hello everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thanks for joining us today this hour. today is the day a lot of folks were dreading, the day it became crystal clear how devastating the pandemic has been on the u.s. economy. with the april jobs report just released, it shows unemployment is hitting the highest level since the great depression. look at the numbers and recognize these aren't just numbers, these are people. 20.5 million people lost their jobs last month. the unemployment rate jumping

from 4.4% to 14.7% in a month's time. the speed of the job loss is breath-taking. ten years of job gains gone in a month, and as bad as those numbers are, president trump senior economic to get worse still. >> the next one should be around 20. i was thinking this one might be as much as 20 but we had a big decline in the labor force as well. so the numbers are going to be probably going to be best to look at as you said the u6 so that's the 22%, probably 25% in the next report. >> wow. the country hits another grim milestone this morning. the coronavirus has now killed more than 75,000 americans, well over 1.2 million people have been infected. still a vast majority, 47 states will be at least partially reopened by sunday. we have a lot going on this hour. let's get started with cnn's

julia chatterley. great to see you again. on the jobs numbers, give us perspective here. how bad is this? >> this is really bad, kate. what can i say? this past month has been the worst month for families than any year during the great depression. that's the scale that we're talking about, and to go to what kevin hassett was just saying there, the labor department have already said this rate that you're looking at here would have been 5 percentage points higher if people had classed themselves as unemployed rather than just absent from work, yet for all of that, there is a level of optimism from people in this report, too. over 18 million people said they are temporarily out of work. they hope to come back quickly. we hope that it's the same that these jobs can be added back quickly as states reopen. we also know that's going to be a huge challenge, but in the interim also, the details in this worry me in terms of what

sectors. as you can see, it's broad-based but over 40% of job losses came from leisure and hospitality. these are among some of the lowest paid jobs in the united states, too, and this means workers and families least able to bear two months of lost income and still pay the bills, and that's going to be important for the recovery, too. >> yes. digging in to the numbers, even into the sectors, who has been most affected by these layoffs? >> you're talking about demographics, everybody has been impacted by what we've seen in terms of job losses but minorities have been hit hardest. just take a look at some of these statistics, unemployment rate of more than 16.5% for black people, just under 19% for hispanics. young people as well, if we take a look at that, teenagers now, we've got almost 32% of teenagers also saying they're unemployed. this matters, because we have to

assess the ability of the safety net that's been created to tackle these segments of society as well. a lot of this is going to come down to the success of programs like the ppe. does that bring jobs back in the coming months but also as we were discussing yesterday, the interplay between unemployment benefits being paid and the relatively lower on average wages that people earn in jobs. we don't know what this looks like next month, but for today, it's a tragedy. >> and looks like next month could look very similar. julia, thank you, thank you so much. i appreciate it. we're also standing by for president trump right now. he's going to be heading to the world war ii memorial in washington to mark the 75th anniversary of victory in europe day. we're going to bring you those moments when we see them, when they begin live. let's get to cnn white house correspondent john harwood. the ceremony begins shortly but the president is already speaking out about this jobs report this morning. what is he saying?

>> kate, this is the kind of jobs report no president ever wants to face, no politician of any kind ever wants to face but what the president is saying is two-fold. the first is, it's not my fault. we deliberately turned off the economy because of the coronavirus, and said even democrats are not blaming me for these unemployment numbers, and the second thing he said was we're reopening the economy on the way to a rapid comeback. take a listen. >> it's fully expected, there's no surprise. everybody knows this. those jobs will all be back and they'll be back very soon and next year we're going to have a phenomenal year. people are ready to go. we have to get it open, and safely. people are ready to go. >> reporter: now of course the economy is only going to rebound if people feel the confidence to go out, buy products, stores to open, workers to show up, and that is still ahead of us. it involves getting control of

the coronavirus sufficiently that we can have that robust recovery in the sec half ond ha the year the administration is hoping for and congressional budget office predibted. > predicted. >> mark, thank you as always for coming in, i really appreciate it. these are horrific numbers. what do you see in them? >> well, they're ugly, kate. over 20 million in lost jobs, very broad base. the thing that was so stunning to me was the bureau of labor statistics lists employment gains, losses by detailed industry and if you look down that list there's probably 100 industries they've got listed there. i saw one or two industries that didn't have layoffs. every other industry had negative numbers next to it. it was just incredible. i've never seen anything like it. the other thing that i found disturbing was almost 1 million jobs are lost in state and local government, and that's a

problem. i had thought state and local governments if they don't get more help from the federal government to meet their budget shortfalls which start laying off but i didn't think it was going to happen so fast. this puts pressure on congress and the administration to come together and pass a piece of legislation to help out the state and local governments. otherwise we'll see millions more lost jobs in that part of the economy and those are key jobs in a crisis, they're police, they're fire, they're emergency responders, they're people who provide social services, they're teachers. we need those folks, and they're middle paying jobs so that i found also quite disconcerting. it's just hard to describe, kate. it was just a very, very disconcerting report. >> and you heard kevin hassett tell poppy harlow he thinks next month is going to be worse. do you agree? >> we'll have more job loss in may. we can already see that, there's been more claims for unemployment insurance, so that's folks being laid off or

furloughed, and next week is the week that the bls will run the survey for may, and we'll certainly see some job loss there. it won't be nearly as bad. i expect another 1 million to 1.5 million. it's odd for me to say that, at any other time, that would be crazy to be saying that, but you know, relative to 20 million lost jobs, that feels pretty good. i will say on an optimistic note sort of, with businesses starting to reopen, by june, i would expect to see the job losses turn into job gains, and at least for a temporary period as businesses reopen june, july, august, september, we should see job growth. i disagree with the president. we are not going to get a lot of these jobs back fast. we may get half back, we might, you know, get 10 million back but the unemployment rate is still around 10% come election day and i don't see this economy going anywhere fast until we have some solution to this vary us, vaccine and the fact that we're reopening so quickly

raises the risks we have a second wave and right back into this mess later in the year. >> i remember you saying last week it say huge gamble they are making with how quick they are reopening. >> huge. >> when you look at public health as well as when you look at the economic impact. i find it really interesting, because i was going to ask you to respond to the president that he thought it was going to come back quickly. what is jobs coming back quickly in your mind? whato happen is say we're going to lose 25 million jobs all in, you know, march, april, may. we'll get half those back maybe by october/november as businesses reopen. that means the unemployment rate will go from being close to 20% back down to 10% and then we are there. not moving. we'll be in quicksand until there's some resolution to the virus, and we're going to be very vulnerable, if we have more infections the second wave the job losses will intensify, unemployment will begin to rise and by the way, kate, this is i

would consider this still a recession, but if we had a second wave and we go back with more job loss and higher unemployment, this will then be called a depression. so we're taking a really big gamble here opening up as quickly as we are. >> mark, even short of it turning into a depression, as states are opening up, science has made it very clear the virus isn't going away. that creates and that leads to uncertainty, when it comes to many americans, also known as consumers. what does that mean for kind of the longer term impact on u.s. economy and the global economy? >> you got it. i mean, you're absolutely right. anyone goes back to anything resembling normal, you know, with this virus hanging around particularly it's reintensifying. i can't see any business -- i'm a businessperson. i have to make decisions about hiring and investing. i can't imagine making a big investment decision in the context of all this, particularly when infections are starting to rise because who knows? we may have to shut down

businesses again. by the way, this is happening across the globe, right, so you know, if you're dealing with businesses overseas, and global economies remain closed because of the uncertainty, that's going to impair activity here. so i just don't see this economy kicking back into any gear until the virus is gone, until we feel comfortable that we're not going to get sick. >> and that means a vaccine. mark, thank you. thanks for your hand on this always. appreciate it. >> sure thing, kate. coming up for us, a meat plant in iowa is reopening, just as the number of coronavirus cases at that plant doubles. what is behind that spike? we're going to get into it. and texas is reopening but the mayor of austin says it is too soon. why is he so concerned. that's coming up.

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. a terrifying illustration how hard the coronavirus is hitting one industry in particular, on the same day the tyson's meat plant in waterloo, iowa, was reopening the number of workers who tested positive for the virus doubled, over a thousand employees at one plant. cnn national correspondent dianne gallagher is reporting. why are they still opening? >> reporter: they're doing it at 50% compass sit what tyson says. they're not opening with anybody who has not been tested already for the virus but the reason why the numbers doubled is a little bit more complicated here. so according to blackhawk county iowa officials, 1,031 of the roughly 2,800 employees at the tyson pork processing would thor loo plant te waterloo plant tested positive. the day before the county made

that announcement iowa governor kim reynolds said only 44 employees tested positive and according to the health department, the disparity lies in the numbers that the governor chose to use. she is only using the number of positive tests that occurred on site at the plant testing site. the county on the other hand is using those on site tests as well as those from local health providers and these serology antibody tests to confirm positive cases, and so the county is using all of those according to blackhawk county, roughly 90% of the county's cases are employees from that plant here. tyson went and made some changes inside attempting to adhere to those cdc guidelines. tyson has not just met but exceeded those guidelines it says, but we spoke with employees who are, kate, understandably really nervous about this. one man we spoke to before the plant initially closed back in

mid-april who told us he was concerned. we tested positive for covid-19. his name is donald. he goes back to work today and kate, he said, "i don't have a choice to go back to work. i can't beat donald trump and tyson, both of them are billionaires. i'm not a billionaire. i'm broke. i just work for a living." of course he's referring to the president using the dpa to try and keep these plants open, even as so many of the employees continue continue. one more thing, kate, to illustrate this racial disparity that we've been seeing when it comes to covid-19, and how it is particularly impacting these meat packing plants, because two-thirds of the workers in these plants across the country are people of color. in black hawk county, iowa, 5% of the ethnic minorities in that county are covid-19 positive, compared with just 0.8% of the white residents. >> wow.

wow. dianne, thank you so much for your reporting. really appreciate it. so from iowa let's focus on texas right now. the number of new cases there now about a thousand a day, in terms of coronavirus cases. despite that the governor is moving ahead with plans to continue opening more parts of the state's economy. today that includes salons and barber shops joining the list, that is actually sooner in opening those types of businesses than the governor had originally planned. as that happens, the mayor of one of the state's biggest cities says he's now concerned about a second wave of the virus. joining me right now is the mayor of austin, texas, steve adler. thank you for coming in. what has you so concerned? >> well it's good to be with you this morning. you know, what's concerning here is that this is an experiment. no one knows what's going to happen. as we begin to reopen the economy here, no one knows exactly the full extent of the virus transfer, the infection we're going to see. so we have to be prepared.

we're going to do our best to avoid our hospitals from getting overrun. we don't have any choice now, but i'm going to try my best to make this successful for the governor as i can, which means we're going to really push on behaviors more than he is and what he's talking about, but also a testing and tracing but we also have to prepare for a failsafe. we have to identify what the trigger is that we see, if we see it, of rising hospitalizations that then cause us to do something to get back to where we are now. >> do you know what that trigger is? it's interesting. i've asked that of more than one governor of what that line is that they'll see and know that they need to reverse course. i haven't gotten a clear answer from really anybody yet. >> well, we're real close to being able to identify that trigger. it's not hard. what we have learned and earned from the last six to eight weeks

in our community here is with our modelers, university of texas, we can predict now based on the number of hospitalizations we are seeing, where we're going to be in two weeks, so we figure out what is the capacity, and the comfortable sunrge capacity in our hospitals and we say where is it that we are -- because remember, when you hit the trigger, there's a two-week lag, so we should have that number today within the next couple days. we're going to introduce you to the community and all be watching that same number. hopefully we won't get to that trigger, but if we do, we're going to have to act, so it's using the models that have been really accurate and spot-on in terms of predicting and assessing what we've been seeing in our community. >> on the simple yet for some reason it's become controversial issue of face masks, why do you think the governor is not requiring the use of face masks

in public? >> it's beyond me, and you know, our governor says you should do it, our lieutenant governor says you should do it, but they won't let us have -- i was going to say they won't let us make it mandatory but that's not true. the governor's orders said we weren't allowed to put any civil or criminal penalties against it so here in austin we've kept face masks mandatory with the understanding that the penalty for not wearing a face mask in austin is that more people are going to get sick and some of them are going to die, and our hope that will be penalty enough. that's the real penalty associated with not wearing face coverings. we're pushing it real hard because we recognize that that's what we have to do, even for the governor's plan to be successful, we have to have universal adoption of the face coverings. >> we've learned that the cdc has recommendations for how to open up safely. they presented that to the white house, but we also have seen

another report of the white house that shelved the guidelines because they thought the guidance was too specific, the task force coordinator now since last night says they are going to put out guidance, it's just being edited. from your perch, do you want to see federal recommendations on how to open up safely for schools and for businesses, and what that should look like? would that be helpful to you? >> i think it would be real helpful. i mean, we're trying to be guided as much by the science and data as you can, so experts coming in and saying if you're going to do this, this is how it should be done. that doesn't tell us that that's what we should be doing but certainly, we have our best guesses at this point, as to if you're going to open up, what are the things that can make it most successful. we won't know until we do this whether or not these things actually can prevent a surge or not. we have to watch the numbers and pay attention to the triggers. >> and before i let you go, everyone and i'll show it for viewers again, saw this video

from your city of a park ranger getting shoved into a lake by a 25-year-old simply because the ranger had tried to tell people who respect social distancing requirements and recommendations. there is the video for everybody to see. a lot of people had reactions, strong reactions to this. when you saw this, mayor, what did you think? >> obviously outrageous behavior and against the law and there needs to be a sanction and there is against that individual. but my first thought was that we're beginning to lose control, that somehow or another, through the actions to reopen the economy, we are beginning to reinforce the message that somehow or another we're on top of this, that somehow or another this is not as infectious as it was a month ago, which is not true, but it also, my thought was, that's an isolated incident and it is so far in this city.

we have a community here in austin that is not running out to take advantage of a reopening business. a lot of businesses that aren't doing that. i think that the overwhelming view in this community is to take this slowly. the governor said things could open. he didn't say they had to open and as i look around, we have to see the data, and again there's a trailing indicator here. what we're doing today is not going to show up in hospitalizations for another two or three weeks. so we just have to really take this slowly, watch the numbers, and be prepared to act. >> it's a beautiful city, austin, texas. thanks for coming in, mayor, i appreciate it. zblts e he >> thanks for inviting me. remdesivir is the only drug shown to be effective against the coronavirus and right now there is a limited supply. doctors are saying that they're not getting answers from the federal government on who is going to get the drug, and when. four plus one is...

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any moment now president trump will be laying a wreath at the world war ii memorial, marking the 75th anniversary of

the victory in europe day, when this gets under way, we will bring that to you live. just enjoying seeing those veterans there on the screen. back to coronavirus pandemic, remdesivir is the first and only drug shown to work against the coronavirus to date and only drug to receive that emergency authorization approval from the fda as a treatment. a new challenge is emerging. doctors and hospitals saying it's not clear how the government is deciding where the limited supply of this treatment is going and the drug's manufacturer says there's only enough remdesivir in the world for about 200,000 patients. cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is looking in to this. what is going on here? >> this is what happens when you have a pandemic, and you get these new treatments coming out right when they come out, you're not necessarily going to have enough, so let's look at some of the basics here. remdesivir was authorized by the fda, as you said for the first time a drug showing that it worked against covid-19.

that happened may 1st so really just one week ago. gile gilead, the company that makes it, only states they only have enough right now for 200,000 patients max, and that is worldwide, and so doctors are reporting dysfunction saying there's no clear rationing criteria. it's not gilead doing the rationing. it's the government that's distributing it, and i will say that i've talked to hospitals that say we seem to have enough and others saying we didn't get any, we don't know why we didn't get any and they try to ask questions what is the criteria, who gets it, who doesn't and how much, they get a literally as one doctor said don't call us, we'll call you. >> we're in a tough spot. >> they're asking to you play god, who gets the medicine and who doesn't. >> it's challenging. i do believe that people who are not going to get it because we simply don't have enough. >> so that's what i've been hearing from other doctors as well is that they don't know

what to do here. it's interesting, the doctor we just heard from, rochelle velensky is at mass general hospital. they got redemmdesivir, one of r hospitals in massachusetts to get it, and they gave it to massachusetts distribute it as you see fit, we shouldn't be four of four hospitals. that was quite a gesture. mass general doesn't have enough and having to make these decisions. >> elizabeth, thanks so much. much more to come on that one for sure. so the brooklyn district attorney's office is telling cnn that new york police made 40 arrests in brooklyn between march 17th and may 4th for folks violating social distancing requirements. 35 of those arrested are black, four are hispanic and one is white. let's bring in this into the spotlight and another part an arrest caught on video as the nypd launching an internal investigation.

>> he didn't even do nothing, look. he didn't even do nothing. >> it's tough to watch. cnn crime and justice correspondent shimon procupez. >> that incident investigation is still ongoing. members of the minority community are complaining the police are unfairly targeting them, a disparity in the way they're dealing with certain communities versus how they are dealing with minority communities. the mayor vowed to take a look at some of this, and what he said today was that they are seeing some of the numbers, this disparity and of course it concerns him. last night the mayor tweeting in response to the brooklyn d.a.'s statistics that you just mentioned saying that of course the nypd's job is to save lives

and the summons' and arrests they need to do that in some instances, so he basically then said that the disparity in the numbers does not reflect our values and that we have to do better and we will. today the mayor going further, talking about it, just moments ago, at his daily briefing. >> but i say hey, start with these sheer facts that we're talking about, very few people have been arrested and very few people have been summonsed. there's a huge amount of restraint by the nypd that's just factually obvious from the numbers, and we intend to keep it that way. >> so while the mayor says yes, he wants the nypd to keep the contact they're having with the community over social distancing at a minimum they'll look at the guidelines, some of the training to go back and see if they can do some things different. the other thing i want to point out, kate, we're talking about less than ten summonses a day that have been issued and the

mayor wanted to highlight some of that. he said they are showing restraint but they do need to go back and look and see why there is disparity in these numbers, kate. >> shimon, thank you. still ahead for us, dr. deborah birx denying the white house rejected new cdc recommendations for safely reopening the country, saying now the guidelines are in edit. what's going on here? road and e that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

president trump is at the world war ii memorial with the first lady marking victory in europe day. leaders around the world are doing the same but in the midst

of the global pandemic the ceremonies looked different. everything significantly scaled back. let's take a moment, let's listen in, in this very important moment.

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president and the first lady there. president trump is being joined as you can see he's going to speak to them now, world war ii veterans today, all of them in their 90s, which as you can see they're very spread out, but it has of course raised concerns about the risks involved here, especially since just yesterday a member of president trump's personal staff tested positive for the coronavirus. i wish we could hear but it is windy there at the world war ii memorial. let me bring in white house correspondent kaitlan collins for more on this. kaitlan, you can see how social distancing they've spread out everyone at the world war ii memorial but what are you hearing about precautions taken place in light of this? >> reporter: i think there would have been concern about this kate even before the report that

we broke yesterday about this personal valet to the president testing positive for coronavirus, of course given the age of these veterans and though this is typically an event that the white house does each year where the president does greet them as you're seeing now, he is doing from a distance with the first lady at the world war ii memorial so they're outside this time, no hugs, no handshakes or anything of that nature and of course the concern was ramped up by that report that someone close to the president who interacts with him so closely, kate, had tested positive. this morning the president confirmed the last time he'd had contact with the personal valet was on tuesday so it was in recent days that person was exhibiting symptoms at the white house yesterday, they underwent a test and tested positive. we should note the president and the vice president were then tested afterward and came back negative. the white house said it raised a lot of concerns about the protocol inside the white house and the president did say today those valets are going to start wearing masks but you see that he is not wearing one, the first

lady is not wearing one there, as they're outside keeping their distance from these veterans that are there and we should note we were expecting the veterans to also be tested today for coronavirus as well before this event took place as you've seen happening with all of the guests that often come into the white house. >> what else, kaitlan, the white house had a statement, white house spokesperson had a statement in describing the veterans attending the ceremony choosing nation over self. are you hearing the white house is acknowledging and understanding the risks involved here? all of these men, these war heroes, these american heroes are in their 90s. >> reporter: exactly and so they are in the group that health experts have told us is one of the most at risk, and so that was the question that we heard some people asking. was this the right decision to hold this event, given of course what's going on throughout the nation, and so that is why you saw the white house take these

precautions that they're taking here, keeping people distant but you know, new questions were raised about that, given the events of the week, and you know, they also raised questions about what's going to be different inside the white house. trump said he's going to be tested daily now instead of weekly as is the senior staff who meets with him. the next natural question, is it going to be stopped here? is the white house going to be able to contain this by removing this one staffer who tested positive? how does that go going forward? that is the question. you see the president start to do these events that are typical of a presidency, of course, these memorial events, traveling as you've seen him start to want to do. he went to arizona this week. they have several other trips they're planning as well. how do they handle him doing the typical events of a presidency with of course the pandemic. it's very much still across the nation. >> when these are anything but typical times. kaitlan, dr. jennifer lee is joining us as well. doctor, i wanted to get your

thoughts on kind of what kaitlan and i were talking about there about the risks. what do you see when you see this event outside, yes at the world war ii memorial but you're talking about veterans in their 90s attending this event. >> that's right, kate. today is a very special day, ve day, and the 75th anniversary of it, and we don't have many world war ii veterans still alive. so of the 389,000 or so we estimate are still throughout, we want to do everything we can to honor them and to learn as much as we can from their experience. they are a national treasure, but i do think we have to be cautious, too, and part of honoring them is being cognizant of the risks that are really out there due to covid-19 to their health, because of course because of the time period that has passed since world war ii,

these veterans are older in age. the youngest veteran i think that participated in today's event was 96, for example, and we know that covid-19 has the highest death rates among those who are 85 and older, and so what we would want to see, and we did see some of this in the ceremony, but what we want to see is really careful social distancing, the use of masks. ideally for somebody who has been recently exposed to a known covid positive individual, and we know that from, that the president, the news yesterday they're supposed to be following three things. one, they're supposed to be staying at home for at least 14 days after the last exposure to the individual. they're supposed to be monitoring themselves with temperature and symptom checks every day, and if they absolutely can't avoid interacting with people, then they need to stay at least six feet away, and ideally, wear a

mask. so we saw some of that today but not everything. >> doctor, if you could stick with me i need to get back over to kaitlan collins. word another positive coronavirus case at the white house? >> reporter: yes, we were just talking about the staffer who tested positive, the staffer to the president and now we are learning from sources that a member of the vice president's staff has now tested positive for coronavirus. what's be up this morning is the vice president is on his way to iowa right now, and when air force ii was on the tarmac waiting to take off, they sat on the plane for an hour which raised questions for the reporters on board, who let the rest of us know what's going on. they were still sitting there for an hour. then we were told that a few staffers got off the plane and then the plane took off to iowa and headed that way. so it's not clear what happened. did those staffers come into contact with this person who has

now tested positive? we should note, we are told the person who tested positive was not did the vice president come in touch with the staffer. we should know but he's still unidentifiable. this was notable given yesterday. we reported someone incredibly close to the president tested positive. a member of the vice president staff have also tested positive. >> the valet you and i were talking about yesterday. dr. lee, you are with us as well, how concerning is this? should the vice president be traveling? >> it really not. in some sense is not surprising. i can tell you that the rate and

infection have not seen a dramatic decrease. we have not seen that 14-day decrease in the district yet. it is a meatter of time before you start to see some people in the orbit of the president and the vice president getting infected. no matter how careful you are, this is a contagious virus. of course there are essential workers and people who are out there and adhering to all the guidelines. they they're trying their best but could still get this virus. we go back to what the cdc says if you have had contact with someone that's tested positive, you should not be traveling and should not have any contact with anyone.

you absolutely if you have to, you have to maintain social distancing of 14 days. >> this is deeply troubling because not only one there is a question and we know how quickly this virus could spread. we have seen it in every state across the country. kaitlan is still with me, do we know people were wearing masks traveling with the president today? >> we do not know. that's week when he went to the mayor's clinic, e dhe did wear mask. he did wear one in and nindiana. the question is will he be

wearing one today? the reason for not wearing it because they said all their staffers being tested. they found south someone going on this trip has it and i was talking about contact tracing. who did that person come in contact with. that could have been the reason he followed stafferi getting of the aircraft. he's still in the air right now. we should know they have not commented after it was reported by a bloomberg's news reporter. >> kaitlan, as often happens when the vice president going to a state like this, non of the congressional members of that state travels as well. you can have members of congress

that's unboarding that plane also. >> not only they are traveling as they go to the state, we saw several people traveling with the president when he went to arizona. so the question is how many people are there and do they social distance. a lot of this is coming under scrutiny. it was not something the white house facing a lot of questions. now we are seeing a lot of cases coming from the white house ground is going to raise a lot of questions what the protocol is behind closed doors. >> dr. lee, you have treated and worked with covid patient in your hospital. what should you like to see happen now with how operation is conducted in the west wing?

>> when anyone tested positive, you have to start contact tracing. you want to isolate these cases, infection, you need to find out anyone who was in contact with the president and vice president's aids up until about 48 hours before symptoms started. again, this is a tricky virus, you can have it and not have symptoms. we also know some of the rapid tests do have a significant 15% of false naegative rate. you have to be extra cautious dealing with this. you have to adhere all the guidelines, not only it is the right thing to do but to protect everyone in the white house. every single person there is an

essential worker for the functioning of this nation and the government. you want to see strict social distancing and wearing of masks and good hand washing and they have the advantage of having access to test. it is critical in the coming days and weeks. >> exactly right. dr. lee, thank you so much. this is really troubling news coming from the white house right now. one day after a staffer of the president's tested positive for coronavirus and now a staff of the vice president tested positive for coronavirus according to sources. much more on this breaking news right after this. if you have asthma or copd, these are challenging times, and you may have a lot on your mind. we want to help, with real questions from you, and real answers from experts. we can get through this together.

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