hey, everybody. i am e-chris cuo i am chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. the president will now be tested for covid-19 every single day after news one of his valets has tested positive for the virus. cnn broke the story that he is said to be mad as hell that he is not being protected well enough from the virus. mr. president, you are right. and, more importantly, i hope, now, you know how so many of the rest of us feel. they want to be tested, too. not every day, like you're going to get, but enough to feel safe. just like you want. and just like you, it really makes them mad to think that they're not being protected, either. we have noeanother reality chec for you tonight. breaking news in the case of a young, unarmed, black man, shot and killed while jogging in georgia. the last part is the most important part. the way this case was handled

stinks. and the officials who were handling it won't come on. never a good sign. and, once again, but for a video, would there have been any attempt at justice? we have the tape and ahma ahmaud arbery's sister with a shocking tale of inaction. the pandemic is showing our ability to come together. there are many causes in this country that we must take on the same way. so what do you say? let's get after it. all right. another piece of proof in the case that this president wants to reopen faster than facts and experts would allow. a senior cdc official says it was clear that the white house wasn't going to implement their 17-page draft of recommendations for a safe reopening. and trump doesn't have the defense of not getting how risky this is. he -- we know he gets it. why? because cnn broke this story of

how he reacted to news that someone near him texted positive for the virus. white house correspondent kaitlan collins was the first to report that part of the story. good for you. good for the audience. what do you know? >> well, it seems like it's going to be changing at least one aspect of the president's life and that is that he is now going to be tested daily instead of weekly. it was happening about every six days for the president, vice president, and their senior staff. but, chris, this person was incredibly close to the president. these valet not only handle the food and beverage service for the president and first family. and they travel with them when they are going domestically or abroad. but, also, they handle a variety of other personal tasks. so they're incredibly close. they are often in the oval office, definitely in the west wing, and of course also in the white house residence. so it's someone who is around the president a lot of the time, and that is why it raised so many questions today in the west wing, now that they learned someone so close to the

president had had tested positive for coronavirus. and we were told even the president was upset when he found out about it and had to be tested again. though, we should note the white house said both he and the vice president have tested negative since that story broke. >> thank god. we need him healthy. we need him, and the whole team, at their best. but my understanding is, his anger wasn't so much at the valet. but it's, hey, we got to do everything we can. you got to make sure these people are tested. you got to make sure that we know who's around me. otherwise, i'm vulnerable. is that right? >> well, that's the concern that those around the president have. they don't want the president getting sick. that's why they started testing people. they've continued to do that. but it really just shows you how important testing is because this person was exhibiting symptoms we're told on white house grounds. they were tested and of course now they're going to go through and see who this person interacted with. other valets, staffers, the president himself. that just show yous not just in

the west wing how important that is going to be throughout the country to be able to identify someone who has it, and isolate them and figure out who they were around. >> boy, i tell you, what a shocking irony. that, exactly what they're asking for in the white house, is what they're denying the rest of the country. and they're dealing with it exactly right in the white house. they should test the president as often as they can. a test is only as good as the day it's taken on. and then they're doing tracing. they are looking at everybody around this valet and see how they're doing. that's exactly what we need to do in different places of the country that require the same. kaitlan collins, thank you for bringing us the story. appreciate it. all right. new tonight. california's governor gavin newsom says they have identified where their first case of community spread started. nail salon. place where workers regularly wear gloves and masks wasn't enough. so the governor is taking a more cautious approach. waiting to open those salons in later phases.

now, it's very different than we're seeing in other states that have already opened up close-contact businesses, like nail salons. and, now, new hotspots are emerging. nearly every state will have loosened restrictions, in some way, by the weekend. but, remember, none has met the cdc guidelines to reopen. and, most of those states have case loads that are growing. the obvious question is what will our future hold? cnn's nick watt is watching from coast to coast. >> reporter: in three forks, montana, this morning, kids walked back into school with tweaks. >> we have six-foot distance marks on the playground so they can play at recess and stay six feet away from each other. >> montana hasn't suffered as much as most. meanwhile, with lady liberty looking on, bodies now being

frozen in trucks, in new york city, our epicenter, waiting for overwhelmed funeral directors to catch up. >> if you're going through hell, keep going. and that's what we're doing. we're going through hell, but what we are a doing is working so we are going to keep going. >> going slow on reopening even though new york's new case counts are falling. daily new case counts continue to climb in 19 states. still, every one of them among the 44 that will begin to reopen much by this weekend. in texas cases climbing but haircuts/manicures are a go as of tomorrow morning. the state supreme court just ordered the release of a salon owner, jailed for operating under lockdown. in oregon, the trailblazers' practice facility will also open tomorrow. that's okay, says the nba. up to four players can train solo, at any one time, as long as local restrictions are followed. and there are, now, different detailed directions in different

places. >> restaurants, outside only. you are 90% more likely to get infected inside than outside. >> more than 33 million americans have now lost their jobs during the pandemic. depression-era numbers. others have worked on, and paid a price. tina, a meatpacking worker in colorado, couldn't afford to quit. now, she's infected. and fighting for her life. three of the country's biggest pork-processing plants partially reopening today, after outbreaks union and management working on how to workers safe. >> i really don't think the economy kicks into any kind of gear until we get a vaccine or some kind of therapy that everybody feels comfortable about. and, even then, it's going to take several years to get those jobs back. >> the fda did just aprprove another potential vaccine moving into phase-two testing. more than 100 now in various stages of development. but you can only rush so much. needs to be safe. needs to work. >> i do really think we're

talking about getting through to the end of the year, and into early next year before we have a definitive answer. >> nick watt, cnn, los angeles. >> look. that just gives you the general sense of what should be obvious now. for you and me, trump says testing. i think it's overrated. but, for him, one case in his orbit, and he gets textsted eve day. you see what's going on here now? let's bring in a former top health official, to show us the best way forward. next. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, ...little things... ...can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop.

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everyone who wants a test will be able to get a test, said this president. it's not even close to true in areas with any kind of case density. he knows testing is being looked to as the main method of contagion. so as somebody who wants to deny the virus's reach is to poopoo testing. and that's exactly what he keeps doing. >> do we have the ultimate testing? we have the best tests in the world and we gave more than anybody else. but i have always said testing somewhat overrated because what happens after somebody takes a test? >> overrated? the guy has won case near him, and, now, he is going to get tested every day. okay? is that testing overrated? and you know what?

the president's situation is being handled the best way. he should be tested. first of all, we only have one of him, right? i'm sorry but we got to play to priorities here. but just look at the rule that's being followed. test when you can. so you know what's going on. and trace the contacts of the person who has it. that's what they are doing in the white house. why can't that be the rule for the west -- rest of us? why can't we get protection and truth and testing? i thought the carnage was supposed to end with this administration. andy slavitt is the former acting administrator for the centers for medicare and medicaid. it's good to have you on the show. boy. talk about irony. the president says testing's overrated. not for him. gets tested every day. tracing. you know, the states, some guys like it, some guys don't. there's a case near him. they're trace the hell out of this guy. they are finding every potential contact he had, and they're -- they should. they're doing the right thing,

andy. doesn't that kind of blow open, this idea of him padding down testing for the rest of the country? >> think about what testing really is, chris. it's about making americans feel safe. it's about allowing americans to go and resume their lives. if they know that there's testing and they know that, if there is a positive result, that the virus will be contained through contact tracing, people will -- will feel comfortable resuming their lives in a safe way. not in an unsafe way. and so what he is expecting of us, he's expecting us to go back about our lives, without having that level of safety. and of course, that puts us in a position where we have, neither, the decrease in the death toll that we need or an economy that actually works because we have -- we have -- we're just sort of trapped into this state. and i think it's because he's not willing to do the hard work and commit to the hard work to get americans the testing they need. >> let's look. the hard question is, is it realistic to have the testing

that you need anywhere? or are people, like me, creating a false standard for protection, that will never be reached? and, therefore, i am undermining the reality that people are going to have to accept a certain amount of risk and get back out there. >> well, you know, you have this expression of ameri-can. and, you know, it's sort of how many of us like to think of oufr country. but, now, just look around the world, chris. look at germany. they're sa they're starting their economy back up. why? because they have been able to test. look at the czech republic. they are opening their economy because they've got everyone wearing a mask. look at greece opening their economy back up because they have been disciplined. new zealand because they actually put, in place, a system to track -- a color-coded system to track how exposure was going. i can go on and on. vietnam, testing everybody. so it is not impossible. we need a little partience, and we need to do the real work. you can't quit in the middle. you can't announce a program to

test people, like we did three weeks ago. and, then, three weeks later when it's not done, just give up. >> now, there is a distinguishing characteristic with every one of those case studies that you just gave. every country. and the president is right. we have tested, in this country, more people than anywhere else. we, also, have more people than all the other places we're looking at, in terms of scale. but the distinguishing factor, andy, i want you to speak to is, here, it's being left to what would be seen as the provincial leaders. the governors. all those other countries, it is being run out of the central government. what is the difference? >> well, the difference is, angela merkel, for example, who is a scientist, starts every meeting and every conversation she has with the country by talking about their health. by talking about her commitment. by talking about how, if any one person in the country is affected, the entire country is affected. and she is -- essentially held herself accountable for making sure that the public stays

healthy. and, look, we don't need to test every single american. we do need to be able to test everybody with a symptom. we need to be able to test people who want to be tested. we need to be able to test a fair share of people who are healthy, to see where the virus is spreading. our goal, in the short-term, chris, isn't that we're going to end covid-19. our goal is we can just contain to very small amounts and that's work that we can do. deborah birx put forward that plan. we just have to do it. >> right. and what we're struggling with is need. 33 million people, now, out of work. we're killing ourselves with the cure. and we -- we're going to find a vaccine. we're going to find a cure. we're going to get it. sometime. new year. something like that. there will be a big change for us. it will make covid a lot less dangerous. but the damage to the economy may be irreversible for years. and that's why we have to rebalance the scales towards

reopening, even if there's a little bit more risk because we'll get over the virus sooner than we get over the economic impact. your take on that? >> my take on that is it's a tough equation and i can't argue with that. look. everybody in a position of making decisions here wants to do the right thing. everyone in a position of power here, wants to make sure we lose as few lives as possible and open up the economy. but we're he not choosing today, chris, between opening up the economy and people's lives because who is going to start spending money buying boats, getting on airplanes, investing in capital, signing leases, while we have 3,000 people a day dying? nobody. nobody is. but if we can contain the problem so that we know the vast majority of americans feel safe, they will start spending money, and the economy will come back. with all respect to barbershops and haircutting places and tattoos, you can't build an economy around that. that's a third-world economy. and so this is not about opening up the economy as much as it is about opening up the socialization.

it's about responding to the pressure, to the political pressure, of people saying this is hard. and it is hard. there's no question it's hard but we can't pretend that the steps we're taking are going to make it easier. it's not. they're going to make it harder. >> i just don't understand why we're ignoring the one thing that will give people confidence. if you just do testing, it's the closest to the truth they can get. and people make their own decisions. people know risk assessment. this is a ballsy country. you know, people take risks, all the time, in this country. just got to be straight with them. and that's where we see the country now. 60 to 70% of people saying i'm not going to go out. trickling out instead of flowing out the way it was expected. andy slavitt, thank you very much. and, look, we're covering all sides of this. okay? we know the need. cover it all the time because it matters. i don't know how long it's going to take to bring people back. we are covering the vaccine part, too. a potential vaccine has just moved one step closer toward approval.

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just today, the fda announced it is allowing the makers of a new potential coronavirus vaccine to move to the next phase of trials. now, there are usually three phases. okay. the process can take years. critics worry the fda is rushing. dr. mark mcclellan is a former fda commissioner. it's good to have you. >> good to be with you, chris. >> what's your take on them giving a boost to this vaccine? >> i think it's another important step forward in the development of vaccines. chris, as you said before, this is a new kind of vaccine. we haven't seen it used in people before. so there are, still, some important steps and testing ahead that will take time.

this round of tests is about figuring out the right dose and if there are any major side effects, as well. after that, it's going to have to go into larger-scale testing. but this is going to be done in a matter of a few months. and that's a really unpre unprecedented timeframe. >> so tony fauci says, look, we're not going to rush the phases of the testing. we're going to rush the manufacturing. and we're not going to wait until the phases are done. we're going to take gamble here, that this works. and i said well how can you take the gamble? you don't know anything about this virus. every time i tell you something about my symptoms, you say, gee, we haven't heard that. and he said vaccine is very different science than understanding symptoms and treatment. is that true? and what does that mean? >> yes. well, in -- when he talks about taking a gamble, we're not taking a gamble on safety. we're taking a gamble on manufacturing a whole lot of this vaccine and, probably, other vaccines, before we know for sure whether they are safe

and effective. because we need lots of vaccines, chris. this is a treatment that we give to healthy people, to prevent the virus from spreading in a community, prevent people from getting sick, in the first place. normally, that manufacturing of millions or billions of doses, to protect people around the world, will take a really long time. so we're doing it the same time as the testing is going on. if testing doesn't pan out, we have to throw away the vaccine. >> you know, one of the weird things here about how we got to this point is that, when the chinese put out the -- what do you guys call it? the sequence for the virus or whatever? back in january. >> yes. >> fauci put it right into vaccine mode. so i guess they have been working on this over 60 days. it's interesting that, while it seemed to some of us we kind of were asleep on this, you know, and that they were taking it too lightly. the first chance that fauci had with the vaccine part, you know, he went into full mode of trying to create a vaccine.

interesting kind of mixed message there. so, now, we look at the company involved. they've never done this before. does that matter? >> it means that people are going to be extra careful to make sure that the vaccine is safe. it doesn't have side effects. and we're not, yet, sure, because it's a new kind of vaccine, just how much of an immune response. how much antibodies to the virus it will actually generate. and that's why there are going to be a couple more phases of testing. it's going to take some months. the advantage of this kind of vaccine, though, chris, is that, because it's based on the sequence of the virus, it is able to be manufactured very quickly. basically, you're injecting a rna, which tells your own body, the human body, to produce a piece of the virus. and, then, you become immune based on your reaction to the virus, to the piece of the virus, in your own body. so it's a much faster approach than the traditional vaccines, that are based on growing and

injecting a harmless virus that carries a piece of covid-19. that takes longer. isn't human testing first but we are going to have to be extra careful about the safety and effectiveness. >> so i paid to get antibody testing done because i was totally leveled by this virus. it, like, freaked me out, on a psychological level, where i needed to know. i didn't believe i had the antibodies. i thought this thing had beaten me and it was going to come back. i had all these crazy ideas in my head like it was a horror movie. so i know that, not only do i have the long-term antibody, which is the one you guys look for, igg. but i still have some igm. it's going down but it's proving this thing beat me up pretty good and for a long time. and my body had the short-term antibodies not too long ago. but antibody testing has not rolled out the way that we thought. is there blame in that? and does it rest at the fda? >> well, fda gets criticized on both sides. it got criticized over the last couple of months for letting on

a lot of the new antibody tests. and, chris, it sounds like you got an accurate one and because of your symptoms, because of what you went through, i'm pretty sure you are immune now. but many tests on the market, especially for people who weren't symptomatic, have not given very accurate results. fda took steps over this past week to tighten that up. backed by some new research and some new testing that's being done, with support from the nih. so the goal is to get more confidence in the antibody tests that are on the market. we're not there yet, though, and i think people need to be careful about the antibody tests out there and the claims that they're making. >> yeah. a lot of people picking them up offline. same thing with covid positive/negative tests. you have been talking with governor of texas abbott. he got a lot of traction saying birx likes my plan and we are going to have more testing and all that. but he doesn't have it in place yet and, yet, is reopening. and it seems so obviously cart

before the horse. what is your take, as someone who knows the plan well? and the governor. >> carehris, i've written sever reports about what we think is the best way to open back up. and our work at duke really strongly suggests that we need to get the testing in place, first. so, ideally, the increased testing capacity that texas is trying to build right now would be there to wrap around this gradual reopening. so that we can, more quickly, detect any outbreaks. so i do hope texas continues to go slow. and i really hope they can ramp up the testing capacity quickly. they're working hard on that right now, as are many states. >> mark mcclellan, thank you very much. appreciate having you on the show. have a good night, stay healthy. >> good to be with you. >> always. now, look. mcclellan's a genius but you don't have to be one. you can be like me. and every time i talk about somebody who's going to come by our house, drop something off, how's mario?

how are the girls? why are they asking those questions? because they're nervous about whether or not they're going to get sick. that's what's holding us back, no matter how you reopen the economy. people need it have confidence that it's okay, otherwise, you're not going to have the consumer drive. that's why i don't get why these people are sleeping on the basic element that will get us back there. it's not reopening. it's reopening our minds and our incentive to go out. that's testing. major developments, tonight, in a killing that's just getting national attention, months later. and if it weren't for this leaked video, this case may, still, be closed. arrests just announced. big news in the death of ahmaud arbery. we have the details of why it took so long. what his family's struggle has been about, and how we were a video away from silence. when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. that's the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management.

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we have breaking news in the shooting death of a jogger. keyword, jogger. captured on video. horrifying the country, rightly so. tonight, the georgia bureau of investigation announced the arrest of the father and son who shot and killed ahmaud arbery. 25 years old. jogger. they are, now, facing murder charges. the suspects are white. the jogger, black. until now, there hasn't been a lot of action and, by the way, that's generous. there hasn't been any action, outwardly, about this investigation for months. this happened at the end of february. and the suggestion has been, well, we're going to take it to a grand jury. like that's the beginning of the process. no. probable cause, as seen by the police for an arrest is the beginning of a process. not a grand jury. what changed it? this video. now, this is graphic footage. but if you want the truth, this is what will be the basis of the

truth, in this situation. show the video. now, what do you see in that video? what does it mean? i'm not going to keep showing it to you, over and over again. we're going to have time to process this case. martin savidge has been following this story, in glen county, georgia. martin, thank you, for being with us tonight. let's start with what happened tonight. the arrest. what is the explanation for why now? >> you already said it. i mean, it's clear. it's the video that was the real push that made this all happen. i mean, as you pointed out, this case has had two essential speeds. one of them is stagnant, which

is the way it was much of the time. and then lightning. and the difference the border between those two states was the video that was released on tuesday morning. because, immediately after that horrific video came out, several hours later, tom dyrden, the district attorney in the case, he came out with a message and said, all right, i am going to now present it to a grand jury. it was taken as a positive step, but of course there are no grand juries being seated right now. then that day, you had governor brian kemp saying georgians deserve answers on this. and he said the state law enforcement agency, gbi, would be at the ready if they wanted it. what do you know? less than an hour later, the da said, yes, we would expect the help of the gbi. and, by wednesday morning, the very next day, you have got gbi agents on the ground, in glen county, here. and, then, 24 hours after that, you have got two people under arrest. slow to lightning speed. >> so just to people understand, bringing in state investigators is really divesting the locals

stepped away from this because one of the gentleman involved, the father, was a former police officer, locally. that's not that uncommon. but to have state investigators come in and take over a case is -- is much more uncommon. what do we know about the videotape? so the police didn't have it until this week? >> no. the police have had it since the day of the actual shooting, back on february 23rd. >> key fact. >> and the public was aware. they had -- they had heard, in legal documents, that this video existed. but no one had seen it. and no one really understood how graphic and how horrific it would be, until it was unveiled on tuesday morning. and the question, initially, was it was posted on a local radio station website. and the real question was, well, where'd that video come from? who released it? well, it turns out that there was an attorney i had heard about, by the name of alan tucker, and i contacted him. and said, are you the one who released the video? well, a short time later, he put out a statement, a rather lengthy one, saying, yes, i am

the one that put out that video. and he said this. my sole purpose in releasing the video was absolute transparency because my community was being ripped apart by these erroneous accusations and assumptions. so he basically said he, for two months, had watched this back and forth, and with so little coming out of law enforcement. and there was so much being said in that vacuum that he decided he would release the video. >> all right. one more question. the -- who took it? the video. and how did this guy get it? >> yeah. the -- what the breakdown is, from the second da in this case, when he recused himself, he identified who the shooter of that video was. he named him as brian william. now, brian william, on the police report, is listed as a witness that day, on the 23rd, when the shooting took place. but, in the letter of recusal by

this district attorney, he is actually listed more as a participant. but he is named as the person who was actually rolling the video. we don't know why he decided to roll the video. and i should point out that video is at the end of the confrontation. what you do not see is that there were several attempts, apparently, made by the mcmichaels and by mr. william to stop or somehow intercede and prevent this young man, as he was jogging through the neighborhood. >> and, look, i mean, the most suspicious fact that requires some discovery here is arbery was jogging down the middle of the street. the suggestion that he was fleeing the scene of a crime is greatly damaged by the idea that he was doing so, at a steady gait, running down the middle of a street. martin savidge, good reporting on this, to get to the source of this video, which inarguably made the difference in a case,

and maybe the difference in justice being served. thank you very much, big brother. appreciate it. now, for the family, it's always been about getting the truth. they say they said from day one that this wasn't about him fleeing a crime. from day one, that this was about him jogging. but february, march, april, now. imagine going through that as a family. how are they feeling? the victim's sister is looking at you right now. let's hear from her. what this took from them, and what this took of them to get us where we are tonight. next. the united states postal service is here to deliver your mail and packages and the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. every day, all across america, we deliver for you. and we always will.

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>> ahmaud arbery, 25 years old. taking a jog. killed. imagine that this is your brother. imagine that this is your son. let's get the reaction now, from his sister jasmine, along with the family attorney representing in this case, lee merit. counselor, thank you. jasmine, i am very sorry to meet you under these circumstances. but i am very privileged to give you this platform and, frankly, i apologize. it should've come a lot sooner. how is the family doing with the news, today, of an arrest in this case? >> well, as of today, we feel a sense of relief. this has been a long run. it's been a long time. feels like it's been a long time. so this day was a turning point in recovering my brother's case and getting justice for him. so we're relieved and happy. >> i want to, immediately, take

a turn away from the incident that is defining his death, and not let it define his life. tell us about your brother. 25 years young. where his head and his heart were, and what he wanted his life to be about. >> well, i would like to start by saying i was always proud to be his older sister. he was easygoing, loving, generous, humorous. a and, overall, what he showed that day was he was brave. just overall good person. >> did he have dreams of a specific profession or wanting more schooling? or what did he want to do? what were his dreams? >> he actually wanted more schooling. he wanted to be an electrician. that's what he was aspiring to be. >> when this first happened, and the explanation was, well, he was fleeing the kescene of a crime. he get the description. does any of that -- did any of that make any sense? >> not to me, not at all,

because he's known for running in the neighborhood. so we, immediately, believed that that information we received was not true. >> and did the police come to your >> and did the police come to your parents and say well, you know, he was leaving the scene of a crime and that's what this was about. did the police say that to your parents? do you know? >> i do know that they said it was a burglary actually. >> but did they connect your brother to it? >> i'm not sure. >> counsellor, you know why i'm asking the question? >> absolutely. >> what would be the basis? other than what they were told by the two guys who are now arrested for connecting the deceased to any crime? >> that's right. and from what ms. cooper told me, jasmine's mom told me, the law enforcement told her not only was their son involved in a burglary was it was during the course of the burglary that he was shot to death by the homeowner. >> and they didn't provide any

basis for that and follow-up investigation? is there anything to that suggestion as far as you've been told? >> the closest thing to that suggestion is ahmaud running down the street and stopping at a property that is under construction that many people in that neighborhood stopped by because it was a peculiarity in that neighborhood. >> any record? any kind of rule of behavior to in any way connect him to criminal activity on that day or otherwise? >> no, there's nothing that will connect ahmaud, the victim, to any criminal behavior. certainly nothing that is going to lead to his death. as you can imagine if he entered the property that wasn't his that was under construction, arguably it's a trespass. but nothing that would warrant a citizen's arrest, certainly not a death sentence. >> to be clear, our understanding we have seen the video. it's clearly the tail end of a video. is there more video? video at the beginning? has it been edited. the fact was he was jogging down

the middle of the street. there are two very curious aspects to that one line. one is who runs down the middle of the street if they're running away from a crime? >> right. >> and number two, who does so at a steady jogging gait when approached by people? >> there's nothing that substantiates the claim ahmaud was involved in anything nefarious. but what became clear from that video is these men were lying in wait. that the men -- and it's important that you ask the question, are there any other videos or has this video been edited, because this video was taken by one of the assailants, william bryant who is still under investigation who we hope also will be arrested soon. >> right. he's been a little bit of an x factor here. why was the video taken? something seen as exculpatory, good for the two assailant s mis jasmine, back to you now. i'm sorry this is a hard question. did your family ever say to your

brother, don't run in that neighborhood? that's not our neighborhood? i know it has all kinds of overtones to it. but the way he was treated by these men as not belonging there seems like a suggestion. what do you know about that? did your parents ever say anything to him like be careful doing that? >> no, because we live less than five miles away from home in that neighbor. so in a sense it was his neighborhood. >> how long was he known to run? how far would he go? >> um, maybe five miles. six miles. >> how is your family taking this? >> it's been a numbing state for the family. because we haven't been able to grieve. we're in a constant fight mode because we're trying to receive justice for my brother. >> why do you think this happened, jasmine? >> i believe it was a hate crime. >> how so?

>> it was one black guy and three white guys. my brother was jogging. >> how does it make you feel. that that might have been what took your brother's life? >> that his life wasn't respected. >> what do you want for him? >> i want justice. we're seeking justice. >> what does that look like? >> getting consequences. in a sense. that took us this whole situation was senseless. it could have been avoided. our brother is supposed to be here. his birthday is tomorrow. he's supposed to be here with us. >> tomorrow is his birthday. >> correct. >> what's the family going to do on his birthday? >> i will plan to go to my hometown to do a balloon release to honor him. >> i'm so sorry that your family is going through this.

i'm sorry it's taken so long to get notice and attention and action from police and frankly from us as well. that's not a mistake you make twice. we're following what the georgia bureau of investigation does. from here on out. jasmine, we are a phone call away if the something that the family wants people to know about this case. and lee, just to be very careful about georgia law, you got stand your ground there. even if you apply the stand your ground defense which gives people a no duty to ever flee in a situation, they can stand and just defend themselves, even if you have a citizen's arrest law, which is very common in every state, if you reasonably believed or unreasonably believed that someone was connected to a crime, are you allowed to do what these gentlemen did? >> no. where they went off path even with the poor excuses. we don't believe it was arguably self-defense or a citizens arrest. but even under their sort of

peculiar theory, they can't set a trap. they can't stop someone in the middle of the road, hop out with shotguns and create a dangerous situation and avail themselves of stand your ground or self-defense. it's just not how the law is designed to work. >> i appreciate it. i know, jasmine, it's not easy to hear. i want to make sure the people watching understand that i'll look at every corner of this. any suggestion there is. that's what justice is. fairness under law. they want to make a case, fine. it's fair to have it rebutted by an attorney like lee and to get your perspective on who your brother was and what this is about for you and your family as well, jasmine. listen, i hope your family is able to find some solace tomorrow in remembering how your brother lived and not just what took his life, and that your pursuit of justice continues. and we will pay attention to this case. i promise you, that jasmine. >> thank you. >> no, thank you for giving me the opportunity to cover it. please send my condolences to your parent, okay?

counselor, thank you very much for educating us on the fax. >> thank you so much. >> be well. it's a tough story. what if the video hadn't come out? now i'm not saying we know everything that happened in the case, but nothing hatched since february 23rd. does that make sense to you? all right. the cdc is saying one thing, white house saying another about reopening guidelines. why? they want different things. we're going break it down with the head of the harvard global health institute, next.

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