contact tracing that we need. that's the biggest part of the mass delusion to me, sanjay, not that things will be okay. okay is subjective.

if you want it to be okay, it's okay. you're not going to know the truth, because while these states are growing, testing and tracing, none is nowhere near able to monitor half their population, let alone all of it. >> that's absolutely right. and the thing that's really struck me is that, you know, the physical distancing measures have had an impact. i mean, we've done something in this country, and really, in many places around the world which i think a lot of people would have been shocked if you told them six months ago this is what the world is going to look like. it's had an impact. but what i think it's brought things down to, chris, is sort of a slower burn. there is still a lot of cases that are happening every day. a lot of people who are dying, sadly, every day, and we haven't really seen the back end of this curve yet. i think this is what the data is telling us, that physical distancing will plateau us. it's not going to be a way out so we have to maintain this for a period of time until there is an actual way out, which is either going to be a vaccine, which everyone talks about, a

really effective therapeutic, or a way to test so robustly that you can immediately find these patients who have the infection and isolate them. and we're not in a position to do those things yet. so for the time being, and i think this is what dr. fauci is saying in a very dr. fauci way, is that we have to continue physical distancing. i've given you the guidelines. i've made them easy to read, really spelled it out for people, governors and states all across america. if you're not doing it at this point, you must realize what's going to happen. we've seen it around the world, we've seen it here in the united states, and it doesn't just grow linearly once it starts to grow. it grows like this slowly and then exponential. that's what exponential growth is, and nobody wants that. nobody wants it, no matter how much you want the economy to be reopened, nobody wants that. finally, chris, you showed those images at central park today. people take risks all the time, right? but the difference here is you're not the one taking the risk. you're taking the risk for you,

but you are possibly going to spread this to other people. that's what's different about this. this isn't just about, i'm going to eat cheeseburgers and maybe i'll get heart disease, maybe i won't. you could spread this virus to other people. this isn't a normal kind of risk. we have to evaluate risk differently here because it's not just about any individual. i think most people realize that and most people have done a really good job. but we have to stay the course right now and we'll get through this. >> they have to realize it right now, when they want to make that decision to go do something, they have to remember what they're doing to everybody else. let me just say quickly, sanjay, my gratitude tour. i wouldn't be here as soon as i have if i didn't have your guidance, your love and support. i've seen do you amazing things. i've never seen you do coverage better than you have with this story. what you've done for me personally i'll never forget. you will stand out in my mind

for three reasons. one, how you cared for me. two, i've never seen someone your size carry me on your back with the legs that you have. and three, you used the word fishmonger which i've never heard anyone use outside of shakespea shakespeare, but the first one is what matters most. thank you for taking care of my family. >> it was nice words between you and dr. fauci today also. i'm glad you're feeling better. you're the real deal. >> dr. sanjay, thank you very much. we all know that rushing to reopen is risky. this really hard question, maybe the hardest one i've ever seen us take on, is the risk worth it? the answer seems to be yes, but i don't think we're really seeing it for what it is and what it may cost us and why we're doing it. this is tough, and we're not treating it that way, but we should, so let's give it a try,

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hindsight will surely be 20/20 after this. life will loom large about covid-19, about communities across the country and the world. personally the lesson for me is obvious. my lesson is gratitude. it's my first day back in the office in more than a month. so many of you were so good to me, both in my family and to my family. i'll just say thank you. i will spend my time in this capacity trying to justify the faith that so many of you have put in me. but while my own covid battle is mostly over, i'm worried that so many seem to think it's mostly over for all of us, and that is just dead wrong. facts, case numbers climbing pretty much everywhere. 68,000-plus deaths now. two weeks ago the president said we would have 60,000 deaths,

period. now his administration is reportedly privately projecting there are going to be 9/11-like death tolls on a daily basis by and yet they want to push reopening? now, look, nobody has accused this president of being fact focused or each read in on any of this, but you don't need him to mislead you. in fact, don't put this on trump. we are deceiving ourselves. you know the virus is spreading in too many places. this shows, it exposs the reality. you know testing and tracing capabilities are nowhere near what we need to get to the truths to take the risks we're ready to take. so why are we doing it? this is the hard part of the argument. because the agony of this is legitimate angst. we can't just say it's too soon. why? because it's almost too late for too many suffering real economic pain.

30 million unemployed. who knows if they'll be able to find jobs again. it took us a decade to rebuild fewer jobs than that, literally, like, 10 million fewer after 2008. yes, different circumstances, but the desperation here is different, too. we're talking food lines, not 401(k)s, dreams dying not just deferred. even if you don't have covid, this situation is making us sick. mental health is gonna open eyes as never before, and that will be a good thing, but it's coming at a bad price. those are the facts, but there is also feel, fatigue. i've had it. seasons changing. it's getting warm. want to get back to it. look at these fools, fools. i know they want to be out there. fools. it's not about you. what about the other people? and, look, i'm not gonna cast gate you, that's not my job. i'm not your daddy, but we have to think about this. we are rushing to get back out of want not just out of need. all right? beautiful weather does not make

for a beautiful reality. yes, we're tired of bad news. yes, the government is not doing things it should be. and there's no question that this is all real. and so are the numbers. the relaxing of stay-at-home orders doesn't mean covid isn't a problem anymore, in fact, the opposite is the truth. i know i said that all right. i'm going to repeat a lot of things because it's not getting through. things will get worse. i don't care how you reopen. so if you're going to go against the science, well, what is better? what is better than this reality. this is something i've been asking myself and i hope you do as well. what are we rushing back to? politicians are making this decision, not scientists. fauci's not in charge. don't ask him political questions. it's not his job. the politicians are doing this because of you. politicians act out of fear of consequence much more often than they do out of good conscience, okay? so that's what's going to happen now.

we know we can't do nothing forever, but think about what you are so anxious to get back to in terms of normal and what you're willing to lose that we've gained in this pandemic. okay? think about it. be careful what you wish for. the time with family. the time together. the together leading more simply. the time thinking about where to go and where not. those pictures of what we see in venice of clearer water and clearer skies that they're showing us all over the world. i know we can't do nothing forever. but we can think about how to be together better. i'm just asking you to do this. i know what you wish for. i wish for the same. but, remember, we may be headed back to a time that we think we remember as better, but we may live to regret. that is my argument and i hope you give it a listen. all right? now when i come back, i want to talk to you about what is at

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double dose of ameri-cans for you tonight. first up, college students amy and reen. they came up with a service called give essential. essential workers list what they need. they get paired with donors who can send the items free of charge. you want to get involved? of course you do. giveessential.org. e-s-s-e-n-t-i-a-n, okay?

giveessential.org. second, remember lauren, the icu nurse we had on from arizona? remember what she did? she didn't make a big stink. she didn't say anything. but she just stood there in her mask in front of the protesters and they let her have it in phoenix last month. she saw our interview with navajo nation president jonathan nez, remember, that's the third biggest concentration of cases in this country, is the reservation. there's the president himself. he told us how the federal government wasn't appropriately meeting its responsibilities on aid, okay? even the virus is going to be something that now they're gonna have to live with with the insult to our humanity that those reservations have become. lauren set up a gofundme to help have owe nations and the hospital workers. i'm going to tweet out the link. the donations will be given to nez who is overseeing the funds.

she's saving lives working 12-hour shifts as an icu nurse. ameri-can. "cnn tonight" starts with d. lemon right now. trying to bite my outfit. >> you didn't even let me get to it. can you stop it? you are so competitive. >> i am. i just want to be better than you. >> let me tell you, that font is awfully small on the teleprompter. can you guys fix that? now i'm something myself in the teleprompter. >> it does look better on you. >> now, here's the thing -- these are coke bottles. i need them now. okay, so here's the thing. so i saw you were back and i said, an owed de to chris i'm g to do black and white tonight. so i go in the old closet and i look for my black neck tie. >> here it is. >> and the black neck tie is not in my closet. >> how's it look? >> so where's my black neck tie? >> it's around my neck. >> i knew i