code breaker messages from blechly hall. tlank you so much for joining us on this friday, and "cuomo primetime" starts now. >> thanks for that sense of perspective. are we showing the same desperation now open question. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime," coop is off, probably on daddy duty if i had to guess. you have me two hours tonight. virus inside the president's inner circle. doing all this testing and tracing and president angry

about the spread and making case against testing for rest us, saying don't need vaccine either, probably disappear on its own, like the flu? he should be happy to have the luxury of having this around him, and upset you do not. and should be more open understanding the difference between you and him. did he put a o elderly world war ii veterans, heroes of our greatest generation, at greater risk today? and not letting up on the case of ahmaud arbery, we waited too long to take it seriously. black man simply out on a jog shot and killed. today would have been his 26th birthday. took 75 days after the crime for investigators to say probable cause was clear to bring murder charges? really it was clear from the

moment they saw the video which they had day one. don't believe people telling you video just came out. cops had it from jump. i'll show you what i believe could be the most crucial part of that video, especially a trial if there is one. let's get after it. no president wants their name attached to something like today depression. they're very rare, but today unemployment rate of 14.7%, worst jobs report in american history, more than 20 million lost their livelihoods last month and far worse, losses of life now more than 77,000. and there is no reason to believe it's going to go down anytime soon. yet our president, instead of owning our reality, instead of treating desperate times with desperate measures like we did

in world war ii which we commemorate today, keeps moving the goalpost, shirking responsibility and denying reality, even on the death toll. 60 thour 60,000 he said, all it will be, now 100,000 or more. close to him politically and more importantly personally. personal valet has the virus, press secretary to the vp married to one of the president's closest aides has the virus, katie miller, wish her well and hope the symptoms are light and move quickly. she's the wife of senior adviser stephen miller. i hope it goes away quickly but should deal with the reality. two white house staffers in 24 hours with confirmed positive tests. that's how it happens. it spreads. now it's around him. what are they doing? testing everybody. what are they doing?

tracing the people who had it to make sure they can limit the contagion. why aren't we doing that for the rest of us? president is still downplaying the process. >> this is why the whole concept of tests aren't necessarily -- the tests are perfect but something could happen between the test where it's good, then something happens and all of a sudden she was tested very recently and tested negative. then today i guess for some reason she tested positive. >> this should be troubling to you. one, katie miller did nothing wrong by testing positive. second, of course the test is only as good as that day. it can't predict the future. how does the president not know this? what's going on with people around him? tony fauci, time for a tete-a-tete, a couple of cups of

coffee or whatever he drinks and explain to him every day is a new day. can be negative today, positive a couple days later. you know who was? i was. you know who else? a lot of people. why? not only can you be exposed and get the virus after you've been tested, kind of the duh part of this. but this virus takes time to build in your system and come to a level where it will be detectible and body is starting to lose to it. no matter the science, the sophistication, the simple part, everything i just told you is more reason to have more testing. they obviously matter. it's not a discount argument. thing's only good for today, doesn't tell you what's going to happen tomorrow, why even do it? if i said that, might be taken off the air for a while. but from the president of the united states particularly one thankfully remaining healthy in part because of all the testing

done around him. bring in chief white house correspondent jim acosta, a little unsettling to hear the president coming to a new conclusion that a test is only as good as the day it's taken. >> very unsettling, not more than having two staffers in two days test positive for the coronavirus. that really sent shock waves through the white house. talked to a senior white house official just a short while ago who said they're understandably very concerned, worried about whether or not somebody else might test positive. new information last couple of minutes, official sells me they performed contact tracing inside the white house that katie miller told officials into the white house who are the people she's in touch with, they were reached out to, tested for coronavirus, those came back negative, including her husband, stephen miller.

that's the good news at this point. but in the meantime there is a sense, no way to tiptoe around this, that the president and other members of his team, many of them don't take this seriously enough. saw it on the national mall earlier, president meeting with world war ii veterans, saying i don't have to be wearing a mask because staying far away from them. these are elderly members of the greatest generation, a monument to risky behavior seeing the president on the national mall doing this. meantime here at the white house they say they're going to do more cleansing around the hallways of the west wing, make sure the staffers who go into the residence of the white house are wearing masks and they do more testing and temperature checks but no question about it, you have a president, heard this earlier today, downplaying the need for testing when they were ramping up testing everywhere you look inside the white house because of this positive case of

katie miller. >> and they're doing the right thing. temperature checks, i'm not a buyer, too many people get this and don't have fever as a symptom, i did. i saw a picture of katie miller not wearing a mask and you were standing next to her. we try to keep ourselves out of it, but i need you. if you're out and around there, are you worried she didn't have mask on -- probably didn't know, would guarantee almost certainly she didn't. >> that was not me, one of our producers, you can see her far left. i was not in the pool but she was and one of our photographers. as you can see, just yesterday, vice president was dropping off ppe in alexandra, virginia, she was not wearing a mask and interacting with the news crews but members of the press were wearing masks and i was wearing one live and in the briefing.

when they tell us press secretary tests positive for the coronavirus, i'm going to wear a mask. okay with no one around not to for time being, but it was worrying. members of the press in the west wing scrambled over to the lower press, office of the press area of white house where the junior staffers are located. instead of them being in their offices, white house physicians were in there giving everybody coronavirus tests, including me. pretty sure i came back negative because didn't tell me i tested positive but that's how things changed quickly this afternoon. >> reality is this is a reflection of what we need everywhere. testing is truth, only way you know anything. especially if you're anxious to get us reopened. if you want us reopened, only way you give people confidence to go out and restart the economy with demand is if they

have indication it's okay to do so. glad it's not you there, glad he had the mask on. are you hearing anything about rick bright? i know he sat for an interview but any word of him being reinstated? i had his lawyer on earlier this week, here's why i asked you, administration said he has to show up for work, gave him a great job to make a difference for people in nih but lawyer said what job, hasn't been told about any position. they know where he is. he's been dealing with physical effects and ailments recently. what's the latest? >> his attorneys put out statement earlier saying they've been informed by federal investigative office, office of special councsel. not the robert mueller one,

different part of government. they're saying there is evidence he was retaliated against. he was trying to warn the public of what was going on inside the administration, things that shouldn't be happening in response to the coronavirus, and he was retaliated against. he was brought up during one of our photo opportunities with the president earlier today, he wrote him off as disgruntled attorney. but he was on cbs saying it's not that, but it's hurting the response to the coronavirus pandemic by not having him in that position. here's more of what he had to say. >> i am not disgruntled. i am frustrated at the lack of leadership. i am frustrated at the lack of urgency to get a head start on developing life-saving tools for americans. to move me over to a very small

focused project of any scale, any level of importance is not responsible. doesn't make sense. >> and what dr. bright -- raises a good question. why would you pull the top vaccine expert in the federal government out of the mix in the middle of a pandemic? he says retaliated against for essentially questioning the president's embrace of hydroxychloroquine, which as we know as gone by the wayside. and so on. this fight is not over yet, chris, i suspect it's one of the early rounds in the battle. >> rick bright not first guy we've seen have unseemly exit from the trump administration for going against the word of the leader on high. jim, i wish you good health and hope rest of the team is okay. that matters most. only way to know, people get tested. >> good to see you chris.

>> this president comes up with every excuse not to wear a mask himself. i wore one, you just didn't see me in it. i wore it backstage. this is not a reality show, you are president of the united states. today he said it was windy, blowing away from the high-risk group of veterans he was with. somebody show him how to put a mask on please, it goes around both ears, won't blow away. what does it mean for others when he doesn't wear a mask when he could have been exposed? one of our top doctors is here next. imagine what you would say about somebody else who did that. next. hill is irresistabale. children's claritin. feel the clarity and live claritin clear.

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on any budget, with free shipping. wayfair. way more than furniture. the west wing is nervous. they should be. two positive cases in two days. do you know why that happened? because this virus is still spreading. now, our leaders are getting tested every day. that's good. the people who test positive unfortunately are having tracing done, very thorough, that's good. the weird part, the bad part, why don't they see the need for the same type of exercises for the rest of us? let's bring in dr. william schaffner joining us now. there's a little bit of point of criticism that trump and pence should self-quarantine. i say no, they're too important. only have one of each of them, if there's any excuse to keep

them vital and in loop of daily duties, i think we've got to defer to that for now. only got one president, doc. i'll give a pass on that. on the idea of not wearing masks, president had an excuse, i wore one backstage, he said, as if it's all a reality show. why does it matter if president is wearing a mask, messaging aside, medicine only. >> both. messaging is important. this is a big weekend. much of the country is opening up, pizza parlor owners, people who run nail salons, barbers and beauticians, grocery stores that have been open, no one should go into any of those establishments not wearing a mask. and personnel in those establishments should be wearing a mask when they deal with their clients. and the white house should be

showing an example. this is very, very important. we need to protect our national leaders, absolutely. that's why the staff inside the white house should also be wearing masks. you wear the masks to protect people around you. >> one point of pushback, the messaging matters, even in medical capacity, you're right to make that point. in terms of maskz, you've been all over the place with it. don't wear t meaningless, going to touch your face too much, it's upside, downside, maybe a mask, mask won't hurt you, better than nothing, now everybody has to have a mask. it's confusing. >> me too, i learned as we went along. as soon as we learned that coronavirus could be transmitted by people who were perfectly

healthy, then the reason to wear masks universally suddenly became apparent. because i don't know that i'm not infectious right at this moment. if so, in order to protect you if we were close together, i would have to wear that mask. that would help me protect you. we're all in this together. we need to try to reduce the transmission of this virus. it's easily transmitted. this helps block the transmission. >> i'll tell you what, work you're doing, what you mean to your institution and to us in the media because of how you educate the public, i would rather get it again than hear you have it. god forbid you get the virus, need you healthy. mean too much to too many people. why is the irony being lost on the white house that exactly what they're doing now that they

should be doing, upping the testing and doing the tracing is exactly hat president is saying isn't necessary this country. >> beats me. i listen and urge everyone to listen to the public health leadership in the country. dr. tony fauci, dr. redfield of the cdc, listen to them carefully, they have the right track. it's clear opening the country is a balancing act. all the misery out there, financial, social, cultural, we need to start bringing that back, but if we do that too fast, too soon, too quickly, we'll get out of sync and there will be many, many more illnesses, only way to manage this in the middle road is for all of us to be careful what we do. social distancing is with us for the foreseeable future. six-foot rule, hand hygiene,

masks, people who are older with chronic underlying illnesses, take it easy, don't go out right away. mass gatherings, don't like those mass gatherings because the virus likes them too much, loves to spread in mass gatherings. take it easy. >> i hear you say take it easy, and i see you say listen to tony fauci. but anybody that wants to be played by brad pitt i discount in terms of credibility. fauci is out as far as i'm concerned and president says something else. schaffner, you're smart, not as smart as me. fauci, eh. what he says about vaccine or not. >> i feel about vaccines like i feel about tests, it's going to go away without a vaccine, not see it again. may have flare-ups next year but eventually it's going to be

gone. >> it's just going to go away, he says. like the flu goes away, except we need a vaccine every year for that and there's absolutely no basis in science for anything he just said. what is the message for people to hear after the most powerful man in the world just told them that? >> please, the coronavirus is not going away. it's hear, there are many people who are not infected, it's very contagious, it loves going from person to person. we need to be careful. and we need to keep working hard on both therapies for when you get sick as well as vaccines. in the meantime, what we can do right now to try to reduce the transmission of this virus, to make sure it doesn't go from one person to other or at least reduce the chance, is all that social distancing and wearing the mask. the mask is the new normal.

>> dr. snchaffner, thank you so much, you make it interesting and informative and i wish you a great weekend. >> stay healthy. >> you too. more important. i kind of love schaffner, wish he was my doctor but my doctor was godfather growing up and love him too. reason the president is telling you you don't need a vaccine, it's going away and testing is not what it's cracked up to be and there's a better way and this is not going to be a big deal. he wants to reopen and wants you to ignore the reality of the virus. that's why he's not into testing, says you don't really need a vaccine, why he flouts the mask. when it's his hiny on the line, everybody is getting tested every day and they're tracing

everybody. that's a concern a leader should have for whom they lead, not just themself. if you want to know what he thinks about the coronavirus, look at what they're doing in the white house right now, how he's treating himself and people around him who could get him sick. that's what you have to watch. lot of new details coming up and something else we need to watch, i blame myself for not putting your eyes on this sooner, case of ahmaud arbery, young black man shot dead more than two months ago, no police action, accused killer arrested just yesterday. two white men gave police an excuse for the killing that is very suspicious on the face of the video that the police have had from day one. what the police said today and what they should have been saying all along. next. it's best we stay apart for a bit,

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all right. more on coronavirus ahead. but we waited too long to get into a story that matters too much. and look, it's got to be about fairness under law. got to have facts come out, probably need a trial. you can't ignore it and can't ignore a situation where there's been no police action for months, all right? this is an obscene case in georgia, unarmed black jogger shot and killed. i call him a jogger because that's what he was, and is, from every apparent indication, from

all the facts as we know them to this point. now today the father and son who are facing murder charges made their first court appearance. demonstrators took to the streets across the country, many running 2.23 miles in celebration of what would have been ahmaud's 26th birthday because it happened february 23rd. arrests are appropriate for what we understand, probable cause seems to be low bar, get over it easily on the video alone. remember, stop spreading misinformation or stop believing it. if you're spreading it, i probably can't have an effect on you. police had this video from day one, wrote about it in their initial reports on this. it is not new to them. want to show it to you again. before i show it to you, police

say -- not me saying it, arbery family saying it, there were two confrontations between arbery and these guys in the car with the shot gun and the pistol, and the guy following them, before what you're about to see. factor it in. jogging down the street, twice he's confronted by these guys, now we're going to pick up how he's acting and what happens. okay? let's watch. you see him jogging? get the bottom third off. see him jogging. now they're trying to get him again. camerawork is not great, we only have what we have. now he runs around the truck that's already come to him twice, there's a man with a long

gun. they start a fight. brother -- father and son say he attacked them. look at what we know from this, okay? what did you see in ahmaud, first scene, what was he doing? running a steady gait down the middle of the street. going to see it here. this guy pulling up, will become of interest, why did you take this video, what was your role in this. see him? there's ahmaud. ask you something, just think, common sense, don't have to have 20 years of investigating these cases like me, legal background, just common sense, you're fleeing the scene of a crime, two white men have approached you twice, you're black, they have weapons, still jogging down the middle of the street?

is that what somebody does when fleeing the scene of a crime? jog down the middle of the street? no, it's what you do when you're intent on jogging and probably having some emotional state of shock from the fact these white guys keep coming up to you. but he kept jogging because that's what he was doing. reasonableness dictates if he was on the run, what do you do if guy pulls up and asks you about what you're trying to escape from, keep jogging? no, you break right, left, try to be evasive, that's what you do, especially when they have reason to do it. not here. remember police had this video, knew from investigating and talking to the guys they finally arrested 70-some days later, they came at the guy twice before this. he never ran away, dodged for a backyard, tried to escape. not until a guy came out with

long gun in his face. father and son say he attacked us. what do you do, guys that intent on talking to you jump out of a truck with long gun in your face, let alone injecting race into this? martin savage has been on this story and exposed something that can't be underestimated, which is the police had the video, there's all of this talk online in defense of the process here, well it's new information to all of us. not to them. you were at the demonstrations today, tell us about the state, martin, and thanks for the information and insight. >> reporter: absolutely. demonstrations today were largest we've seen in support of ahmaud arbery and his family. hundreds of people gathered in front of the glen county courthouse, had been planned before the arrest had been taken

place and went forward after the arrests had been made and the crowd was still frustrated. as one of the speakers said, not a celebration, just step one on very long road of trying to even start the process of justice. many people very upset with the previous d.a.s, asking them to be resigned, fired or ejected from office and believe what has happened here has been by the gbi. yes you must make arrests whereas the local investigators, glen county police department for over two months couldn't decide whether they should do anything. there's still a great deal of anger and frustration. >> that's what happens when innocent man is shot dead on the street and nothing happens for

months. i know you understand that, martin, you've been bringing truth and light to this. georgia bureau of investigation. local authorities were taken out of the mix and replaced by the state authorities. said today the video is important piece of evidence. we don't need them for that. what else did they say? >> reporter: they pointed out that the investigation had been done almost completely by local authorities. they only interviewed a few more people in the neighborhood. what they really did, they went through all the documents, the evidence, the material that local law enforcement had, including the video, which by the way, head of the gbi who i asked directly when did local authorities have it, he said the day of the incident they had that video. what's so amazing that you learn, local law enforcement came up with a completely different take on that evidence than what the gbi officers by

the end of their first day knew that they had to go to a judge to get arrest warrant for the father and son. >> another key aspect of this is going to be the basis of the defendant's attention here, which they say a series of burglaries for which this man fit the description -- what can you tell us about burglaries in the area, knowledge of the same and description of potential assailant? >> reporter: gregly are mcmich, former law enforcement, first thing he begins telling the officers after they arrive after horrific shooting, says they were in hot pursuit of the suspect because of a series of break-ins in the neighborhood. this is a perception even some callers to 911 had said, so we went looking into the police records to find the reports

about all the break-ins. you don't find them. there's one reported theft that occurred on new year's day, a gun taken out of an unlocked pickup, that belonged by the way to the mcmichaels. so when you hear this depiction there was this sense this was a neighborhood victimized by crime time and time again, simply isn't verified by police records or reports. >> and arbery had no weapon on him, right? >> no, he did not, no. >> martin, thank you very much. one other question, any idea yet -- i know the charges, georgia is one of four states without hate crime laws, anything like that is taken into consideration only in sentencing. they were struck down in 2004 there i think by the supreme court as being

unconstitutionally vague. have been efforts to pass them since, hasn't happened. what does this mean in terms of how the case is viewed by the state? >> reporter: many people outside the state of georgia heard the gbi question about the hate crime thing, director said we don't have hate crime in the state of georgia, if you were in other states that do, you were probably flabbergasted. georgia, arkansas, south carolina, and one other state -- wyoming. does not. recounted the history here, many ask why the georgia legislature can't seem to pass it again, some speculation because georgia is conservative state, some don't want to give protections to lgbtq community. i don't know how truthful that is, one of the last attempts to get hate crime back on the books in georgia was started by republican. it's clear we don't have such a

law, would have been extra years tagged on to sentence once a conviction was derived. >> martin, again, thank you for opening the aperture of our understanding on this. this is one of those stories that's going to be completely infected by false narratives to justify all kinds of agendas. thank you for making the record so clear so early. thank you very much. >> reporter: my pleasure, thanks. >> martin told you today would have been ahmaud arbery's 26th birthday. want you to hear from his father and his father's attorney ahead about what this means to them that it took this course, and what his son meant to him. that's why you have to hear about these cases. also coming up, silicon veil giants like google and apple

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contact tracing, very important. seeing it play out in the white house right now. when somebody tests positive you have to know who else they might have infected, or who may have infected them. it's key how you get through any pandemic, it's key to allowing us to open up safely so that you can have the confidence that you could go out and buy and shop and eat and work and live and enjoy with a peace of mind. so we need more testing, but we also need this companion part you hear very little about, and really that's because it's even harder than testing, more expensive, takes a lot of

manpower and time. with more than a million cases in the united states already, it's going to be a tall order, but there is cause for hope. we already know how to do this. we contact trace for hiv and ebola. joining us now an expert on tracing, david harvey, executive director of the national coalition of std directors. thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you, chris, great to be with you. >> do you accept the premise, testing yes, but tracing just as much but not discussed as much because lot of money and manpower and scary to those not in the business of wanting it in the first place? >> yes. we've had a lot of discussion about testing and so far the discussion of contact tracing has been very clinical. hope we can humanize this a bit. this is something we've done a lot of in the united states and

have long track record of doing with other infectious diseases. we need to know what we already know how to put to work for covid. >> the question becomes what is the point of resistance, feds not going to do this, up to the state, every state says we don't have manpower or money to get manpower to do the tracing. what are we missing? >> federal money, for one. but ab sent that happening in the next stimulus bill, we know that states are moving forward on their own. today a coverage was issued by national public radio that showed states moving forward to hire 66,000 contact tracers entry level. not enough to do the job. congress needs to allocate $8 billion, what the community is asking for, to cdc to be allocated to states and local communities for this function.

we think that figure should support about 100,000 contact tracers supervised by a more advanced contact tracer, disease intervention specialists, funded and supported out of the std program out of cdc. >> help me understand as one of the uninitiated. just hear huge numbers and money and i don't know what happens. take me through how it works in community that wants to reopen. going to reopen businesses and do things, how does testing and tracing work together to make me feel i can go out and enjoy myself with relative safety? >> first thing i want people to know is that these are do-gooders. people who come from the community, have a lot of love from the community and want to help and support people. if you get a positive test for covid or think you've been

exposed or been informed you're a presumptive positive, you may get a call from a health worker who works for the health department. a function that's vested with health departments. new york city health department is one of the leaders in the world in doing this work. when that call gets made, people are experts at understanding how to reach people. i liken it to almost social work, people trained in crisis counseling. purpose is inform people, help them understand what's going on with their health, how to navigate the health care system, what needs to be done to isolate if necessary, and to identify people that they've had %-p within the health department is that there's laws, regs, specific rules about

confidentiality, and of course we need to count what's going on around the country. health departments have this very well organized. also want to comment on the fact that cultural competence, cultural humility rather is a very important function of what this work force does. we know covid disproportionately ipacted african-americans and latinos. contact tracers need to come from those communities. our existing work force comes from those communities, know how to work with local communities. >> tech versus face-to-face. >> tech versus face-to-face. there's an been awful lot of talk about this, i've been asked a lot about this. google and apple and lot of other companies by the way that

have technology platforms that support the work of contact tracers in dis. smaller numbers, checks out, miter. it's a component of the work, not the whole thing. nothing is going to replace building a trusting relationship with communities that often don't trust government systems like the health department. and that has to be done in a phone-to-phone contact or ideally person-to-person contact. with social distancing, way this is working right now, largely over the phone and through other social media platforms. but one day we will go back to face-to-face contact with appropriate personal protective equipment, and do this work. but for the moment it's done over the phone largely. >> what does it mean in terms of the efficacy of tracing that one of the aspects of this particular covid is that they are spreading but they don't

know it because asymptomatic? >> right. this is the facts and science of covid that people need to be tutored and educated about. that's one thing that contact tracers do. asymptomatic infection is biggest challenge we're facing as a country, right? having this work force who understands the science of what's going on here and can help educate and support people and counsel people is what we desperately need. that is not a cheap proposition, as i said. congress needs to get off and allocate the money to the krbd and we need the krcdc to step u. there are excellent resources that krecdc has issued in this a but don't yet have a unified national strategy to guide states and communities.

hoping that cdc will issue it very soon. >> may issue it within the cdc, question is will it become part of public policy. saw what happened with the reopening guidelines, white house is very determined to make people think this is going away even though there's no data to show that. that's why i wanted you on, people to understand reality makes a difference and truth will get us through this, not hopes and dreams. thanks for making it understandable, even to pumpkin head like me. >> thank you, chris, good to see you looking well. >> appreciate the good work, god bless, stay healthy. >> thank you. actor sean penn is working in a way i have seen nobody else in this society doing on independent level. of course has a big organization, raising money, all kinds of things.

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hey, everybody, i'm chris cuomo, welcome back to "prime time," this is you're regular time, we did 8:00 and second hour, regular hour. why should anything be clear? everything is confusing. president should be more worried about this virus, and i argue to you he's more worried than he's telling us. look how he's reacting to it being in the white house. it's not just one case but two among white house staffers. today he revealed that the vice president's press secretary has it. woman without the mask in the picture in front of your face, wife of stephen miller, one of his